Pay for your inventory.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

But why do you need an entire retainer for mats? The only mats I keep around are the rare/expensive ones that aren't easily obtained. Otherwise, I just buy what I need off the MB, craft whatever it is I wanted to craft, and then resell the rest. I don't keep mats precisely because they're a huge waste of inventory space when I can just go buy what I need when I need it.

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I generally just go out and gather all the things I need for a crafting project for the day.

Besides the point: What you buy, someone has stores of, ie likely mostly taking up some space in an inventory.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

But why do you need an entire retainer for mats? The only mats I keep around are the rare/expensive ones that aren't easily obtained. Otherwise, I just buy what I need off the MB, craft whatever it is I wanted to craft, and then resell the rest. I don't keep mats around precisely because they're a huge waste of inventory space when I can just go buy what I need when I need it.

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Because I have all my gatherers leveled and it's a waste of money buying mats. It's also a waste of time goingout to gather only a specific amount exactly whenI need it. And I don't think you are considering people with all classes leveled - of course we have a lot of gear.

Sure, if I only had one or 2 classes leveled the current amount of space would be plenty. But with all 50s, it's far from it.

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But why do you need an entire retainer for mats? The only mats I keep around are the rare/expensive ones that aren't easily obtained. Otherwise, I just buy what I need off the MB, craft whatever it is I wanted to craft, and then resell the rest. I don't keep mats precisely because they're a huge waste of inventory space when I can just go buy what I need when I need it.

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That may be the case on a large pop server, but on smaller ones, like my own, what you need is never on the market board. If you don't farm it, you better expect to pay way more than its worth.

I'm a bit offended by this whole thing really. The amount of content in this game is doubling, or at least that is what Yoshi P has said, and we are paying for the expansion, as well as the subscription cost. So why charge us even more? It's an insult to the entire player base.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

The way housing was handled - see my signature, and see how it turned out - first break of trust.

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you misinterpreted that, yoshi p even went over it. your fault not his.

course the good guy yoshi p is took blame being the better person about it.

I think the inventory issues stem from the system they built upon. I agree from a service standpoint that the inventory should not be an issue for people who want to play everything because it is an option. I'm tired and half asleep, so I could be half-dreaming up this answer, but they could probably update their database with a new table that keeps track of specific player IDs and pairs them up with the IDs of items that they own or owned. With that in hand, the player only needs to have owned an item at some point in time to count towards glamour. The game would just query the game's database for items you owned, show you a list, and let you pick what you want in order to change your item appearance using the glamour system. No inventory space required.

This would require changing the schema of the database, but adding a new table that doesn't effect any of the other relations shouldn't pose an issue for the design team.

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Originally Posted by Sho86

Funny, wasn't a problem for me in XI, or WoW, or GW2,

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Funny, storage isn't a problem for me in XIV.

Edit: Since he felt the need to bold this word, I think I'll return in kind.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

you misinterpreted that, yoshi p even went over it. your fault not his.

course the good guy yoshi p is took blame being the better person about it.

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Things are always easy enough to explain away in hindsight... if one knows the reasons and the general picture before something happens or is done, but only takes to expressing them properly afterwards, well...

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Funny, storage isn't a problem for me in XIV.

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Choosing to limit yourself doesn't make it the correct and/or only way. To each their own.

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

I generally just go out and gather all the things I need for a crafting project for the day.

Besides the point: What you buy, someone has stores of, ie likely mostly taking up some space in an inventory.

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Oh, I keep some crafting mats in my inventory (not my retainer), usually the stuff I use a lot. I just can't understand keeping so much around that you have an entire retainer full.

I would really like to find someone with all classes to 50 who thinks storage "isn't a problem". If such a person exists they must not care at all about glamour.

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Originally Posted by Sho86

Choosing to limit yourself doesn't make it the correct and/or only way. To each their own.

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Not limiting. I simply choose what is worth my inventory space and what is not. A glamour item that I obtained 4 months ago that I haven't used once isn't worth it to hold on to just because in an unspecified point in the future I might use it. If I ever want it again, I'll farm for it.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

Oh, I keep some crafting mats in my inventory, usually the stuff I use a lot. I just can't understand keeping so much around that you have an entire retainer full.

