Just a thought (Haurchefant and Shiva)

SPOILER ALERT!!! (Thanks for the reminder WinterLuna, and srry about that XP )
So its been a while so I really can't give out specifics, you know since we wait so long for new stuff to come out I happen to forget details like *snap* buuuuuut I do remember Haurchefant (I dunno how to spell it) died by light beam to the back and just happened to die ( even though I was a healer and he was still talking >_> ). Just fyi, I don't like Haurchef-....we'll call him Harry for now, as cool as he was for taking us in, I still think he just did it to get in my miqote jeans. Ok so that parts done.

Shiva, I friggen love shiva. I think Lady Ice Heart is awesome. She dies too....in an awesome way by fighting a giant battle ship. So boss. Now the question, we now have Sir Aymeric or whatever his name is. He also wants some as soon as Harry bites the dust. So we now have a basic replacement for Harry....where's our replacement for Iceheart? One who felt guilt for the path she chose, fought for good in the end along the Warrior of Light and she wasn't too far off on her path to peace. Plus who would blame her seeing how stupid Ishgardians are claiming war and being quick to poison people and crap....I wanted to shoot that lady with an arrow too actually (you'd know who I'm talking about if you played through the story as of late).

So the tldr: Haurchefant (w/e) is now Sir Aymeric basically. Can we have a replacement feels for Lady Iceheart? (Assuming you won't bring her back as most of the character's I happen to love who die X( )

Spoiler alert! ;p

They totally missed another huge opportunity by killing Iceheart. There was so much potential there to make a very dramatic, engaging and interesting storyline and they killed it with a pew pew. I had quite a few choice words when I saw that cs that will get me banned for quite a long time if I repeat them here.

Harry, meh who cares. Never saw the appeal of that one, but then again we got the monotone/censored NA version. But tbh the whole ishgard thing is a bust to me outside of Iceheart. I waited 5 years to walk through those gates and it felt completely anticlimactic when I finally did.

I think Aymeric is a traitor working for the Ascians or something and will be the one we finally have to kill to finish the story line out. Which I will do happily.

No one can replace Our Lady Iceheart.

Haurchefant died after the light spear penetrated his sheild. Through the front, not the back. And no Aymeric isn't Haurchefant.

Plus just having a character come in to replace another one to a tee would be boring.

There are no replacements for either of them
I don't want another goldfish T^T

Haurchefant was our friend, he helped us ever since we first met him at level 30 in camp dragonhead, and has always been there for us and the scions.

Speaking ill of him is just mean. He was a true friend and a pure-hearted chap. You will be missed ;;.

Haurchefant was one of the few characters who seemed genuinely happy to see us whenever we'd turn up, and actually treated us like the ass kicking heroes we are. Haurchefant would always get excited and gush about our achievements while the likes of that cretin Alphinaud would be like "oh you're back from saving the world, hand out these uniforms while I do nothing and take all the credit."

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Haurchefant died after the light spear penetrated his sheild. Through the front, not the back. And no Aymeric isn't Haurchefant.

Plus just having a character come in to replace another one to a tee would be boring.

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My theory for why the light pierced the shield is because..... It was bloody ilvl 1! The shield that they give you in the MST is ilvl 1! No wonder he died D:

No one can replace either of those two, no one. ;-; And Aymeric is not a replacement for Haurchefant, he is simply Aymeric.

harchefant was a bland character imo and honestly i had no friggin clue who he was when he died as literally he was just "another elezen that helps us on our journey" the only reason i know his name now is because of all the people mourning this dude for some reason lol, hes easily replacable to me, just give us some generic elezen and we are good to go.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

So the tldr: Haurchefant (w/e) is now Sir Aymeric basically. Can we have a replacement feels for Lady Iceheart? (Assuming you won't bring her back as most of the character's I happen to love who die X( )

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Look, just get a bunch of ice crystals together and summon Shiva again, that's the closest you'll get to the real thing anyway.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

harchefant was a bland character imo and honestly i had no friggin clue who he was when he died as literally he was just "another elezen that helps us on our journey" the only reason i know his name now is because of all the people mourning this dude for some reason lol, hes easily replacable to me, just give us some generic elezen and we are good to go.

