To get marginally better* frame rates. Because ours are fine lol. But I'm glad your PC runs so well still!! I genuinely look forward to being in a better place financially and rejoining the ranks again one day. c:Quote:
Originally Posted by Selova
Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc
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08-03-2019, 06:29 AMsnarkomatic
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08-03-2019, 06:29 AMDemetri_DelethornEnjoy your fantasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxlStream
- Regards, a Top-Tier Healer -
08-03-2019, 06:52 AMHWalshStrictly speaking, yes, FFLogs is against the TOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
Which is why, in game, if you talk about data from FFLogs you can be banned.
FFLogs is a 3rd party app which interprets data from FFXIV and is a violation of the ToS. -
08-03-2019, 06:53 AMHWalshHorse crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxlStream
There are a LOT of top tier players who don't touch Savage. They just aren't interested in it. -
08-03-2019, 07:19 AMSaintlyYep, top tier players stick to Sastasha.Quote:
Originally Posted by HWalsh
But ill take your bait, so please tell us what do "top tier players" do? :)
They don't Sav content, cause "they're not interested in it" nothing to do with lacking the skills to.
I suppose they ain't at the top of PvP ladder also cause "they are not interested" in competitive PvP either.
I suppose they show their extreme skills at normal dungeons or end game fates? Chocobo races perhaps? :3 -
08-03-2019, 07:44 AMDemetri_DelethornWho said anything about Sastasha? If you're going to try to troll, at least make it believable. loolQuote:
Originally Posted by Saintly
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08-03-2019, 08:00 AMKurando
What people are questioning is if someone doesn't do Savage, then they have no high end content as measurement on whether they are a "Top-Tier Healer" or not. Healers can be good outside of Savage sure, but what's the top tier exactly in casual content; Expert Dungeons? Alliance Raids? Neither of these really push any kind of job, most can get through it doing the bare minimum if they really wanted, so what is being used to declare the title? How can one compare themselves against another who actually participates in Savage? To be amongst the best, you literally have to do the same content as measurement or its no competition.
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08-03-2019, 08:17 AMGranyalaLet me put it this way: Back in ARR I came to FF-XIV, burned out from 8.5 years of Heroic/Mythic raiding in WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saintly
I still had my raid reflexes and skills but until mid Stormblood I wasn't interested in scheduled play or raiding at all.
No I don't consider myself "top tier" but I believe my skills are at least enough to handle the first 3 savages of a given Tier. My group didn't manage God Kefka though. :/ -
08-03-2019, 08:18 AMSelovaYou mean the same way you're making everyone believe that you're a "Top Tier Healer"? You've done a pretty bang up job on that recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn
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08-03-2019, 08:19 AMSaintlyOh well was worth a try. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn
Apparently you are one of the few people that no-one can bait in these forums i give you that.
Anyway, let me have another chance at guessing, Wanderers Palace?
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08-03-2019, 08:22 AMAxlStreamI ain't interested in your delusions either. Self proclaimed top tier players want to challenge themselves. Savage is a bare minimum for that pretending to be at that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by HWalsh
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08-03-2019, 08:35 AMShurrikhanThat something is against ToS does not mean that all information allowed for by the illegal activity are also against ToS. Nor does FFXIV have exclusive rights over information presented in its game sessions; else screenshots would also be against ToS if they so much as showed an activity against ToS, whether you were part of the guilty party or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by HWalsh
I can't run someone over; I may, however, be required to read about vehicular trauma for HBS or forensics classes.
Talking about FFlogs will not get you banned. Talking about your actively parsing, be it to send to FFlogs or for any other reason, can.
Edit: And let's be clear. FFlogs is not a 3rd party app. It is "third-party", sure, but it is not an app; it cannot be executed on its own. It is a website, first and foremost, and the same name is used for a plugin for ACT which conveniences uploading to that website. -
08-03-2019, 08:53 AMTalinthis
this should be on the playstation forums, not here.
