9S Glam

I don't know if this has been asked before, but how come we didn't get a 9S glam?
We got his hair and minion but not the glam, which I wanted since the first nier raid.

Is it because no one requested it, or something else?
It's really upsetting.

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Originally Posted by Luminare

I don't know if this has been asked before, but how come we didn't get a 9S glam?
We got his hair and minion but not the glam, which I wanted since the first nier raid.

Is it because no one requested it, or something else?
It's really upsetting.

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There's an armor set in Copied Factory that closely resembles 9S' outfit. There's only 2 caveats though: 1. It's just the one armor set so it's job-locked and 2. only shows up like 9S' outfit on male characters.

Apparently the development team forgot that there's a sizeable portion of players in this game who don't care for 2B, let alone the idea of dressing up as her.

It's a shame, since it isn't as if the Nier and Drakengard games are lacking in male characters to base glamour off of but it just didn't seem to be a priority for some bizarre reason.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

There's an armor set in Copied Factory that closely resembles 9S' outfit. There's only 2 caveats though: 1. It's just the one armor set so it's job-locked and 2. only shows up like 9S' outfit on male characters.

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The female set in copied factory also closely resembles 2B’s outfit though....I've seen the excuse a lot by people of, "oh the copied factory set looks kinda like his so thats why they didnt give it." Going by that logic we shouldn't have gotten the 2b coffer since her gear is also the copied factory gear.

This is my biggest complaint of the entire Nier raid series tbh. Doesn’t fit in with 14 lore? That’s fine i can overlook that. What i can’t overlook is them giving us a feminine outfit and not giving us a male equivalent to it. This entire raid series has just felt like they're pushing all the female stuff from nier and not giving us what little of the male stuff there is. Even the final raid gear, some of it looks very feminine. We couldn't have gotten Adam's outfit or something? All i wanted was the 9S glam and they couldn’t even deliver on that :p

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Apparently the development team forgot that there's a sizeable portion of players in this game who don't care for 2B, let alone the idea of dressing up as her.

It's a shame, since it isn't as if the Nier and Drakengard games are lacking in male characters to base glamour off of but it just didn't seem to be a priority for some bizarre reason.

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Well the fact is, if you search Nier Automata on google pictures, you mostly get 2B, 1A comes to second and 9s is barely visible.
That is just how thing is.

Really wish they would stop with gender-locking, including different variants between male and female.

When i get a pair of pants, i expect a pair of pants. Not a gods damned skirt.

"But development time!" The only notable change they got to make to armor between the sexes is a bikini for bare chested ones, that's all.
"But what about small adjustments to make the armor look good on all races!" What adjustments? Look at a piece of armor when equipped on a huyr male and then a miqote or aura female, especially armor with shoulder-pads. Notice anything peculiar? Oversized and floating shoulder-pads.

Oh and more skirts for males! Plenty of robes and half-robes but very few skirts...

One do have to remember though that to unlock a gender-locked gearpiece is that the skeletons between male and female can vary and that has to be taken into consideration due to potentional clipping and pixel being streched out.
I know this is a very picky example. But seeing how SE has already stated as of why they don't, as an example, want to add a bigger butt option (yes, that has been a big topic for a long time) is due to streching.
Not sure if that's the only reason. But it is the one they brought up afaik.
And new hair (viera comes in mind) they've also mentioned clipping as a major issue as of why it's taking so long.
So just looking at those statements about other things I can almost certainly bet that would be a reason why making more gear unisex an issue.

They managed to do it for 2b. But screw male characters then right? Instead of maybe just waiting until final raid so they had time to do both they gave us one and then said screw you.

I understand being disappointed, but the way I see it the 2B outfit itself was an extra bonus outside the scope of what alliance raids normally give anyway. So a lot of the complaining to me comes across as 'why didn't we get a SECOND bonus glamour set outside the scope of what alliance raids have ever given in past expansions?'

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

They managed to do it for 2b. But screw male characters then right? Instead of maybe just waiting until final raid so they had time to do both they gave us one and then said screw you.

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Why would waiting for the final raid have helped anything or freed up art resources to somehow get in another outfit?

