Yo-Kai Event: BLU Major Griefing Problem

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

Or, sure, fill up your limited blacklist with players who've done nothing to you, don't even care about you at all, see how well that goes for you in a few months.

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These people were already having a negative impact, not sure how blacklisting them makes it "worse" for me, lol.

And like you said, they don't care (and they shouldn't), which means nothing was lost on their end or mine when they get added so everyone wins. Hell, I've probably been blacklisted *myself* for being caught blue-handed, so even if there was a downside to being added, I would have to deal with it too and acknowledge it's the "best they can do" as well.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

It is griefing no matter you look upon it as in no way of being able to competete without having to have some optional none gameplay based side job.

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I didn't complete Savage Eden so I didn't get the 4 person mount. Those Savage raiders are griefing me.

If you didn't put the time into leveling a job, for whatever reason (you don't care, it's optional, you've no interest in it, whatever...), that's your decision.

And it still doesn't block anyone from completing anything. As long as you get to the FATE, get a few hits in, get your participation to be silver or gold medal, you get a chance at a medal drop.

You can make 10 medals per day very easily in 2-3 hours of gameplay, blue mages or no blue mages, and finish the event in 17 days. The event lasts until the end of June. Nobody's being left out, unless they choose to be left out.

As for non-gameplay job, this just tells me that you don't play the job much. Level 80 blue mage moon flute opener needs so many buttons to be pressed so fast I can't even do most of it correctly.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

I didn't complete Savage Eden so I didn't get the 4 person mount. Those Savage raiders are griefing me.

If you didn't put the time into leveling a job, for whatever reason (you don't care, it's optional, you've no interest in it, whatever...), that's your decision.

And it still doesn't block anyone from completing anything. As long as you get to the FATE, get a few hits in, get your participation to be silver or gold medal, you get a chance at a medal drop.

You can make 10 medals per day very easily in 2-3 hours of gameplay, blue mages or no blue mages, and finish the event in 17 days. The event lasts until the end of June. Nobody's being left out, unless they choose to be left out.

As for non-gameplay job, this just tells me that you don't play the job much. Level 80 blue mage moon flute opener needs so many buttons to be pressed so fast I can't even do most of it correctly.

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On mobile, this is a nightmare to format, so excuse the crudeness of my reply.

Your first paragraph isn't the same thing. If you have a mount, which is also a stupid argument, would've been better. Even if both are terrible in general. Somebody having something you don't have isn't griefing. Now, if I traded to you and made it to where you couldn't mount and missed the FATE, that's greifing.

Your second one isn't much better. It ignores Atma farming or personal choice. Under normal circumstances, neither would be affected by this event and be able to be used in service of each other, but people are selfish, and here we are.

Your third paragraph is mostly correct. Most people I saw were stopping to complain instead of trying to get silver. I fought tooth and nail because I didn't want to keep doing this event. Let's face it this event sucks as it is.

The rest I agree with and / or don't care enough to comment on.

It surprises me how people are still doing this on Dynamis a month into the event. I still make PFs daily to try to farm this and I'm fighting BLU and groups of players every single day who refuse to do the bare minimum to coexist.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

It surprises me how people are still doing this on Dynamis a month into the event. I still make PFs daily to try to farm this and I'm fighting BLU and groups of players every single day who refuse to do the bare minimum to coexist.

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That was my initial impetus to even post here about it. I was trying to group and play nice like an adult, and apparently sharing and caring aren't taught in school anymore. I put up party finders made the effort to promote group play, and I was labeled the bad guy.

Sink or swim like I was playing World of Warcraft or something.

But someone will come and post under me using olympic level mental gymnastics to make me who wanted to share look selfish. Mark my words.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Your first paragraph isn't the same thing. If you have a mount, which is also a stupid argument, would've been better. Even if both are terrible in general. Somebody having something you don't have isn't griefing.

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Wrong. Because all your arguments around blue mage players griefing are silly. They hinge on the idea that my having leveled and playing a job that I enjoy to complete a piece of content that I don't enjoy, as soon as possible, is griefing. They're playing a job you're refusing to play by your own decision. If you refuse to do something in game, you don't get the reward for it, simple as that. Perhaps you should attempt to understand the argument being made before replying to it.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Your second one isn't much better. It ignores Atma farming or personal choice. Under normal circumstances, neither would be affected by this event and be able to be used in service of each other, but people are selfish, and here we are.