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08-03-2019, 08:56 AMBLaCKnBLu3B3RRYi have to disagree with you there. new technologies have rolled in and aren't fully developed upon yet. in fact, this is probably the worst time to build any enthusiast level high-end gaming machine. ( unless you have that kind of cash, and are certain of your enthusiasm ) you can consider the new RTX cards out from Nvidia basically a beta series of cards. ( they are actually just GTX 10-series cards, but revamped/upgraded. ) and then we are still waiting for Intel, if you buy Intel, to pick back up with AMD. ( Intel has been making a lot of great strides in terms of software, but we are still waiting for them to respond to AMD's latest releases. this always goes on between AMD and Intel, but both companies tend to always meet or exceed expectations. ) if anyone is looking to spend big bucks on a PC, i would totally hold off. as far as a budget/relatively high-end machine goes with a GTX 10-series? it is solid to go for that right now, but i wouldn't expect to age very gracefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
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08-03-2019, 09:28 AMKaethraThen report everyone. Then we'll see who's right and who's wrong. Report everyone referencing FFLogs. If you don't, you're an accomplice.Quote:
Originally Posted by HWalsh
You don't support 3rd party programs and the cheaters that do, do you? -
08-03-2019, 10:37 AMDogempireUnpopular opinion, but just because you don't do savage doesn't mean that can't be top tier at your job.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxlStream
There are people out there who can easily be good raiders but don't bother because of the hoops associated with savage (Finding a group, setting a time aside, dying over and over to the same boss, etc.)
But that being said, healing is currently the easiest role in the game but gets a hell of a lot harder in savage content and you can't really get good at healing if all you do is just toss a regen on the tank and spam stone 99% of the time, so I suppose that's the exception to the rule. -
08-03-2019, 11:37 AMHWalshMention FFLogs and that you're parsing someone's DPS in game and I *will* report it. Very quickly in fact. That's been explicitly against the ToS forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaethra
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08-03-2019, 11:56 AMHWalshIt's not a delusion at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxlStream
People play for different things. I don't raid, for example, though I don't consider myself a top-tier player in FF XIV. I *was* a top tier player back in DAoC though. I was a world first at getting the 2nd BM epic. I was part of one of only 4 groups that ever downed the Hibernian dragon *in the world.* I was one of the first, if not the first, to figure out the optimal BM build and brought a class from the lowest DPS to the highest DPS. I did parse (though we did it by hand back then) and played with stats and builds and specs and ran variables about reactionaries and positional. I was regularly ranked at number 1 in damage across all servers in PvP.
So am I top tier in FF XIV? Nope. My physical disability limits me a bit... But, in the game I played for years and years, raid after raid to be the first to get that epic, which required me to go through that raid over 100 times. Of which I played the least popular class but was ranked number 1 on the leader boards (again, once other people started cracking it the population numbers rose sharply) I absolutely was top tier.
And ya know what?
I stopped raiding after the 2nd expansion cane out. My heart wasn't in it anymore. It was too much effort, took too much time, and just wasn't fun.
Am I capable of being a top tier FF XIV player? Eh. With technology making up for my disability I have no doubt that I could. It really isn't hard. Build the muscle memory, get down your rotation, get an instinctive grasp on refresh times for your CD so you don't need to think about it, then pay attention to mechanics and don't stand in the fire.
After all, for the most part those skills transfer...
Oddly, in time I'm going to do that anyway. Heck I'm already pulling aggro off of other tanks most of the time in dungeons/trials. I've solo'ed and duo'ed bosses more than once at this point.
Eventually I'm going to get all that muscle memory down, heck I already am, but I'm not going to ever do savages.
Why?
I just don't want to. It's not worth it to me. It's not fun.
I'd rather spend my time RPing with friends, decorating a house, playing mahjong in the Gold Saucer.
That has no bearing on my skill as a player. It is just where my interests lie.
Where I take offense to the statement is that you're equating a player's skill level with a player's activity.
You can be the best martial artist in the world and never once step foot into a tournament.
You can be the best FF XIV player in the world and never touch a Savage.
That's the place I take issue with your statement. -
08-03-2019, 01:08 PMKaethraI have to say, while this 'could' be possible. Its going to be highly unlikely. And here's why.Quote:
Originally Posted by HWalsh
To be the best, you need to have the best effort in all three aspects of competitive online play. Those three aspects require the following:
What you know.
