Please do NOT alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

I apologize for my post. Lynneth is a friend of mine and I am joking around with him. That was not meant to be taken seriously.

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I apologize for my post. Lynneth is a friend of mine and I am joking around with him. That was not meant to be taken seriously.

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Differences between male and female armor sets are fine - the Tactics job designs by Akihiko Yoshida are really well done and are a good representation of how it can be done correctly.

I think the main issue people have is that the female versions are either the male version but with boob indentions (or none at all), or they just cut a hole somewhere in the original. Not exactly unique designs for the different genders, just kinda like "Uh, guys like looking at girls' tummies right? Let's go with that."

Ironically I'm fairly certain Mr. Yoshida also designed the AFs for all the jobs of 1.0~2.0, so either he wasn't paid enough to design the female versions or they didn't bother with that at all and cut holes in his original designs for the females occasionally.

E: Also, I feel like it's just BRD and DRG that have the holes for their female AFs. Yeah? Nah? Can't entirely remember. If that's the case, I imagine DRK will either have boob identions or just be the exact same as the male version.

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Nor is it any reason to lock female avatars into being mere copies of the quite masculine/macho AF either. If the AF gear is meant to be iconic gear, then I can see no reasonable argument against there being a greater emphasis to ensure that the look of the AF gear is maintained while at the same time actually accounting for differences in gender.

Oh, to your suggestion about glamoring the dancer like gear over unwanted AF. WHY? Why should that be necessary? Why force players with female avatars to use the glamor system in that way?

...and on that note, the utterly horrid Papal robes and hat that has been inflicted on White Mage will absolutely require glamoring to eradicate it. Honestly, what focus group were they using to come up with that, one based in the Vatican?

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Firstly, the "example" i gave was more of a statement made from observing trends throughout my years of playing this game. Simply put if the option to use a revealing torso option exist it will be used very often.

Now I was going to write out a long rant about how AF should fit the lore before all else, how gamers male and female should be allowed to play as a Dark Knight and look the part they chose to play. To say there is a chance of it changing now is more than a little ignorant, the decision has been made and implemented, we simply have not officially seen the finished product.

In my opinion the DRK AF looks epic, it looks like a complete monster capable of tearing through enemies. Bringing that kind of ferocity to my character is going to be awesome, i'm going to look like a hulking Juggernaut ripping in to mobs with my great sword along side my static group. I really hope those that main female characters get the chance to feel that way, it would really suck to stand side by side to another DRK both in AF, and see them as a joke compared to what a real DRK should look like (my opinion), the same thing that happened to female DRG happen again.

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In my opinion the DRK AF looks epic, it looks like a complete monster capable of tearing through enemies. Bringing that kind of ferocity to my character is going to be awesome, i'm going to look like a hulking Juggernaut ripping in to mobs with my great sword along side my static group. I really hope those that main female characters get the chance to feel that way, it would really suck to stand side by side to another DRK both in AF, and see them as a joke compared to what a real DRK should look like (my opinion), the same thing that happened to female DRG happen again.

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I thought female drugs were a joke because they were...well, drgs. Not because they were female.

I support this, good post OP.

Unrelated: I drool every time I see that AF armor, me wantie... desperately! There's a very good chance every upgrade I get will be glamoured in to the drk af set, it's so badass.

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Nah, it's on the original designs:
http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery...gon-knight.jpg
http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery.../ff14-bard.jpg

I think the female bard design is cute, and actually would have worked for the male version, too. I don't think that it's too revealing at all.

The only other AF I can think of with gender specific versions is the Scholar AF.

I prefer small differences between the designs over complete remodels. I think that the Tactics designs are great, but I think the differences in that game largely existed so that you could tell your characters apart. I just used that as an example to show that alternate designs by gender have existed in some other FF games, and actually did look quite nice.

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I support this, good post OP.

Unrelated: I drool every time I see that AF armor, me wantie... desperately! There's a very good chance every upgrade I get will be glamoured in to the drk af set, it's so badass.

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My thoughts exactly, was my plan since reveal.

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Firstly, the "example" i gave was more of a statement made from observing trends throughout my years of playing this game. Simply put if the option to use a revealing torso option exist it will be used very often.