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I understand being disappointed, but the way I see it the 2B outfit itself was an extra bonus outside the scope of what alliance raids normally give anyway. So a lot of the complaining to me comes across as 'why didn't we get a SECOND bonus glamour set outside the scope of what alliance raids have ever given in past expansions?'



Why would waiting for the final raid have helped anything or freed up art resources to somehow get in another outfit?

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Then why bother giving us a 9S hairstyle?
9S appeared in the questline even before 2B, but for some reason we got Devola & Popola outfits and they didn't even appear, yet not his.

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Originally Posted by Luminare

Then why bother giving us a 9S hairstyle?
9S appeared in the questline even before 2B, but for some reason we got Devola & Popola outfits and they didn't even appear, yet not his.

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Say it louder for the people in the back. We still got popola and devola which to my knowledge, are both female. And the glams themselves i don’t think are even changed much between the male and female versions. What’s not fair imo is that we have, multiple female designed outfits in the nier raids, on top of most of the hairstyles this expansion being feminine/androgynous. It’s just a constant “screw you” to male characters. The first raid is literally 9s themed yet we get a 2b coffer... I mean it’s not a secret that nier is very feminine themed, but i was still hoping they’d give male characters something especially considering Yoshi himself said we’d get what we asked for :p Probably shouldn’t have said something like that.

With a little creativity you can make your own 9S glam with existing gear, and no not just the things that come from the nier raid. :)

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Originally Posted by TroySoFab

With a little creativity you can make your own 9S glam with existing gear, and no not just the things that come from the nier raid. :)

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The point is though, we should’ve gotten a 9s glam. It isn’t fair that the female characters keep constantly getting things suited for them, and the males have to work with scraps. It’s constantly been like this throughout this expansion and it’s ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Apparently the development team forgot that there's a sizeable portion of players in this game who don't care for 2B, let alone the idea of dressing up as her.

It's a shame, since it isn't as if the Nier and Drakengard games are lacking in male characters to base glamour off of but it just didn't seem to be a priority for some bizarre reason.

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Collab only happened becuase people thirst for 2b

Because a lot of ppl wanted to wear a dress as a male. Ppl who maybe don't even play or keep their male character.
Even if the 2b outfit hapened because ppl loved 2b, adapting the outfit takes time and work. 9S outfit was already in the game, why not put that same time and work on 9S outfit instead of 2B outfit for the males?
Because the males players who enjoy playing masculine characters are the minority?

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

Because the males players who enjoy playing masculine characters are the minority?

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Not in the slightest. Though the development team take a lot of their feedback from the likes of Reddit and Twitter - both of which are echo chambers that make some things seem more popular than they actually are.

An excellent example of that is female roegadyn. They're widely praised and made to seem like the best thing ever, but so few people actually play them in-game.

I've been advocating for more masculine glamour/hairstyles for years at this point. Sadly, many businesses have become obsessed with what I refer to as 'visible pandering'. Despite a lot of gay men, myself included, just wanting to see some conventionally attractive customisation options added to the game it has become very common for the development team to just piece together overly feminine/androgynous hairstyles and brand them 'unisex' despite being obviously geared towards feminine characters as a priority.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I've been advocating for more masculine glamour/hairstyles for years at this point. Sadly, many businesses have become obsessed with what I refer to as 'visible pandering'. Despite a lot of gay men, myself included, just wanting to see some conventionally attractive customisation options added to the game it has become very common for the development team to just piece together overly feminine/androgynous hairstyles and brand them 'unisex' despite being obviously geared towards feminine characters as a priority.

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Thank you. Someone had to say it.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The point is though, we should’ve gotten a 9s glam. It isn’t fair that the female characters keep constantly getting things suited for them, and the males have to work with scraps. It’s constantly been like this throughout this expansion and it’s ridiculous.

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What are you looking at when you say that, and what are you overlooking?

The NieR collaboration has given an assortment of male-specific jackets and unisex-masculine coats, including the requested 9S cosplay or something close to it. The Crystarium aiming/scouting sets as well. Edenmete trenchcoats? Bozja gear?

Even the hairstyles aren't entirely feminine. The one free style we've gotten all expansion is masculine, while the feminine ones all cost time or gil (while male characters can benefit if they're the lucky winner who doesn't want it). Then there's the Wind Caller style from Bozja and two of the three Ishgardian styles were finishing off the male winners of the hairstyle competition, even if they do look more "boyish" than "manly". And 9S's style as well.

