Will we EVER be able to glamour gear that we cannot wear???

Like ever?? Will we? It would be nice. seriously, maybe if devs see enough post like this they will change it

Just wondering ^^

I hope so, I would love to have some DRG gear on my NIN but alas it is not happening at the moment.

I hope not.
I think it's eally better to be able to know which job you are at looking at you instead of having to open the box to see your class.
I'm not doing RP at all, but i like the way it is now.

More general stuff, ok, but do not remove specific job gear.

You should be able to tell what role they are just by the weapon. The clothes should be interchangeable since we can glamour gear that is open to all roles. All parties can fight in bikinis, chocobos or moogle outfit.

Edit. - Why can't we edit our posts on our phones? Damn autocorrect!

Exactly, there is also the player bar at the top that also shows the class/job as well. If you can have a WAR in a Bikini, why can I not have the DRG helm on my NIN?

I doubt it- I have never seen an MMO glamour system where you could glamour items your class/job were unable to wear.

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Exactly, there is also the player bar at the top that also shows the class/job as well. If you can have a WAR in a Bikini, why can I not have the DRG helm on my NIN?

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Because dragoon helm is a special type of armor given to only dragoons? Theres a difference between a bathing suit and armor given to a specific job (only)

I agree, the only glamour restriction I would accept is on AF gear.

I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. Personally I like the look of some armor pieces and would like to be able to glam it to other classes.

If you cant wear it, you cannot glamour it.
Its agains logic and common sense to do it otherwise.

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Originally Posted by winny

I hope not.
I think it's eally better to be able to know which job you are at looking at you instead of having to open the box to see your class.
I'm not doing RP at all, but i like the way it is now.

More general stuff, ok, but do not remove specific job gear.

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Oh gosh I have to click a button! Don't let anyone look different!

This response for this issue has always astounded me.

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

If you cant wear it, you cannot glamour it.
Its agains(*against) logic and common sense to do it otherwise.

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In real life I could wear every outfit. In fact what you say goes against logic and common sense.

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

If you cant wear it, you cannot glamour it.
Its agains logic and common sense to do it otherwise.

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It's also against logic to be a Warrior in a loincloth bikini, yet here we are, Warriors in loincloth bikinis all over the place. It doesn't make sense, but it's fun!

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Originally Posted by winny

I hope not.
I think it's eally better to be able to know which job you are at looking at you instead of having to open the box to see your class.

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Weapon. And if you're in a party with them... class icon. >_>

@OP: I really hope they remove the class/job/dow/dom/doh/dol restrictions on glamouring. This would open so many more options. Currently FFXIV has one of the least friendly wardrobe systems in any MMO.

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

If you cant wear it, you cannot glamour it.
Its agains logic and common sense to do it otherwise.

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So my character magically forgets how to put on plate boots when they're carrying a staff? Or forgets how to wear a robe when they pick up an axe?

There is nothing resembling logic and common sense in that...

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

I doubt it- I have never seen an MMO glamour system where you could glamour items your class/job were unable to wear.

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XI lets you glamour any gear you like, with the rule that you've already leveled that job and are able to wear the gear. So for an example, lets say I have WHM, BLM and NIN leveled up to various points - I am able to mix and match any gear that those jobs are able to wear, at their respective levels, to make my own awesome design.

I think it's a smart way to handle glamours. As others have mentioned, we already see people fighting naked and in bikinis, this won't push the boundaries of realism any farther away.

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

I doubt it- I have never seen an MMO glamour system where you could glamour items your class/job were unable to wear.

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Rift and WildStar, for two. Both of those even removed level restrictions. They also function as you unlock an appearance in a UI, and that "appearance bank" is shared with all your characters, so you can unlock a look on one character but use it in wardrobe on another character.

Far superior to FFXIV's. But at the very least FFXIV could remove the class/etc restriction...

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

I doubt it- I have never seen an MMO glamour system where you could glamour items your class/job were unable to wear.