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Atma farming isn't going anywhere, it's been in the game for a decade, it's going to be here after June too, it's completely irrelevant as an argument. Also, the rating of the FATE has no bearing on Atma drop rates, only if the FATE was successful and you were a part of it matters. Perhaps read the wiki on relics before spouting that off. You can work toward both regardless of blue mages, nobody is griefing you. If anything, if you're Atma farming, you should be following the Blue Mages, whack a mob or two and leave, your chances will be higher since Blue Mages end FATEs quicker.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Your third paragraph is mostly correct. Most people I saw were stopping to complain instead of trying to get silver. I fought tooth and nail because I didn't want to keep doing this event. Let's face it this event sucks as it is.

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Well, duh! That's why we're doing the event on Blue Mage. Nobody is griefing you is my point.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

There's very very few blue mages who instantly end FATEs, and those are only ARR boss FATEs where that's possible. Please don't hyperbolise.

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Good to know they are doing this only on ARR fates that are needed for 13 out 17 weapons.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

I didn't complete Savage Eden so I didn't get the 4 person mount. Those Savage raiders are griefing me.

If you didn't put the time into leveling a job, for whatever reason (you don't care, it's optional, you've no interest in it, whatever...), that's your decision.

And it still doesn't block anyone from completing anything. As long as you get to the FATE, get a few hits in, get your participation to be silver or gold medal, you get a chance at a medal drop.

You can make 10 medals per day very easily in 2-3 hours of gameplay, blue mages or no blue mages, and finish the event in 17 days. The event lasts until the end of June. Nobody's being left out, unless they choose to be left out.

As for non-gameplay job, this just tells me that you don't play the job much. Level 80 blue mage moon flute opener needs so many buttons to be pressed so fast I can't even do most of it correctly.

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That is an entire other thing, completing Savage and Ultimates is only Optional content as well and the rewards in it as well.

We are talking about an event that should be available to all regardless of whatever and using BLU for it is a major exploit that can be used to grief ordinary people and technically can be reported as well.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

It surprises me how people are still doing this on Dynamis a month into the event. I still make PFs daily to try to farm this and I'm fighting BLU and groups of players every single day who refuse to do the bare minimum to coexist.

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I'm fortunate enough that I got all of the ARR and both Heavensward weapons done, but since I haven't reached Stormblood yet, I can't work on the last two weapons and honestly, I don't feel inclined to rush HW *just* to put up with more of the same issues but in a different expansion's zones.

The event in general makes me feel bad about being on a low-pop data center now too, because it's just that much easier for Travelers to come over and take whatever they want (ironic given how many of them likely came over after *they* got pushed out on their home server), and then the local folks we have get avoidant or hostile with anyone not on their FC/friend list because if they don't "adapt and play the game as intended" (as some Blue Mages call it) by being greedy jerks themselves, they'll continue to get left out.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

But someone will come and post under me using olympic level mental gymnastics to make me who wanted to share look selfish. Mark my words.

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Man, get a load of this Scrooge, *demanding* people be *considerate* of each other. :P

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

We are talking about an event that should be available to all regardless of whatever and using BLU for it is a major exploit that can be used to grief ordinary people and technically can be reported as well.

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It is available to all though. Regardless of the blue mages or not, as long as you go into the FATE, whack the mobs enough to get a silver rank in it, you have a chance at a medal drop. There's still rng in play, you might get lucky, you might get unlucky, but a single weapon is easily doable per day, even on a normal job, in a 3 hour play session.

The blue mages aren't stopping you from farming the event, only you can stop you from farming the event.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Good to know they are doing this only on ARR fates that are needed for 13 out 17 weapons.

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Even in ARR, not all boss FATEs can be one shot. Some can, yes. And most FATEs aren't boss FATEs to begin with. So you're dealing with a minority of blue mages who might do that, in the chance that it was a boss FATE that can be one shot, out of all the FATEs in all the zones in the ARR regions, and calling all blue mages griefers because of it.

Each medal can be earned in multiple zones, each zone has multiple FATEs, the FATEs respawn at a decently quick rate. Just stop the hyperbole. This entire thread is filled with hyperbolic statements or outright lies.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

Even in ARR, not all boss FATEs can be one shot. Some can, yes. And most FATEs aren't boss FATEs to begin with. So you're dealing with a minority of blue mages who might do that, in the chance that it was a boss FATE that can be one shot, out of all the FATEs in all the zones in the ARR regions, and calling all blue mages griefers because of it.

