Please go back to restricting the number of FC houses an individual account can own. Certain players have taken advantage of alts to buy up entire wards, an act that is clearly against the developers' intent.
Also, please consider adding more housing wards. With all the new multi-FC owners, and the grandfathered multi-personal home owners, it's still difficult to find housing.
(Here's hoping Ishgard housing is all instanced. With the snowy weather, it would be a great location to try out larger apartments with "greenhouse" balconies.)
Please restrict FC houses to one owned per account
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09-02-2019, 07:18 AMLalarrificPlease restrict FC houses to one owned per account
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09-02-2019, 08:39 PMZazay
I thought they already did?
"Players may only own one private and one free company estate per World on any given service account."
Source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/
So wouldn't that mean in order to get another new FC house, they'd need to register a new account for that? -
09-02-2019, 08:48 PMMhaeric
They did, but didn't claw back any houses bought under the original rules so there are some people with multiple houses. Their houses shouldn't be clawed back which is the inevitable request whenever this comes up.
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09-02-2019, 09:12 PMMomomiMomi
They realized it was a dumb idea and the only way for them to actually have the game enforce the rules is to make it possible to have a situation where an FC can't be transferred to another player due to FC Master inactivity.
All they can realistically do is limit the purchase of land. FC transfer has to remain possible, which allows for a workaround.
Also, neither of your requests would actually fix anything. They're band-aids at best. Not very long lasting ones, either. The kind that fall off a few moments later.
Want houses to be available again? The prices have to go back up. Demand is simply far too high with the current prices. -
09-02-2019, 09:40 PMalimdiaFrom what I've learned on Reddit the FC restriction was silently removed a few weeks after it was added, and individuals using alts with FCs can keep buying more houses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zazay
Of course the random timer is still a deterrent for people trying to get multiple FC houses, and none of this fixes the problem of people buying leadership of other existing FCs on alts. -
09-02-2019, 10:29 PMNekoNovaWith the amount of gil in circulation, I doubt raising the prices of housing is going to make much difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomomiMomi
This will only end up alienating new people from purchasing a house.
Far better would be to make instanced housing in such a way you can still have neighbors/communities, but also have the possibility to add more plots as the need for housing increases.
Or simply keep adding more plots for people, while keep the one house/account rule -
09-02-2019, 10:45 PMLaylaTsarraYou are talking about one per server right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lalarrific
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09-02-2019, 11:05 PMZazayWhat? Why would they do that? If they really removed that then of course they start house/plot hogging again...Quote:
Originally Posted by alimdia
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09-03-2019, 12:42 AMMomomiMomiIf it was as simple as "keep adding more plots" then they'd likely have solved the issue ages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by NekoNova
Instanced housing takes a lot of work and server resources, and is something they've technically already given us. FC house rooms. Apartments. Not what we're looking for, but it's what they decided to do. Just about every decision they've ever made regarding housing has pushed us further and further away from instanced housing. Personal housing was another such decision.
An extremely simple fix that doesn't take any more work than simply adjusting numbers is to make the house depreciation value matter. Right now it doesn't. Every single house that goes up for sale right now is going to be sold at its maximum value.
There are very few players who wouldn't bat an eye at a maximum value similar to those that housing started at. e.g., why would you pay 500 million gil for a house when, if you were to simply wait, that price will eventually reach as low as 5 million?
This simultaneously fixes house flipping. With such a system, a player would not only have to match or beat the price you paid for your house as your compensation, but would have to be willing to put down the example 500 million as well once the plot becomes available. In the case of FC housing, they'd at the very least have to match or beat your paid price. But why would they pay you, say, 100, or 200 million, when, if they look over at the next plot, there's a plot available for 50 million or less?
How low will prices realistically go? They'll go down to their true value. In such a system, prices will eventually reach equilibrium, the point at which supply and demand meet. That is to say, the real price that people are willing to pay for the house.
And they will go down. Because people will have to balance their desire to own the house with the fact that if they wait just a little while longer, they'll have to pay several million gil less. Just the same, they will have to balance their desire to pay less with the fact that someone else wants that house, too. When do you pay? How low will you go? This is how a depreciating value should work. It currently doesn't. The maximum price is so far below demand that every person interested in buying a house is willing to put it down.