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XI does just that >_> Got the gear? Got the job a high enough lvl to use said gear? You can use said gear for glamour on any job. Example being, you can have a 99 pld with reforged AF and lockstyle(glamour) that set onto a lvl 30 rdm.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I think it's a smart way to handle glamours.

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It's also free too, which is nice. Instead of having to drop 9k+ (sometimes 30k because for some reason we can't buy in singles yet...) just to glamour 1 piece.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

stuff on no class restriction and no glamour prisms

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Holy crap, having never played XI, I just assumed it was more of the same as FFXIV in this regard. But now that I know they had a better system in their old game than they do in their new one... wtf were you thinking, SE? XD

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Originally Posted by Cuervo78

I agree, the only glamour restriction I would accept is on AF gear.

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This.

Have a restriction on AF gear, but all other gear should be up for grabs for glamour. There is literally no valid argument against that. Between weapon and the job icons, there's no problem identifying jobs.

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

I doubt it- I have never seen an MMO glamour system where you could glamour items your class/job were unable to wear.

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LOTRO originally had restrictions similar to what we have here, but after a while they dropped all those restrictions (class, level, reputation, etc) and let anyone cosmetically wear any gear they want.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

It's also free too, which is nice. Instead of having to drop 9k+ (sometimes 30k because for some reason we can't buy in singles yet...) just to glamour 1 piece.

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That part is awesome as well, but I didn't mention it as I don't see XIV ever going that route :( In my opinion, glamours should be fun and something you can be spontaneous with. Why not give your players a (free) fluff perk in the game? Not everything has to cost gil.

The current XIV system is far too convoluted for its own good. If they're going to insist on keeping the prisms, why on earth do we have to have 5 different levels? Since each prism level takes the exact same crafting material, and the base cost of the prism is identical (or incredibly close), they may as well just have 1 prism for each crafting class.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Holy crap, having never played XI, I just assumed it was more of the same as FFXIV in this regard. But now that I know they had a better system in their old game than they do in their new one... wtf were you thinking, SE? XD

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Theres actually quite a lot of good systems they did in XI, that somehow they managed to either screw up or did them backwards in XIV lol Like how XI has a variety of interesting content that feels different from the rest and keeps you playing everyday, all day and every single month, while in XIV, we just get 2 dungeons and 4 bosses that get outdated and thrown away the next update, causing people to take breaks for months and really makes it feel more like a mobile/facebook game than a mmo :/ Sort of feels like SE really put a lot of love and effort into XI, while in XIV, didn't care much and only cared about money, rather than the thing they've created (old event items in XI are buyable with gil from a npc. Each year. Every year. XIV? $$$$). That's one of the big things a lot of companies who make mmos forget these days. They don't look at their mmo as their child anymore, they just see it as a cash cow

It actually makes you wonder if it's even the same company who did both

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

In real life I could wear every outfit. In fact what you say goes against logic and common sense.

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show me a fireman wearing a police uniform driving a firetruck.

show me a US Marine wearing a Canadian Mountie outfit.

show me a Buckingham Palace Guard standing guard wearing nursing scrubs.

show me a Chicago Bulls player wearing a a Chicago Cubs jersey during an NBA game.

Plz no job specific gear shouldn't be shared. Its iconic for FF imo, drgs wearing drg AF and not whm wearing drg AF.

More general pieces of gear like shared armour should be allowed to be worn by all as its nothing really special.
But one thing tho that makes me kinda not want unlocked glamour as ppl will all be female miqote in bikini armor mixed sets RPing they r a battletorn kitty from the slums of u'ldah.
It doesn't break my immersion but it does make me cringe when ppl dress ugly/ uncoordinated.