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Speaking of! I finally went and cleaned out all the Mats I'll never use. Things that don't sell get vendor-ed. Things that do, yay~ But ya... I'm never ever again filling two inventories worth of mats ever ever again. Oo My main inventory still is stuck with 1.5 tabs free.

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Speaking of! I finally went and cleaned out all the Mats I'll never use. Things that don't sell get vendor-ed. Things that do, yay~ But ya... I'm never ever again filling two inventories worth of mats ever ever again. Oo My main inventory still is stuck with 1.5 tabs free.

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Yeah, my general rule is that if I haven't used it in 2 weeks, it's time to put it up on the MB. Otherwise you just end up hoarding things that you never really use because you keep telling yourself that you'll craft something with it someday.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

Oh, I keep some crafting mats in my inventory (not my retainer), usually the stuff I use a lot. I just can't understand keeping so much around that you have an entire retainer full.

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After looking you up, I can fully see why you don't need retainer space. Cul is your only craft. You only have 2 classes at 50.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/8516686/

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Originally Posted by Ninimo_Babamo

After looking you up, I can fully see why you don't need retainer space. Cul is your only craft. You only have 2 classes at 50.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/8516686/

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I also have multiple sets of gear for the classes I'm currently leveling (ARC, PGL and PLD) as well as a whole bunch of Primal/Coil weapons for them from farming. I'm still only at 288 inventory spaces full.

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I also have multiple sets of gear for the classes I'm currently leveling (ARC, PGL and PLD) as well as a whole bunch of Primal/Coil weapons for them from farming. I'm still only at 288 inventory spaces full.

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Yes, now multiply that by having all dom/dow, all crafters and all gatherers leveled.

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I also have multiple sets of gear for the classes I'm currently leveling (ARC, PGL and PLD) as well as a whole bunch of Primal/Coil weapons for them from farming. I'm still only at 288 inventory spaces full.

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Well I'm the master of a free company that regularly recruits new people to the game and it is very rewarding to be able to help craft them HQ gear anytime they need to to help them on their way to 50. Since I have 50 in every crafting class, I am able to do so, but only because I have already spent hours farming and collecting extra materials to do so. When you are still as new to the game as you are, its really not possible for you to grasp just how much there is in the game.

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Well I'm the master of a free company that regularly recruits new people to the game and it is very rewarding to be able to help craft them HQ gear anytime they need to to help them on their way to 50. Since I have 50 in every crafting class, I am able to do so, but only because I have already spent hours farming and collecting extra materials to do so. When you are still as new to the game as you are, its really not possible for you to grasp just how much there is in the game.

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I've been playing for nearly a year-- I just don't feel the need to hoard every single item I get, especially not if it's something that can be easily obtained. If I don't like the way a particular piece of gear looks, I turn it in for seals rather than keep it around for the sake of having a complete set. If it's a crafting material and I haven't used it in 2 weeks, I sell it. I used to hang on to everything and I ended up with an inventory full of junk that I wasn't using and that was just taking up space, so now I much prefer to pare things down to what I actually do use and need on a regular basis.

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Originally Posted by seida

I have one retainer entirely filled with weapons and gear for potential glamours

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So you're stockpiling weapons in the vague and not-even-definite chance that maybe - just MAYBE - you might use it someday as a glamour? Well, I'm sure come the day Yosh let's us have a glamour for every day of the week then you'll be set!

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it's a waste of money buying mats

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It's also a waste of time going out to gather only a specific amount exactly when I need it

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This again. It makes sense to stockpile given materials for regular routine projects or materials that can be troublesome to come by, but to stockpile anything and everything without an actual plan to use all of it in the near future? THAT IS ALL WHAT HORDING IS! You're hording damn near everything and bitching to SE because they aren't giving you something to encourage continued terrible habits.

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You're not getting it. We have a mansion I craft things for regularly, which I still have to go farm logs and shards for very often. We use the mansion as our own personal city. We have everything a city has and more because of the crafting looms. When I am crafting HQ sets every day for something, I use just about every type of material I have, and I have a lot. Just today, I crafted about 40 pieces of HQ gear each for about 15 different people that want to try AST, DRK, and whatever Machinist is abbreviated to. Do you know how many different materials that takes? It's probably a full retainer's worth of different materials. When it is crafting that many items, it is insane to sell items to an NPC when it might cost me 1000 gil to craft just one piece of material when considering shard costs.

