Party Finder RMT selling clears and items

Please add a right click > Report RMT to the party finder. It's getting out of hand and just completely cluttering up the party finder with garbage.

It's unfortunate but SE could really help themselves out by maybe just employing a few staff solely to police things like the party finder whilst being invisible by the Aetheryte in Limsa thus catching out numerous RMT spammers also. It would not cost a lot and probably would save money in the long term as the team who do the mass banning would have less investigation to do so can ban more.

Or you know they could like update the word filtering system to catch out the phrases they use.

Just to be clear, we're talking about ones asking you to spend real money right? and not the many parties asking for gil in return for clears?

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Originally Posted by Shadotterdan

Just to be clear, we're talking about ones asking you to spend real money right? and not the many parties asking for gil in return for clears?

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Well, considering none of them tell you in game what they are charging, might as well all be RMT.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Well, considering none of them tell you in game what they are charging, might as well all be RMT.

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That's the problem right there - can't report someone for RMT just based on a hunch.

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Originally Posted by Shadotterdan

Just to be clear, we're talking about ones asking you to spend real money right? and not the many parties asking for gil in return for clears?

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Anyone mislabeling to get their stupid ad at the top should be reported. I don't care if they're selling or not. If they are using the Expert Tag and are not looking for a group to do Expert with, that should be a reportable offense where the person is booted from using Party Finder. I'm not even asking for disciplinary action, just Party Finder bans of appropriate length depending on how many reports the person has earned in a day, week, etc. Its ridiculous and has been since well before Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Bearded

That's the problem right there - can't report someone for RMT just based on a hunch.

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Then don't allow any of it at all. Even WoW has started to ban people using the group finder to advertise selling runs even if payment is for gold and not real money.

se dont care about content sellers and never have

>inb4 but what about the bots!!!

It's absolutely disgusting that they're allowed to exist.

Is there a right click > report bot function? Or anything like that?

I've been seeing bots out in full force lately. All the midlanders with default faces and gibberish names sinking into the ground and glitching out of existence. Each time I play on a non-locked server I see at least a few per play session.

Honestly I wish all the (non RMT) listings for selling runs and gear, static and FC recruitment type stuff could just be put in a separate Advertisements tab or something. I don't really mind if someone posts they are selling the newest crafted gear for a lower price... Just don't make me look at it when I am trying to find actual content to run.

If you aren’t positive that the run-selling is RMT, then the player really hasn’t done anything wrong.

It’s like anything else in the game- a player has put in the time to be able to sell a product that has some kind of demand. Another player doesn’t want to put in the effort to do it themselves, but has the means to pay for the service.

It’s essentially the same as paying a crafter for their products.

Moreover, if some kind of content built for 8 people can be done with 7, perhaps the content isn’t really that difficult -or- the 7 man team has earned some kind of right to “sell” their skills.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Moreover, if some kind of content built for 8 people can be done with 7, perhaps the content isn’t really that difficult -or- the 7 man team has earned some kind of right to “sell” their skills.

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Ultimates and some current raid tiers require 8-man for mechanics like LR in E8S but there are "other ways" to run 8 man with only 7 ppl or less which is why they always say to meet somewhere else. I think feigning ignorance to the fact that despite you can't assume that what they are posting on PF is RMT, you can't deny that it is sketchy. It's the same reason you see ppl posting feet pics and other things in the PF. As long as the actual transaction is not happening in the game then there's no issue (which is messed up imo).

It's like having a known pedophile hanging around the playground. If he's not doing anything the owners of that playground can't do anything and it's up to the parents to just ignore or move away from him. A hyperbolic example, yes, but the point is these clear sellers are cluttering up the PF and sadly I had to blist some players who I have raided with before and are pretty good players but I hate seeing those clear sells. Really cheapens the achievements of Ultimates imo.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

Ultimates and some current raid tiers require 8-man for mechanics like LR in E8S but there are "other ways" to run 8 man with only 7 ppl or less which is why they always say to meet somewhere else. I think feigning ignorance to the fact that despite you can't assume that what they are posting on PF is RMT, you can't deny that it is sketchy. It's the same reason you see ppl posting feet pics and other things in the PF. As long as the actual transaction is not happening in the game then there's no issue (which is messed up imo).

It's like having a known pedophile hanging around the playground. If he's not doing anything the owners of that playground can't do anything and it's up to the parents to just ignore or move away from him. A hyperbolic example, yes, but the point is these clear sellers are cluttering up the PF and sadly I had to blist some players who I have raided with before and are pretty good players but I hate seeing those clear sells. Really cheapens the achievements of Ultimates imo.

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Not saying I condone RMT, but I am more “innocent until proven guilty”.

