Anyone been to GM jail?

I got randomly teleported into GM jail after apparently having offended someone. The GM would not explain as to what i said to offend this person as it went against their policy.

I got a minor caution, but still a strange experience. In ESO they give you an email with details of what you said, so you can fix your behaviour.

Anyone had similiar experiences?

Been a few people who have reported they said something to offend others but had zero idea what was said. So who really knows, if you are known for cursing that could be it, but it could have also been the off comment "Lalafell are potato" that ticked someone off. No one really needs a reason these days to "be offended"

Yeah, its a really weird policy to have. They should give you details of what you said instead of keeping it a secret. I was told it was due to players retaliating against the one who filed the report. Being secret about it won't change a persons behaviour, however showing what they said could improve their behaviour as they would know what would be deemed offencive or not.

I told them anyone could falsely report people if they edited logs too, but apparently GM's got the logs from the moment it happened. So they are always obeserving.

This is why I pretty much talk to no one anymore except my FC lol.

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Originally Posted by JediFirefly

This is why I pretty much talk to no one anymore except my FC lol.

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True, too much moderation can make people cautious of saying anything at all, or leave the game altogheter. Its better to be honest and straight forward than being secretive.

I went to jail a few times in XI. It's the same Mordion Gaol. SE either won't tell you what you've done or will be very vague about it. Their customer service is garbage tier and their GM's usually have their hands tied.

Yes, though it was for trying to break a DoL bot that was being monitored by somebody (I've since figured out who the main account behind the bots is and have shifted my focus to trying to get him banned instead...), not anything that could truly be considered harassment.

The GM was merciful enough to not even give me a caution for it, though.

Maybe they realize the STF is terrible at their job and that their hands are basically being kept tied by SE's horrible enforcement policies?

Never been to gaol myself but I learn from others mistakes.

It really is confusing to be told you did something wrong, but not to be told what. I mean... how do they expect you to not repeat the behavior when they decide just to give you a warning? I'd be a nervous wreck for weeks if this happened to me since I'd have no clue as to what prompted it.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Never been to gaol myself but I learn from others mistakes.

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Yeah, its good to share stories, perhaps there might be something people learn from it. I heard stories of people being sent to the jail for having inapproriate names and stuff.

I don't blame them for following their policies though, however they could do better than this. Im glad they take reports seriously instead of just leaving it alone.

Nope im a good lad

Never been. I don't think I'd like it, I'm pretty sure you can't use emotes there.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Never been. I don't think I'd like it, I'm pretty sure you can't use emotes there.

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Everything gets locked down besides the general chat. So yeah, they pretty much freeze you in that tiny square room with the GM.

Everyone in FFXIV is much nicer since you mostly need to teamup for almost everything lol. That's why its very rare for someone to be so toxic. If you ever find yourself in GM jail, you probably did something really bad lol.

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Originally Posted by RareItems

Everyone in FFXIV is much nicer since you mostly need to teamup for almost everything lol. That's why its very rare for someone to be so toxic. If you ever find yourself in GM jail, you probably did something really bad lol.

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You be surprised how many toxic people i came across while tanking, healing or running dungeons in general, either by behaviour or use of words and it will become even more common as more people migrate from WoW.

When I think about it, it would be really easy for them to determine if someone was botting if they just had a GM temporarily jail a suspect who's exhibiting unusual behavior and has been reported regularly to see how they react, because a bot is going to either do absolutely nothing, start glitching out and repeatedly spamming actions like Teleport in an attempt to get itself back on track, or resort to a shoddy automated response in an attempt to avoid being punished.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

You be surprised how many toxic people i came across while tanking, healing or running dungeons in general, either by behaviour or use of words and it will become even more common as more people migrate from WoW.

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People really need to drop the notion that WoW is making XIV more toxic.

It's always had its share of elitists, just less because XIV's content does not demand that people actually perform anywhere near their best outside of maybe savage/ultimate, unlike WoW where even dungeon trash poses a risk of wiping a group if you don't respect the mechanics at play

Any sensible WoW players who migrate here will quickly grasp that people do not need to be that good to get through most of the content and withhold the trash talk accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

You be surprised how many toxic people i came across while tanking, healing or running dungeons in general, either by behaviour or use of words and it will become even more common as more people migrate from WoW.

