It is only been a while since the new update and it seems like some of the more active (older) members of the FC the I belong to have left and started their on thing.
Before the update they was fine, but now they left. I don't know why, but perhaps this clique (if I can say that) decided to form their own FC to hava a house of their own or it all can be due to politics.
Anyways, the abandonment of FC have been predicted by other people. Have you experienced the same thing?
Free Companies disbandend due to FC houses?
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12-19-2013, 07:20 PMmyaheleFree Companies disbandend due to FC houses?
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12-19-2013, 07:29 PMVisRalis
Its like, do you want to live in someone else's home or your own.
Will prefer own 10/10. -
12-19-2013, 07:33 PMTeonHow many gils with 100 bucks? Found a nice website? :rolleyes: /sarcasm offQuote:
Originally Posted by VisRalis
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12-19-2013, 07:41 PMZourin
Most people that I've talked to have fully abandoned any plans on buying FC property.
The investment level is too high. The members with obnoxious amounts of money have no reason to 'carry' the FC when they can simply buy their own place straight up, so we're not getting help there. Those members who were early 1.0 barely have 100-200k to their name, and those that are 50 and running dungeons are not reporting '20k' a day figures. Yoshi-P is still a bullsh*tter there. Those of us inbetween know that the gil faucet isn't as big as Yoshi wants us to believe, and there isn't enough money to realistically purchase a plot of land prior to the 3 month plateau.
That was the big reason to hide the plot prices to the last minute. They knew it was outrageous and had the delusional belief that the 'rich' players have any interest in spending ALL their monies on people who aren't. Everyone is now abandoning any plans to sacrifice ALL their gil for an 'unobtainable' goal and are now holding off to see what happens to personal housing, which will likewise see another round of punishing inequity against players on legacy servers, with no expectation that even with a years worth of money hording that they'll be able to afford it.
This goes well into the territory of 'sticker shock', and people are walking out the door in droves. They've managed to set the prices so high that they've got everyone on the defensive fiscally and any attempt to convince them that 'personal housing' is going to be 'affordable' will get you laughed at so hard they may just kick you for being a gullible idiot. After making sure you donated 100k to the FC.
All of the players with massive gil banks are not a part of the player economy. They're a drain, selling off what they don't need and growing the wallet. They're almost all omni-50's and can produce for themselves and are completely independant of the player markets. They will not buy furniture, they will farm it themselves and build it themselves because they can. If they DO buy anything, it may be pittance things that will certainly not put a dent in the overall market flow.
My FC has two of such players. Nobody expects them to suddenly empty their wallets on behalf of the other 10 active members of the FC. They don't. I don't. Yoshi must have been sniffing moogle farts when he thought suddenly wealthy players would become self-sacrificial philanthropists and zero out their wallets for the sake of any FC. They're good people, yes. Ask for help, you get a hand. Ask for a house, and they say "f**k no" just like any other sane player. -
12-19-2013, 08:00 PMZohnoReecho
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12-19-2013, 08:12 PMZourinAdamantoise isn't a legacy server. It's in the 2nd cheapest bracket. ~80M for the cheapest 'Large" plot (which is no different than the highest in terms of the property itself, just location variance)Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
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12-19-2013, 08:19 PMZohnoReechoYoshida said that legacy servers prices will fall towards 3rd tiers price in 3 months, that would mean 50 millions for the same kind of house you referred to. And 3 months will fly by while people gather money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zourin
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12-19-2013, 08:21 PMZourin
Yoshi promises a lot.
Then he promises everything will be alright.
Then he looks forward to how excited you are.
Then he talks about how X is such a demanded feature by the player base.
Then come the apology letters.
I came to play a Final Fantasy MMO. Not bear witness to SE screw up on a semi-annual basis. -
12-19-2013, 08:31 PMKsenia
The Gil is in the game. The trouble is, it's bot grade grind. some of the 1star 55 recipes for roofs and walls are 1337 vendor rated but you would need to make thousands, requiring tens of thousands of crystals, shards for component and mats.
SqEnix have done pretty much everything in reaction to bots and RMT and that pretty much makes them Bot and RMT puppets. -
12-19-2013, 08:36 PMZohnoReechoOpen a game company and let's see how much you can promise and do beforehand, making everyone happy. I bet my testicles on the chopping board that you won't be able to and no other company out there can, small or big.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zourin
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12-19-2013, 08:49 PMmyahele
I haven't read the info, but what are the benefits of FCs? I know we can craft airships, boats, etx in the future. But what about this upcoming 3-4 months before the next patch?
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12-19-2013, 08:56 PMZohnoReechoUse the /doze emote on the beds.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
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12-19-2013, 09:11 PMVelveteerDon't make promises you can't keep.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
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12-19-2013, 09:13 PMKrystalynnThat's the hilarious part... the part of the playerbase that would most enjoy FC housing are the small, friend-fueled and roleplaying communities in the game. The ones who typically aren't drowning in gil.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
That small 15 person FC on Balmung that has been playing since somewhere in the middle of 1.0 and all came together, pooling a cool 5-6mill of their humble earnings for a chance to enjoy some sunsets together?
