20 second heavy while on mount, whats the point?

I know its an old topic, but its a daily annoyance still.

First off, the enemies are dangerous. Even if they are 10 level above you, you are unlikely to die before running them off.

If I dismount and kill the enemy, I have at least 10 seconds of heavy left still.

If I ignore the enemy, it de-aggros at anywhere form 10-15 seconds of heavy left.

So...what is the point of this? It adds nothing, it doesn't make it more dangerous, its just a sometimes frustrating way too long slow tagged on to annoy you. If you have to have a slow applied when hit...why 20 seconds? Even if enemies were actually dangerous enough we had to stop and fight, we would die form being unable to dodge the entire fight.

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Originally Posted by chocomaid

I know it's annoying but players are lucky enough to stay on the mount.

Stopping to fight is pointless and makes it take longer since you will still be slowed. Keep going and your annoyingly slowed for no reason.

If it's an open area, go around them. If it's in a crowded area like beastmen strongholds, I think it's plenty advantage that you can actually stay on your mount. It's weird enough that people can mount in the whole stronghold and the enemies can't even stop 1 chocobo lol.

And most of the time, even heavied, you can still outrun enemies. In some games, heavied = slower than walking speed.

The only gripe about this is that it doesn't have a diminishing return.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Doesn't bother me much, use to playing other MMOs where as soon as you are attacked you're forcibly dismounted and cant remount till you either kill enemy or you run far enough to break aggro.

Course I'm also a bit surprised this game doesn't have any high lvl zones yet, we already have areas with "elite" mobs in the open world (giant marbols outside haukke manor). Don't really understand why they dont have an area that has these in abundance for lvl 50. Always remembered seeing these kinds of areas and knowing someone was strong by just by fact they were there while solo.

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With how slow the heavy is, being dismounted, then killing or running off the enemy and remounting would be FASTER than the current 20 sec molasses movement.

It does not add any feel of danger, as the enemies pose no threat, and is in fact, actually worse than a random dismount mechanic. it poses no point in its current form.

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Originally Posted by Edli

Then it doesn't serve its purpose since you can still bypass everything, heavy or not. Either make the world actually dangerous or get rid of heavy. The way it is now is just pointless.

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This is pretty much right, and as above point its amusing its actually worse than other games mechanics, and if the world WAS dangerous the heavy would get you killed if you dismounted due to dodging. It lasts too long for a dangerous world, and serves no purpose to the current world.

Longer it takes to get somewhere = more time spent playing = more dollarydoos for SE. (It's stupid though.)

I know it's annoying but players are lucky enough to stay on the mount.

If it's an open area, go around them. If it's in a crowded area like beastmen strongholds, I think it's plenty advantage that you can actually stay on your mount. It's weird enough that people can mount in the whole stronghold and the enemies can't even stop 1 chocobo lol.

And most of the time, even heavied, you can still outrun enemies. In some games, heavied = slower than walking speed.

The only gripe about this is that it doesn't have a diminishing return.

What's worse is being chain heavy'd by multiple enemies in a confined area. Super annoying.

The purpose is so you can't just run through a high level area bypassing everything with your mount. However it becomes an annoyance rather a danger cause everything is face roll easy.

There is no point, it's a sick, horrible joke from SE in an attempt to annoy you, they consider it a "punishment" but all it does is piss people off. No one actually accepts this is a legit form. it's gotten to the point i started just walking/sprinting through areas depending on how far i need to go, i don't know who thought this was a good idea but they need some help.

To make the world feel "dangerous"

Strange mix of "ridiculously easy" and "extreme hardcore" in the design.

There's nothing in the open world we can't just up and run away from. A short, stubby Lalafel can outrun the leanest, meanest Wolf archetype. We've got some sloooooooow lazy critters, we do.

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Originally Posted by Purplenum

Longer it takes to get somewhere = more time spent playing = more dollarydoos for SE. (It's stupid though.)

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Yeah heavy spam is just another time sink lol.

MySmiley, it's Yoshi's way of making the world feel dangerous again. Remember in 1.0 where too much damage on your bird made you jump off? It's that, but worse.

I guess this is the only way to make the world feel dangerous again since we don't have any mob that's 50+ anymore. I miss you level 99 ogres...

Doesn't bother me much, use to playing other MMOs where as soon as you are attacked you're forcibly dismounted and cant remount till you either kill enemy or you run far enough to break aggro.

Course I'm also a bit surprised this game doesn't have any high lvl zones yet, we already have areas with "elite" mobs in the open world (giant marbols outside haukke manor). Don't really understand why they dont have an area that has these in abundance for lvl 50. Always remembered seeing these kinds of areas and knowing someone was strong by just by fact they were there while solo.

I just wish it had diminishing returns. It sucks getting to one or two seconds left and getting hit with another 20 seconds. Too bad it's not like virus where they get the one minute anti-body immunity.

Drives me absolutely crazy, especially multiple heavies in a row.

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Originally Posted by Magis

The purpose is so you can't just run through a high level area bypassing everything with your mount.

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Then it doesn't serve its purpose since you can still bypass everything, heavy or not. Either make the world actually dangerous or get rid of heavy. The way it is now is just pointless.

just responding on OP

If they want to make open world enemies more dangerous they should have made them hit harder instead of giving them Heavy ability.

And what would be the point of harder mobs in the overworld when they don't give anything worthwhile? People would just teleport even more or run to the forums to complain over how hard everything is.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

And what would be the point of harder mobs in the overworld when they don't give anything worthwhile?

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Harder enemies would be required for there to be worthwhile things in the overworld.

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Originally Posted by Edli

Then it doesn't serve its purpose since you can still bypass everything, heavy or not. Either make the world actually dangerous or get rid of heavy. The way it is now is just pointless.