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Gonna take a stab here and say you button mashed through literally all of the story only stopping to watch cutscenes which confused you because you didn't actually know what was happening. Due to the fact that you probably, again, button mashed through /all/ of the story. Otherwise you'd for sure know who he was.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

My theory for why the light pierced the shield is because..... It was bloody ilvl 1! The shield that they give you in the MST is ilvl 1! No wonder he died D:

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Yeah, no. Go do Thordan Ex, you get hit by the same attack, abd if you don't properly mitigate it (have a TANK take the first hit) people die.

So, yeah. Strong attack that can kill us vs npc.

Question is, did Ysayle really die? In 2.x, after you defeat Shiva for the main story, she turns back to Ysayle, talks to you, and then poofs in very much the same way as she did in 3.x story...





(might also be wishful thinking on my part considering Ysayle is my favorite character)

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

Haurchefant was one of the few characters who seemed genuinely happy to see us whenever we'd turn up, and actually treated us like the ass kicking heroes we are. Haurchefant would always get excited and gush about our achievements while the likes of that cretin Alphinaud would be like "oh you're back from saving the world, hand out these uniforms while I do nothing and take all the credit."

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Leave Alpha Nerd alone!

I hated Ysayle. If I had my way I would have put my lance through her murdering heart long before we got to Azys Lla. As for Haurchefant? Just another corpse by the wayside.

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Originally Posted by Krissey

Gonna take a stab here and say you button mashed through literally all of the story only stopping to watch cutscenes which confused you because you didn't actually know what was happening. Due to the fact that you probably, again, button mashed through /all/ of the story. Otherwise you'd for sure know who he was.

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Somewhat correct, i generally skipped anything that was "quest dialogue" but if it was a fully skippable cutscene, no, i didnt, he just didnt leave an impression on me big enough to remember him, on top of the fact his face and clothes were generic clothes everyone wears

Going through again on an alt and paying a bit more attention to detail and i notice him more but hes still bland

*sigh*
Do not believe what you have seen so far!
If I had learned anything from playing Decades of Final Fantasy, its never as it seems to be!!

My guess is that either Ysayle, or her spirit, or Ysayle as Shiva, will play a major part for when we end up dealing with or saving Einstein.

If I remember the lecture correctly, primals don't die, but rather stay in Aether Land until they are summoned again. Assuming Shiva is similar, I really wouldn't be surprised if Ysayle/Shiva does make an appearance somewhere in the future.

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

If I remember the lecture correctly, primals don't die, but rather stay in Aether Land until they are summoned again.

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I'm still hoping thats the case, and maybe when she gets back we can learn how to transform as well, but that's just wishful thinking.

You can never replace Ysayle and Haurchefant. :( The latter isn't even like Aymeric at all, they're just both Ishgardians who have showed some affection to the WoL...

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

harchefant was a bland character imo and honestly i had no friggin clue who he was when he died as literally he was just "another elezen that helps us on our journey" the only reason i know his name now is because of all the people mourning this dude for some reason lol, hes easily replacable to me, just give us some generic elezen and we are good to go.

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BLASPHEMY

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Originally Posted by FJerome

Look, just get a bunch of ice crystals together and summon Shiva again, that's the closest you'll get to the real thing anyway.

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Yoshi didn't implement that mechanic yet, still looking forward to it X)

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

My guess is that either Ysayle, or her spirit, or Ysayle as Shiva, will play a major part for when we end up dealing with or saving Einstein.

If I remember the lecture correctly, primals don't die, but rather stay in Aether Land until they are summoned again. Assuming Shiva is similar, I really wouldn't be surprised if Ysayle/Shiva does make an appearance somewhere in the future.

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Except Shiva was basically a powerful being being controlled by someone else. Considering that the WOL and the Scions don't want to be summoning primals, I wouldn't expect Shiva to return, but perhaps Ysayle herself will appear again in some way that doesn't involve primals.

Vidofnir becomes the new bridge between dragons and Ishgardians. In essence, she has replaced Lady iceheart.

Still think Moenbryda is the only one that kicked the bucket that actually got shit done and a damn shame too. Furthermore I dislike pointless deaths. Ysayle and Haurchefant didn't deserve that yet they will backpedal no problem with the loli Sultana. Disconcerting. Kinda why I take very little of that seriously.