Another effect that such a system has is removing larger amounts of gil from the game. Even if people allow themselves to reclaim 80% of their purchase price, 80% of a larger number is still a larger number of gil destroyed. This in effect also helps to decrease the price of housing by reducing the effects of inflation.
With all of that in effect, then you add more housing. Add 240 houses simultaneously at a large price (e.g. 500m maximum - 5m minimum) and see how fast people don't press that purchase land button. -
09-03-2019, 07:19 AMLalarrificDoes someone need to be the leader of more than one FC? It doesn't preclude alts from being officers.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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09-03-2019, 07:26 AMLaylaTsarraI have a small FC on Gilgamesh and one on Balmung. My home server is Siren where I belong to a FC and don't plan on being the leader of that one and have been a member for years. I'm leader of the two i mentioned, puchased both of them myself and don't plan on designating an alt to be leader so I can buy another. I was just curious if you were talking about restricting one FC per account regardless of server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lalarrific
And I'm not really sure how you stop people who would designate an alt as leader and then move on to buy another. -
09-03-2019, 07:59 AMDustytomeSimply apply the same rules to changing leadership as you would to purchase. If the person already owns an fc on the server that has a house, deny transfer of ownership of an fc that has a house. In the case of the leader not signing in for 35 days, the same applies. The ownership will attempt to transfer to a valid character, if there are none, the fc plot is back on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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09-03-2019, 08:10 AMGulaThat. Is. Stu-ahem, a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
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09-03-2019, 08:15 AMLaylaTsarra35 days seems awfully short (even shorter then the 45 day time for private houses). I'd be curious what the current time is for leader transfer. Seems to me some people might actually take a vacation for that amount of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
There are certainly a lot of ideas to add restrictions in an attempt to remove housing from owners by many means. I'm personally of the view that a paying sub is all that should matter when it comes to keeping a house but that's me. I've never been a fan of having to enter the house model. -
09-03-2019, 08:19 AMDustytomeThat's exactly what the 35 days is. They could add a 10 day grace period for transfer attempts to meet up with the 45 day auto-demo timer, but in that special case, literally everyone else in the fc doesn't qualify because they themselves are already the owner of an fc with a house on the same world.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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09-03-2019, 08:20 AMLaylaTsarraMy question is what is the current time period before a FC is transferred if a leader doesn't log in? You're saying it is currently 35 days or is that something you're proposing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
Edit: Appears it's 35 days after googling and reading about it. I wasn't aware that the time was so short. -
09-03-2019, 08:34 AMNanaWiloh
FC houses belong to the FC itselo not a singular player. It's the reason FC homes are handled the way they are.
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09-03-2019, 08:35 AMDustytomeUnless it was changed, it should be 35 days according to some really old patch notes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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In the event a free company master does not log in for 35 days (Earth time), ownership will be automatically transferred to another free company member, based upon the following criteria:
1. Members who have logged in within the past seven days
2. Higher-ranked members preferred
3. Senior members preferred
What part is a bad idea to you and why? It blocks FCs with houses from being handed over to anyone on a world that already has an fc with a house on their account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gula
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09-03-2019, 08:47 AMBig_BapGo back? Taken advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lalarrific
You're aware that in the (nearly) 5 years since patch 3.1, the only time FCs had to deal with any sort of restrictions were during the 2 weeks following the release of patch 4.2 right? If SE would have had any problems with players grinding FCs to rank 6 and then using housing as a gil sink, which is the very purpose of housing, they would have done something about it.
You speak of multi house owners as the reason why some servers having accessibility issues with housing and you couldn't be more wrong. Patch 2.38 is the primarily reason as to why there's a housing crisis to begin with. That's right, there was never accessibility issues when housing was restricted to FCs only.
In the case of grandfathered personal houses, their amount is so ridiculously low that you might as well be complaining about anything else and it would have more weight to it.
