I'm looking forward to housing

Personally I think this is what the game needed. Housing is now going to be in the game and while everyone can work on getting a house, it wont just be handed out to players. FC housing shouldn't be for everyone and honestly its not game breaking to not have an FC house. Players can still play the game, participate in dungeons, and clear main scenarios without a house.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. While I respect a lot of people on the forums right now are upset with the prices, I feel like this is going to breathe some life into the game.

This is something I can look forward to doing with my FC now.
Whether we purchase a small, medium, or large plot. My FC is going to enjoy it.

Good luck to all. :o

I agree.

In before Flaming.

How is this going to breathe life into the game?

I'm in a small FC with 7 or 8 real life friends and we will never be able to get an FC house. Ever. The cheapest land is 20 million gil on our server. After 3 months it will be 10 million. We can't afford that and we never will be able to. Square Enix proves, yet again, how bad they are at making design decisions for their game. The proper way to price things would have been to make the smaller plots of land very cheap and then increase prices exponentially for the larger plots. That way large FCs can still work towards getting a giant house, while small FCs at least get something so everyone can enjoy the content. Gating it by how rich you are is just a poor decision by a seemingly more incompetent team. I'm sorry, but Yoshi-P made an awful design decision with this system. Absolutely terrible.

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Originally Posted by Luso

Personally I think this is what the game needed. Housing is now going to be in the game and while everyone can work on getting a house, it wont just be handed out to players. FC housing shouldn't be for everyone and honestly its not game breaking to not have an FC house. Players can still play the game, participate in dungeons, and clear main scenarios without a house.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. While I respect a lot of people on the forums right now are upset with the prices, I feel like this is going to breathe some life into the game.

This is something I can look forward to doing with my FC now.
Whether we purchase a small, medium, or large plot. My FC is going to enjoy it.

Good luck to all. :o

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farming money like crazy, sounds like as fun as making money IRL.

It's not that much if you are actively making money, even on non-legacy I've made 2 mil over the course of 2 weeks quite easily. If all your members did that you could afford your fc house in 2-3 weeks.

Don't know about you guys but I don't really mind about the prices. I rather have a challenge rather than handing it out to me straight away

Breath life into what? Gil grinding? RMT activity?

Why shouldn't FC housing be for everyone? There are a lot of people that don't want to be in 500 person FCs, our FC has 42 people. We should waste 10 million gil to buy the equivalent of a single person mog house from XI? How is that even remotely "fun"?

It's a sandbox, and they made it ridiculously restrictive for what purpose?

I'm glad I didn't care about housing to begin with. To me it's just a small zone you can't really do much but look at and gives a small bonus of exp or stats that probably in the long haul wont make a huge difference. It's fluff from the get go, I'm happy about the new dungeons though.

It's the memories that count. :D

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Originally Posted by Beeraga

Breath life into what? Gil grinding? RMT activity?

Why shouldn't FC housing be for everyone? There are a lot of people that don't want to be in 500 person FCs, our FC has 42 people. We should waste 10 million gil to buy the equivalent of a single person mog house from XI? How is that even remotely "fun"?

It's a sandbox, and they made it ridiculously restrictive for what purpose?

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So enless the content is easier its not for everyone right? If u have to earn it then its not for everyone?

Really? Are you kidding me? FC HOUSING IS AN ACHIEVEMENT!! Just because you and you FC has to put in effort TOGETHER to achieve something such as gil towards housing while the price is dropping over time we're going to argue its not open to everyone? f'en really?

This is not a casual or hardcore argument. The only thing they have asked for is a serous effort by everyone in your FC to achieve a goal rather just those fews people who took tim to level a crafter or gathering to cover themselves.

But no its not a hand me down so its apparently impossible for everyone to get.

what gets me is that this isnt even player housing. Thats where everyone can get it, though its still going to have to be content to which you need to achieve.

I love housing, but the price for my server is just ridiculous. 20 million for a small piece of land? 250 million for large? Even in games like lord of the rings online, they made housing at least affordable! The most expensive kinship hall in that game was 20 gold, which if you go by digits, would be abut 200,000 gil in this game. I don't know anyone on Balmung that carries around 20 million gold. Let alone 250 million. As it stands, housing on Balmung, a server I might add, was chosen by Roleplayers as the home base, will be non-existant on this server.

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what gets me is that this isnt even player housing. Thats where everyone can get it, though its still going to have to be content to which you need to achieve.

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The main issue with this is that you actually need to do the content hundreds of times in order to start toying with housing.

Content to achieve (even difficult ones) = Yeah ok.
Content which has to be repeated hundreds of time in order to unlock a goddamn game feature = Not fun at all= Go to hell, I'll go spend my IRL money on some other game.

It drops over time assuming no one bought that specific plot of land.....So I get to camp plots of land also, fun!

Its a sandbox. Its for fun. Saving 100 million gil is not fun.