Now I was going to write out a long rant about how AF should fit the lore before all else, how gamers male and female should be allowed to play as a Dark Knight and look the part they chose to play. To say there is a chance of it changing now is more than a little ignorant, the decision has been made and implemented, we simply have not officially seen the finished product.

In my opinion the DRK AF looks epic, it looks like a complete monster capable of tearing through enemies. Bringing that kind of ferocity to my character is going to be awesome, i'm going to look like a hulking Juggernaut ripping in to mobs with my great sword along side my static group. I really hope those that main female characters get the chance to feel that way, it would really suck to stand side by side to another DRK both in AF, and see them as a joke compared to what a real DRK should look like (my opinion), the same thing that happened to female DRG happen again.

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And how hulking do you think lalafel dark knights will look, male or female?

If people wanted to look like a a hulking juggernaut they would roll male rhoe's, as you have done. No female, with the exception of female rhoe's, looks physically imposing. An identical suit of armour will not make them look like hulking juggernauts, because it will not add height or mass. That being the case, why should they not be different, to accentuate the fact that the males and females are different? Since, as much as you seem to dislike it, they are just that; different.

Its great that you want to feel like a hulking juggernaut, and that you will get the chance to; but why are you trying to impose your preference upon those that rolled a female character, when they might have other reasons for choosing dark knight? There are plenty of people that like the exposed midriff design for the female dragoons. I expect plenty of people would be happy with and welcome a similar design for female dark knights.

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Its great that you want to feel like a hulking juggernaut, and that you will get the chance to; but why are you trying to impose your preference upon those that rolled a female character, when they might have other reasons for choosing dark knight? There are plenty of people that like the exposed midriff design for the female dragoons. I expect plenty of people would be happy with and welcome a similar design for female dark knights.

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I personally do not want DRK to have an exposed midriff. I think that feminine and sexy are often conflated, and I think that that's the problem with the DRG design for a lot of people. It seems like it's going more for sexy.

I think that a female dark knight can still look cool, and imposing in that armor, and I think that it can maintain that while still looking flattering on a female character. Sometimes I want to look cool in a set of armor while still having my character's gender identifiable. I think that's what's so great about a lot of the FFT female character designs. They're identifiable as both the job, and the gender, without equating sex with feminine.

That's not to say that I don't think sexy can be cool, too, or that sexy designs are unacceptable. I just think that the job designs should be modest, but still flattering to my gender.

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And how hulking do you think lalafel dark knights will look, male or female?

If people wanted to look like a a hulking juggernaut they would roll male rhoe's, as you have done. No female, with the exception of female rhoe's, looks physically imposing. An identical suit of armour will not make them look like hulking juggernauts, because it will not add height or mass. That being the case, why should they not be different, to accentuate the fact that the males and females are different? Since, as much as you seem to dislike it, they are just that; different.

Its great that you want to feel like a hulking juggernaut, and that you will get the chance to; but why are you trying to impose your preference upon those that rolled a female character, when they might have other reasons for choosing dark knight? There are plenty of people that like the exposed midriff design for the female dragoons. I expect plenty of people would be happy with and welcome a similar design for female dark knights.

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Plenty of female characters need not look like striped down versions of their male counter parts, Unohana Retsu never did and she held the mantel of Kenpachi for quite a while.

Predominately many are flocking to DRK due to the look of the job. So far it has been presented as vicious fighter capable of both magical and physical attacks. The imposing look is what is making it popular, the want to look imposing should not be the sole providence of male characters. The fact 33 pages and 330 post later can attest to the interest of this topic, the OP has well over 300 likes. All this says to me that plenty of those that use female characters also want feel like fierce, imposing, vicious tanks, even if they never wanted to be juggernauts, they deserve to be taken seriously.

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Nah, it's on the original designs:
http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery...gon-knight.jpg
http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery.../ff14-bard.jpg.

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Ah, that's interesting. Strange that he went that direction, doesn't seem very Yoshida to only poke holes in things. I guess time restraints could've been a problem as well.

I'm fine with small changes for the female designs to be more feminine, but I think just putting holes in them is a bit lazy. The Bard outfit is sort of unisex to begin with (heavy on the long flowing cloth), so there's no real problems with the cleavage hole they added in for females in terms of the overall feel. But the Dragoon stomach hole is just... really weird.