At least part of the ongoing complaint about lack of anything for male characters come down to a mismatch in what the creators see as the divide between styles versus what the individual players are after. It's not the same thing as them actually never releasing anything.

They probably had to save some cosmetics for the new NieR raids in 7.X..............(@SE: please don't...)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Even the hairstyles aren't entirely feminine. The one free style we've gotten all expansion is masculine, while the feminine ones all cost time or gil (while male characters can benefit if they're the lucky winner who doesn't want it). Then there's the Wind Caller style from Bozja and two of the three Ishgardian styles were finishing off the male winners of the hairstyle competition, even if they do look more "boyish" than "manly". And 9S's style as well.

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The one free hairstyle is the one new male hairstyle we've had this expansion. The 9S hairstyle is nearly identical to another we already had. The hairstyle content hair, I hate to say, are all feminine. No male styles came from it. At least, though, we've finally made it through all those winners and hopefully we can get something other than a pony tail with some kind of braids.

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Originally Posted by Luminare

I don't know if this has been asked before, but how come we didn't get a 9S glam?
We got his hair and minion but not the glam, which I wanted since the first nier raid.

Is it because no one requested it, or something else?
It's really upsetting.

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Just in case :
Ok Google : 9S Glam FFXIV

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Originally Posted by wereotter

The hairstyle content hair, I hate to say, are all feminine. No male styles came from it.

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As I said, there's the Wind Caller style (Lyon's hair) from Bozja which is definitely masculine despite being long. So is Misija's hair - it doesn't even look androgynous to me. It is distinctly a male character's hairstyle even if it's more "anime protagonist" than "manly man".

As I said, it's partly your perception of what counts as a "male hairstyle". Yours is evidently not mine, and mine seems closer to whoever is making the decisions.

I agree there's an imbalance but it's not all-versus-nothing.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

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Oh i know, it's not like see a lot of male characters with the new haircut on Chaos or the delubrum haircut as well. I won't be surprised if it's the same on other data centers.

Many outfits/haircuts described as "too masculine" look great on girls (even if they don't like it, it's not ridiculous), yet feminine outfits make males look REALLY goofy if you are not into that.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

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The lastest raid has male specific outfits, but female specific outfits as well. And the "unisex-masculine coats" are litterally coats without feminine stuff on it. Does that make it masculine ? Imo it was more unisex.
Isn't the 9S cosplay for healers only outside of the haircut? Then why 2B outfits isnt just for sam/mnk ?

The one free hairstyle we got was unisex as well (it's just a short haircut lol).
For the Ishgardian hairstyle everything is actually closer to unisex lol looks great on both genders, sure it's short but doesnt look bad on girls.
Wind Caller is masculine, i agree and shouldn't have been used as a unisex haircut but there's 2 more feminine haircuts from bojza.
2B/9S haircuts had good balance since it was released at the same time. Without counting them males got 1 masculine "unisex" haircut and females got 2 feminine "unisex" haircuts in shadowbringers. It doesnt look like a lot but if you watch stormblood haircuts it's the same thing and it's just adds up with older haircuts.

Short and not girly stuff =/= masculine. Something boyish is closer to unisex and that's why it's called that way imo, because boys have always a more androgynous look.

Very masculine girl right there : https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...048159eeb2.jpg

Like you said it's not like they gave zero things to males, but it's clear that there's more things for females imo.

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Originally Posted by Naoki34

Just in case :
Ok Google : 9S Glam FFXIV

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Ppl wanted the real 9S outfit (that is already in the game), not something close to it.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

The lastest raid has male specific outfits, but female specific outfits as well. And the "unisex-masculine coats" are litterally coats without feminine stuff on it. Does that make it masculine ? Imo it was more unisex.

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And here, I think, is where we run into the "it's all unisex not masculine" argument, because I don't know how this can be resolved.

By your logic, if something is plain it is unisex.

If you add frills and ribbons to it, it becomes feminine and unsuitable for male characters.

So what creates the reverse effect? What can you add to make it so masculine that a female character couldn't wear it?