Not to mention the crafting I do for spirit bonding, the crafting I do to sell, and there is just so much more that you really aren't considering.

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it's a waste of money buying mats.

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SE: -What should we do? People say it's a waste to buy stuff of the market.
-We got no other choice... Remove the market boards! Let everyone farm for their own stuff as much as they want and hoard it all!

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My FC has a mansion too. We have an FC chest that we store items in for purposes just like the ones you're talking about; stuff that's meant to be used for the FC goes in our FC chest, crafting materials included.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

My FC has a mansion too. We have an FC chest that we store items in for purposes just like the ones you're talking about; stuff that's meant to be used for the FC goes in our FC chest, crafting materials included.

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I felt the same way in 1.0 when i refused to craft. "lol you guys just cant manage inventory space".
Come talk to me when you start crafting.

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I felt the same way in 1.0 when i refused to craft. "lol you guys just cant manage inventory space".
Come talk to me when you start crafting.

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Yay for being condescending! :D

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I felt the same way in 1.0 when i refused to craft. "lol you guys just cant manage inventory space".
Come talk to me when you start crafting.

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My FC is full of multi-50 crafters (including 2- and 3-star ones) who somehow seem to manage just fine with two or at most three retainers. It isn't nearly as impossible as you claim.

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My FC is full of multi-50 crafters (including 2- and 3-star ones) who somehow seem to manage just fine with two or at most three retainers. It isn't nearly as impossible as you claim.

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Never did I say it was impossible. What I am saying is that Yoshi P said the game has double the content after 3.0 as it did before. Double everything. I'm assuming that means items also. It WILL become impossible. Currently, it is not.

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Never did I say it was impossible. What I am saying is that Yoshi P said the game has double the content after 3.0 as it did before. Double everything. I'm assuming that means items also. It WILL become impossible. Currently, it is not.

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We have 10 levels as opposed to the previous 50. It's -impossible- for them to double the number of gear sets within those ten levels unless they have two alternative gear sets per single level. This is assuming that not all 51-60 gear will be class-specific, which would just be outrageous. Similarly, it wouldn't make sense to have a new potion and food tier for every 2 levels, would it?

Considering that, I very highly doubt that crafting materials will be doubling in count. No, I'd say when Yoshi P was talking content, he was talking content. Content as in "things to do", not "thinks to have".

I'd say it's a safe estimate that we'll have 2 (maybe 3 if they really push it) new tiers of crafting materials for 51-60 crafting, then 1 material tier beyond that for 60 star crafting. At the same time, demand for the highest no-star level 50-ish materials and materials for 50 1, 2, and 3-star crafts will all drop, with 1, 2, and 3-star craft materials dropping to the point where you likely won't even want to stock them at all.

All in all, I don't think the inventory problem will be anywhere near as severe in HW as people seem to believe. Unless you're one of those people who has to collect every cool glamour item in existence, that is, but at that point you're just asking for inventory problems.

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I'm honestly curious... people who have more than 2 retainers, what are you even storing on them? I ask because I have multiple gear sets (every single available set for DRG minus a few pieces here and there plus a bunch of sets for other jobs), multiple weapons (Primal & Coil), dyes (all of the retainer venture ones), glamour gear, rare/expensive crafting mats, and various and sundry other things on mine and I still have plenty of space left.

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I have four retainers. Currently, one is almost completely full of soldiery/HA gear, Levi weapons, Shiva weapons, etc that I was hanging onto until we can desynth it as well as a few glamour pieces that won't go into the Armoire as of yet, blank glamour prisms, and rare dyes. That one will be mostly empty once I login to Heavensward. One is full of materials that I commonly use for Culinarian crafts (I sell a lot of food). One is full of materials commonly used for crafting equipment (a wide selection of different leathers, lumbers, cloths, ingots, and other sundries). One is where I keep things like potions that I use regularly, demimateria, soldiery mats, seeds, soil, materia, carbontwine/coat... basically miscellaneous junk. I started storing a lot of stuff in the Free Company storage like a lot of the more common mats (peacock ore, etc) because I just don't have room.

Honestly, the best part about having more than two retainers is the larger market presence you have.