What you have.
Who you know.
What you know is what you all are arguing over right now. This measures what we commonly call 'player skill'. This all your experience, knowledge of fights, mechanics, stats, everything. This is what makes players in less gear able to excel over those with lesser gear. To an extent.
What you have is pretty simple. That's your character levels, gear, materia, everything stored on the game's database that you have access to. Quite simply to do the most challenging content, you need the gear to go with. To beat those who are as skilled as you are, you need better gear. Again.. to an extent.
Then we have Who you know. This is the most often overlooked. This is your personal network of players you can draw from. It involves which server you play on, the Free Company you are in, the statics you are apart of, and your personal friends. To put it shortly, you can have the best gear, be god's gift to the game, and still not be able to have anything to show for it if you don't have good people to work with. This also measures your ability to work with others, your charisma, your leadership, and your ability to follow as well as lead.
So to say you are one of the best without being in a savage, doesn't really test those three aspects. To be the best, you need a team that can work together. Which is just as important as knowing the game and having the gear needed. So don't take this the wrong way, but choosing to not engage in that sort of high level play with likeminded folk does drop you an entire tier by virtue of the three aspects.
This doesn't make you a bad player. This doesn't make you a subpar player. The three aspects aren't meant to measure the potential of a player. Nor their worth to others (You said you wish to RP for example, that's of great worth to those you are likely RPing with) But to measure what their effect actually is. Within a competitive environment.
To put it shortly. To be the best, you have to be the best, actively, and competitively. -
08-03-2019, 01:18 PMHash_BrownsSee this right here is why I never mention FFLogs, and just kick people.Quote:
Originally Posted by HWalsh
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08-03-2019, 01:27 PMCaitsithhhWho hurt you?Quote:
Originally Posted by HWalsh
Why are even in here when you’re clearly a casual and most of the majority that took part in this discussion agreed explicitly that parsing wouldn’t be for anything but high end duties....?! We’ve excluded casuals as to be fair as possible. You’re acting like a salty and callous casual that’s jealous there’s a whole large group of people that enjoy having tools to play this game while doing content you said yourself you don’t. They don’t care for cards, housing, or w/e else you do to pass YOUR time in the game. They care about pushing themselves to be the best they can be. They aren’t parsing to harm a casual, I assure you.
You can stay in your casual content and would never once be bothered by parsing if implemented the way the majority would have it in the client. You can’t be bothered by someone doing content you won’t do.
This is in fact the whole root of the problem. You want ffxiv the way you want it. So does everyone else. There’s nothing wrong with that at all as long as it’s not detrimental to the game as a whole. Thinking parsing would harm the community is about as low IQ as it gets. I say this because it’s been around since the game started and it’s only grown to be the best community in any mmo. All while having parsing there under your nose...
If you don’t like it, ignore it. SE staff actively watch their hardcore members race to world first running parse windows in plain sight. Reporting players for taking part in something you don’t is going out of your way to harm another player’s preferred play style.
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08-03-2019, 01:28 PMKaylessaI'm so happy that FFXIV doesn't allow parses to be used in game. Was a part of a dungeon run in WoW a few days ago where we were burning through the dungeon, but the tank would list everybody's individual damage after every boss. Then they demanded we kick one of the DPS who was doing little damage (because they were trying to figure something out with one of the skills). I mean, we had zero trouble, we could have just kept going, but because the numbers demanded it the group kicked the DPS otherwise the tank was going to walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hash_Browns
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08-03-2019, 01:48 PMShawnerzB-but... it says so in her forum signature! Honestly, I looked up their profile and I'm legitimately not sure if it's meant to be a joke or not :S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selova
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08-03-2019, 01:49 PMAvidriaSounds like an idiot that doesn't know how to use a parser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaylessa
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08-03-2019, 02:08 PMDavidIven
how bringing parser would turn the game into an esport?