Its taken my wife and I since launch to save a combined 2 million gil. So unless I want to spend the next three months doing nothing but grind gil, and convince the rest of my FC to do nothing but grind gil, we might be able to get a house in 4-6 months. Sorry, spending 4-6 months doing nothing but grinding gil is......shocker....not fun.

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I'm glad I didn't care about housing to begin with. To me it's just a small zone you can't really do much but look at and gives a small bonus of exp or stats that probably in the long haul wont make a huge difference. It's fluff from the get go, I'm happy about the new dungeons though.

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You can build airships at houses which grant you access to new areas. There will be a lot of functionality for houses in the future but right now, not so much.

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and convince the rest of my FC to do nothing but grind gil, we might be able to get a house in 4-6 months. Sorry, spending 4-6 months doing nothing but grinding gil is......shocker....not fun.

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If u cant get the rest of your FC to participate for group content then you shouldn't be getting group content period. That includes Free Company housing, cause again it doesn't include only you and just you wife then it really wasn't Company content now is it?

the truth of the matter is that no one deserves Free company Housing if the Free company itself cant all contribute.

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If u cant get the rest of you FC to participate for group content then you shouldn't be getting group content period. That includes Free Company housing, cause again it doesnt just include and just you wife then it really wasn't Company content now is it?

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Farming gils isn't group content at all (it's not even content in the first place, should the money be removed totally from the game it wouldn't change your gaming experience).

To take what I said in another thread;

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Originally Posted by Sotek

Initial reaction: Annoyed as hell, getting a House was the first thing I planned on doing in 2.1, and so far it seems like I'm the only one in my FC interested (pretty much all the Gil donated is mine). That idea just went out the window, down the street, to the airport, across to Russia, boarded a Soyuz rocket, and is now hurtling into space, destination: the Sun.

That said, I don't think I actually mind it all that much... OK, this has pretty much killed Furniture as a market on effected servers, seeing as the people who can afford Housing probably have all the necessary crafts already, so nobody will by buying Furniture any time soon. And I'm not going to be getting the House I want for a long time, but you know what? I wanted a long term goal in XIV. Now I have one.

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I can already account for 2% of the cost of a first class large house on Excalibur, and so far I haven't actively been trying to make Gil. If I put effort in and make it an active event, things should go much faster, and if I can get the rest of my Free Company (don't even have 8 active members) on board it probably wont take too long. Heck, give it a week and I could probably get a small house fairly easily, though screw that noise.

The more I think about this, the more I like it. It's like Relic weapons way back in XI, except instead of the Linkshell leader screwing everyone over to get a Relic, everyone gets a house.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Farming gils isn't group content at all (it's not even content in the first place, should the money be removed totally from the game it wouldn't change your gaming experience).

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As an avid crafter and gatherer, I disagree completely. Remove Gil from the game and I'd actually cancel my subscription right away, a MMOs economy is a major part of the experience for me.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

The main issue with this is that you actually need to do the content hundreds of times in order to start toying with housing.

Content to achieve (even difficult ones) = Yeah ok.
Content which has to be repeated hundreds of time in order to unlock a goddamn game feature = Not fun at all= Go to hell, I'll go spend my IRL money on some other game.

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Really just a straw man argument until we actually see what they have for us when we actually get to see Player housing.

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Originally Posted by ReithDynamis

If u cant get the rest of your FC to participate for group content then you shouldn't be getting group content period. That includes Free Company housing, cause again it doesn't include only you and just you wife then it really wasn't Company content now is it?

the truth of the matter is that no one deserves Free company Housing if the Free company itself cant all contribute.

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You are completely missing the point. Even if our FC was willing to help, which they are, asking them to farm 100 million gil collectively is absolutely absurd. If you can't see how absurd that is, I don't know what else to tell you.

BTW, grinding gil is not and has never been an "achievement", so your argument about it being some sort of achievement to get a house, which is only obtainable by grinding gil, is BS on its face. There is no "challenge" to grinding gil, which is why this pricing structure is absurd, its the worst kind of time sink imaginable for something that should just be a fun side project. Instead it will be a full time job for any small FCs.

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Farming gils isn't group content at all (it's not even content in the first place, should the money be removed totally from the game it wouldn't change your gaming experience).

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subjective argument, especially since everyone complains about the woes of not having gil. again its achievement. go play hello kitty island adventure if u want mindless content

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You can build airships at houses which grant you access to new areas. There will be a lot of functionality for houses in the future but right now, not so much.

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I haven't heard this before. Curious as to where you've heard as well as if its personal or FC housing. Also have my doubts because SE probably doesn't want to force this on anyone to access new areas for future contnent especially if its so expensive.

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subjective argument, especially since everyone complains about the woes of not having gil. again its achievement. go play hello kitty island adventure if u want mindless content

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Because gathering and crafting in this game are so complex....its repetitive and boring. 100 million gil worth of boring.

In what world is grinding gil any form of achievement? And this is from someone who actually likes to craft and sell, I just don't want to be required to do so full time to play in a sandbox segment of content half a year from now.

