Can I beat up an NPC in the story eventually?

Between certain jerk NPCs or cackling villains, there are so many characters in this game that I've wanted to give a slap at one point or another. And the closest I've gotten is a Moogle who I had to craft an apology gift for afterwards!

Can't I just hit Ramza? He's such a jerk to everyone, even his own family!

Alternatively, the dramaturge who brought back the Winequest from Titan's storyline.

There are a few i would love to strangle......

i have a list though its more like if it was up to me they wouldn't exist.

Ramza's great. He's far more interesting than his sister whose only major contribution thus far has been to cry in response to...pretty much everything.

As for the Wandering Dramaturge, he's basically the equivalent of the Wandering Minstrel...for the guy who is responsible for much of Ivalice. Since the entire raid series has been a love letter for Ivalice fans, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth to see people get so enraged by what is a minor inconvenience at best.

Lalafell restrictions, please understand

Curious Gorge, he makes the WAR quests more annoying than they should be, can't wait for the next expansion where we get to watch him be a complete whiny bitch again. I couldn't even get behind his romance with whats her face because all he does is bitch and moan about his ineptitude.

Wish we could just slap him and tell him to stop being a mopey crybaby every time he gets a pebble in his shoe.

Just stand next to them and /slap

I'd love to go back and actually be able to hit Trachtoum. That's the guy who beat "Tidus" and "Leviabeetus". The first time you encounter him, you basically get put in a deliberately unfair fight ... against a rock.

i do hate that Escort fate in northern thanlan
the fate where he just ditches at the end when all the enemies show up

Generally speaking, how badly you want to smash an NPC's face in is inversely proportional to how likely the game will give you the chance to do so.

If the game requires that they die, it will either be not by your hand, through an uncontrollable cuscene, or both.

Let's be real. If it happens in a cutscene, the Warrior of Light will just snarl and look angry while SOMEONE ELSE beats up the NPC.

The WoL NEVER steps in, in a cutscene!

Idk, I find that face option the OP uses far more annoying than Ramza...

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Originally Posted by Theodric

As for the Wandering Dramaturge, he's basically the equivalent of the Wandering Minstrel...for the guy who is responsible for much of Ivalice. Since the entire raid series has been a love letter for Ivalice fans, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth to see people get so enraged by what is a minor inconvenience at best.

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A minor inconvenience where an NPC mocks you, outright calling you a source of mirth, then sends you on a prolonged quest to do something wholly unrelated to the Raid story is a bit annoying.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Idk, I find that face option the OP uses far more annoying than Ramza...

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You can send me the money for a Fantasia anytime then.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Idk, I find that face option the OP uses far more annoying than Ramza...

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Says the knock off Draco Malfoy

In before someone wants to punch Alphinaud.

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.....I want to punch Alphinaud.

I actually don't mind Alphinaud. At least, not now. In ARR, he was a little grating.

I suppose I could see how someone might find him a tad much, though, given that he's basically the main character of XIV while the WoL is just kind of his friend who is really good at solving impediments to peace treaties with violence.

Yotsuyu's whole family. Everybody in Othard may call her a monster but her family were the real ones. I wanted to punch them all so badly during each and every single time they were shown in the MSQ and especially at the end of the Tsukuyomi fight. Although, I wanted to punch my WoL way more at the time because of what she DIDN'T do for someone praised so much as a hero you'd EXPECT them to do!!! God, I hate those moments when the hero/main protagonist does that in contrast to whom they are; it pisses me off to no end!

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Yotsuyu's whole family. Everybody in Othard may call her a monster but her family were the real ones. I wanted to punch them all so badly during each and every single time they were shown in the MSQ and especially at the end of the Tsukuyomi fight.

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I'm at the other end of the spectrum with Yotsuyu's family. Yes, they were monsters, but they were so over-the-top, mustache-twirlingly villainous that it was hard to take them seriously (especially her "dad's" final scene with her just shattered any shred of suspension of disbelief I had left- won't say more than that because spoilers.) SE's writing for them was so heavy handed and they were so obviously desperate for us to hate them that I actually just kind of shut down toward them emotionally. Asahi was slightly better, but the only thing I wanted to do every time her parents were on screen was roll my eyes.