Each medal can be earned in multiple zones, each zone has multiple FATEs, the FATEs respawn at a decently quick rate. Just stop the hyperbole. This entire thread is filled with hyperbolic statements or outright lies.

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It doesn't really matter if they are a minority even 1 Blue mage OS a fate before you barely had time to attack is annoying. There is absolutly no excuse for this behavior and yours who defend it. We don't care about its only 2 minutes. Its a few Blue. We want you to stop ruining other people event just for a slightly faster kill. "I act like a jerk but here's why I'm not a bad person" give us a break.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

That is an entire other thing, completing Savage and Ultimates is only Optional content as well and the rewards in it as well.

We are talking about an event that should be available to all regardless of whatever and using BLU for it is a major exploit that can be used to grief ordinary people and technically can be reported as well.

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Just to play devil's advocate, the Yokai Watch is also optional content and the rewards in it as well.

I have a question. If people intentionally choose extremely inefficient jobs like tanks or healers to grind fates, is it also "griefing" to mow the mobs down as DPS? Should everyone take it slow for their sake?

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Originally Posted by Taliriah

I have a question. If people intentionally choose extremely inefficient jobs like tanks or healers to grind fates, is it also "griefing" to mow the mobs down as DPS? Should everyone take it slow for their sake?

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No, because no dps outside of a Blue Mage can end a FATE that fast.

People should be able to play whatever they want. The issue with that statement is that it doesn't take into account people going into business for themselves. I don't care if a Blue Mage is doing FATEs with me. No big deal, but when that Blue Mage is deleting the FATEs, you have a class balance issue. That unfortunately, people will abuse. The old saying "exploit early exploit often."

Again, to make it perfectly clear.

People are mad at the selfish griefing people.

Not Blue Mages in general. I shouldn't have to play that job to keep up. And if I do, that's bad game design. Intended or not, this comes up every time for a reason. I've seen normie memes about it for a reason. But SquareEnix won't do anything about it because one, they have bigger fish to fry, and two, it would make Blue Mage more of a target than it already is for harassment. I don't think it's right to attack the job. To be fair, I don't think it's right to attack the player either, but if you're being a selfish child hogging all the blocks, I'm going to call you out for it. Strawman or not.

it will never be griefing, it will never be an exploit no matter how much you cry and how many buzzwords you use
you don't own the fates, it's rule of the fastest out in the overworld, probably missed like 10 fates just typing that
keep up and also, Beastmaster soon, can't wait until my a Red Comet goes thermonuclear on a fate, it's gonna be great gemstone farming

Credit for Fates works on enmity, not damage.

I soloed everything on drk and got pretty much all gold medals even with blue mages and groups around. I just apply tank stance, throw my weapon (high enmity + range), taunt and either keep throwing my weapon or use aoe to keep building aggro when I am not alone.

The other good thing with a tank is that all abilities are insta cast and there are ogcds too whereas Blue mage hydro pull, Ram’s voice and ultra vibration, choco meteor are 2s each. With drk I have enough speed and aggro to simply ignore blue mages. I would not do low level fates on a blm during an event because of cast times and lack of abilities to mitigate the long casts at low levels.

When I am sure I have enough to get full credit, I stop doing damage to give a chance to other players that are around as the low level fates are very fast.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

That is an entire other thing, completing Savage and Ultimates is only Optional content as well and the rewards in it as well.

We are talking about an event that should be available to all regardless of whatever and using BLU for it is a major exploit that can be used to grief ordinary people and technically can be reported as well.

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I dont understand you are going to report players that are using something that the game provided is crazy. I think you need to take step back. Mind you this is a optional side content that anyone can do.

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Originally Posted by Axxion

I dont understand you are going to report players that are using something that the game provided is crazy. I think you need to take step back. Mind you this is a optional side content that anyone can do.

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By definition, griefing is something you can do using game systems to disrupt other people's play. Much like putting an obsidian block on someone's door or tnting someone's house in Minecraft. It's all stuff the game allows, but any server would ban you if you did it. People make their own rules for certain actions, but it kinda stands the same on its own. Irregardless of the present situation. I'm just adding this. You guys can keep arguing if you want, but I wanted to add that.

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Originally Posted by Axxion

I dont understand you are going to report players that are using something that the game provided is crazy. I think you need to take step back. Mind you this is a optional side content that anyone can do.