I honestly don't know if there is anything you can do there unless you can wind people's mindsets back to the era where only men wore pants and women wore skirts - and they would probably be even more inclined to class the plain outfit as masculine because unisex isn't a concept.

This is a society-wide thing, not an FFXIV thing. Women can get away with wearing men's clothes much more easily than men can get away with wearing women's clothes, without being socially labelled as odd or even identified as wearing the "wrong clothes".

The game maybe increases it because the real-world clues of exact style and fit that might tell you a woman is wearing clothes shaped for a man's body aren't there. In-game the outfit becomes more feminine on a female character because it is sized to fit them. So the question comes to clothing style alone, and the markers don't really exist.

Simply enough, "unisex" isn't a third shared type of clothing besides masculine and feminine, but women taking over the male half of a once-binary concept.


TL;DR: Women can wear plain things and frilly things, pants and skirts without being labelled "unfeminine". Men cannot wear frilly things and skirts without being labelled "unmasculine". This is not a problem of FFXIV's making.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

Wind Caller is masculine, i agree and shouldn't have been used as a unisex haircut

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Whatever you think of their theoretical balance between male and female styles, the solution is not functional genderlocking. It's not any less of a masculine hairstyle because female characters are allowed to equip it.

Conversely, there's no reason the feminine styles should be locked to female characters. If I can get something long and fancy to work well on my male characters, I'd be all for using it.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

What are you looking at when you say that, and what are you overlooking?

The NieR collaboration has given an assortment of male-specific jackets and unisex-masculine coats, including the requested 9S cosplay or something close to it. The Crystarium aiming/scouting sets as well. Edenmete trenchcoats? Bozja gear?

Even the hairstyles aren't entirely feminine. The one free style we've gotten all expansion is masculine, while the feminine ones all cost time or gil (while male characters can benefit if they're the lucky winner who doesn't want it). Then there's the Wind Caller style from Bozja and two of the three Ishgardian styles were finishing off the male winners of the hairstyle competition, even if they do look more "boyish" than "manly". And 9S's style as well.

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So going by this logic, then 2b shouldn’t have gotten a glam coffer because the copied factory gear for females is something close to it. Keep in mind it’s all role locked. This entire raid has been female themed between the bosses and the things given from it. The little bit of male representation that i know of in the series barely even made an appearance and they couldn’t do the least and give us a 9s coffer for balance? Let’s look at the eden healing gear, the crafted healing gear. The nier raid healing gear. As for Bozja gear? Literally 3 sets are a FEMALE OUTFIT LMAO. As for the hairstyles, we’ve gotten numerous hair that’s literally just either braids or bows or androgynous filled-esque hair. In comparison to the male styles released there is a very evident imbalance. Funny how all these people seem to just be saying, "oh you can make your own." Yet i guarantee if it was the other way around and they gave 9s instead of 2b, y'all thirsty people would be raging hard.

Look, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have gotten the 9S outfit as an all-class glamour, but at least male characters get some chance to wear it. Female characters do not.

I guess I'm just in the mindset that if something is class-locked and I want to wear it, I wear it for that class. I don't have "all-purpose glamours" to apply to any job, but make individual outfits for each one.

And I am very definitely not "thirsty for 2B". I dislike her outfit and I dislike all the Type-51 dresses and the weird effect they have on my character's proportions.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Let’s look at the eden healing gear, the crafted healing gear. The nier raid healing gear. As for Bozja gear? Literally 3 sets are a FEMALE OUTFIT LMAO.

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Eden? You have a point, particularly with the first one, though personally I want the other two for my male Miqo'te who looks good (not feminine) in robes.

Crafted sets? You've got the Facet (Diabolic) set which is very definitely based on Victorian/elegant-gothic men's wear; the gender-separated steampunk Neo-Ishgardian gear, and the Exarchic set which is the only one that I'd say is feminine (and even then it's a bit of a weird design all round).

For Bozja, I was thinking specifically of the Bozjan gear when I said that.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Look, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have gotten the 9S outfit as an all-class glamour, but at least male characters get some chance to wear it. Female characters do not.

I guess I'm just in the mindset that if something is class-locked and I want to wear it, I wear it for that class. I don't have "all-purpose glamours" to apply to any job, but make individual outfits for each one.

