Is it a ToS violation to /sh spoiler of other video games?

Just want to know. :mad:

It would be a bit of a jerk thing to do, if nothing else.

A jerk move but not against the rules

Nah. If you want to avoid spoilers effectively you need to completely avoid the internet.

What sort of question is this?

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Originally Posted by ErdrickLoto

It would be a bit of a jerk thing to do, if nothing else.

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I'm not surprised at who is asking this question though...

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Originally Posted by Khubla_Kha

What sort of question is this?

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Seems like a pretty legitimate concern. It really should be against the ToS. Personally, I find it more harassing than if someone were to tell me my DPS is too low :\

Sadly it isnt, but when you have to ask if something could be against the ToS you probably just shouldnt do it - specially when its something like this were people get legit pissed off about

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Sadly it isnt, but when you have to ask if something could be against the ToS you probably just shouldnt do it - specially when its something like this were people get legit pissed off about

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I was assuming that someone shouted spoilers about FFXV and they wanted to report them, and were wondering if it was reportable.

Starwars isn't as good as people think it is. Neither is Frozen.

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Having a video game ruined isn't a traumatizing event. If it is then you need to sort your life. This is not something that should be a violation of ToS. BL the person if they are saying something you don't like whether it is related to games, religion, politics, or just a bad attitude. If it is something that's actually bad behavior which violates ToS or simply basic decency then report them if you feel it necessary.

Someone spoiling some other video game is not a reason for them to be banned (temp or perm) from this game. Get over yourselves.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Just want to know. :mad:

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Do you ever post anything which isn't sociopathic in nature? Serious question.

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Originally Posted by Khubla_Kha

Having a video game ruined isn't a traumatizing event. If it is then you need to sort your life. This is not something that should be a violation of ToS. BL the person if they are saying something you don't like whether it is related to games, religion, politics, or just a bad attitude. If it is something that's actually bad behavior which violates ToS or simply basic decency then report them if you feel it necessary.

Someone spoiling some other video game is not a reason for them to be banned (temp or perm) from this game. Get over yourselves.

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I disagree with your last sentence. It's people being purposefully a jerk to the community. That needs to be policed. I wouldn't say a perm ban, but if it's found that the offender was doing so just to upset others, a temp ban should be necessary. If it was an accident and they exclaimed something without thinking, due to their excitement or what-have-you, then no they shouldn't.

Nothing in the game should be a 'traumatizing event', and if a ban requires that, then bans shouldn't exist in the game. Luckily for us, requirements for bans don't include induced trauma.

I have personally never been so invested in to any form of entertainment that spoiler effected me one way or another.

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Originally Posted by Khubla_Kha

Someone spoiling some other video game is not a reason for them to be banned (temp or perm) from this game. Get over yourselves.

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The fact you think that is sad.

questions what is ToS? im lost T_T

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Originally Posted by Pintsized

The fact you think that is sad.

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I would counter with the fact that you feel the opposite is true is sad. It's a video game. Again, get over it. Nothing serious going on here. It's a video game. If you're so invested in a video game that it wrecks your life to have it spoiled you need a serious perspective adjustment.

PS. Again, I encourage you to BL anyone that is saying things you don't like. But a game spoiler is not and should not be a bannable offense.

Just as saying that you don't like licorice and saying/ranting about it in /sh isn't and shouldn't be a bannable offense. They are of equal impact.

And no not everything "requires policing", JFC.

Note* Not all of this was in direct reply to you Pintsized

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Originally Posted by Axxion

questions what is ToS? im lost T_T

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Terms of Service. The thing you agree to in order to play the game. The thing that says, but not limited to, SE can terminate your account for any reason they so wish, should they deem it.

Also, no, spoiling anything, even story for current patches, let alone other games, is not a breach in ToS. You don't have to agree with it; that is simply the truth of the matter.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Terms of Service. The thing you agree to in order to play the game. The thing that says, but not limited to, SE can terminate your account for any reason they so wish, should they deem it.

Also, no, spoiling anything, even story for current patches, let alone other games, is not a breach in ToS. You don't have to agree with it; that is simply the truth of the matter.

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You could have just said what tos stand for >_> but nothing the less thanks for telling me

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Originally Posted by Axxion

You could have just said what tos stand for >_> but nothing the less thanks for telling me

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I could have, but I was addressing something else that is being said by other people. I'm not someone who enjoys double posting anywhere.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

I could have, but I was addressing something else that is being said by other people. I'm not someone who enjoys double posting anywhere.

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i understand that but you did have to give the definition

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Seems like a pretty legitimate concern. It really should be against the ToS. Personally, I find it more harassing than if someone were to tell me my DPS is too low :\

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In that case, why not make it where talking politics in the game bans you because I don't want to hear politics? How about we ban people that don't want newbies in their party?

Banning people over spoilers is asinine beyond belief and sounds like nothing more than someone wanting to be the thought police.

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Originally Posted by Khubla_Kha

Having a video game ruined isn't a traumatizing event. If it is then you need to sort your life. This is not something that should be a violation of ToS. BL the person if they are saying something you don't like whether it is related to games, religion, politics, or just a bad attitude. If it is something that's actually bad behavior which violates ToS or simply basic decency then report them if you feel it necessary.

Someone spoiling some other video game is not a reason for them to be banned (temp or perm) from this game. Get over yourselves.

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I pretty much agree with this sentiment. I got spoiled over things like GoT and I just shrug my shoulders. I see it as something I'll find out eventually and it doesn't do anything to weaken the experience. On the server, people were openly talking about what happened in a recent Walking Dead episode and I didn't get bent out of shape.

Getting banned over harassment and things like that is understandable but over a spoiler? I chuckled a little.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Nah. If you want to avoid spoilers effectively you need to completely avoid the internet.

