How would identify a female player guy/girl?

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03-19-2015, 04:51 AM
Gramul

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Originally Posted by LordHadi

Of course it does, that's what the thread is about.
How do identify those pretending they're girls. So what's the point of asking them when you know their answer?

Well, what's the point of knowing the answer?
03-19-2015, 04:55 AM
KiraHayate

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

Why do you need to identify a female character as a guy or girl? Are you looking for a potential mate? There are easier methods.

u make it sound like im desperate. Again to all of ya'll. That is not wat I'm aiming for here. I didn't put this topic just so i can hit on girls, get a girlfriend, get laid, etc. It just popped in my head, and i got curious and wanted ya'll opinion on it. so far I've hear it all, and thanks for sharing your opinions. it all makes sense to me now. Even though I don't like how ppl play the opposite sex cuz it doesnt feel real to me, that is just my opinion and ppl dont give a shit about other ppl's opinion. so why make a fuss about all this "hitting on girls" thing when its just a curiosity topic?
03-19-2015, 04:57 AM
Bluevann

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Originally Posted by Evelynddra

I personally have no issue with women saying their gender. I don't think it's for attention, it does come up during normal conversations. It's a pretty ridiculous statement to say many other women think that.

Actually me and my female friends are part of that "plenty" he talks of. It's okay if your gender comes up in a conversation that is on topic, but when people post stuff like "come to my gaming channel, hot chick gamer!", yeah, that's attention. When they shout "Will anyone carry this poor dragoon girl with them to clear Odin ; ;? Will give TIGHT hugs in bikini", that's attention and trying to take advantage of your gender. And sadly there's many of them out there.
03-19-2015, 05:00 AM
KaiKatzchen

I guess for me it comes down to:

I like people for who they are, not what they are.

I meet a Male Miqo'te or a Female Lalafell and the first thought that runs though my head is not 'omg are they really a guy/girl', it's 'this person is cool and I like them'. I can honestly say I have friends in game and I know their character, and I call them 'he' or 'she' based off what their character in game is, but I could care less if they are really a guy or girl in real life. In some instances I don't know what their real gender is and guess what, this might be a shock... I don't care.

If they want to tell me that's fine and up to them, but I honestly don't care. I like them for them, their personality and the way they act and treat others in game. Who cares who or what they are, as long as they are a good person they are fine with me. :)
03-19-2015, 05:01 AM
aisustrong

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Originally Posted by Ketch

You gotta tone it down a few notches Aisustrong. Sarcastic thought is sarcastic though.

it's very aggravating seeing people act like "normal" is the only thing that exists
especially when they have both been told multiple times by multiple people in just this thread, but also in just the very nature of the internet and it's spread of culture and information
03-19-2015, 05:02 AM
Ilitsa

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Originally Posted by KiraHayate

hahaha well in my opinion i actually dont like guys play as girls cuz i find it weird and wrecks the balance of gender population. for example, say if you're marrying a female character, would u marry them knowing the player as a guy or a girl? to me i know i wudnt with a guy "shudders". so im thinking if there is a way to find out without having to ask them straight up lol.

We don't have marriage, we have eternal bonding, which can be done between friends.
03-19-2015, 05:06 AM
Hinoiri

I'm just going to put this quote back out there for anyone who missed it:

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Originally Posted by Ymal

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Originally Posted by LordHadi

Of course it does, that's what the thread is about.
How do identify those pretending they're girls.

You make it sound as if men who play as women character are such a big threat…
To me this thread just seem to be about men afraid of flirting with 'fake' females and afraid that doing this would suddenly change their sexuality or how people see them. /shudders

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Originally Posted by dughug

You don't need to make a female character to enjoy what you're looking at all day. Just look at another character.
...
Simply put, if your character is a female then I will treat you as if you were a female in game. I will tell you that you look pretty and flirt with you. Just play your sex already, it's 2015. Be normal.