Edit: And slightly more off topic- I would love for there to be more options for our PCs in both verbal responses and actions. But, in the particular case that you mentioned, I disagree with your sentiment that the WoL was acting out of character. I get that you have a different feel for your character and his/her motivations and it would be awesome to be able to express that, but for me personally, that cutscene was spot-on. I guess my point being that outside of actually having options for responses that players can select from (which producing cutscenes for would probably be prohibitively expensive) there is no way that SE can write the WoL in such a way that would please everyone simultaneously.

I wanna punch Thancred for hitting that poor Fortemps kid, then I want to punch my character for being 100% ok with it.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

I'm at the other end of the spectrum with Yotsuyu's family. Yes, they were monsters, but they were so over-the-top, mustache-twirlingly villainous that it was hard to take them seriously (especially her "dad's" final scene with her just shattered any shred of suspension of disbelief I had left- won't say more than that because spoilers.) SE's writing for them was so heavy handed and they were so obviously desperate for us to hate them that I actually just kind of shut down toward them emotionally. Asahi was slightly better, but the only thing I wanted to do every time her parents were on screen was roll my eyes.

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I agree, they just seemed so over-the-top harsh and mindlessly cruel that it didn't seem convincing.

I feel like as much as Asahi was awful and a punch would have been well-deserved, that's exactly what he was trying to make us do the whole time (so he could then accuse us of attacking an ambassador), and we never gave him the satisfaction of succeeding at it.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

I wanna punch Thancred for hitting that poor Fortemps kid, then I want to punch my character for being 100% ok with it.

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I can't remember the exact details of the conversation, but I think Emmanellain was a bit hysterical at that point? Whether Thancred should have done it or not (or just told him off without actually hitting him - which may not have had the same impact, as it were), it was part of Emm's "turning point" where he started to take more responsibility for his actions.

I'm also not sure if we were okay with it, so much as it caught us by surprise as well, and we didn't want to intervene. Or there just wasn't much point to intervening after Thancred had already hit him. He deserved the talking-to. He'd been prettymuch an irresponsible idiot all through the story up to that point.

I think I need to watch this bit again. The fragmented gameplay and cutscene storytelling makes it harder to go back over the story though.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

I'm at the other end of the spectrum with Yotsuyu's family. Yes, they were monsters, but they were so over-the-top, mustache-twirlingly villainous that it was hard to take them seriously (especially her "dad's" final scene with her just shattered any shred of suspension of disbelief I had left- won't say more than that because spoilers.) SE's writing for them was so heavy handed and they were so obviously desperate for us to hate them that I actually just kind of shut down toward them emotionally. Asahi was slightly better, but the only thing I wanted to do every time her parents were on screen was roll my eyes..

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I agree, but Asahi was slightly better?

He uses her traumatic memories to trigger her, intentionally leads his parents to death afterwards, ruins a prisoner exchange uncaring of what happens to the captives, then shows up and laughs about ruining said exchange before shooting an already dying Yotsuyu several times while kicking her in the ribs and calling her a useless whore.

Subtlety was not her family's strong suit.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

I agree, but Asahi was slightly better?

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Sorry if I was unclear, but I meant better written, not a better person. Personality-wise, Asahi was as awful as the rest of them (even if he didn't show his true colors right away) but at least he was slightly more interesting than just a walking, talking tragic backstory for Yotsuyu, meant to do nothing more than soften her own outlandishly evil actions and paint her in a more sympathetic light. I have the strong suspicion that SE went too far with Yotsuyu in making her evil enough so everyone would hate her and then had to one-up themselves with the "evil step-parents" trope in order to soften that hate and try to ensure that their 4.3 finale would have enough of an emotional punch.

Honestly the whole main story line dealing with Yotsuyu from 4.0 to now was very heavy-handed and at times it really felt like SE was leading us along by the nose from quest to quest going "Here, feel this emotion" or "Now have this reaction." I get that all storytellers do this to some degree but most have the finesse to not make it so danged obvious. At times they might as well have been holding up those "Applause" or "Aww" cards for a studio audience. I was genuinely surprised by how much I did enjoy the end and impressed with the tiny bit of depth they gave the story at the very last part of the last cutscene.

4.3 spoilers-

I.e. how Yotsuyu was neither totally evil (as she was in 4.0) or totally innocent (as she was with amnesia) but had the teensiest bit of grey in her lingering affection for Gosetsu. Still, I was relieved both when she was still an evil, vengeful b*tch after recovering her memory and when they killed her off.