And I am very definitely not "thirsty for 2B". I dislike her outfit and I dislike all the Type-51 dresses and the weird effect they have on my character's proportions.




Eden? You have a point, particularly with the first one, though personally I want the other two for my male Miqo'te who looks good (not feminine) in robes.

Crafted sets? You've got the Facet (Diabolic) set which is very definitely based on Victorian/elegant-gothic men's wear; the gender-separated steampunk Neo-Ishgardian gear, and the Exarchic set which is the only one that I'd say is feminine (and even then it's a bit of a weird design all round).

For Bozja, I was thinking specifically of the Bozjan gear when I said that.

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Exarchic was the main one i was talking about. The thirsty wasn’t applied to you mainly just an overall thing(they literally added the butt thing for fanservice cmon.) My main point is though, again i point to the new Zadnor sets. Where literally 3 out of the (6?7?) sets are literal female gear just put on a male character. I don’t think they even altered it in any way. There is constant pandering to female characters and again, the males are given literal scraps. Mainly because i’d assume female characters are more prominent in the game, so they just try to appease them more. Instead of take time to properly alter certain glams so it suits both males and females, we’re just left with really weird either inherently feminine or androgynous gear/hair.
https://imgur.com/dFUrtdj case and point

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Originally Posted by Iscah

As I said, there's the Wind Caller style (Lyon's hair) from Bozja which is definitely masculine despite being long. So is Misija's hair - it doesn't even look androgynous to me. It is distinctly a male character's hairstyle even if it's more "anime protagonist" than "manly man".

As I said, it's partly your perception of what counts as a "male hairstyle". Yours is evidently not mine, and mine seems closer to whoever is making the decisions.

I agree there's an imbalance but it's not all-versus-nothing.

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Warrior of Light haircut I think I thought was part of last expansion, so that's a fair callout. However if we're counting Lyon's hair... I didn't get it myself so I didn't realize it was obtainable, but even then, based off his character model, it's another copy-paste of King's/Gladio's hairstyles we already had + bandanna. I know there's a lot more limits on what can be done with masculine hairstyles, but there's still a lot more that could be made but aren't.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

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well it's : "It's not unisex, it's masculine. Look boys use it." VS "lol no it's unisex, girls use it as well and it looks great".

It's easier to make something unisex if it's plain.

If you add frills and ribbons on a unisex outfit to make it masculine it will end up different than adding frills and ribbons to make it feminine.

you can and a lot of girls will think it looks goofy on females, because it's not adapted for a female body.

It's a scociety thing and i never said FFXIV has to resolve that. Trying to satisfy ppl who want more masculine things is a bad thing ? I mean ppl here ask for this "If you make a unisex look, don't choose something that look goofy on the males plz". The easy way to make that is to avoid braids, cute ribbons etc.

Instead of making this for the males (look at the poor highlander lmao) : https://ffxivcollect.com/hairstyles/419
Do you really think it males wouldn't look better with something like that ? : https://i2.wp.com/66.media.tumblr.co...e00o1_1280.png
Or this ? : https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dg...20190929111413
And Estinien already has something close right? It's already better, but i don't think it would look that great on a male roe and highlander :s

Men can wear frilly things and skirts but you won't take a feminine outfit/haircut copy paste it on a male without changing anything and see most many straight males think it look super cool (and gay guys here won't like it) and rush to get it, complain about the drop rates etc... xD

Edit: I call something "unisex", when it looks great on both genders (no matter what you are into). Not trying to push a concept, it's easier to make my point like that.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Whatever you think of their theoretical balance between male and female styles, the solution is not functional genderlocking. It's not any less of a masculine hairstyle because female characters are allowed to equip it.

Conversely, there's no reason the feminine styles should be locked to female characters. If I can get something long and fancy to work well on my male characters, I'd be all for using it.

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I think genderlocking is a good solution, if there's not enough time to make 1 feminine and 1 masculine option for everyone: make something that looks decent on every race and gender.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

My main point is though, again i point to the new Zadnor sets. Where literally 3 out of the (6?7?) sets are literal female gear just put on a male character. I don’t think they even altered it in any way.