Please do stay away from any female character because you seem like the exact creepy reason why some women players have to roll a male character to enjoy their game. Other players are not here to be appealing to you. People will roll the gender that they want and no among of disrespect from you to them will ever change that.

It's 2015, get real, there is no 'normal'.
03-19-2015, 05:11 AM
Intaki

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Originally Posted by KiraHayate

u make it sound like im desperate.

No, YOU make it sound like you're desperate.
03-19-2015, 05:14 AM
KaiKatzchen

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Originally Posted by Hinoiri

I'm just going to put this quote back out there for anyone who missed it:

That's just creepy... don't get me wrong I know people meet in MMO's and fall in love and get married and that is awesome when it happens!! :)

But if people are specifically playing MMO's to hit on people etc and don't like that guys play girls or vice verse - then go to a dating site and look for people there. I play this game to have fun, not to get hit on or harassed because players like that I play what I play, so feel its their job to make a move on me. :(

And no just because I play a female Miqo'te and just because I dress skimpy doesn't mean I'm asking to get hit on. It's because I like that look and it's how I dress her.
03-19-2015, 05:16 AM
Red_Wolf

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Originally Posted by Evelynddra

Do people like you even try? Seriously, it took me 30 seconds and a single google search to find things that prove you wrong. All reports/studies/stats/articles showing a higher percentage than 25%. Anywhere from 35% tp 45%.http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...ers-in-the-us/
http://129.105.161.80/uploads/LFG_JOC.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7796482.stm
http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/27/r...le-mobile-rpg/
http://www.vg247.com/2014/10/28/fps-...n-research-pc/
http://www.superdataresearch.com/blo...gamers-matter/

Also, you can't really speak for other girls. Considering you are a guy. I personally have no issue with women saying their gender. I don't think it's for attention, it does come up during normal conversations. It's a pretty ridiculous statement to say many other women think that.

I guess the 25% was a bit dated. It seems to be around 33% now. The 40% just doesn't seem right though. If you look at these articles a little closer that 40% is never directly linked with MMOs. They artificially inflate that 40% by including "mobile games". Middle aged female gamers have skyrocketed since Farmville and Candy Crush were released.

And, I'm not talking about normal conversations or correcting people. I thought I already said that. There's a difference between being annoyed that some guy is calling you dude and telling everyone in a PUG that you are a girl for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
03-19-2015, 05:17 AM
Evelynddra

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

Actually me and my female friends are part of that "plenty" he talks of. It's okay if your gender comes up in a conversation that is on topic, but when people post stuff like "come to my gaming channel, hot chick gamer!", yeah, that's attention. When they shout "Will anyone carry this poor dragoon girl with them to clear Odin ; ;? Will give TIGHT hugs in bikini", that's attention and trying to take advantage of your gender. And sadly there's many of them out there.

No doubt. I fully understand people like that exist. But to say the only reason gender, specifically from women, comes up is for attention is incorrect. Literally anyone can do things for attention. Yet the focus is always on those pesky women waving their gender for stuff. Which, to be perfectly honest, in all my years playing MMO it's happened so rarely I don't even see how this is an issue. There are plenty of times when it's actually men doing that also. I've encountered more cases of men saying those things on a female toon than a women doing it. I actually encountered a couple who did this. Her husband played a girl toon, and they delighted in seeing what other people would give him.

So yeah, I'm always weary of this mysterious women who gets things from men. It's often used as a way to even further seperate gamers. Not only do we have to prove to men we're actually ladies who play (otherwise we're just men because ladies totes don't game), but we also have to prove we're not THOSE women. Only then can the male gamers bless us as real gamers. /sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

I guess the 25% was a bit dated. It seems to be around 33% now. The 40% just doesn't seem right though. If you look at these articles a little closer that 40% is never directly linked with MMOs. They artificially inflate that 40% by including "mobile games". Middle aged female gamers have skyrocketed since Farmville and Candy Crush were released.