Oh, no, I understood what you meant. I just meant that I kind of felt the same about him as the parents.

I can agree that the ultimate end characterization for Yotsuyu didn't disappoint as much as I feared it would, though.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I can't remember the exact details of the conversation, but I think Emmanellain was a bit hysterical at that point? Whether Thancred should have done it or not (or just told him off without actually hitting him - which may not have had the same impact, as it were), it was part of Emm's "turning point" where he started to take more responsibility for his actions.

I'm also not sure if we were okay with it, so much as it caught us by surprise as well, and we didn't want to intervene. Or there just wasn't much point to intervening after Thancred had already hit him. He deserved the talking-to. He'd been prettymuch an irresponsible idiot all through the story up to that point.

I think I need to watch this bit again. The fragmented gameplay and cutscene storytelling makes it harder to go back over the story though.

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Watching the scene again, the WoL is about to punch Emmanallein themselves, but Thancred intervenes. He tries to talk Em down, but Em's in hysterics and punches Thancred. Thancred no-sells it, then knocks him on his ass, tells him more or less to man the hell up, and walks off.

Yeah, I didn't really want to punch him in the context of that scene, but I did want to slap him upside the head for just sitting there and watching the guard shoot that woman twice for just speaking before asking him what he's doing.

To be fair, the woman did also just poison the WoL and was trying to incite a riot at a peace conference. It was a messy situation.

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Originally Posted by Pastahnak

Says the knock off Draco Malfoy

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I regret nothing. Go back to your beast tribe corner, in the Steppes.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

You can send me the money for a Fantasia anytime then.

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I'd rather not waste it.

Maybe in the future, they can create default combat animations for each race to use in cutscenes, much like in the same way some emotes are animated according the race being place. For example (just some ideas)

-Hyur: A punch to the face
-Miqote: Clawed attack
-Roegadyn: A throw
-Lalafell: This is a hard one. Maybe a running a start to get a dropkick in.
-Aura: Tail whip.

As you can see, the idea is to get the WoL to perform a combat action that the everyday person could do without a weapon or job (stone).

I still owe Yuyuhase several thousand knocks to his noggin...

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

Yeah, I didn't really want to punch him in the context of that scene, but I did want to slap him upside the head for just sitting there and watching the guard shoot that woman twice for just speaking before asking him what he's doing.

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I don’t think that’s a fair description of what he did. He made the poor choice of simply ordering the guard to “do something”, but that ties in with the broader plot point that he tends to sit back and let other people make difficult decisions for him - and in this case he’s horrified by what that decision was. It’s clear he didn’t expect the guard to shoot her - let alone a second time, when he’s possibly too shocked to respond.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I don’t think that’s a fair description of what he did. He made the poor choice of simply ordering the guard to “do something”, but that ties in with the broader plot point that he tends to sit back and let other people make difficult decisions for him - and in this case he’s horrified by what that decision was. It’s clear he didn’t expect the guard to shoot her - let alone a second time, when he’s possibly too shocked to respond.

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Yeah and we should not forget that the death of one of his brothers was still quite fresh at that point, he was not used to being in charge because of his status as baby brother and he just simply panicked. Thancred himself was also just quite frustated at that point and also just took it out on him. I am not fine that they showed the WoL with a fist too because I honestly just felt bad for him. Because its like you said, he was not ready telling the guard to shot her but just to do something and seeing how this was in a rebellion where the WoL already got poisoned and probably quite some people injured, its not like its completely out of the realm to shot her. (And it was not a deathly one either) I mean yes the best solution would have been to just arrest her somehow but he again was never really in charge of anything anyway and never have been in such conflicts.

I dont really want to slap many NPCs (but I do wanna talk some down and tell them to be more respectful to either the WoL or other people) but I wish the WoL would stop letting people get away. At the beginning and through SB where we somehow just let that Roe run away, felt just too strange. This was an enemy that was going to kill us. We were at war..at least take him out and arrest him if you dont outright kill him. But letting him run away felt like I was just watching that one part of Hildibrand with the old people..

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I dont really want to slap many NPCs (but I do wanna talk some down and tell them to be more respectful to either the WoL or other people) but I wish the WoL would stop letting people get away. At the beginning and through SB where we somehow just let that Roe run away, felt just too strange. This was an enemy that was going to kill us. We were at war..at least take him out and arrest him if you dont outright kill him. But letting him run away felt like I was just watching that one part of Hildibrand with the old people..