Honestly im kinda happy, you want housing now ? buy the cheep housing. you want the best ? then you will have to work for it which is something 14 needed, this is what relics should have been. in this game everyone has the same gear, its super casual its not even funny at least finally the hardcore players have something to work towards and will obtain way before casuals.

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Really just a straw man argument until we actually see what they have for us when we actually get to see Player housing.

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In most modern games getting the field to build the house is quite cheap (and even free in some cases) and most of the content consists in getting the furnitures/materials to build stuff. Basic materials are cheap and you must work hard to get the high end materials. In FFXIV case the actual content of housing (eg getting materials/furniture and putting them together in your house) is gated through money (I really don't understand how people can actually find that enjoyable/fun).

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As an avid crafter and gatherer, I disagree completely. Remove Gil from the game and I'd actually cancel my subscription right away, a MMOs economy is a major part of the experience for me.

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Good luck on selling stuff if the housing prices remains the same as they are now. The impact on the economy should be major.

Sorry OP, this won't breath new life into the game. I think it will lean toward people considering looking else where for entertainment, that helps neither side. The days of MMO exclusivity are over, the sooner you get with the program, the better off the majority of players will be. As of now, you support a system that only caters to a few and pretty much promotes RMT as a viable option now.

In UO (the first MMO I played with housing) you didn't have to be Nelson Rockerfeller to get a house. You had to go the backend of nowhere to place it and to visit it, but it was yours. And it didn't cost an arm and a leg. Guilds (FCs in XIV) could buy bigger places, but the cost was immense compared to a little place for each player. Plus in your tiny hovel you could sit and craft in safety, and if it was in a mob zone, change jobs and head out to farm materials. It was a marvellous concept. Why has SE got XIV housing so wrong?

I'm just a bit blindsided as a small house was supposed to be something 4 players were meant to afford if they saved their money leveling to 50 so I figured we were good on at least the smallest house >.>;

Is the max size of the interior based on the plot size?

Housing was basically the only thing that interested me on this game. The art direction is amazing and all, but everything I do here I can do on every other MMO, and housing, which is something that should change that, is just a big and bad joke...

I guess I will unsub, please look forward to it...

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In most modern games getting the field to build the house is quite cheap (and even free in some cases) and most of the content consists in getting the furnitures/materials to build stuff. Basic materials are cheap and you must work hard to get the high end materials. In FFXIV case the actual content of housing (eg getting materials/furniture and putting them together in your house) is gated through money (I really don't understand how people can actually find that enjoyable/fun).




Good luck on selling stuff if the housing prices remains the same as they are now. The impact on the economy should be major.

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your reply does nothing to change its a straw man argument that should be dismissed. If you dislike that way things are that much then you and a few other should just unsub. the vocal minority can go on believing it was right and the rest of us will still be playing :D

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If you dislike that way things are that much then you and a few other should just unsub.

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I actually didn't wait your reply and already did it. But my decision is more based on the let down of 24 players raids by SE.

Give my opinion any name, it doesn't change the fct that the current housing system is plain unfun and retarded.

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I actually didn't wait your reply and already did it. But my decision is more based on the let down of 24 players raids by SE.

Give my opinion any name, it doesn't change the fct that the current housing system is plain unfun and retarded.

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see? this game just got better already.

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Originally Posted by ReithDynamis

see? this game just got better already.

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Not yet, people are you are still around.

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Not yet, people are you are still around.

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..... what?

I think what your trying to say is that its too bad im still around? well.....lol its apparent im not making any plans to leave so.... its going to suck for you i guess. lol

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Originally Posted by Blackweaver

I love housing, but the price for my server is just ridiculous. 20 million for a small piece of land? 250 million for large? Even in games like lord of the rings online, they made housing at least affordable! The most expensive kinship hall in that game was 20 gold, which if you go by digits, would be abut 200,000 gil in this game. I don't know anyone on Balmung that carries around 20 million gold. Let alone 250 million. As it stands, housing on Balmung, a server I might add, was chosen by Roleplayers as the home base, will be non-existant on this server.

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I know one person in one linkshell who claims to have 500 million gil. He says he made it all when Tomestone times were 200k a pop.

Well, okay, sure. I'm sure that all of his money is perfectly legit. Yep.

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..... what?

I think what your trying to say is that its too bad im still around? well.....lol its apparent im not making any plans to leave so.... its going to suck for you i guess. lol

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Naw, I'm used to people with shitty attitudes on the internet.

Housing is just a useless cosmetic feature, do you want to spend 20-600 million on some walls and ornaments? I find it a waste of money imo.

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Naw, I'm used to people with shitty attitudes on the internet.

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Definitely sounds like you like'em alot more then you care to admit :P

Too much negativity on the forums. Lets move away from that. I didn't post the topic to argue about housing. Just wanted to see how many people are looking forward to working on FC stuff with their FC. If you're not interested in SE housing plan please post in another thread specific to that topic.

What are possible goals some FC are going to do to work on getting their houses. My FC has just rekindled its drive to make some gil. We all have our own methods and a lot of us are excited about the increase amount of gil from leves and dungeon monsters.