I think one draw of Greystone was they literally used him as their reasoning why PLD can't block magic. Insult to injury IMO.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

harchefant was a bland character imo and honestly i had no friggin clue who he was when he died as literally he was just "another elezen that helps us on our journey" the only reason i know his name now is because of all the people mourning this dude for some reason lol, hes easily replacable to me, just give us some generic elezen and we are good to go.

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You clearly never watched cutscenes or paid attention to quest text.

Haurchefant has been there since 2.0 leveling, ever since level 30, and showed up countless times throughout the leveling and level 50 plot (as well as being the only reason house fortemps took us in when we went to foundation), and had a cute personality as well as quite a bit of depth. If you don't know who is, then that reeks of you skipping the majority of cutscenes and not paying attention at all.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

You clearly never watched cutscenes or paid attention to quest text.

Haurchefant has been there since 2.0 leveling, ever since level 30, and showed up countless times throughout the leveling and level 50 plot (as well as being the only reason house fortemps took us in when we went to foundation), and had a cute personality as well as quite a bit of depth. If you don't know who is, then that reeks of you skipping the majority of cutscenes and not paying attention at all.

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I remember one quest where we talked to an ishgardian in coerthas as part of a mission, but it was easily forgettable as he didn't really stand out from the other characters around the WoL until Heavensward (imo). Not to mention how freakishly huge the lore is in this game that makes me forget little meetings, and for some people I happen to take part in every sidequest to see what I can find that's new differentiating from the dungeon spamming. Like the Malkot family. Love em. The hunter quests in Dravania, poor chocobos X(. Not much I can name because most after that they all threw cliche's and bland commentary at you that just makes you go " uuuhhhhhhh" and its generally uninteresting unless you like every bit of information that wouldn't benefit you.

I love fun stories. Harry, he was no fun to me, it just seemed like i was pushed to do more work for being in his presence just to "survive" even though I'm the WoL, a**kicker of Odin and gods alike. That's just me though. Your all entitled to your opinions and such. Some just don't like Harry or think much of Aymeric.....or Ysale *twitch*. X)

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

You clearly never watched cutscenes or paid attention to quest text.

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read the above quote that is directed at you as it will be more or less my response as well, he was a minor character that was rather forgettable,i dont really remember characters that have a minor plot point or that i just dont care about.honestly the saddest thing about his death to me was that he died for literaly no reason, my plot armor wouldhave protected me had he not been there at all, he shouldnt have died protecting me he sould have died fighting or something.i get they wanted to make it emotional, but this is something they should have done with a character that has a little more relevance to the overall story, such as a scion or perhaps even shiva

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

I love fun stories. Harry, he was no fun to me, it just seemed like i was pushed to do more work for being in his presence just to "survive" even though I'm the WoL, a**kicker of Odin and gods alike. That's just me though. Your all entitled to your opinions and such. Some just don't like Harry or think much of Aymeric.....or Ysale *twitch*. X)

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> He helps you find your ship
> He helps you fight the Dravanian knights
> He has supplies sent to Revenant's Toll
> He gives you a place to stay when you become a fugitive and persuades his family to take you in
> He saves you from the Vanu Vanu
> He helps you against Charibert
> He literally saves your life

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

he shouldnt have died protecting me he sould have died fighting or something.i get they wanted to make it emotional, but this is something they should have done with a character that has a little more relevance to the overall story, such as a scion or perhaps even shiva

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His whole raison d'etre and reason for becoming a knight was to protect and help those in need. Not only did he gave his life protecting someone important to him, but by saving the WoL he indirectly saved Eorzea by protecting its saviour. That's pretty poignant IMO.

Haurchefant was the first character who treated the WoL like a person, rather than a tool to meet their selfish ends. when our Coerthas quests were done, he seemed legitimately sad he wouldn't see us again for a while, so I would visit him every day in-game just to read his flavor text. That is how important Haurchefant was to a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

Somewhat correct, i generally skipped anything that was "quest dialogue" but if it was a fully skippable cutscene, no, i didnt, he just didnt leave an impression on me big enough to remember him, on top of the fact his face and clothes were generic clothes everyone wears

Going through again on an alt and paying a bit more attention to detail and i notice him more but hes still bland

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He's much less bland if you have the japanese cutscenes and the japanese dialogue. He hits on your character a bit, says stuff like how it's warmer in his bed chambers. They made him much more bland in the Eng cutscenes. He also has a chapter dedicated outside of this game that talks about his backstory more. Haurchefant of the Silver Fuller.