Completely and utterly boned. -
12-19-2013, 09:17 PMZohnoReecho
20 people from 1.0 with 5-6 mil total? when the story mode and the side quests give you around 300k? See what I mean when people hardly want to work for anything… I think the sims is a more suited mmo game.
300k is just from 2.0 story. I made 300k~ more just bringing miner and botanist to around 20, all the crafts at 15 and selling w/e I made. And this is a rough math without counting all the teleports and food I used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zourin
Of course you can skip all the quests and missions if you want, but then don't blame the game.
Lol Trust, a forever alone mode, a function made to replace 3/4 of the server population who ran away because he wasn't able to keep the ship from sinking after the failure that adoulin was… please. Looks like you are here, too. Maybe those promises weren't enough for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
Yoshida gave you the housing. If you do not accept the pricing because you don't want to pay for it, that's your issue. It's not meant as something that everyone can get and never will. Deal with it.
1. can you tell me where yoshida said that it would be something that everyone could get and for cheap?Quote:
Originally Posted by ApolloGenX
2. can you tell me what the current version is missing that was promised for 2.1? there aren't a lot of recipes? start counting again. if you told w/e you work for to never release their software until they added the functions that would be available 3 months later, you probably would have been fired already.
3. I think people should stop imagining how something is it's released. if you are a product manager you probably also know that you cannot and shouldn't accommodate whatever your customer say if you want to keep something worthy. -
12-19-2013, 09:26 PMZourinnot everyone stuck around and put up with a sh*tty game. Remember, it got canned? Brought down completely and overhauled? You know, all the effort in pushing something they had to fire their upper management over and overhaul for the past year or two?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
I came in with 200k to my name and little more than an L32 gladiator from 1.0. Most of that went into replacing my 'dated' and statless gear, most of which I couldn't even wear anymore. I now have 4 L50 DOH/DOL crafting classes to fill in the skill gaps in my FC and only now am starting to see a light profit, having only another 100k to show for two months worth of work. And now I'm seeing everyone come out of the woodwork and flooding the market with whatever seems to be going for more than 100gil, and hardly anyone's buying.
It's an open season yard sale right now on the marketboards, and the only ones making gil are the bots. -
12-19-2013, 09:29 PMmyahele
Luckily the cheapest house is 4 mil gil, but how many members are willing to shell out that amount in the upcoming month when personal housing may come along in 6m time?
The fact that you can get approx lv 40 + mats from vendors = gathering/ crafting class must sell below those npc prices in the LONG run. -
12-19-2013, 09:36 PMKrystalynn20 Million on Balmung. If it was 4 million, there may be less of an uproar, but the legacy servers having most of the old players also means they brought a lot of new friends, and now you have a lot of people from post 2.0 and pre alike stuck with the smallest available plot being anywhere from 20-25 million gil.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
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12-19-2013, 09:44 PMZourin
if it was 4, or even 8 million for a small on Sargatanas, I wouldn't be riling up my poo-flinging attack monkey.
If the game was the same for everyone, regardless of what server you played on, I wouldn't be riling up my poo-flinging attack monkey.
Instead, we get a mixed-message apology letter and an FC full of completley demoralized adventurers who all immediately got their gil donations refunded. Nobody wants to even talk about FC housing, it's such an unrealistic hurdle for what is otherwise a great team of guys willing to come up short and put in a reasonable amount of work to make up the difference
Nobody cares anymore what the prices are in 3 months, people are scared sh*tless about the 20M starting prices and guessing what personal housing is going to cost. They've stopped thinking about an FC hall entirely, and bringing up the subject is an easy way to get the entire teamspeak channel to go quiet for an hour. -
12-19-2013, 09:53 PMLoLo
I'm waiting for personal housing.
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12-19-2013, 10:08 PMRhysatiPeople keep saying this, but when I got to 50, I had 120k. I don't know where everyone else got so much gil.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
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12-19-2013, 10:18 PMRoyal
If you don't take the items and take all allagan pieces (bronze, silver, gold, etc) you will get about 300k. Since i'm a 2.0 character I took a lot of the gear. Boy was I stupid.
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12-19-2013, 10:19 PMSolArisa
The housing prices help turning Free Companies into which they were originally meant to.
- FC owners may clean up and remove members who do not contribute to the FC.
- Small FCs, which should have better been Linkshells, will disband and join a bigger FC, because it will be easier for them to get FC rewards like a house (and later the trophies and FC exclusive primal summons).
- Serious FCs will make use of the ranking systems for keeping those who benefit the FC with their contributions separate from the leechers.
- FCs will shift from socializing to endgame-focused content and goals, starting with the houses and continuing later with the primals, which only one FC per server can summon.
So of course there will be fluctuation at the the beginning. Some people may leave, because they realize that the FC may expect them to deliver some contributions, others want to join bigger FCs because they think they need to contribute less there, others are simply removed.
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12-19-2013, 10:25 PMThagyr
The thing that gets me is they were afraid the 2% of players that had all the gil on a server were going to buy out every plot of land if they made it too cheap for the servers they sit on.