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I personally do not want DRK to have an exposed midriff. I think that feminine and sexy are often conflated, and I think that that's the problem with the DRG design for a lot of people. It seems like it's going more for sexy.

I think that a female dark knight can still look cool, and imposing in that armor, and I think that it can maintain that while still looking flattering on a female character. Sometimes I want to look cool in a set of armor while still having my character's gender identifiable. I think that's what's so great about a lot of the FFT female character designs. They're identifiable as both the job, and the gender, without equating sex with feminine.

That's not to say that I don't think sexy can be cool, too, or that sexy designs are unacceptable. I just think that the job designs should be modest, but still flattering to my gender.

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I see what you're saying; and i disagree. I don't think job designs should be modest, i think they should look good. Sexy looks good. Powerful, also looks good. Why is it bad for male characters to look powerful, and for female characters to look sexy? Such diversity reflects life; look at professional fitness models and you can clearly see that male fitness models look powerful, while female fitness models look sexy. And they are supposed to represent the aesthetic pinnacle of the human form.

An exposed midriff is not a thong, and its frankly ridiculous that its being regarded as though it is. I find this kind of repressive outrage to be rather misogynistic, an attempt to deny women their right to look like women. It just isn't right.

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Ah, that's interesting. Strange that he went that direction, doesn't seem very Yoshida to only poke holes in things. I guess time restraints could've been a problem as well.

I'm fine with small changes for the female designs to be more feminine, but I think just putting holes in them is a bit lazy. The Bard outfit is sort of unisex to begin with (heavy on the long flowing cloth), so there's no real problems with the cleavage hole they added in for females in terms of the overall feel. But the Dragoon stomach hole is just... really weird.

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The Dragoon Bellyhole is b/c FemDRGs are like Minfillia -- they wanna git that gutpunch every now and then.

Seriously, could make a montage of all the times Minfillia gets gutpunched, slapped, or otherwise injured due to that bellyhole and play Beethoven's symphony behind it.

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I see what you're saying; and i disagree. I don't think job designs should be modest, i think they should look good. Sexy looks good. Powerful, also looks good. Why is it bad for male characters to look powerful, and for female characters to look sexy? Such diversity reflects life; look at professional fitness models and you can clearly see that male fitness models look powerful, while female fitness models look sexy. And they are supposed to represent the aesthetic pinnacle of the human form.

An exposed midriff is not a thong, and its frankly ridiculous that its being regarded as though it is. I find this kind of repressive outrage to be rather misogynistic, an attempt to deny women their right to look like women. It just isn't right.

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Ever stop to think maybe a female player wants to feel powerful? Such things do exist in life, and should exist in game as well. She may want to be a Powerful Dark Knight instead of a Sexy Dark Knight.

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Plenty of female characters need not look like striped down versions of their male counter parts, Unohana Retsu never did and she held the mantel of Kenpachi for quite a while.

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Unohana, for the longest time, was presented to us as a meek healer, and her appearance gave us no reason to suspect she was anything other than that. At no point did she ever look anywhere near as imposing or as physically threatening as Zaraki. And you know what? That was perfectly fine. She may not have been the hulking powerhouse that Zaraki is, but she was a capable and powerful kenpachi in her own right. She didn't need to look like Zaraki to stand against him. Wrong example pal.

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Predominately many are flocking to DRK due to the look of the job. So far it has been presented as vicious fighter capable of both magical and physical attacks. The imposing look is what is making it popular, the want to look imposing should not be the sole providence of male characters. The fact 33 pages and 330 post later can attest to the interest of this topic, the OP has well over 300 likes. All this says to me that plenty of those that use female characters also want feel like fierce, imposing, vicious tanks, even if they never wanted to be juggernauts, they deserve to be taken seriously.

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The way the job has been presented to us, it looks menacing and powerful. It would not look nearly as menacing or as powerful if they had depicted a male lalafel as a dark knight instead of a male au ra. Many of the people flocking to dark knight will change to a male au ra because they look vicious and imposing. That does not mean that lalafel dark knights will look vicious or imposing, and I'm quite sure that they will not.

That doesn't mean that you shouldn't take lala dark knights seriously, because its the player's skill that will decide if they are seen as imposing tanks, not their physical stature. If you turn out to be rubbish as a dark knight, the fact that you rolled a male rho will not prevent people from deciding not to take you seriously, however much of a juggernaut you may appear to be.