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We have 10 levels as opposed to the previous 50. It's -impossible- for them to double the number of gear sets within those ten levels unless they have two alternative gear sets per single level. This is assuming that not all 51-60 gear will be class-specific, which would just be outrageous. Similarly, it wouldn't make sense to have a new potion and food tier for every 2 levels, would it?

Considering that, I very highly doubt that crafting materials will be doubling in count. No, I'd say when Yoshi P was talking content, he was talking content. Content as in "things to do", not "thinks to have".

I'd say it's a safe estimate that we'll have 2 (maybe 3 if they really push it) new tiers of crafting materials for 51-60 crafting, then 1 material tier beyond that for 60 star crafting. At the same time, demand for the highest no-star level 50-ish materials and materials for 50 1, 2, and 3-star crafts will all drop, with 1, 2, and 3-star craft materials dropping to the point where you likely won't even want to stock them at all.

All in all, I don't think the inventory problem will be anywhere near as severe in HW as people seem to believe. Unless you're one of those people who has to collect every cool glamour item in existence, that is, but at that point you're just asking for inventory problems.

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[2.0][3.0] New items have been added.
* Due to the volume of items added with the release of patch 3.0, they will not be listed in the patch notes.

[2.0][3.0] New recipes have been added.
* Due to the volume of recipes added with the release of patch 3.0, they will not be listed in the patch notes.

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...so, maybe not doubled exactly, we don't know; but this is still definitely alarming.

Also, from that very same post still:

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[3.0] New master recipe books have been added.
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Lodestone:


...so, maybe not doubled exactly, we don't know; but this is still definitely alarming.

Also, from that very same post still:

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Well, I guess it's time people start cleaning out their inventories then. Out with the old and in with the new.

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Well, I guess it's time people start cleaning out their inventories then. Out with the old and in with the new.

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Pretty much. If I pick up a dungeon piece for glamour and don't use it within a couple of weeks, I just desynth, spiritbond, or turn it in for seals. If I decide that I really want it again later, I'll go farm it. Of course things that aren't easily replaceable are a completely different story. I could still kick myself for getting rid of my Imperial robe and helm from the MSQ. :c

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Currently, one is almost completely full of soldiery/HA gear, Levi weapons, Shiva weapons, etc that I was hanging onto until we can desynth it as well as a few glamour pieces that won't go into the Armoire as of yet, blank glamour prisms, and rare dyes.

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Actually, now that you mention it, my inventory will go way down too because I have a bunch of HA/Levi/Shiva/Ramuh stuff sitting around that I greeded on thinking I could turn it in for seals. It seemed like a waste to ditch it when I knew they would give us the ability to turn it in eventually, but that will free up a considerable amount of space on my retainers.

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This. Seriously, it's just the same as Miqo'te and now Au Ra with their tails, like, "well we have these races available for you but we don't really care about accomodating their body features, so have your tails clipping through 95% of all the clothes/armour!"... (yeah, different scale, different problem, but the core is the same)




...hoooooooly Menphina, do you actually hear what you're saying?? (Well, see what you type?) White knight in the shiniest of armours, if I've ever seen one.

And how many - not even games, but entire franchises have been ruined by short-sighted "money money money" corporate suits who just wanted to see their profits climb? Want a win button or direct purchase of gil from SE with $$$? Yeah, the road we are on now leads to those things. Because some people, people like you, will defend everything SE does and don't mind being double-dipped and spending money on things they should not be spending money on.

For the record, I do love Yoshi and I have such huge respect for him. He did do amazing things to this game, even after and beyond "simply" turning it around from the mess of 1.0. I also love him as a person, I love how he's this #1 man of such a huge game, yet is completely chill and dresses like some half-blood j-rocker. But certain company decisions he went ahead with (or had to go ahead with) just made me not want to believe what he says anymore, and be apprehensive about everything he announces. The way housing was handled - see my signature, and see how it turned out - first break of trust. Then the Eternal Bonding thing, most of the coolest stuff gated behind a paywall - second break of trust. And now this - being told time and time again how problematic increasing inventories is, and then this sort of reveal of how they really have no issues with it actually - third break of trust. For someone who's admittedly so aware of the trust lost with 1.x and wanting to re-build it so badly, these are some very ... interesting steps he's taken. And I'm not at all convinced they fit into that vision. Sure I still want to believe, and I do still stick around, because I do believe, but I'm just more and more scared of this path we've been walking with this game for a while. It was mentioned somewhere, I think, that they're "testing the waters" of how far they can go with extra charges (ie. cash shop and its equivalents) - if we never voice our dislike, if we just passively accept everything they charge us extra for, they'll never stop "testing the waters", they'll just continue to throw us in deeper and deeper (cess)pools.