And, I'm not talking about normal conversations or correcting people. I thought I already said that. There's a difference between being annoyed that some guy is calling you dude and telling everyone in a PUG that you are a girl for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

The first link to stats says 40%. I don't know exactly where they got those stats though, so I do tend to be curious about it. The last one also says 40%, but does seem to be a blog post. Though one done by games analyst. Though, arguably, a mobile MMO is still an MMO. Quite frankly, my opinion is that if you play games...you can be considered a gamer (this include tabletop). Obviously there's a difference between the housewives who play Candy Crush while waiting for their kids, but she also isn't going to be the one calling herself a gamer.

I honestly didn't see you differentiate between anything. You're example was merely girls saying "I'm a girl" which is fairly broad. Regardless, I have addressed above to another person my opinions on that situation as well.
03-19-2015, 05:22 AM
Red_Wolf

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

Actually me and my female friends are part of that "plenty" he talks of. It's okay if your gender comes up in a conversation that is on topic, but when people post stuff like "come to my gaming channel, hot chick gamer!", yeah, that's attention. When they shout "Will anyone carry this poor dragoon girl with them to clear Odin ; ;? Will give TIGHT hugs in bikini", that's attention and trying to take advantage of your gender. And sadly there's many of them out there.

Thank you. I explained it poorly. This is much better. Since everyone is jumping on me already for crap I didn't say... I didn't want to give them more material.

No, I don't think the majority of female gamers are looking for white knights. Yes, I think those girls are looked down upon by most other girls.
03-19-2015, 05:23 AM
Jandor

I tell people I'm really a tall handsome man in order to get carries off of desperate gamer girls.

True story, honest.
03-19-2015, 05:26 AM
JayCommon

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

I like people for who they are, not what they are.

Not exactly sure why it took 327 posts for this to be said...or maybe it was and I missed it because I definitely started skimming through some of this hostile crap halfway through the thread, but kudos to you and +1

If you are a cool person, I will be friendly to you regardless of any other circumstances. End of story. I am a male gamer, I play a male Elezen and I tend to look at chat logs and game activites, not character models and animated posteriors... My friend was upset the other day that I hadn't noticed his glamour from 3 weeks ago. /shrug It wasn't meant to be inattentive, I just generally don't pay much attention to character models when I'm doing content. Max zoom camera, and usually paying attention to everything else going on in the raid/dungeon/whatever-content

I thought that quote on the 1st page was hilarious though, I jump everywhere I go!! Countless times I will put my character on my Enbarr mount in auto-run so while I'm running I can jump and rotate my char model as far to the side as possible and then back to original position to see if it will break my stride or not. I think I'm close to perfection!! Also, there is just too many things in my FC front yard that are awesome to jump on lol. Like catching the edge of my chocobo stable while jumping from my cobblestone fencing and doing the electric slide across the roof of the stable #tooflyforanelfguy

Seriously though, I guess I can understand OP's general curiousity, but I don't care if you are a guy a girl or a sniper-cat; if you are cool to talk to and generally a nice person I will be your friend!
03-19-2015, 05:29 AM
Kosmos992k
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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Fair enough. Do google searches for the Daedalus Project or any of his studies. Here's a blog post that gives an overview of most of the studies referenced in this thread: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...e_avatars.html

One 'study' does not help much in this area. Not to mention that this 'study' covered a tiny population of gamers invited to participate in an artificially created WoW event for the purposes of the 'study' I also not that there is no indication of any peer review - which is not terribly surprising considering that the authors affiliations include;
- Department of Journalism and Technical Communication, Colorado State University
- School of Information Studies, Syracuse University
- Institute of Communication, Culture and Information Technology, University of Toronto
- Journalism, Media Studies, and Public Relations, Hofstra University
- Communication Studies, Concordia University (Canada)
Without a control group, with no stated methodology, no involvement from the relevant field (psychology) and no peer review in evidence, that 'study' lacks the credibility to be called anything more than an exercise in public relations and pseudo science.
03-19-2015, 05:34 AM
Fuma

thread title: How would identify a female player guy/girl?