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Ever stop to think maybe a female player wants to feel powerful? Such things do exist in life, and should exist in game as well. She may want to be a Powerful Dark Knight instead of a Sexy Dark Knight.

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And what about the lalafels that want to look like human juggernauts? who will speak for them? Why can't they look like Powerful Dark Knights instead of infant children in costumes?

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....Sexy looks good. Powerful, also looks good. Why is it bad for male characters to look powerful, and for female characters to look sexy?

....I find this kind of repressive outrage to be rather misogynistic, an attempt to deny women their right to look like women. It just isn't right.

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...why are you trying to impose your preference upon those that rolled a female character, when they might have other reasons for choosing dark knight?

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Do you see? Please tell me you do.

Time to go read something other than Conan the Barbarian.

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Unohana, for the longest time, was presented to us as a meek healer, and her appearance gave us no reason to suspect she was anything other than that. At no point did she ever look anywhere near as imposing or as physically threatening as Zaraki. And you know what? That was perfectly fine. She may not have been the hulking powerhouse that Zaraki is, but she was a capable and powerful kenpachi in her own right. She didn't need to look like Zaraki to stand against him. Wrong example pal.


The way the job has been presented to us, it looks menacing and powerful. It would not look nearly as menacing or as powerful if they had depicted a male lalafel as a dark knight instead of a male au ra. Many of the people flocking to dark knight will change to a male au ra because they look vicious and imposing. That does not mean that lalafel dark knights will look vicious or imposing, and I'm quite sure that they will not.

That doesn't mean that you shouldn't take lala dark knights seriously, because its the player's skill that will decide if they are seen as imposing tanks, not their physical stature. If you turn out to be rubbish as a dark knight, the fact that you rolled a male rho will not prevent people from deciding not to take you seriously, however much of a juggernaut you may appear to be.

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1. Sorry "pal" the point I was addressing was that she was dressed as a Captain class Soul Reaper, not a cheerleader. The character was not represented as meek but refined, respected, sometimes even feared. You simply missed the point "pal".

2. Weather or not a Lala wants to be taken seriously isn't the issue, those that chose that race often did not do so for their imposing characteristics. The topic for many here has been on the over/ unnecessary sexualization of Artifact Armour of a job, in relation to female characters, regardless of chosen race. The right to appear as a powerful Dark Knight is not an option only you deserve to have "pal".

3. The fact that I chose a male Highlander have little to do with my skill as a Dark Knight. How someone conducts themselves as their chosen job should be the basis as to weather or not they are taken seriously, on that we can agree, however the fact is by your logic only men can be powerful, while females can only ever be sexy...Are you ok "pal"? What era do you think we are in?

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An exposed midriff is not a thong, and its frankly ridiculous that its being regarded as though it is. I find this kind of repressive outrage to be rather misogynistic, an attempt to deny women their right to look like women. It just isn't right.

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Well with the DRG AF armour, it's not really practical. Aside from the obvious "stab here" target, it would also (in a realistic sense) prevent female characters from being able to twist or bend their bodies. Imagine having the pointy parts of the midriff stabbing into or scraping against their chest if they decided to enter combat. The monsters could sit back and watch the DRG kill themselves from blood loss.

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Well with the DRG AF armour, it's not really practical. Aside from the obvious "stab here" target, it would also (in a realistic sense) prevent female characters from being able to twist or bend their bodies. Imagine having the pointy parts of the midriff stabbing into or scraping against their chest if they decided to enter combat. The monsters could sit back and watch the DRG kill themselves from blood loss.

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Yeah...because we all know that armor designs in FFXIV are super practical with that on exception.....yeah....right....

I can sign under on this

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Sexy looks good. Powerful, also looks good. Why is it bad for male characters to look powerful, and for female characters to look sexy? ...
An exposed midriff is not a thong, and its frankly ridiculous that its being regarded as though it is. I find this kind of repressive outrage to be rather misogynistic, an attempt to deny women their right to look like women. It just isn't right.

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Indeed, but I would also contend that female characters can look powerful and feminine, without pulling out 'sexy' as a trump card. Folks one reality you have to accept, and this is baked into the gender differences in FFXIV, males tend towards raw strength, and might for their power, while females tend towards less physical traits - their physique illustrates this. Historically females have also made use of their most obvious physical advantage over males, their allure. Armor designs should reflect these things even for DoW classes - imho.