I can't believe anyone would feel this way.. About Haurchefant.. about any of the characters..

Haurchefant was the best thing to happen to FFXIV, and my love for him as a character is what keeps me playing.. He gave an otherwise soulless story arc a soul, and the game is lesser without him there.

To think anyone feels so coldy about him and the characters in the game just pains me so much and I don't understand it..

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Furthermore I dislike pointless deaths. Ysayle and Haurchefant didn't deserve that yet they will backpedal no problem with the loli Sultana. Disconcerting. Kinda why I take very little of that seriously.

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Of all the character that should have stayed dead it was Nanamo it was the big ended to ARR and then in the expansion they just hit the reset button the whole think with a quick quest. What was the point of all the drama? Just a convoluted way for the Scions to "die"? We know they didn't die too I guess they needed characters to die to make up for that in HW. Haurchefant was probably the most emotional one to choose given how long he's been in the story if you read the quest text and he doesn't have some sort of plot armour like those more involved with the WoL. Ysayle I guess fell under that catagory too and that's a shame because she had a good character arc starting as an enemy and somebody else with the echo who had her own quest. They could have done a lot more with her I think after she saw the mistakes she made and wanted to set things right. Would have been interesting for They seem like they feel they have to create characters to die for drama now because they don't want to kill off some others. I honestly wished after the whole ARR ending drama that we had to rebuild the Scions instead of just having them find some deus ex magic to save them. Having a new group in HW felt fresh then they use them as sacrificial drama lambs so they can justify bringing the original group back.

Would have liked to see Ysayle become a Scion and get some redemption where Ishgard and her need to learn to forget the past and accept each other and she later does something to redeem herself much like the whole Dragon saving a little girl thing.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

> He helps you find your ship
> He helps you fight the Dravanian knights
> He has supplies sent to Revenant's Toll
> He gives you a place to stay when you become a fugitive and persuades his family to take you in
> He saves you from the Vanu Vanu
> He helps you against Charibert
> He literally saves your life

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His whole raison d'etre and reason for becoming a knight was to protect and help those in need. Not only did he gave his life protecting someone important to him, but by saving the WoL he indirectly saved Eorzea by protecting its saviour. That's pretty poignant IMO.

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If I recall I think we needed permission to enter certain areas of Coerthas because Cid lost his ship there, which is the reason he helped

Dravanian Knights? Can't remember so I'm guessing he auto attacked like a random npc while I nuked everything to oblivion.

Last I checked we received plenty of donations for our recent endeavors. saving the world and stuff

Yeah he was nice to allow us to stay in his home, I'll give him that. Still be the bomb if we actually had to survive in the wilds of Ishgard to survive, that'd be awesome X)

I never need saving, specially from fat birds. We took on Bismarck and screwed them all over (which cutscene was that btw? I really don't remember us being in any immediate danger in Heavensward)

He chose to fight, makes him a nice guy but never did anything noticeable aside from Alphy who pulls out a onyx carbuncle every once in a while (special little...)

That light beam to my back most likely wouldn't of killed me if I can take just about anything to the face and or back

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Like good ol' Dante X)

Though he died for me, its valiant yes but it was unneeded so he's pretty cool now that I think about it more. Though I don't really care for him much still. As much as I haaaaatteeee Alphy sometimes, he either comes to help, making amends to the stupid yet honest mistake he made or help in battle as much as possible. Minfilia who I didn't like too much gave her life to save Hydalynn which is like, awesome sauce (or something like that...hmm...). But those are main characters so I guess they kinda had time to settle in my brain for a bit. Maybe Moenbryda? For as short of time I had with her, every moment was fun and she just kicked ass....and died. Even if she didn't die and went back to some far off island I'd still remember her just for kicking butt.

So yeah, everything else was completely unnoticeable to me besides Lady Iceheart, maybe that one moment I helped feed those poor people in Foundation but that's about it, nothing sticks out, it kinda just blends in....sadly. I'd like to mention class quest characters but I'm sure some will never come back so there'd be no point. I don't hate Harry btw, I just don't think of him much. Like Quickthinx or w/e the little girl ones name is in the Alexander quest. I'm not going to remember much of her words or actions because it just melds in with the rest of it. Shame the music doesn't do it justice but that's just to me. Well now I'm rambling lol, take all of it as you will.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

If I recall I think we needed permission to enter certain areas of Coerthas because Cid lost his ship there, which is the reason he helped

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Right, but he didn't have to. He could've written off the WoL like all of the other Ishgardians did - an outsider.