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Ohhh lord PREACH IT!. :D. Somebody give this man a cookie!.

Lets be honest
You already have several hundred inventory spaces
If you can't manage with those, these extra retainers will allow those not so good at things to get by : )

Please look forward to it.

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Actually, now that you mention it, my inventory will go way down too because I have a bunch of HA/Levi/Shiva/Ramuh stuff sitting around that I greeded on thinking I could turn it in for seals. It seemed like a waste to ditch it when I knew they would give us the ability to turn it in eventually, but that will free up a considerable amount of space on my retainers.

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And that space will be immediatly filled with Heavensward stuff like "Oh, nice lv55 bow I just dropped there. I'll hold on to it for when I'll be leveling my Bard".
Plus new mats.
Plus new Glamour items.
Plus new potential events items.
Plus all these desynth stuff you'll need to level up desynth.
Plus new housing items that don't fit in your house just yet.
Plus every leveling gear you'll need for non-50 classes/jobs.

I really do not understand people defending this change.

Do people like being screwed over? Is it fun?
Why are people happy about a service that should be in the game by default?
Why are people happy that some players will have a clear advantage because they spend more money?

I really do not get it. Maybe gaming is doomed to die after all.

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This game gives you 100 inventory spaces, 350 retainer spaces, 25 armory chest spaces per equipment slot, an armoire which can hold certain unique items, and if you really need it there are 40 market board slots. Not to mention that there's also a total 150 slots in the Free Company Chests which will probably be expanded as new FC ranks come out. That's a total of 450 free slots and 300 specific gear slots per character. Not only is this more than most MMORPGs, but most stackable items stack all the way up to 99. There is a CRAZY amount of free storage in this game, and if you don't seem to have enough space then it's either time to clear out all of those useless monster drops or suck it up and pay SE so you can continue with your hoarding problem.

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SE should hire you for all the free PR work you're doing! :^)

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And that space will be immediatly filled with Heavensward stuff like "Oh, nice lv55 bow I just dropped there. I'll hold on to it for when I'll be leveling my Bard".
Plus new mats.
Plus new Glamour items.
Plus new potential events items.
Plus all these desynth stuff you'll need to level up desynth.
Plus new housing items that don't fit in your house just yet.
Plus every leveling gear you'll need for non-50 classes/jobs.

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And that is why you clear out the old stuff to get room for the new.

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Why are people content with this foul treatment.
Why.

Gaming is dying. Denying that having more Ventures/Market Board slots/and inventory is literally pay2win is just crazy to me. And the sane few of us apparently.

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No, I will not throw away all these event items and the ones filled with memories like my very first Allagan Weapon, dropped on my very first T5 down.
I'll also not throw away all these materias I have just because Lv.V is on the way.
Same, that pre-50 gear is staying with me since I still have to level some crafting classes (which is also why I won't throw away old "junk mats", because I'll need them) and because the new classes are Lv30.

You cannot just throw away everything and call it a day.

Seriously tho', why the hell don't you want free inventory space? In what way will that harm you?
Everyone against the idea of free inventory space just sounds like they are saying something like this: "I don't want to end world hunger because I have enough things to eat already, thank you very much."

This is why we can't have nice things.

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I know I don't have much to say on this matter since I only have 2 jobs at 50 and don't craft except when I am bored, so I got plenty of free room.
But remember that this is a RPG game, and with all RPGs (I have played atleast) there are limitation to how much you can hold at once. We are given a choice on what we wanna keep and sell etc etc.

BTW, most event/season stuff can be bought by a vendor (as long as you finished it once). I have done so several times and sold on the market and earned myself a few GIL doing so.

And ofc I don't mean that you have to throw away EVERYTHING you have stored. But maybe sort out stuff you havn't used for a long time and perhaps sell it for a few GIL on the market. And if needed later on, buy some or gather it yourself.
Since the prices on the marker changes constantly you could sell something and later buy it much cheaper. I have done so many times aswell and earned more in the long run, itemwise and GILwise.