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Try to spam holy like an idiot in limsa and see how it goes?
"But I was just using a spell the game intended me to use"

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Originally Posted by Menriq

Just to play devil's advocate, the Yokai Watch is also optional content and the rewards in it as well.

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Not getting very far with it as you know for yourself that, that is already shot down.

Yokai event as so many other events has been based on that you can do them from being very low level and not even be able to fly and the likes, none of these events has been based on some sideshow job can just waltz in and override everything, you know it is wrong, and that is just how it is, it create an unfair advantage towards the actual jobs inside the game.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Try to spam holy like an idiot in limsa and see how it goes?
"But I was just using a spell the game intended me to use"

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Try reporting people for clearing fates quickly with blu and see how it goes?
Griefing the poor GM with false reports!

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

Try reporting people for clearing fates quickly with blu and see how it goes?
Griefing the poor GM with false reports!

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If someone one shot a fate with blue and is asked to not do it so people can participate to the fate and keep doing it they will absolutly get rekt by gm.

If a blue mage is using hydro pull and aoe to kill mobs faster they won't get in any trouble and nobody has problem with blues like that anyway.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

If someone one shot a fate with blue and is asked to not do it so people can participate to the fate and keep doing it they will absolutly get rekt by gm.

If a blue mage is using hydro pull and aoe to kill mobs faster they won't get in any trouble and nobody has problem with blues like that anyway.

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Asking someone to stop doing something that isn't against the rules doesn't turn whatever that person is doing into something illegal just because you asked.
That's like if you asked a group of players that goes around the world blowing up A-ranks to leave the A's for the train or they'll get reported, yeah that has happened before and it always leads to the same result, fates and world bosses are all fair game.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Not getting very far with it as you know for yourself that, that is already shot down.

Yokai event as so many other events has been based on that you can do them from being very low level and not even be able to fly and the likes, none of these events has been based on some sideshow job can just waltz in and override everything, you know it is wrong, and that is just how it is, it create an unfair advantage towards the actual jobs inside the game.

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Your opinion can say it's wrong, but as of now, it does not appear that SE has any issue with it. People complained about ilevel cheese for AR, and nothing happened for years. When SE did it address it, I didn't hear of any reports of people who were doing it "getting rekt by a gm" as someone else mentioned. If they change it, then they change it. If they don't, all you can do is voice your displeasure, but I have serious doubts that anything will come of these reports to GM.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

Asking someone to stop doing something that isn't against the rules doesn't turn whatever that person is doing into something illegal just because you asked.

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Maybe not but I don’t see why people can’t be considerate and wait a few seconds before one shotting a fate when they know there are people right beside them trying to get credit too. I played as tank so I could ignore blue mages as I am faster and have high enmity but when I see people around me trying to hit the fate boss or ads on a slower job, I just stop doing damage to give them a chance to get full credit as the ARR fates die in no time.

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That's like if you asked a group of players that goes around the world blowing up A-ranks to leave the A's for the train or they'll get reported, yeah that has happened before and it always leads to the same result, fates and world bosses are all fair game.

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No, it’s not. The train can be in a few hours, 20 minutes whatever. It’s not a matter of seconds. With fates it’s just letting people who are already there take a few hits so they can get credit too and not lose their time.

A better comparison would be A rank trains in older expansions (4.0 and 5.0) or during busy times when there are a lot of people. Some people will just try to hit as hard as they can despite people asking to slow dps resulting in some players not being able to get full credit because the boss dies too fast. I just throw my weapon twice to build enmity and (that’s all I need to get full credit) to try to give everyone present the opportunity to get full credit. I don’t get why being considerate is so difficult to some.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Maybe not but I don’t see why people can’t be considerate and wait a few seconds before one shotting a fate when they know there are people right beside them trying to get credit too. I played as tank so I could ignore blue mages as I am faster and have high enmity but when I see people around me trying to hit the fate boss or ads on a slower job, I just stop doing damage to give them a chance to get full credit as the ARR fates die in no time.

No, it’s not. The train can be in a few hours, 20 minutes whatever. It’s not a matter of seconds. With fates it’s just letting people who are already there take a few hits so they can get credit too and not lose their time.

A better comparison would be A rank trains in older expansions (4.0 and 5.0) or during busy times when there are a lot of people. Some people will just try to hit as hard as they can despite people asking to slow dps resulting in some players not being able to get full credit because the boss dies too fast. I just throw my weapon twice to build enmity and that’s all I need to get full credit. I don’t get why being considerate is so difficult to some.