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Part 3 gear:

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/fc...74fbf20_20.png

"3 out of 7" is kind of dramatic when it's 1 out of 3 actual designs.

The male version of the DPS gear does get different shorts and the contrast colour piece on the chest is cut differently, and in any case I think character-based outfits make sense to stick close to the character over adapting it.

I do agree they're not always good at making male versions of designs and they miss some chances for really nice things.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Instead of take time to properly alter certain glams so it suits both males and females, we’re just left with really weird either inherently feminine or androgynous gear/hair.
https://imgur.com/dFUrtdj case and point

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(Case in point actually, but anyway.)

That's something I find a problem for both genders. I don't like the braids and flyaway bits they keep sticking on the designs either.

I do want to argue "androgynous" though because that specifically implies to me that it looks feminine on a man and masculine on a woman, which is true for some of the designs they bring out, but they also have unisex styles that look like they belong on either gender, and that doesn't make them "not masculine" just because they also look good on women.

I think it comes back to the same problem of women simply having a larger variety of styles considered gender-appropriate for them. They can have short boyish hair but a man can't have long hair in pigtails. The window of "things too masculine to suit a female character" is far far smaller than "things too feminine to suit a male character".

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

It's easier to make something unisex if it's plain.

If you add frills and ribbons on a unisex outfit to make it masculine it will end up different than adding frills and ribbons to make it feminine.

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That's my point. You can't add frills and ribbons to make it masculine, so what do you add instead?

How do you turn a thing from "plain so it's unisex" to "obviously this can only be for men"?

I don't think you can, and I would honestly love to know the answer if there is something.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

I think genderlocking is a good solution, if there's not enough time to make 1 feminine and 1 masculine option for everyone: make something that looks decent on every race and gender.

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If they have time to make one feminine and one masculine style, great. They can still make both of those styles available to everyone.

If not, the goal of "making every style look great on every race and gender" is exactly how we get mired in nothing but "unisex" styles that are short for women and longish for men and not really satisfying anyone when they just keep coming out with minor variations of the same thing.

The designs should alternate between masculine and feminine (and maybe some things with specific races in mind), but the actual equippability should always be for everyone. If you don't like feminine styles being available to you, you don't need to use them, but it's not offensive that they make it available to you in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

I think genderlocking is a good solution, if there's not enough time to make 1 feminine and 1 masculine option for everyone: make something that looks decent on every race and gender.

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I agree 100%.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Part 3 gear:

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/fc...74fbf20_20.png

The designs should alternate between masculine and feminine (and maybe some things with specific races in mind), but the actual equippability should always be for everyone. If you don't like feminine styles being available to you, you don't need to use them, but it's not offensive that they make it available to you in the first place.

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Heavily disagree with this. It’s reasons like this why males barely get anything. The devs spend time trying to make outfits sized and fit for non genderlocked gear(they’ve done it this expansion, aka the expansion where males have been hit the hardest) trying to take off genderlocked gear on certain pieces, taking time away from things we could’ve gotten, like 9S glam to tie it back into this. When it’s taking time away from an entire group of people, then yes it offends me. I’m tired of seeing constant glams be female geared. Of course, you playing a female character may disagree, but it’s easy for you to do so.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

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I admit it's difficult.
A good example is this : https://pro2-bar-s3-cdn-cf4.myportfo...1789f04909434f
You can't tell me that it wasn't done for a male roe or highlander 1rst. Females can wear it, but a lot of players won't like it. Just like male can wear dresses, but a lot of player don't enjoy it.
And sometimes the adjustments made for female are done for nudity reasons. I'm sure a lot ppl wouldn't mind to see females wearing the exact same thing as this : https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...0f19058426.jpg

Females can look good with almost everything in game, it's really rare to see something that looks as goofy as a male roe with the latest haircut. Even if some dissagree, how many players who play male actually wear it or even tried it ? Most of them would gladly exange for something else.

They are already "alternating" between masculine and feminine, result: bozja got 1 masculine hair + 2 very feminine hair. 1 of the 2 feminine hair could have been androgynous, the last one was easy to change or find something close lmao.