Glamour restriction would not be so bad if they were at least consistent:
1. DoW can wear DoM gear but not vice versa.
2. The reusing of gear that's locked to 1 job/class and using it for another job
3. Just recoloring the same gear, but lock each color for different jobs: Sharlayan Set, MNK/NIN typically share recolored version of the same gear

My personal fave is the rainbow (?) set. BRD/MCH wearing ilv80 casting gear, MNKs wearing the crafted i110 healing set, etc

So far the only thing about is Tank wearing heavy armor, although DRG can wearing some of them too

Yes, restrictions should be loosened up, but as many have say keep AF restricted at least

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

show me a fireman wearing a police uniform driving a firetruck.

show me a US Marine wearing a Canadian Mountie outfit.

show me a Buckingham Palace Guard standing guard wearing nursing scrubs.

show me a Chicago Bulls player wearing a a Chicago Cubs jersey during an NBA game.

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None of these are things our characters are doing in game, and it's a horrible analogy to boot. Our character doesn't suddenly stop knowing how to WHM when they switch to BRD, and they certainly don't forget how to wear clothing.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

None of these are things our characters are doing in game, and it's a horrible analogy to boot. Our character doesn't suddenly stop knowing how to WHM when they switch to BRD, and they certainly don't forget how to wear clothing.

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You missed the point of the post, if you can't logicaly wear it, then you can't glamour it, it's not hard to understand, Would look pretty dumb for a whm to be walking around in full heavy armor glamoured, this may be a game and "realism" does not always apply but you kind of have to draw the line SOMEWHERE.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

XI does just that >_> Got the gear? Got the job a high enough lvl to use said gear? You can use said gear for glamour on any job. Example being, you can have a 99 pld with reforged AF and lockstyle(glamour) that set onto a lvl 30 rdm.

It's also free too, which is nice. Instead of having to drop 9k+ (sometimes 30k because for some reason we can't buy in singles yet...) just to glamour 1 piece.

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Never understood why people would pay that much for it, the glamours are incredibly cheap to make and you can't honestly tell me that you don't know at least 1 crafter? between the vendor mats and the crystals a prism is worth maybe 1k tops.

Iconic AF gear (including re-colored versions like the i90 myth gear) should stay job-exclusive. Most of the rest shouldn't. It just requires a second set of class/job identifiers on gear, to show both a list of which jobs are allowed to wear it as real gear and which ones are allowed to wear it as glamour.

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Originally Posted by KagatoAC

Never understood why people would pay that much for it, the glamours are incredibly cheap to make and you can't honestly tell me that you don't know at least 1 crafter? between the vendor mats and the crystals a prism is worth maybe 1k tops.

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Lazyiness, The same reason people buy gill, even tho its incredibly easy to make, just lazy and refuse to put any kind of effort. you would be surprised at what people buy at what price, Even if the item is right next to them on a vendor, they will still buy it off the MB..

I'd be happy just to be able to dye dungeon gear.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

You missed the point of the post, if you can't logicaly wear it, then you can't glamour it, it's not hard to understand, Would look pretty dumb for a whm to be walking around in full heavy armor glamoured, this may be a game and "realism" does not always apply but you kind of have to draw the line SOMEWHERE.

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It would not look "dumb" for a WHM to walk around in armor. Why is the line there for you when currently we can all play in swimsuits or as creepy snowmen or naked? There is no logic in your post. Logically, my character can equip everything she receives, as it's just clothing and it doesn't take rocket science to put on clothing. This is especially true when you already have a class leveled on the same character that "can" wear it.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

I'd be happy just to be able to dye dungeon gear.

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Well yes. This is also desperately needed to bring FFXIV's wardrobe system to something even remotely close to on par with other MMOs.