How do I? I don't cause I could care less. And if you want to get married/eternal bonded in game with someone I'd hope your connection goes somewhat deeper than just someone you found in PF or the forums for this game...

And just to be clear, you could marry/eternal bond with a duck for all I care as long as it's consensual (big word I know, look it up).
03-19-2015, 05:45 AM
Ashkendor

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

I like people for who they are, not what they are.

Right? Worrying about what gender or sexuality people are is no different than worrying about what race they are. I mean, there's curiosity for the sake of curiosity (it's always fun to find out what people are like IRL to see if you have some common ground to talk about, right?). When it comes down to it though, it doesn't matter! None of it matters one tiny little bit! We're all people playing this wonderful game called FFXIV, so we all have at least one thing in common. Why not just accept that for what it is?
03-19-2015, 05:50 AM
VargasVermillion

tbh I always have wondered how often this is reversed. (females playing as male char)
03-19-2015, 05:59 AM
KodiHivaer

This thread...

http://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...alm.jpg?eaa32f

WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE!?
03-19-2015, 06:01 AM
slml320

Girl=guy in real life :)
03-19-2015, 06:02 AM
Red_Wolf

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

One 'study' does not help much in this area...

The studies were published in journals. The links were right there. I didn't dissect them but I'm also not quoting any conclusions from them. I have faith that academics can count in a sample size without needing a peer review or an expert in pyschology.

If you think the percentages are off then give me something besides "well in my guild we have X amount of females"... Otherwise, I'll use the study to say 25% of men play as females and 7% of females play as males.
03-19-2015, 06:06 AM
RyuRoots

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

This thread...

http://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...alm.jpg?eaa32f

WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE!?

It's not. People are stupid. That's the long and short of it.
03-19-2015, 06:07 AM
Weedity

It's not really wrong for someone to wonder what your sex is. Why all of a sudden is it wrong to want to know this? Why is it so bad that I DON'T want to marry a girl toon being played by some male in reality?

No, I don't go around asking every female toon if they are a guy in real life, I just assume they are a guy in real life. Sometimes I'll come across a toon who gives off a feminine vibe and I might assume they are female, but not usually.

Yes, I find it odd when a guy plays a female toon. No, I don't judge them for it, hell my two best friends play female toons. I tell them all the time I find it odd, but it doesn't bother me! To each their own. There really is nothing wrong with wanting to know that female toon player you've been cyber hitting on is a male or not. There is nothing wrong with wondering if that female toon you asked to marry you is a guy in real life.
03-19-2015, 06:12 AM
Spawnie

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

I'm 1.0 as well~! So this is just a view of my basement:
http://i.imgur.com/bJ97Aq1.png

but I didn't wanna spam the tread with pics so here is a imgur with more pics if you wanna see. :) I'm really proud of my house. XD

http://imgur.com/a/x0EQE#0

come to odin and decorate my house for me LOL only thing im happy with is my outside XD
03-19-2015, 06:13 AM
Kosmos992k

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

The studies were published in journals. The links were right there. I didn't dissect them but I'm also not quoting any conclusions from them. I have faith that academics can count in a sample size without needing a peer review or an expert in pyschology.

Yes, I followed the links. You are not quoting conclusions as such, but you are leaning heavily on their conclusions. dissecting their report or study is not necessary to know that the sample size is small, the selection criteria are not rigorously explored and the methodology is not really elaborated upon.

Sample size has nothing to do with peer review or psychology it has to do with statistical validity, as does the selection method for the sample. Peer review is a process by which papers are reviewed by peers in the relevant field before publication to prevent 'bad' research from making it to journals and places like Slate.