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Well with the DRG AF armour, it's not really practical. Aside from the obvious "stab here" target, it would also (in a realistic sense) prevent female characters from being able to twist or bend their bodies. Imagine having the pointy parts of the midriff stabbing into or scraping against their chest if they decided to enter combat. The monsters could sit back and watch the DRG kill themselves from blood loss.

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This is a final fantasy, I think we're lucky the female armor is (mostly) practical and fairly conservative.

Final Fantasy games with a Job system (that changes appearance) tend to shy away from any forms of fan service. Take a look at FFIII, FFV, FFXI and FFT Job gear (especially the ones that are usually tanks or usually wear heavy armour).

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Ever stop to think maybe a female player wants to feel powerful? Such things do exist in life, and should exist in game as well. She may want to be a Powerful Dark Knight instead of a Sexy Dark Knight.

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I'm one of those, I want to look powerful and fierce, not sexy.

Who really cares, no one is gonna be wearing the AF armor. I suppose you could glamor it but I guarantee most people will not. Sure, it might be a big deal for those few who will glamor the AF into everything but certainly not worth this level of discussion.

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Women have it rough cause men are pigs...Funny and immature pigs...

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...humorous-comic

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After a whole day of ****, this made me smile. Actually it was more of a giggle but I still had to smile.

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However getting back to the topic. Dark Knight JSE will be modified for female characters due to women having a different anatomy compared to men.

See the difference between male and female Dark Knight attire?

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20111103033639

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At least the dude's DRG AF doesn't have a massive open weakspot. It's not a matter of saying "Make the girl's version of the coliseum set like actual armor!" it's "Hey this armor looks like it has a horrid gaping weakspot that's asking for dragons to gnaw there, why don't the guys have it if the girl's do?"

Like I said in another threat, please make the DRG AF look like the guys, give everyone access to the silly (And dumb IMHO) open belly "Sexy" option, so that they can nab it if they want, but do not make the default for armor "Sexy".

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Because the rest of the set might actually look cool while the top might have a boob window for some dumb reason and folks don't want to have to deal with that. People have different concerns and priorities, in this case folks don't want a repeat of the AF DRG gear



Honestly, I wish the girl PCs in the game had more options to look tough and powerful, currently we've got Roegadyn ladies as an option but they're still no were near as tough and powerful looking as the guys of the race. I was really hoping Xaela Au Ra women would look powerful and stocky for once while the guys would look as waifish as the Auri girls do, but that didn't happen.
But to the topic itself, armor isn't suppose to look "sexy and feminine", it should exist to be protective of the body. I would prefer SE save midriffs and boob windows for silly glamours. Now, if the armor for the men and women PCs are both equally revealing, I suppose I don't see an issue to that, girls look ridiculous, guys look ridiculous, everyone wins.

There exists doesn't really mean much, imo. For either direction. It seems to be a popular response, mainly on the why to have, but I suppose it could be the either way. There exists skimpy costumes (or one gendered) does not mean there should or should not be more, as much as it just means there has been. It doesn't change people's feelings if they dislike that sort of thing already. "I don't like pink for this case, please keep this red as the male version" "there exists pink female costumes - your concern is silly, besides I like pink costumes", at least the first part of the rebuttal means little and second part just a differing opinion.

Also I'm not sure why the gear that is most protective appears to be considered masculine, I feel like that is a sign that we've really failed to know about armor or equality/strength of females. Boob caves and body windows would never be on real armor, unless you wanted to die. I don't say that to mean showing more of the female body doesn't exaggerate them being "female", but that female armor would lack both of these qualities and appear very similar to male armor.Certainly this game is not purely based on real life rules but there are purposes and lines to reality, affirmed by the clear theme of tank's generally more visually protective armor being more protective statistically. A few armors may have features specific for the males, just as extra visual decoration, but females wearing armor as armor then should not be called females in masculine armor... Regarding armor as armor the request for feminine armor is just the same as requesting armor for males. Rather should say I want "un-armor" lol, or "sexy costume armor".