And there really isn’t anything I can do to prove otherwise- that’s on SE to investigate.
All that said, if ultimates can be done by 7 people, I would say that’s more of a mistake to where either SE made it too easy, or the player skill is that good. If in-game currency is to be made there, I do not blame the players.

Most people selling ingame are not Rmting they are doing it for gil. And I see nothing wrong with it, it is not different then people asking crafters to make something. How my guild bought our large house in the ARR days when they first launched.

Now the ones who are "if you want a clear contact me in X discord to discuss"... then you are getting into the fishy situations where rmt is more likely involved since the deal is being done outside the game where SE will not ban you for doing rmt deals.

I can't imagine being naive enough to believe these run sellers aren't RMT. I wonder how many people intentionally obfuscating the issue by saying "b-but what about gil?" are actually themselves personally involved in selling runs for real money.

With that said, it's a moot point, because they shouldn't be allowed to spam the party finder with their garbage anyway. It should be banned, or SE should make a separate PF tab for advertising that doesn't shove it in your face every time you open it up.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Is there a right click > report bot function? Or anything like that?

I've been seeing bots out in full force lately. All the midlanders with default faces and gibberish names sinking into the ground and glitching out of existence. Each time I play on a non-locked server I see at least a few per play session.

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How does this work exactly? The bots I mean. I'm always been curious about it. I saw them a couple of times (names like ahsgksdfksdfksdfbsdkfbsdkbf or something, with "Wanderer" title), standing at the same spot, teleporting... what does these bots even do when they do that? What advantages does the person using them are gaining for using them like that?

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Originally Posted by kaynide

If you aren’t positive that the run-selling is RMT, then the player really hasn’t done anything wrong.

Moreover, if some kind of content built for 8 people can be done with 7, perhaps the content isn’t really that difficult -or- the 7 man team has earned some kind of right to “sell” their skills.

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The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS. It simply cannot be done with only 7 active players and no party will teach you the fight as this would take hours or days as one mistake is usually going to wipe the group. Selling a clear means they will log in with your account and play with your character to get you what you want. So even if it is not RMT it is still a bannable offense.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS. It simply cannot be done with only 7 active players and no party will teach you the fight as this would take hours or days as one mistake is usually going to wipe the group. Selling a clear means they will log in with your account and play with your character to get you what you want. So even if it is not RMT it is still a bannable offense.

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Actually, both UCOB & UWU (alledgedly, but with one person just staying dead to still have LB3) have been 7-manned due to substat & potency inflation & gear changes in SHB have made the dps checks much easier. They're extremely difficult 7-manned, don't get me wrong, but it is -technically- possible a group could 7-man sell those Ultimates through gil completely legit. TEA is the one that's impossible to 7-man. Whether they would or not is a different question, just addressing that is is indeed -possible-.

Link to the ucob clear I watched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGZ-wFZ5cM8&

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Originally Posted by Bearded

That's the problem right there - can't report someone for RMT just based on a hunch.

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Its simple then, ban advertising through the game if you won't talk about the terms of the ad in the game.


Problem solved.


I don't see how people can condone this, while yelling about SE not doing enough to ban gil sellers.

Report if your're 100% sure, blacklist them via PF and move on. Its all you can do.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS. It simply cannot be done with only 7 active players and no party will teach you the fight as this would take hours or days as one mistake is usually going to wipe the group. Selling a clear means they will log in with your account and play with your character to get you what you want. So even if it is not RMT it is still a bannable offense.

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I’m not sure what account sharing has to do with anything. To sell runs all you need to do is be able to clear it with 7 people (which has been done). It just requires some janky hijinks or bleeding-edge optimization/gear. Difficult doesn’t mean impossible. And of course with each passing week, you get more and more people who are better at the fight..just a matter of time before groups can confidently “sell” a run.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I’m not sure what account sharing has to do with anything. To sell runs all you need to do is be able to clear it with 7 people (which has been done). It just requires some janky hijinks or bleeding-edge optimization/gear. Difficult doesn’t mean impossible. And of course with each passing week, you get more and more people who are better at the fight..just a matter of time before groups can confidently “sell” a run.

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I would assume that it doesn't matter if you could do an ultimate with 7 people from a dps standpoint, the mechanics simply won't let you if someone is dead 90% of the time. Even savage fights have mechanics where you simply wipe unless all 8 people execute them correctly, Light Rampant being a good example. You can't "carry" someone through E8S with only 7 people doing mechanics.