By the way, the amount of plots is nearly 10 times what it was on release...
https://i.imgur.com/FEBHcjy.png
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09-03-2019, 09:17 AMArazehlReal nice chart but doesn't show available plots, occupied plots or owners of multiple plots to current patch. This chart needs more data added to it to make it sound. Make a chart showing availability over several patches to the most current. That I would like to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Bap
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09-03-2019, 09:32 AMBig_BapI'm sorry, you are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arazehl
I'm not doing anything for you darling. Multi house owners are a non factor in comparison to personal house owners who don't even have tenants. Yet alone use their house on a regular basis to begin with. -
09-03-2019, 09:36 AMMomomiMomiThey added FC transfers quite late and after the fact that FCs ending up with a master who has quit is not a good situation to be in. This is not something that should be prevented. FC transfers must remain available to all FC members or else you risk a situation where FC ownership quite simply can't be transferred, and then we're back to square one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
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09-03-2019, 10:52 AMVahlnirThey are a factor, just not as big of a factor as the supply vs demand issue. If anything, multi house owners are symptoms of the real issue. And, unfortunately, the "treatment" (adding more plots) is given too sparsely so it's barely making a difference in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Bap
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09-03-2019, 11:07 AMDustytomeYes, but again this is a situation where every single member is already the owner of their own separate fc that has its own fc house on that world. If a person is in the fc and is part of another fc on the same world that has a house, but are not the owner of that other fc, they'd still qualify for ownership transfer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomomiMomi
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09-04-2019, 01:39 AMEdaxQuote:
Originally Posted by Big_Bap
I'm sorry who are you? Oh right, the person bragging they own nearly an entire ward in their signature. -
09-04-2019, 02:25 AMPaladinleedsWhat if they made it so the prices started at 500 billion gil for small, 500 trillion for medium, and 500 quadrillion for large? With minimum prices being 5 million/billion/trillion for S/M/L respectively (with somewhat higher amounts of deprecation required to reach the minimum price, but still not too many as to make deprecations meaningless). Do you think that'd fix the issue? After all, that's still a MASSIVE price differential, and even the larges at minimum price would still be REALLY pricy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomomiMomi
And before anyone tries to chastise me saying don't suggest any more ideas etc (I've had it happen in the past), I'm intentionally making it extreme to try to foster finding a middle ground for all parties. -
09-04-2019, 02:45 AMNaizakanethe 4.2 restrictions were for individual buyers. FCs had first pick for at least a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Bap
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09-04-2019, 03:55 AMArazehlThen you have nothing interesting to add to any of these threads, when you sit on multiple houses "darling". All you have to add is excuses why you should be as greedy as you as are. So go put that in your pipe and smoke it. No one cares for your thoughts on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Bap
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09-04-2019, 03:56 AMMhaericI enjoy every time they bring out a new one of their alts to post with, since it lets me know when to add another one of them to my ignore list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arazehl
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09-04-2019, 04:01 AMNolLacnala
You should advocate fixing the housing system itself instead
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09-04-2019, 04:14 AMShougunSort of said before in some other posts but this be shortest quote lol. That's not to say we can't try to make band-aids in the meantime but to hope we heal the root over just applying gauze over the wound over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by NolLacnala
Like the current placard system which might be made less frustrating against bots and relocation, or the FC shell issues, or the other plethora of issues (imo)... they all, almost, suffer the same problem which is the solutions are band-aids to dodge the real issue of the system itself. Not that I'm trying to say it's cheap to address the system (assuming worst case scenario it's an awful mountain...), but I hope they're working on this behind the scenes or at least prepared to never repeat this in future MMOs.
I really hope one day SE shocks us with some news like "we've been working really hard and we've come with a new housing system- where every character (or at least account) and FC will now be able to enjoy our content!". -
09-04-2019, 05:13 AMAladire
If someone has not mentioned this, I wanted to add in that I met someone who created an alt and leveled it with the crafting to then get a second FC going and get another FC house. She told me that the crafting station to make the level 3 buffs only allows for 2 at a time and they take a day or 2 to make.
She figured out that while you have to craft them at this station, which you can only have one in the FC house, that with a second, you can make the item and then with another character that has permission, take the completed ones over to the main FC and then you have more level 3 buffs available.
The fact that she has to do this is ridiculous, but it was why she has 2 FCs with a FC house each. -
09-04-2019, 06:17 AMBig_BapWrong, there was a two weeks moratorium on personal house purchases and the restriction that is currently displayed in the housing guide regarding FC house ownership were actually onging during that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naizakane
Already did more than you though, no need to be bitter ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arazehl
We do that as well to prime 50+ tier 3 FC buffs per week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aladire
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09-04-2019, 06:23 AMArillyn
The reason they removed the restriction is because if you had a character that belonged to a FC that owned a house and had an alt on the same world in another FC that did not own a house, that homeless FC couldn't buy a house - even if none of your characters were not an FC owner. Here is the link to the page that explained how the rules were to work. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/