100% in favor of this. I'd be fine with the AF gear being job-locked, but there's no reason my DRG shouldn't be able to wear the Divine Light set when she can wear a bikini, a snowman suit, or a wedding dress to fight in.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

if you can't logicaly wear it, then you can't glamour it, it's not hard to understand, Would look pretty dumb for a whm to be walking around in full heavy armor glamoured

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And...so? It would look dumb, ok, and so why not let us look dumb? That's more choice to have and isn't that a good thing? Or would you like to see everyone wearing the same, exact glamoured outfits?
Plus, I'd love to use more dumb stuff on me if I had the chance. I would LOVE to use the 50 weaver set on another class/job or the reindeer but I can't due to this pretty weird restriction - and yes I call weird, because it only applies on very speficic pieces of armor.

PS: about the FFXI glamour being free, I think the glamour in FFXIV could've been better if we paid gil instead: would've been a great gil sink instead of...you know...spending million on houses that barely anyone can afford.

To be honest, XIV's glamour system is one of the worst for an MMO: far to restrictive for no valid reason other than to have the restriction, not to mention clunky as all hell.

I'd prefer DCU Online's system for both glamours and dyes, personally.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

show me a fireman wearing a police uniform driving a firetruck.

show me a US Marine wearing a Canadian Mountie outfit.

show me a Buckingham Palace Guard standing guard wearing nursing scrubs.

show me a Chicago Bulls player wearing a a Chicago Cubs jersey during an NBA game.

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None of these are things our characters are doing in game, and it's a horrible analogy to boot. Our character doesn't suddenly stop knowing how to WHM when they switch to BRD, and they certainly don't forget how to wear clothing.

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In none of those examples does the person not know how to wear clothing. They're all examples of how people avoid wearing outfits that would proclaim them to be something they're not.

They seem like perfect analogies to the game, providing that we're discussing the restrictions on AF gear specifically. Where the analogies fall apart, though, is when extending it to all the other gear in the game, stuff that doesn't constitute a uniform of the job, yet is limited purely for stat reasons as to which jobs can wear it.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

LOTRO originally had restrictions similar to what we have here, but after a while they dropped all those restrictions (class, level, reputation, etc) and let anyone cosmetically wear any gear they want.

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I still play that game sometimes - I love their vastly superior outfit system - wish they would make ours more like that.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Holy crap, having never played XI, I just assumed it was more of the same as FFXIV in this regard. But now that I know they had a better system in their old game than they do in their new one... wtf were you thinking, SE? XD

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The system described in FFXI was literally only added in the last year. XI, for more than a decade, did not allow glamours at all. If you looked like you were wearing level 1 gear, it's because you were wearing level 1 gear.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

You missed the point of the post, if you can't logicaly wear it, then you can't glamour it, it's not hard to understand, Would look pretty dumb for a whm to be walking around in full heavy armor glamoured, this may be a game and "realism" does not always apply but you kind of have to draw the line SOMEWHERE.

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I can go as a PLD in my bra/panties. Yer realism is already out the window.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

In none of those examples does the person not know how to wear clothing. They're all examples of how people avoid wearing outfits that would proclaim them to be something they're not.

They seem like perfect analogies to the game, providing that we're discussing the restrictions on AF gear specifically. Where the analogies fall apart, though, is when extending it to all the other gear in the game, stuff that doesn't constitute a uniform of the job, yet is limited purely for stat reasons as to which jobs can wear it.

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It makes even less sense when you consider that a lot of gear sets are just palette-swapped versions of another set. For example, the Picaroon's sets of Maiming, Striking, and Scouting all look exactly the same save for their colors. Why should they not be able to be glamoured interchangably? Clearly all three classes can wear that particular type of gear.

I would like to see them improve the glamour system as a whole, why can't i glamour different looks to my tanks instead of them having to look the same? i feel like the glamour system was just slapped in and forgotten about because they have made zero attempts to change anything.

I wouldn't mind it too much if they loosened the glamour restrictions a bit too. Fantasy styles always change and often mages type are no longer shown in just cloth anymore. I think I've seen some even wearing bits and pieces of scalemail/plate in some art work and games.

But AFs I would like to stay job specific as those are meant to be a bit more iconic.