I believe Yoshi P talked about this in an interview long ago. He said something along the lines that it's not against the ToS since it's based on in-game trade items/currency. Basically bounty hunting. I think he was also encouraging this practice, I can't remember because it's been too long. IMO they should have a bounty board where players could post requests for clears, certain items, and offer their own services. I suppose that's what the fellowship might be for other than the frequent eRP channels that show up? lol

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

I believe Yoshi P talked about this in an interview long ago. He said something along the lines that it's not against the ToS since it's based on in-game trade items/currency. Basically bounty hunting. I think he was also encouraging this practice, I can't remember because it's been too long. IMO they should have a bounty board where players could post requests for clears, certain items, and offer their own services. I suppose that's what the fellowship might be for other than the frequent eRP channels that show up? lol

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I'm pretty sure they wouldn't need 5 accounts asking you to talk to the same person on discord (IE same discord account) if they were doing it for gil. They are just as bad as gil spammers in cities IMO.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I would assume that it doesn't matter if you could do an ultimate with 7 people from a dps standpoint, the mechanics simply won't let you if someone is dead 90% of the time. Even savage fights have mechanics where you simply wipe unless all 8 people execute them correctly, Light Rampant being a good example. You can't "carry" someone through E8S with only 7 people doing mechanics.

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https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ek4y1k7rA

Ultima ultimate cleared with 7 people. I never specified any specific fight, just that if it were possible, people could make money.

There is a difference in stance that “all ultimates can be done with 7”, and “fights which can be done with 7 will see clear sales”. My point is the latter.

I’m not sure what you are assuming, because even Bismarck ex needs 2 people to do unsync’d. Certain fights just require bodies. Some don’t.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Is there a right click > report bot function? Or anything like that?

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The only right click > report in the game is from someones name in chat and it's for RMT only. Can't even report bots or cheating this way. All other reporting you have to manually fill out a forum.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I’m not sure what account sharing has to do with anything. To sell runs all you need to do is be able to clear it with 7 people (which has been done).

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Maybe UCoB and UWU are now doable with 7 players but people are also selling Ultimate Alexander clears and that can't be done (so far) without 8 active people, so account sharing/piloting your character is an absolute requirement for that.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

Maybe UCoB and UWU are now doable with 7 players but people are also selling Ultimate Alexander clears and that can't be done (so far) without 8 active people, so account sharing/piloting your character is an absolute requirement for that.

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Which was never my point.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Which was never my point.

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You were asking what account sharing has to do with anything and were arguing that it is possible to clear with 7 people, making it "legal" to sell those clears. But Alexander Ultimate is NOT possible with 7 people and can't be done without account sharing/piloting another account, which would be against the ToS same like RMT. So there is no way it is "legal" to sell a Alexander Ultimate clear, makeing the offer suspicious and reportable to begin with - which is the whole point of this thread.

If SE is not willing to ban or warn those discord sellers about their wording in party finder, then at least increase the size of the blacklist to 300 or 500. The amount of party finders with along the lines of "selling" and "discord" are getting out of hand IMO.

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Originally Posted by Darsien

This whole "leave someone dead" angle is a nice attempt to defend sellers, but I've yet to see a bought log where they leave the buying account dead. For the sellers who don't do 8 accounts at a time of course, which is the obvious best choice if you have any idea what the words "time management" mean.



Bismark Ex can be done solo easily. Pick Warrior and save a Chaos and Inner Release. Isn't even tight.
You know, while I'm here.

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Waaaay off topic, but do you kill the Sunuwa before they cluster together/get massive damage reduction, or what? Genuinely asking as I didn't spend a lot of time to figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

You were asking what account sharing has to do with anything and were arguing that it is possible to clear with 7 people, making it "legal" to sell those clears. But Alexander Ultimate is NOT possible with 7 people and can't be done without account sharing/piloting another account, which would be against the ToS same like RMT. So there is no way it is "legal" to sell a Alexander Ultimate clear, makeing the offer suspicious and reportable to begin with - which is the whole point of this thread.

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I was never specifically talking about Alexander.

The point of this whole thread was, quote:

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Originally Posted by Krojack

Please add a right click > Report RMT to the party finder. It's getting out of hand and just completely cluttering up the party finder with garbage.

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To which I responded:

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Originally Posted by kaynide

If you aren’t positive that the run-selling is RMT, then the player really hasn’t done anything wrong.

It’s like anything else in the game- a player has put in the time to be able to sell a product that has some kind of demand. Another player doesn’t want to put in the effort to do it themselves, but has the means to pay for the service.

It’s essentially the same as paying a crafter for their products.

Moreover, if some kind of content built for 8 people can be done with 7, perhaps the content isn’t really that difficult -or- the 7 man team has earned some kind of right to “sell” their skills.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Not saying I condone RMT, but I am more “innocent until proven guilty”.

And there really isn’t anything I can do to prove otherwise- that’s on SE to investigate.
All that said, if ultimates can be done by 7 people, I would say that’s more of a mistake to where either SE made it too easy, or the player skill is that good. If in-game currency is to be made there, I do not blame the players.

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YOU replied:

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS.

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..which is false, as I and others linked videos of groups CLEARLY doing UCOB and UWU, 7 man.