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I can attest to this, though "completely" is not necessary. My boss had yet to know about Star Wars Ep.7 spoilers... until lunch last week, when a co-worker spoiled it for him lol. So I guess it's just inevitable that sooner or later something will be spoiled, unless you basically avoid life itself to avoid spoilers.

Dumbledore dies.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

In that case, why not make it where talking politics in the game bans you because I don't want to hear politics? How about we ban people that don't want newbies in their party?

Banning people over spoilers is asinine beyond belief and sounds like nothing more than someone wanting to be the thought police.

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That is a false equivalency. A spoiler is something that you hear that will ruin the experience of media, due to not being able to not hear it. It's not that you just don't like discussing the topic at hand.

The point is also the intent, where the intent of someone spoiling is to simply ruin someone else's experience and/or enjoyment for their own satisfaction. It's a negative behaviour which hurts the community. Discussing politics does not have this same sort of intent.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

The point is also the intent, where the intent of someone spoiling is to simply ruin someone else's experience and/or enjoyment for their own satisfaction.

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That would be harassment, and that is a ToS violation.

Let me just be clear here:
Spoiling something is not the violation. Purposely doing something that you know will negatively impact a person, AKA personal malice, while gaining sadistic pleasure is the violation.

EDIT: RIP daily post limit. Time to go to bed. o7

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

That would be harassment, and that is a ToS violation.

Let me just be clear here:
Spoiling something is not the violation. Purposely doing something that you know will negatively impact a person, AKA personal malice, while gaining sadistic pleasure is the violation.

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While not a ban in the game, weren't there forum bans being handed out at the end of ARR for spoiler topics that weren't tagged as "spoilers" or obviously if the title had one? I recall a sticky thread by one of the CMs posted, warning us about that.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

That would be harassment, and that is a ToS violation.

Let me just be clear here:
Spoiling something is not the violation. Purposely doing something that you know will negatively impact a person, AKA personal malice, while gaining sadistic pleasure is the violation.

EDIT: RIP daily post limit. Time to go to bed. o7

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I'll peel it back a bit on my end and say:

Agreed. But, what you're describing is trolling which is already established as a punishable offense. Simply spoiling a game by way of conversing about the topic or expressing an opinion on the topic is not and shouldn't be a violation. The OP asked if spoiling another game is against ToS. It is not and should not be. You can't just assume the intent when no context is provided.

Objectively, spoiling a game is not against ToS. In the context of trolling sure it is, but most things are when pursued with malice/ill intent toward other members of the community.

And I will reiterate that having a video game spoiled is in no way, shape, or form a traumatizing event. Categorizing it as such implies a level of naivety/world view that is so narrow that it is "mind bottling".

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Originally Posted by Khubla_Kha

Agreed. But, what you're describing is trolling which is already established as a punishable offense. Simply spoiling a game by way of conversing about the topic or expressing an opinion on the topic is not and shouldn't be a violation. The OP asked if spoiling another game is against ToS. It is not and should not be. You can't just assume the intent when no context is provided.

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The context was given was shouting. If you are just randomly shouting spoilers, the intent is fairly clear. If you're in the middle of a conversation and a spoiler slips, then it's clearly not. It may vary depending on server, but regular conversations don't happen via shout that I see.

I would definitely report that under harassment. 'Spoilers' may not be explicitly against the ToS, but deliberately doing things to upset other players definitely is.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

The context was given was shouting. If you are just randomly shouting spoilers, the intent is fairly clear. If you're in the middle of a conversation and a spoiler slips, then it's clearly not. It may vary depending on server, but regular conversations don't happen via shout that I see.

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Regular conversations occur via shout every single day in which I've played on 3 different servers. See how your and my personal experiences differ? This is not a valid argument as proof of trolling.

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Originally Posted by Khubla_Kha

Regular conversations occur via shout every single day in which I've played on 3 different servers. See how your and my personal experiences differ? This is not a valid argument as proof of trolling.

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Providing reasoning for assumed context is not the same thing as providing evidence.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Providing reasoning for assumed context is not the same thing as providing evidence.

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Providing assumed intent is not the same thing as providing evidence.

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Originally Posted by Khubla_Kha

Providing assumed intent is not the same thing as providing evidence.

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That is literally what I just said. ?

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

That is literally what I just said. ?

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Right. It's applicable to your statement as much as mine. Figured you might not have noticed that since you were pointing it out to me as if I didn't (I did by the way) as your statements were making as much assumption as mine.

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Originally Posted by Khubla_Kha

Right. It's applicable to your statement as much as mine. Figured you might not have noticed that since you were pointing it out to me as if I didn't (I did by the way) as your statements were making as much assumption as mine.

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It sounded as if you thought I was attempting to provide evidence for an argument, when I wasn't making an argument. I was providing reasoning for my assumption that guided my opinion.

Last I heard from a GM, pretty much anything that can be interpretable as something that can offend someone, AND the GM agrees, (even if its not an insult, but just information abot something they dislike) then it is. (Though Ive never seen this rule myself.)

In short, if the GM who was told doesnt like it, you're probably getting in trouble.
If the GM finds it funny, then you probably wont. (though u still can in some cases)

From Fantasy XIV FINAL FANTASY® XIVUser Agreement:

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3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

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"Game experience" is kind of wide definition, so technically that could include acting like a jerk on a region-wide channel such as Shout ;)

Does the blacklist not exist for this exact reason? To ignore and block out players you don't like without crying "Harassment" to the GMs (who have better things to do).

You have been extremely vague in your title post, are they being antagonising? intentionally disruptive? or are they having a discussion through shout? because the answer is based on how they act.