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report and move on.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

You be surprised how many toxic people i came across while tanking, healing or running dungeons in general, either by behaviour or use of words and it will become even more common as more people migrate from WoW.

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I'm one of those WoW immigrants your mother warned you about and I've probably run into more intense toxicity here than in WoW. It's less frequent here but when it happens, it can be pretty gruesome.

Over in the Blizzard playground trash talking just means "Hello" at this point. It's goofy white noise.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

You be surprised how many toxic people i came across while tanking, healing or running dungeons in general, either by behaviour or use of words and it will become even more common as more people migrate from WoW.

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In FFXIV, for ever 1 toxic ppl i meet, i meet 100 good nice peeps xD. As long as you don't raid and just do casual stuff, you'll probably almost never encounter toxic ppl too lol.

Now if your the type of player who for example: Plays Gunbreaker, is already lvl 68, still wearing the default lvl 60 NQ gear, and pulls everything, you can expect toxicity right there lol.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I'm one of those WoW immigrants your mother warned you about and I've probably run into more intense toxicity here than in WoW. It's less frequent here but when it happens, it can be pretty gruesome.

Over in the Blizzard playground trash talking just means "Hello" at this point. It's goofy white noise.

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Not saying everyone is bad, but there is quite alot who are. I used to play WoW myself back in the day when it was still a good game lol

Blizzard games in general attract alot of toxicity, Overwatch is a prime example.

But lets not derail the discussion.

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Originally Posted by RareItems

Everyone in FFXIV is much nicer since you mostly need to teamup for almost everything lol. That's why its very rare for someone to be so toxic. If you ever find yourself in GM jail, you probably did something really bad lol.

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Damn near everything required other people in FFXI and there was plenty of (warranted and unwarranted) toxicity to go around. People are "much nicer" in XIV because they're terrified of getting in trouble. This is why so many people here on the forums openly admit that they no longer chat outside of their FC/Linkshell(s) in-game because they're worried about upsetting/offending someone.

Honestly, I think this game needs more toxicity. People are far too accepting of absolutely horrendous play from other players. You're considered an elitist if you expect someone to perform base job functions or wear level/job appropriate equipment. You're met with "chill" or "relax" when you politely ask someone what happened or why they were or weren't doing something. I like to refer to the FFXIV community as " The Care Bear Community."

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

Not saying everyone is bad, but there is quite alot who are. I used to play WoW myself back in the day when it was still a good game lol

Blizzard games in general attract alot of toxicity, Overwatch is a prime example.

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I think it's more that Blizzard games attract a lot of PEOPLE. They also have more competitive aspects to their design and that can breed hostility at times.

But the toxicity that people constantly claim WoW has is a bit exaggerated. Even over there, the worst offenders are quickly shot down.

I doubt WoW immigration will cause a toxicity spike. That sort of thing will happen more due to this game aging and the playerbase losing its patience.

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Originally Posted by Sub-Xero

Damn near everything required other people in FFXI and there was plenty of (warranted and unwarranted) toxicity to go around. People are "so nice" in XIV because they're terrified of getting in trouble. This is why so many people here on the forums openly admit that they no longer chat outside of their FC/Linkshell(s) in-game because they're worried about upsetting/offending someone.

Honestly, I think this game needs more toxicity. People are far too accepting of absolutely horrendous play from other players. You're considered an elitist if you expect someone to perform base job functions or wear level/job appropriate equipment. You're met with "chill" or "relax" when you politely ask someone what happened or why they were or weren't doing something. I like to refer to the FFXIV community as " The Care Bear Community."

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I disagree that we need more toxicity as if humiliation will make people better players (it won't). But I can agree that more transparency is probably warranted as well as a willingness to observe context (Is it toxicity, well intentioned criticism or someone trying and failing to be playful?). And, no, I've never been summoned by a GM.

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Originally Posted by Sub-Xero

Damn near everything required other people in FFXI and there was plenty of (warranted and unwarranted) toxicity to go around. People are "so nice" in XIV because they're terrified of getting in trouble. This is why so many people here on the forums openly admit that they no longer chat in-game because they're worried about upsetting someone.