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Sure its rude to instakill, but it's not griefing or an exploit like many people here suggest. It's absolutely not bannable and it's insane to ask for blu nerfs because of this silly event.
My simple rule has always been the second I see my entire party land and attack the enemies it's fair game to pop every primal at the fate.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Try to spam holy like an idiot in limsa and see how it goes?
"But I was just using a spell the game intended me to use"

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here is the thing with that you can control that by going to your settings. Can you not ask the person to stop? or just move. To me that is a non issue. A real issue is using things that are not in game like using vacum hacks now that will ruin the game but me using a class that has no function after the content for it drops and it collects dust

Making false reports will clutter the real issues being reported

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

By definition, griefing is something you can do using game systems to disrupt other people's play. Much like putting an obsidian block on someone's door or tnting someone's house in Minecraft. It's all stuff the game allows, but any server would ban you if you did it. People make their own rules for certain actions, but it kinda stands the same on its own. Irregardless of the present situation. I'm just adding this. You guys can keep arguing if you want, but I wanted to add that.

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Here is the thing, when the first event happened nothing more nothing less. This job was designed to be limited. If the job was not limited then it would not be a issue. If you want to do this content then you have to level one, join a party with one or just go to another server. Dont say that does not happen. or the other option is to wait to see if it goes to the mog station

So what again is it really needed to report players for playing a class that can make the grind easier? For a class that cant really do nothing else out side of the content that it was design for?

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

Sure its rude to instakill, but it's not griefing or an exploit like many people here suggest. It's absolutely not bannable and it's insane to ask for blu nerfs because of this silly event.
My simple rule has always been the second I see my entire party land and attack the enemies it's fair game to pop every primal at the fate.

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It’s true and never said the opposite. I also agree that there is no point nerfing blue mages but I wish people had more manners. It’s really not hard to use lesser attacks for a few seconds so every one can get a shot before nuking everything. Anyway, playing a tank or at least a job with instant abilities helps mitigate the blue mage «problem». Blue mages are slow casters.

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Originally Posted by Axxion

here is the thing with that you can control that by going to your settings. Can you not ask the person to stop? or just move. To me that is a non issue. A real issue is using things that are not in game like using vacum hacks now that will ruin the game but me using a class that has no function after the content for it drops and it collects dust



Here is the thing, this was a thing when the first event happened nothing more nothing less. This job was designed to be limited. If the job was not limited then it would not be a issue. If you want to do this content then you have to level one, join a party with one or just go to another server. Dont say that does not happen. or the other option is to wait to see if it goes to the mog station

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To be fair, I had a miserable time finding parties or getting people to join mine. I did the event mostly solo honesly. Once I started abusing off hour times when nobody was on, it was better. But "just join a group." Was impossible.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

To be fair, I had a miserable time finding parties or getting people to join mine. I did the event mostly solo honesly. Once I started abusing off hour times when nobody was on, it was better. But "just join a group." Was impossible.

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Listen you are kinda putting yourself in this. And i do not say this in a nefarious way, have try asking on other platforms, have you world hop to see if groups are up for it. If you did it solo then of course it will be miserable

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Originally Posted by Axxion

Listen you are kinda putting yourself in this. And i do not say this in a nefarious way, have try asking on other platforms, have you world hop to see if groups are up for it. If you did it solo then of course it will be miserable

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Basically, just party finder. I got lucky day 1, but after that, there were fewer and fewer. I haven't been in an FC for a minute so I didn't have that to fall back on and I don't join random Discords, but in my realm hoping it was always very few parties in zones I didn't need. When I would find giant groups of players unlisted, I would ask in shout maybe one in say and then just play solo as much as I could. The first few days were a nightmare, but once I changed my process to an hour when I woke up and OCE realms, it wasn't as bad. Besides the ping issues. It just bothered me that most people said shut up and join a group where there were none.

I've moved away from griefing because you have to prove intent for that anyway, but I'm not moving away from people being unfriendly. That was the biggest "wow, I'm going to go play something else the second I am done with this event" moment. And I did. I haven't logged in since I finished the event.

Unlock Gunbreaker, turn on Tank Stance and use aoe combo in fate. Job done you will usually get gold every time and due to Gunbreakers starting level you don't even have to level it up even once.

Now that the event is half way, is anyone still struggling to get fates done?