What I don't get is why didn't they just limit the ownership of a plot to 1 per FC or something at the beginning. Rather than make a whole bunch of land act as a gil-blackhole in an attempt to remove that gil from the game. As far as I know the rich players didn't get all that gil from being charitable, and raising the cost of a plot of land in response to their fortune isn't going to make them want to shell out funding for their FC. If anything I'd assume they won't buy it at all, unless they were the FC leader which is the only assurance that the gil spent will remain a sound investment, or trust their leadership entirely not to collapse.
Heck, I just saw an FC, a regular one filled with players of different backgrounds, that practically fell apart after a heated discussion about where to buy the House if they ever got there. Nobody wanted to donate gil to the possibility they didn't get a house where they preferred it. Some liked the beach while some liked the trees and shade. It sounds like a silly argument, but when the prices are this crazy you wouldn't want to invest in something that you didn't like 100% right? -
12-19-2013, 11:19 PMVelev
The only reason Fc housing is so expensive is simply because they do not have enough servers running to accommodate every FC on every server IF the prices were reasonable.
This way only a few FCs on each server can afford the house which is fine for SE since they can probably just manage with a few FCs owning a house on each server.
Which seem to fit perfectly into the price drop every x day by x amount. By the time the prices are more realistic, which is why they had them up ridiculously high, many more FCs would be able to afford them by then.
But by then 2-3 months would have passed and of course SE would have the time to set up those instance servers for the housing.
That's SE buying time for themselves right there. Not like they needed it and not like this is SEs' first mmo.
Clever little trick SE, did you really think people would not figure that bit out?
Ridiculous if you ask me....
Feel like a hamster running the wheel?
Keep running i can see the carrot getting closer! -
12-19-2013, 11:43 PMRoyal
This is what really worries me. Alot of FCs just don't want to invest into FC but this statement worries me....
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/113554Quote:
2:19:20
Q: When will individual housing be implemented?
A: It will be around half a year after patch 2.1's release. Currently, we are split between implementing a personal room within a free company house or personal housing. Since the decision will have a huge impact on how many additional servers we'll need to prepare, we have to carefully consider the balance of the housing system. We believe it will take roughly six months to have everything planned out and prepared.
This states that personal housing may in fact be a room inside FC housing. If people opt out of it because of cost, I'm afraid personal housing will be unobtainable unless your FC bought a house. Anyone else worried about this? -
12-19-2013, 11:50 PMSasagawaFunny that !Quote:
Originally Posted by SolArisa
you see on my server at least its the small FCs with 10-15 members in that have really benefited from this. all my fc members have said they are going to stick with me and raise some money, we dont care if we dont have a house now or in 3 months but we will have one in 6-8 months.
Also, small FCs tend to have strong bonds with their members and help each other out so something as daft as not having a house at the minute is not the end of the world. -
12-19-2013, 11:56 PMTeonWell, most of the playerbase wants his personal damned house. Alone, and f... o... others. My house, my trophies inside it, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Royal
If we have to pay hundred thousand gils (or millions) then maybe more hundred thousand gils for my room big like the inn , well... guess the community answer to this game and this housing development.. :rolleyes: -
12-20-2013, 12:00 AMTupsiMatsui that's working on FFXI promises a lot...and delivers. Hell, the 'Trust' magic system has smarter AIs than FFXIV's NPC AI so far. People that says "go make x" or "go open a game company" usually never have an argument to counter a valid point. I'd say it simply when someone says they can do better, Zourin didn't do as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
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12-20-2013, 01:05 AMApolloGenXI'm a product manager for a software company. That is exactly what I do. Here's how I avoid this:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
1. I don't over-promise
2. I deliver on promises made
3. I manage expectations
1. Yoshi overpromised (availability of housing)
2. The team did not deliver (it wasn't ready at launch and still really isn't ready- plus there aren't lots of recipes to make it a robust feature)
3. He completely mismanaged expectations with information related to pricing before the "big reveal" and sticker shock.
So stop with the denial. Part of the reason the problem is so bad isn't because of limitations, it's the problem the team CREATED with their mistakes.
The team went from an open and transparent development methodology to this... misinformation spreading, herky jerky delayed development, rehash content team. It's as if all the team knows how to do is fix other people's mistakes, but not innovate new content.
The remake was amazing... but I feel like it's starting to spiral... -
12-20-2013, 01:46 AMSolArisaThat's good for you. And it is the same with my FC. But I guess your members are not whining that they don't get everything served on a silver platter either, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasagawa
And by the way, OP asked about people who leave a FC, not about those who stay. -
12-20-2013, 01:49 AMRyiosEasy. Make a game that is addictingly fun. Don't tell anyone your making said game. Don't release info on it. Therefore you are not promising anything before hand. If players are upset, work on a patch, but don't tell them you are. And don't put up a player forum. Launch said game. Read the awesome reviews on IGN, GameStop, etc etc etc. Players will have a voice, but no official place to make it heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
Use an in game feature request and feedback system to determine what players want, rather than a minority forum.