Girls wanted long hair ? Males too you know ? xD here you go :
https://s11.favim.com/orig/7/759/759...om-7590204.png
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/to...path-prefix=fr
males will 100% hate this : https://pm1.narvii.com/5679/dfebe42e...7c997be_hq.jpg
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/answ...es_332_219.jpg
No way females can like thoose.
Solutions exist to make both parts happy but some ppl really want their long braids on shoulder, cute ribbons, cute curly hair etc... Even if males get shit on at the same time.
Even if some don't like short "boyish" hair, they don't look horrible with it. That's why some ppl here like me are unhappy, cute "anime little sister" hair really looks awful on males. Without any alternative it doesnt have to go that far.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

Even if some don't like short "boyish" hair, they don't look horrible with it. That's why some ppl here like me are unhappy, cute "anime little sister" hair really looks awful on males. Without any alternative it doesnt have to go that far.

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That is my point.

They could do a 50/50 perfect balance between masculine and feminine styles, and female characters would still have a much higher chance of looking good in the masculine styles than male characters would in the feminine styles.

That's still not a reason to arbitrarily limit those styles to only being worn by the designated gender so you can feel like you're getting something that female characters can't have.

It will look unbalanced, but the alternative is petty.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

so you can feel like you're getting something that female characters can't have.

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I don't guive a fuck about that and everyone else in this thread imo ^^'
We just don't want to avoid haircuts that look great on females, then 100% shitty if you play a masculine male character (when there's only 1 new haircut). "everything for everyone" works better for feminine characters only. I'm okay with having 1 less options that feminine characters when 2 haircuts are released at the same time, at least 1 is better than zero.
And genderlocking is just better for us no matter what sadly.

It doesn't help that there's been requests for years for character customisation to be expanded to allow for more facial hair options and tattoos. Both of which could easily be added as a glamour if, for whatever reason, the customisation options cannot be altered directly outside of allowing for new hairstyles.

Meanwhile, each new patch adds flowers as hair adornments - which, again, are primarily aimed at female characters.

I think there's a lot more that could be done in regards to making the game feel a little less like it is treating male characters as second class citizens, personally. Especially when on a global level the gender split is roughly 50/50 when it comes to player characters.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

I don't guive a fuck about that and everyone else in this thread imo ^^'
We just don't want to avoid haircuts that look great on females, then 100% shitty if you play a masculine male character (when there's only 1 new haircut). "everything for everyone" works better for feminine characters only. I'm okay with having 1 less options that feminine characters when 2 haircuts are released at the same time, at least 1 is better than zero.
And genderlocking is just better for us no matter what sadly.

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But genderlocking will not give you that.

Balanced release of hairstyles is what will give you that. Regardless of who can then equip them.

The bulk of the work goes into making the model in the first place, not fitting it to character heads.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Meanwhile, each new patch adds flowers as hair adornments - which, again, are primarily aimed at female characters.

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It comes back to that "plain is unisex" problem, and what sort of accessory for men they could balance it with that can't possibly appeal to women as well.

They want to provide recipes crafted from grown flowers, so what male-targeted thing could they do with that?

What could we grow in pots other than flowers that men might want to equip?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

But genderlocking will not give you that.

Balanced release of hairstyles is what will give you that. Regardless of who can then equip them.

The bulk of the work goes into making the model in the first place, not fitting it to character heads.

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I don't see why it's impossible (they did it before) and like i said it's really the worst case.

Balanced release can work as well, but a lot of players who want a classic masculine characters just don't believe in it. I saw no male character in game with any new unlocked feminine hairstyles so far, almost the same with older ones from stormblood. Meanwile i saw a lot of females using the boyish haircuts. Where are the guys who are supposed to like all the feminine haircuts ? 2 years and i barely see any. Am i the only one ? And then unlocking is better ? I just don't believe it for now...

People playing female characters suggest a specific thing, the development team generally work to add that thing to the game. In some cases - such as with Edda Blackblossom's outfit - Yoshi-P even expressed enthusiasm about adding it. I believe that is also gender locked? Not that I'd use it, but still...

Meanwhile, when someone requests something for male characters, no matter how popular the request is the reaction is lukewarm. Yoshi-P expressed surprise that people wanted facial hair as an option for character customisation. A strange reaction given that efforts were made to make the in-game footage of the Warrior of Darkness sport stubble.