Honestly, I think this game needs more toxicity. People are far too accepting of absolutely horrendous play from other players. You're considered an elitist if you expect someone to perform base job functions or wear level/job appropriate equipment. You're met with "chill" or "relax" when you politely ask someone what happened or why they we're or weren't doing something. The like to refer to the FFXIV community as " The Care Bear Community."

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The thing is, you can be toxic, but then you will be blacklisted by everyone. That means, no more map parties for you, you get disinvited to linkshells, get kicked by your FC. Remember back in 2014-2015 when Hunts were pretty active? We had a few trolls pre-pulling Hunt A/S ranks as soon as they get off their chocobo's. Not even giving everyone a 5 minute courtesy wait lol. Pretty sure everyone black listed them xD.

I also remember this one quest, where there was a line in Costa de Sol, ppl had to kill some Dodo's or something, but some Elitist Raiders on a known toxic Raiding FC was killing the targets so ppl can't complete the quest. Everyone mass reported them and finally a GM in Flaming armor showed up and nabbed those griefers xD.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I think it's more that Blizzard games attract a lot of PEOPLE. They also have more competitive aspects to their design and that can breed hostility at times.

But the toxicity that people constantly claim WoW has is a bit exaggerated. Even over there, the worst offenders are quickly shot down.

I doubt WoW immigration will cause a toxicity spike. That sort of thing will happen more due to this game aging and the playerbase losing its patience.

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Could be yeah, though theres less moderation in WoW than FFXIV, so some may take it as a habbit to act the way they do, or in an elitist way. Popularity can indeed attract those people aswell, when you have millions of people to observe, some will get away with their behaviour. I noticed alot of toxic behaviour in end game raids and dungeons, with people using dps parsers, shaming those who don't do their prefered dps or people taking every dungeon as a speedrun, expecting people to be perfect in what they do.

Then again, PVP or competetive play in general breeds alot of toxic behaviour, the reason why so many are friendly in FFXIV is due to everyone teaming up together rather than splitting the playerbase in 2.

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Originally Posted by RareItems

The thing is, you can be toxic, but then you will be blacklisted by everyone. That means, no more map parties for you, you get disinvited to linkshells, get kicked by your FC. Remember back in 2014-2015 when Hunts were pretty active? We had a few trolls pre-pulling Hunt A/S ranks as soon as they get off their chocobo's. Not even giving everyone a 5 minute courtesy wait lol. Pretty sure everyone black listed them xD.

I also remember this one quest, where there was a line in Costa de Sol, ppl had to kill some Dodo's or something, but some Elitist Raiders on a known toxic Raiding FC was killing the targets so ppl can't complete the quest. Everyone mass reported them and finally a GM in Flaming armor showed up and nabbed those griefers xD.

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Being legitimately toxic in this game really doesn't have any long term consequence in-game. Everything is instanced, you can visit other servers, easily change your name, easily transfer to another server/datacenter etc. I'm not talking about people just straight up being mean a-holes for no reason though. Most of what you mentioned are things the majority of the community can openly admit are "bad" and "toxic."

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Originally Posted by Sub-Xero

Being legitimately toxic in this game really doesn't have any long term consequence in-game. Everything is instanced, you can visit other servers, easily change your name, easily transfer to another server/datacenter etc. I'm not talking about people just straight up being mean a-holes for no reason though. Most of what you mentioned are things the majority of the community can openly admit are "bad" and "toxic."

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Lol i disagree. Being toxic in this game openly will just hurt your gaming experience. If you want to be extremely toxic and not get punished for it, try Black Desert Online. The daily chat in that game makes even the most toxic Overwatch competitive video looks tame lol. That game literally thrives on toxicity as it makes the game feel competitive and eventually makes them buy overpriced "For convenience" items on their cashshop in an effort to gain an advantage.

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Originally Posted by RareItems

Lol i disagree. Being toxic in this game openly will just hurt your gaming experience. If you want to be extremely toxic and not get punished for it, try Black Desert Online. The daily chat in that game makes even the most toxic Overwatch competitive video looks tame lol. That game literally thrives on toxicity as it makes player more competitive and eventually makes them buy overpriced "For convenience" items on their cashshop.

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Yeah, main reason i avoid free to play games in general. You don't really get punished being toxic and can make a new account easily if something happens, not to mention how free games attracts bots, goldfarmers and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

Yeah, main reason i avoid free to play games in general. You don't really get punished being toxic and can make a new account easily if something happens, not to mention how free games attracts bots of all kinds.