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There's a cutscene early on in the Alexander storyline where the Illuminati leader and his two lackeys are LITERALLY SURROUNDED by the WoL, Mide, Cid, Biggs, Wedge and Backrix... and they just let him monologue for 5 minutes and then he walks away. Like they're not even doing anything, just standing around talking.

Why dont you just shoot them you have at least one person with a gun!

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Originally Posted by Ameela

There's a cutscene early on in the Alexander storyline where the Illuminati leader and his two lackeys are LITERALLY SURROUNDED by the WoL, Mide, Cid, Biggs, Wedge and Backrix... and they just let him monologue for 5 minutes and then he walks away. Like they're not even doing anything, just standing around talking.

Why dont you just shoot them you have at least one person with a gun!

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I know there is a trope name for this, but basically every piece of entertainment does "let the villain monologue" because it shows how haughty/narcissistic/oblivious they are to reality. A non-canon-fodder villain would never reveal their plan, and leave the good guys to guess what their endgame is. "We" want to know the villain's plan because it wouldn't make for good entertainment if we did all this and the villain was just wanting attention and really did it because they could.

Like Zenos endgame isn't really isn't known. We know he wants to become more powerful by any means, but he treats basically everyone as toys.

Papalymo is already dead, so my number 1 spot is gone already.

Hmm... number 2 has to go to Kan-E-Senna's siblings, the 2 junior white mages that are the white mage job quest givers. In the HW storyline you were put up against a necromancer and the lore behind it was interesting if not a little open-ended. As someone who enjoys the more occult themes, I wasn't very pleased with having to strike it down all because some tree spirit halfway down the continent didn't like it. I would also like to cut down said tree and use it for firewood to burn my poop on Hauchefaunt's Grave because of how much of a thorn that thing has been for the dumbest of reasons.

I did the lvl 25 Arcanist class quest last night and wanted to punch the arc guild leader so hard. Lurking around on rooftops, won't even face you when talking to you. Talks big on "muh strategy" and "muh math", is just a lame nerd who tries too hard to be an anime protag.

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I did the lvl 25 Arcanist class quest last night and wanted to punch the arc guild leader so hard. Lurking around on rooftops, won't even face you when talking to you. Talks big on "muh strategy" and "muh math", is just a lame nerd who tries too hard to be an anime protag.

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A genius nerd though - Thubyrgeim mentions that they're tolerant of his long absences and eccentricities because he keeps them updated on his theories on advanced arcanima. (paraphrased from memory, but my alt character only joined the guild yesterday.)

But yes, annoying as heck. Don't make me dance in public! D:

Yes please! If they add this feature I do gladly redo the entire MSQ just to punch Ungust all day long. Oh, I also want to give the PvP introduces a couple of knuckle sandwiches for being such a pottymouth and just a general mean person.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Like Zenos endgame isn't really isn't known. We know he wants to become more powerful by any means, but he treats basically everyone as toys.

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Zenos's only real goal is to find more strong people to fight. He treats people like crap to make them rise up against him so he can keep fighting. He's only interested in the WoL because we don't immediately die when he looks at us funny.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Zenos's only real goal is to find more strong people to fight. He treats people like crap to make them rise up against him so he can keep fighting. He's only interested in the WoL because we don't immediately die when he looks at us funny.

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I personally like Zenos for several reasons, foremost being that I believe story line had evolved to a point whereby we needed a clear cut powerful and ruthless villain.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

There's a cutscene early on in the Alexander storyline where the Illuminati leader and his two lackeys are LITERALLY SURROUNDED by the WoL, Mide, Cid, Biggs, Wedge and Backrix... and they just let him monologue for 5 minutes and then he walks away. Like they're not even doing anything, just standing around talking.

Why dont you just shoot them you have at least one person with a gun!

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Exactly. Such situations are annoying because they just exists so that we would have a fight later but then why not make it in a way that gives us no other chance, like short time paralysis or something.

One example that makes more sense but behind spoilers if someone did not do latest patch:

Asahi for example did make at least a bit sense because we still did not want to kill someone that was seen as a emissary (and one could argue that we knew that Yotsuyu was not saveable or maybe the WoL did harbour some bad feelings towards her) but an enemy that later even might return in a harder version..thats just bad writing imo.