The article you linked draws it's conclusions largely from the first study it provides a link to, and mentions the others in passing.

You dropped into the topic to state your opinion very strongly as if it were incontrovertible fact, and then when challenged provided one link who's primary source was a non peer-review journal article by journalism and Information sciences academics, not psychologists. Having faith in academics is all fine and well, assuming that they are at least in the correct field...
03-19-2015, 06:17 AM
Shioreen

Why did I ever comment on this thread :cool:
03-19-2015, 06:21 AM
Spawnie

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Originally Posted by Shioreen

Why did I ever comment on this thread :cool:

lol last comment i made was page 16 log in to forum its like 35 pages im like geez not gonna bother reading all those ._.
03-19-2015, 07:02 AM
KaiKatzchen

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

Seriously though, I guess I can understand OP's general curiousity, but I don't care if you are a guy a girl or a sniper-cat; if you are cool to talk to and generally a nice person I will be your friend!

Meowhahahaha! :3

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Right? -snip-

100% Agree :D

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

come to odin and decorate my house for me LOL only thing im happy with is my outside XD

Aww, that's so sweet of you! Thanks for liking my house enough to make that comment~! <3

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

lol last comment i made was page 16 log in to forum its like 35 pages

At first this confused me - ppl talking about this thread being like 35 pages long and I'm like ... *looksup* Its 9... where they getting 35 from?

Then I remembered I set my stats to 'max comments per page' - *facepalm* XD
03-19-2015, 07:17 AM
Tsuga

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Originally Posted by Weedity

It's not really wrong for someone to wonder what your sex is. Why all of a sudden is it wrong to want to know this? Why is it so bad that I DON'T want to marry a girl toon being played by some male in reality?

Why do you need to know? If you're marrying someone in-game and you're close enough that their real life sex would matter, I'd think you would know at that point. If you weren't that close, why would you care what their gender is? Marrying in-game is not tantamount to a real life relationship.

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Originally Posted by Weedity

No, I don't go around asking every female toon if they are a guy in real life, I just assume they are a guy in real life. Sometimes I'll come across a toon who gives off a feminine vibe and I might assume they are female, but not usually.

What is masculine? What is feminine? Your perspective seems to lean heavily on gender norms, which IS wrong.

It's not wrong to wonder about a player's gender, but I don't see why it would be significant enough to you to frame your perspective of every female in the game.

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Originally Posted by Weedity

Yes, I find it odd when a guy plays a female toon. No, I don't judge them for it, hell my two best friends play female toons. I tell them all the time I find it odd, but it doesn't bother me! To each their own. There really is nothing wrong with wanting to know that female toon player you've been cyber hitting on is a male or not.

By calling it odd, you are judging them for creating and playing as a female character. Are they supposed to play as male so that you don't accidentally mistake them as female when you "hit on" them and then feel silly about making a mistake?
03-19-2015, 07:19 AM
Intaki

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Originally Posted by Tsuga

Why do you need to know? If you're marrying someone in-game and you're close enough that their real life sex would matter, I'd think you would know at that point. If you weren't that close, why would you care what their gender is? Marrying in-game is not tantamount to a real life relationship.

If a man marries another man in game, even if that other man is using a female avatar, he has to turn gay. It's like, the law.
03-19-2015, 07:28 AM
Tsuga

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Originally Posted by Intaki

If a man marries another man in game, even if that other man is using a female avatar, he has to turn gay. It's like, the law.

Ick, even being PERCEIVED as gay, or -GHASP- effeminate would just be the worst, I'm sure.
03-19-2015, 07:35 AM
Faelandaea

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Originally Posted by Tsuga

Ick, even being PERCEIVED as gay, or -GHASP- effeminate would just be the worst, I'm sure.