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What is missing are some lv55+ enemies with ranged attacks that can 3-shot everyone who try to ride through them

Something like this, but weaker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCoI...tailpage#t=510
More like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKUy...tailpage#t=451

There is nothing "dangerous" about an enemy who hits me for 25 damage out of my 6000+ HP making me go 50% slower for a while. It's just annoying. A forced dismount without the slow would, literally, eat up less of my time and be less tedious.

Or, you know, a game world that actually accommodates the power level of characters who are item level 90 the second they reach job level 50.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

Harder enemies would be required for there to be worthwhile things in the overworld.

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What would those worthwhile things be?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

What would those worthwhile things be?

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As an example, a key as a drop that you would need to enter the last coil everytime.

Grinding just to be able to do a weekly raid? WTF?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

What would those worthwhile things be?

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Doesn't really matter. Could be anything; gear, crafting materials, or some new mechanic to the game like Felis' suggestion (though...maybe not for coil please!), but whatever it is if its in the open world ,and its worthwhile, there needs to be some challenge to beat to access it. Classically, that's monsters.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

What would those worthwhile things be?

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Could be anything. Rare crafting components for new high-level recipes, special dropped items for a new character improvement mechanic... or hell, just the fun of kicking the stuffing out of a monster 20 levels higher than you. Especially if there's lots of 'em. Lookin' at you, Castrum Novus.

Well it has to matter otherwise it wouldn't be worthwhile, would it? You need to give players an incentive to risk their lives wandering in the world. But you also have to avoid the problem of making the open world content being more favorable than the other content, just like what the hunts did wrong.

It's only there to annoy people. That's it. That's the point. Everyone hates it but from past dev posts it's here to stay.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Well it has to matter otherwise it wouldn't be worthwhile, would it? You need to give players an incentive to risk their lives wandering in the world. But you also have to avoid the problem of making the open world content being more favorable than the other content, just like what the hunts did wrong.

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Hunt is the exact example why there need to be stronger enemies in the open world that you can't kill in 5 seconds with a full party.

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Originally Posted by Elim

It's only there to annoy people. That's it. That's the point. Everyone hates it.

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During 1.x it worked better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKUy...tailpage#t=452

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Well it has to matter otherwise it wouldn't be worthwhile, would it? You need to give players an incentive to risk their lives wandering in the world. But you also have to avoid the problem of making the open world content being more favorable than the other content, just like what the hunts did wrong.

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:P My statement was a principle, not detailed blueprint. Like saying "A house has to have a foundation". But you're right, obviously what drops would be important, but what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter in what way it is worthwhile. Only that if worthwhile things (whatever form they may take) are to be added, they have to be from equally worthwhile (difficult) content.

So for worthwhile things to drop in the overworld, difficult monsters have to be found there.

OP, sorry for derailing you're thread ._. I do wholeheartedly agree that the heavy status is frustrating and I would like to see it removed.

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Originally Posted by Purplenum

Longer it takes to get somewhere = more time spent playing = more dollarydoos for SE. (It's stupid though.)

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If SE adopted this as a strategy you think we would have Aether nodes straddled every 20 feet across the realm?

Esuna>Sprint>Remount.

:P

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Grinding just to be able to do a weekly raid? WTF?

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Wait...is this a WoW reference?

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Originally Posted by Felis

Hunt is the exact example why there need to be stronger enemies in the open world that you can't kill in 5 seconds with a full party.


During 1.x it worked better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKUy...tailpage#t=452

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What part of the video should we look at? Can't watch the whole video without falling asleep.

No other reason for it. My solution for you? Be a dragoon. Lol. Elusive Dive removes heavy and then you just sprint it and remount after deaggro.

The heavy effect is pretty silly, especially as 1.0 did it more realistically (ala, the 'lamed' effect which naturally means your mount is injured and can't run anymore), but as someone else mentioned, it's to stop you just running through higher level areas on a mount. It's just been poorly implemented, so yeah, I agree with this thread.

Also in regards to the 'world isn't dangerous enough' argument, perhaps you need to look at it in context - the world is now full of heavily armed thugs running around slaughtering anything that so much as breathes. No wonder the truly 'dangerous' enemies can't be found out in the open, they're either hiding in terror from us monstrous adventurers out to turn their head into a trophy, or they've been driven to extinction. ;)

The mount-heavy does nothing to make the world feel more dangerous, it's just annoying. Mounts in this game don't really go that much faster anyway to warrant this kind of a thing (as opposed to chocobos in XI which gave you flee speed)

It actually would be better if they did kick you off your mount instead of heavying you.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

What part of the video should we look at? Can't watch the whole video without falling asleep.

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7:33 until the end

During 1.x it worked better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKUy...tailpage#t=452[/QUOTE]

Good old Castrum Novum. That is how an Imperial fortress should be, they knew how to build them in those days.
Better than the absurd short cut or bouncy castle installations we have now. That place was fun.

1.) Get slowed
2.) Keep auto-traveling
3.) Enjoy the scenery

If it wasn't for all these slows I wouldn't be able to enjoy the beautiful views in this digital world.

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Originally Posted by Felis

7:33 until the end

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That's... pretty interesting, I think at least beast tribe strongholds should be like that.

I remember when I started playing this game and saw those tribe strongholds in my map I thought they would be a sort of special dungeon where you fight a boss related to each tribe (in this case the respective primal), you can guess my disappointment when I hit ~47 and saw they were just more open world areas, and then when I hit 50 and walked freely around them got even more disappointed when all I got was a 'heavy' spam.

I feel like they ruined something that could have been amazing :(

I dont know any MMORPG where you dont get slowed or kicked of mount, because you are being attacked while riding a mount, at all.

In old WoW times u even died if u got kicked of a mount, while being chased by alot of mobs, in FFXIV this is just lulz.