To which you changed into:

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

Maybe UCoB and UWU are now doable with 7 players but people are also selling Ultimate Alexander clears and that can't be done (so far) without 8 active people, so account sharing/piloting your character is an absolute requirement for that.

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So now we're talking about Alexander and/or the assumption that the carry needs be controlled by third party?

If you think something is suspicious, report away. Nobody stopping you.

tl;dr:

(OP) Report Illegal RMT > (Me)Guilty Until Proven > (You)But You Can't 7 Man Ultimates >(Me/others)Yeah, you can: links > (You)But not Alexander > (Me) Ok...so report away if you have proof.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

Anyone mislabeling to get their stupid ad at the top should be reported. I don't care if they're selling or not. If they are using the Expert Tag and are not looking for a group to do Expert with, that should be a reportable offense where the person is booted from using Party Finder. I'm not even asking for disciplinary action, just Party Finder bans of appropriate length depending on how many reports the person has earned in a day, week, etc. Its ridiculous and has been since well before Stormblood.

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Mislabeling? Like labeing your group a farm party and then wiping on easy mechanics? I agree that should definitely be reportable.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

Ultimates and some current raid tiers require 8-man for mechanics like LR in E8S but there are "other ways" to run 8 man with only 7 ppl or less which is why they always say to meet somewhere else. I think feigning ignorance to the fact that despite you can't assume that what they are posting on PF is RMT, you can't deny that it is sketchy. It's the same reason you see ppl posting feet pics and other things in the PF. As long as the actual transaction is not happening in the game then there's no issue (which is messed up imo).

It's like having a known pedophile hanging around the playground. If he's not doing anything the owners of that playground can't do anything and it's up to the parents to just ignore or move away from him. A hyperbolic example, yes, but the point is these clear sellers are cluttering up the PF and sadly I had to blist some players who I have raided with before and are pretty good players but I hate seeing those clear sells. Really cheapens the achievements of Ultimates imo.

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I personally would not pay for any ultimate or savage clears. I wouldn't even buy mogstation mounts just cuz I think it's stupid to buy digital goods for a video game. But it is just a video game and if someone else wants to do that with their money, I honestly don't care. I get the argument that it lessens the the achievement of players who cleared legitimately, but again, it's just a video game so I don't take it seriously. I mean, if you are worried about video game achievements then you really need to rethink your life. I absolutely agree with SE as a company policing RMT sales of course.

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Originally Posted by Bearded

That's the problem right there - can't report someone for RMT just based on a hunch.

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Selling runs for gil should also be a ban-able offense.
They should let us pass RMT reports as easy for run sellers too.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Selling runs for gil should also be a ban-able offense.

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That's way too extreme. I personally see nothing wrong with providing an in game service for gil. Honestly, if you are against RMT you should encourage people to pay with gil instead of money.

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Originally Posted by Seddrinth

That's way too extreme. I personally see nothing wrong with providing an in game service for gil. Honestly, if you are against RMT you should encourage people to pay with gil instead of money.

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No is not, because they sell gear basically. And im a crafter.
I don't see a diference between them and RMT really, is getting iLevels for money one way or another while ruining crafting.

So yeah, check the logs and also retroactively ban anyone who ever sold or purchased a run.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Most people selling ingame are not Rmting they are doing it for gil.

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Source?

I glanced at PF just now and every single party selling runs directs you to discord. Why do they need to do this if they're all legitimate. Besides, you can check this easily for yourself by adding them on discord and asking for prices. (Hint: the majority won't list gil)

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Originally Posted by LaughingBanana

How does this work exactly? The bots I mean. I'm always been curious about it. I saw them a couple of times (names like ahsgksdfksdfksdfbsdkfbsdkbf or something, with "Wanderer" title), standing at the same spot, teleporting... what does these bots even do when they do that? What advantages does the person using them are gaining for using them like that?

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These are Gil farms. I’ll refrain from posting the common countries these are run in, but it’s fairly well known.
Anyway, they simply script a bunch of accounts to automate themselves to 50 and then from the looks of it, farm Amdapor Keep over and over again. It’s one if the earliest level 50 dungeons, can be spammed 100ish times a day per character (there’s a global daily limit), and generates gil from kills.
There’s been a number of complaints about the wait times to get into AK, it’s real bad for legitimate players.

Anyway, if you ever see someone RMT advertising in the starting cities, these gibberish bots is where all the gil comes from. Usually.
There’s other even worse ways to get gil but this at least explains the flock of poshacking bots you see.

The only real way to stop it is to make it unprofitable by not buying gil. I highly doubt they even legitimately pay for the hundreds if XIV jets needed for each character. It’s likely stolen CC info. So there’s no real monetary loss when they get banned, they just redo it all. There’s no effort from a human, it’s all automated. Until people stop buying gil (what are they even buying with it?) they’ll probably never stop farming.