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Yet some F2P games still manage to do a better job of enforcing bots then XIV does...somehow.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Yet some F2P games still manage to do a better job of enforcing bots then XIV does...somehow.

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Hmm yeah, WoW had the same problem, even with a subscription cost there was a ton of bots and hackers plaguing the game. Making free trial is also something that allows them to infest the game without any worries. Just gotta report everything you see. I think they have a team too that watches and observes those botters to find the main source and shut it down. I play on a congested server myself, so i don't really see any bots or gilfarmers in chat since they can't make any new accounts, however allowing server visits may have opened a way for them to continue their operations without consequences.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

Yeah, main reason i avoid free to play games in general. You don't really get punished being toxic and can make a new account easily if something happens, not to mention how free games attracts bots, goldfarmers and stuff.

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lol BDO is not free to play. FFXIV costs me 32 dollars a month. BDO costed me 400/month xD. They lure you in with that 5 dollar price tag on Steam. Just take a few minutes to watch this BDO content creator's video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJYEwIHPX2k

FYI: BDO made a billion dollar in profits on 2018. A Billion Dollars.

https://venturebeat.com/2019/04/09/p...ck-desert-mmo/

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Originally Posted by RareItems

lol BDO is not free to play. FFXIV costs me 32 dollars a month. BDO costed me 400/month xD. They lure you in with that 5 dollar price tag on Steam. Just take a few minutes to watch this BDO content creator's video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJYEwIHPX2k

FYI: BDO made a billion dollar in profits on 2018. A Billion Dollars.

https://venturebeat.com/2019/04/09/p...ck-desert-mmo/

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Oh, thought it was, well i have no interest in BDO anyhow, just another generic korean mmo with oversexualized dudes and gals.

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Originally Posted by RareItems

FYI: BDO made a billion dollar in profits on 2018. A Billion Dollars.

https://venturebeat.com/2019/04/09/p...ck-desert-mmo/

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That's not what the article said. First it said it grossed a billion over 4 years, not in 2018, and second gross sales doesn't equal profit.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

Hmm yeah, WoW had the same problem, even with a subscription cost there was a ton of bots and hackers plaguing the game. Making free trial is also something that allows them to infest the game without any worries. Just gotta report everything you see. I think they have a team too that watches and observes those botters to find the main source and shut it down. I play on a congested server myself, so i don't really see any bots or gilfarmers in chat since they can't make any new accounts, however allowing server visits may have opened a way for them to continue their operations without consequences.

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All servers have an abundance of DoL/H/FATE bots from what I've seen/experienced. The RMT spammers are just the the least subtle type.

WoW wasn't free of bots by any stretch, but I got more bots there banned with reports in the span of a few weeks then I've managed in over three years of XIV.

I've never seen it, and that is probably a good thing at the end of the day. I do feel sometimes though that I don't think their accounts should be permanently gone (if their chances are up) because it's very hard to level every single class in this game, and I wouldn't want that player have to do it all over again. I believe it's that kind of fear is what is keeping people in line while playing FFXIV, but I don't think it's the dev team's original intention to scare people.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

I got randomly teleported into GM jail after apparently having offended someone. The GM would not explain as to what i said to offend this person as it went against their policy.

I got a minor caution, but still a strange experience. In ESO they give you an email with details of what you said, so you can fix your behaviour.

Anyone had similiar experiences?

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This is actually a violation of the updated laws to privacy this year/last year. They have to reveal everything regarding your account to you, but it seems their GMs have not been trained to handle it and just say its against policy, (which is against the law to say now basically, they can be fined for denying you this info so the GMs need a serious training course it seems) They should have directed you to the new SE privacy team for the info.

Because they “do” have a new privacy law team you can reach by email only and requests full copies of everything they put on your account, such as that GM report against you. The report must not include who reported you though, as thats also a violation. So suffice to say you wont be able to find out who and ask them wtf, but you are entitled to every single bit of the report otherwise, sorry GMs youre wrong on this one!

But In short if its related to you, they “must” release it to you on request, as long as you request it from the right place. (this is any company serving the us/eu that stores personal data)

If you do email them youll just need a photo copy of your ID