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That light beam to my back most likely wouldn't of killed me if I can take just about anything to the face and or back

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Your genre savvy is showing. Yeah we know that on a meta level we basically have plot armor +5, but if you look at the spear of light and what it does in Thordan EX (it inflicts an infirmity debuff that makes you literally unable to heal whoever is hit with it until it wears off) it's actually pretty plausible that Zephirin could have killed the WoL with that attack had Haurchefant not intervened.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Haurchefant was our friend, he helped us ever since we first met him at level 30 in camp dragonhead, and has always been there for us and the scions.

Speaking ill of him is just mean. He was a true friend and a pure-hearted chap. You will be missed ;;.

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I hear that he is more foward with affections (?) to you, the WoL in the Japanese language. :o!

Spoiler thread, spoiler reply below!

I personally was cheering for a Estinien x Ysayle relationship development. At the end they were just beginning to understand each other and it pains me to see the hopes of that dashed.

Course I yelled a few choice words at the screen when Estinien decided to try using even more of Nidhoggs power even though he was already barely holding onto his sanity as it was.
His stupidity (Or the bad character plot development?) makes me a little mad when I see him reappear now.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I personally was cheering for a Estinien x Ysayle relationship development. At the end they were just beginning to understand each other and it pains me to see the hopes of that dashed.

Course I yelled a few choice words at the screen when Estinien decided to try using even more of Nidhoggs power even though he was already barely holding onto his sanity as it was.
His stupidity (Or the bad character plot development?) makes me a little mad when I see him reappear now.

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Estinien x Ysayle is my most favourite romantic pairing in the whole game. If we don't get a ship moment where she appears and helps him gain control of myself I'm throwing my remote out the window, gosh darn it.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Last I checked we received plenty of donations for our recent endeavors. saving the world and stuff

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Most of them haven't been as closed off as Ishgard was - they were the guys you didn't call when you needed backup and expect them to show up, because generally they were only concerned about Isghardian affairs, and from that alone it's a different situation.

That being said, it's also not really Haurchefant's thing anyway - the supplies being sent was part of developing relations that was spear headed more by Aymeric, partially to build positive relations outside of Ishgard but also as a bargaining chip for having them watch over Midgardsormr's remains due to the concern over the call going out to the Dravinian Horde. It was pretty much a political you scatch my back, I'll scratch yours situation, with the negotiations largely in favor of the Ishgardians.

Haurchefant was involved in making sure the supplies made it to Revenant's Toll, and I'm sure he did so gladly, but it's not the same as the other things on the list.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Yeah we know that on a meta level we basically have plot armor +5

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In one sense, Haurchefant jumping in the way and taking the hit for us was our plot armor in action.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

That being said, it's also not really Haurchefant's thing anyway - the supplies being sent was part of developing relations that was spear headed more by Aymeric, partially to build positive relations outside of Ishgard but also as a bargaining chip for having them watch over Midgardsormr's remains due to the concern over the call going out to the Dravinian Horde. It was pretty much a political you scatch my back, I'll scratch yours situation, with the negotiations largely in favor of the Ishgardians.

Haurchefant was involved in making sure the supplies made it to Revenant's Toll, and I'm sure he did so gladly, but it's not the same as the other things on the list.

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I may be wrong since I don't remember the specifics of each scene, but I believe it was Haurchefant/ House Fortemps who took the initiative in sending supplies to RT. Then when the heretics waylaid the caravans and Ishgard starting calling for restrictions on the sending of aid to Mor Dhona, Aymeric stepped in to assure they would continue in exchange for our surveillance of Middy.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

Course I yelled a few choice words at the screen when Estinien decided to try using even more of Nidhoggs power even though he was already barely holding onto his sanity as it was.
His stupidity (Or the bad character plot development?) makes me a little mad when I see him reappear now.

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He wasn't trying to use more power when he took both eyes though, he was going to take them somewhere to either seal away or be destroyed so it would never be a problem again. Unless you mean before then, but he has shown he has enough willpower to overcome one eye.