SE mostly has equal opportunity bad "realistic" decisions, costumes with themes, generally. Which is the best sort of "costume" armor. However, armor changes like Dragoon's armor will always make me shake my head, on a different level. Women should be able to wear armor known as 'armor', and it should stop being called male armor - that's silly. Women should be able to look fierce and strong like a male may appear, be an impervious boss steamroller, and while it isn't my personal preference if there is to be sexy armor then men should be able to look fabulously sexy too - in a similar way. To have them seperate, especially when one is in closer form to what someone would reasonably wear and the other one is just shy of calling for seppuku. . Orz. Equal opportunity Mijin Gakure, that's all.

Out of the consistency they've made so far with tank armors (the most "armor" of armors), the feedback made for Dragoon's AF1 and that AF2 doesn't have the window, I feel fairly confident they won't make one side look like they were a few straps missing and a few screws loose compared their counterpart. Also knowing SE I can't imagine them not making some sexy time armor in the future for both genders, they can't help themselves :D.

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At least the dude's DRG AF doesn't have a massive open weakspot. It's not a matter of saying "Make the girl's version of the coliseum set like actual armor!" it's "Hey this armor looks like it has a horrid gaping weakspot that's asking for dragons to gnaw there, why don't the guys have it if the girl's do?"

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A dragon can eat a DRG with one bite, with or without a covered belly

https://youtu.be/dcVSLjvi6W0?t=259

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A dragon can eat a DRG with one bite, with or without a covered belly

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Maybe one like Vishap, but those one in the heavensward trailer looked like they had some issues fitting Dragons in their maws, and they seem to be the general force in the Dravanian horde. Chances are the reason why the DRG AF armor has all the spikes and blades on it are to deter dragons from just chomping on down, at least not without getting a mouth full of blood and a torn up throat. Either way, big open spot means easy stabby stabby.

DRK AF should just a bra for lawl. People still don't get it that a JP game will be more geared to JP taste than NA/EU taste. Who cares what it looks like as long as it's providing survivability.

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Maybe one like Vishap, but those one in the heavensward trailer looked like they had some issues fitting Dragons in their maws, and they seem to be the general force in the Dravanian horde. Chances are the reason why the DRG AF armor has all the spikes and blades on it are to deter dragons from just chomping on down, at least not without getting a mouth full of blood and a torn up throat. Either way, big open spot means easy stabby stabby.

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Did you not seen how a DRG jumped with Elusive Jump direct in the maw of a dragon behind him in the trailer? ^^

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Did you not seen how a DRG jumped with Elusive Jump direct in the maw of a dragon behind him in the trailer? ^^

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No greater weak spot than carving out the belly of a beast. DRG are damn insane and possibly nigh suicidal considering they train to fight dragons as a chosen enemy. So being eaten is something that is possibly planned? The razor sharp spines, spikes, and spurs on the DRG probably mean that even in the event of death and being eaten they will be taking the dragon with them.

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I'm pretty sure not every Japanese person wants tankini sets. SE's had an alright track record with this and FFXIV, minus a few hiccups, and we're hoping it doesn't stop. It's about building a semi-immersive world, if the guys are wearing big hulking armor, why are the girl's wearing stuff that shows off their breasts? If you're gonna say "magic lol" then why wouldn't the guys also have skimpy looking outfits as well?

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I mean, I'm sure if you nose dive into the dragon making yourself as narrow as possible, you'll probably slip right in without issue, but I recall some of them being snatched out of the air in a less seemingly planned manor (IE their head, arms, and legs were outside the mouth). You really don't want to risk accidentally getting teeth to the gut then, which the belly hole seems to make a whole lot easier. Like what Lewtskie said maybe it's intentional to they cut the beast up while slipping down in?

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I spy a salty Dragoon.

As a tip, the midriff section is missing for both male and female Dragoons. Its only noticeable on females because the males wear a chain undershirt.

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Idk, I've seen like 3 people at best use AF appearance for the Tanks. Everyone I've seen is in either Allagan or Ironworks or Skimpy Armor. If people really care that much about the AF, many would use it but it seems pointless to me that many would voice an opinion just to voice it and not be fully committed to the cause. I wouldn't be surprise if half the people voicing this cause have skimpy outfits on other classes.

A lot of us will be wearing the AF2 when we get it, much like how we wore our AF's back when we first hit level 50 in the 2.0 (or 1.23) days. We'll continue to wear the AF2's until we get the i160-i170/Alexander gear... unless the AF2 gear is the i170 stuff.