Meh. I am straight, but I look better in a skirt than most women I know. If people perceive me as gay for what I wear then they are just jealous of good fashion sense. I could care less if people think I am gay, IRL or in game. My sweetie knows the truth and she is the only one on the face of this useless ball of dirt that matters XD

P.S. - When she is logged in to any game, I have informed her that she is indeed a guy as far as the player base is concerned :)
03-19-2015, 07:40 AM
RyuRoots

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Originally Posted by Intaki

If a man marries another man in game, even if that other man is using a female avatar, he has to turn gay. It's like, the law.

Yeah, totes. Then they both catch dude-cooties and I hear those are terminal.
03-19-2015, 07:44 AM
Tsuga

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Originally Posted by Faelandaea

Meh. I am straight, but I look better in a skirt than most women I know. If people perceive me as gay for what I wear then they are just jealous of good fashion sense. I could care less if people think I am gay, IRL or in game. My sweetie knows the truth and she is the only one on the face of this useless ball of dirt that matters XD

This made me super happy to read :D

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Originally Posted by Faelandaea

P.S. - When she is logged in to any game, I have informed her that she is indeed a guy as far as the player base is concerned :)

That's a safe call, and she'd better be careful not to mention that she's ACTUALLY a girl irl, otherwise she's just an "attention whore" exploiting her gender for favors. :p
Also make sure she jumps around a lot just to drive home that she's a dude. I hear they tend to do that.

I've learned so much from this thread.
03-19-2015, 07:45 AM
TruebladeNuke

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Originally Posted by Intaki

If a man marries another man in game, even if that other man is using a female avatar, he has to turn gay. It's like, the law.

I've seen this message too many times now. Prepare for it to be debunked:

Back on like... page 5, I said that my own female avatar character married a guy avatar, while both players, me and him, are both guys. Despite doing this, neither of us actually feel that way towards each other. Want to know why? It happened BECAUSE the avatars are male and female. We both prefer straight relationships. (I don't have anything against Gay and Lesbian relationships either though) There's also plenty of games out there that have some sort of marriage system in it. (Allowing you pick up CPU's or other players)

Real life and videogames are two different things. Just because your avatar is married to another player avatar, doesn't mean your life is going to be drastically affected by that decision unless you for some odd reason allow it too. And others. There's plenty of people out there who insist on feeling strongly about this even though it's just a freaking videogame.

Myth Busted.

And with that, imma go back to watching this thread burn. Because unlike most of the population, I could care less about "reality" in a videogame.
03-19-2015, 07:52 AM
RyuRoots

...okay, I haven't been keeping up with this thread so idk if that guy posted earlier or not but I'm assuming it was sarcasm. At least I'm hoping it was. So either your post was unnecessary or I have significantly overestimated.
03-19-2015, 07:53 AM
AriaEnia

I play as a female character because my husband wanted me to. I glamor taffeta and light steel becuz my husband crafted them and wanted me to wear them.
I'm just amazed on how my character takes care of her bikini line becuz it's really really bothersome to maintain :P
Not all guys playing MMO are nasty creepers, most of them are cool and nice. :]
03-19-2015, 07:56 AM
Tsuga

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Originally Posted by RyuRoots

...okay, I haven't been keeping up with this thread so idk if that guy posted earlier or not but I'm assuming it was sarcasm. At least I'm hoping it was. So either your post was unnecessary or I have significantly overestimated.

I think he was being sarcastic, but even if that went over her head I liked her story hehe.

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

I'm just amazed on how my character takes care of her bikini line becuz it's really really bothersome to maintain :P

The 6 races are immune to body hair.
03-19-2015, 08:01 AM
TruebladeNuke

Regardless if that particular post was sarcastic or not, it doesn't change the fact that there are people out there who literally think that way. So my point stands.
03-19-2015, 08:05 AM
Whatever

I had to re-roll my main because I was getting "flirted" with too much.. even when I had written in my status I was a guy. I considered any emote of a flirtly nature in that as well. Now I have no problems :D I even got a flower from a catgirl... hoping its a real girl playing haha

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