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08-03-2019, 04:04 PMDemetri_DelethornYou haven't demonstrated a single behavior of which anyone should be jealous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitsithhh
Hey, at least say it to my face. I'm a great healer. Never claimed to be the best. But I am good. That comes after years of playing. Not instantly. I worked for it, just like others. People like you and Caitsithhhh are so obsessed with the idea that I'm terrible at this game, but you're little more than words on a screen. Keep slamming that keyboard. I'll keep playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnerz
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08-03-2019, 04:06 PMDogempireI dunno, I'm pretty jealous of his healing as a monk, makes me wish I could heal as good as him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn
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08-03-2019, 04:14 PMDemetri_DelethornWell, we should also fix his wording: the correct word is envious, not jealous. A pretty laughable mistake. But seriously, Caitsithhh, heavens help the confused soul who looks at someone like you and feels even a small amount of envy. Your toxicity is nothing to which one should aspire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogempire
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08-03-2019, 04:18 PMDogempireWell I'm pretty envious of his healing as a monk then, really makes me wish I was as good as him. You could learn from a top tier healer like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn
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08-03-2019, 04:26 PMDemetri_DelethornVery true. If he can heal as a monk, perhaps one day I can become a great White Mage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogempire
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08-03-2019, 07:20 PMShawnerz
I'm going to bow out of this discussion simply because I don't want to direct negativity towards anyone and sorry if I did. All I will say is players who want to know the numbers/push themselves/do the hardest content the game has to offer should at least have the option to parse(for ps4) and those who play more casually/have other limiting factors should not be forced to use it or be harassed about it. Everyone can stay in their own lane and get along(hopefully).
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08-03-2019, 07:30 PMNedkelYou were lucky you made it to the boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaylessa
I was a tank, have been kicked for typing and asking for mechanics before first boss. xDD
WoW is super toxic and unpleasant game to play, and community has a big part of a cake in it. -
08-03-2019, 07:34 PMGranyalaI've seen many a FF-XIV tank drop group the moment they saw s/o type "first time" in a dungeon, which then lead to aborted runs because no replacement showed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
Morons exist in every game.
Your point? -
08-04-2019, 12:32 AMCaitsithhh
Oof. Two bitter sides and the more casual one simply refuses to listen. We aren’t going to harm anyone bettering ourselves through parsing. We have all agreed to keep it out of savage and extremes. Besides the poor soul who thought they were great we haven’t solo’d a single one out with any data. We could at any moment, but haven’t. This is exactly how it works in game. I don’t que a dungeon and then eyeball each toon’s logs. I don’t look at their performance til I’m noticing a weak link in the ability to clear or the length of the fight is dragged out. And again this is strictly in savage and extremes. The people saying no have honestly only brought up the point of wow and boogiemen that supposedly flaunt logs in ffxiv.
Casuals will have the majority of content to be casual in. Whereas the more hardcore players have tools to improve themselves and match skill levels.
We aren’t playing savage and extremes to “care” about our fellow player outside of getting friends their clear. Nor are we there to monitor anyone/s performance to form an opinion ourselves outside of trialing.
Also, LMFAO at the idea of letting a single person try to learn their class and raid with seven more advanced players simply because we are nice and don’t care to progress... Since one person learning is more important than seven others actually having fun and clearing. Delusions are real too I suppose -
08-04-2019, 12:34 AMAsoraBora
Yes, to PS4 tracking personal dps as I do feel the stone, sky sea method is not sufficient way to improve. At the moment randomers on pc are parsing fights without users permission so your numbers are up there even if you didn’t want any form of parsing in the game.
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08-04-2019, 12:43 AMKrojackIt will change. Right now if someone calls you out for low dps you ask how they know. When they reply that they run a parser you can then report them for 3rd party software and they will get their account suspended or banned. Because of this people keep quiet. This does not apply to static groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorbinDallas
If they allow parsers then it will turn into "must have minimum dps >= X else kick".
Not sure if you ever followed the Japanese server raid groups or not. They go by the "follow the mechanics and stay alive and we win". -
08-04-2019, 12:46 AMAxlStreamOh please, the Japanese also have a blacklist where they put all the players who lie about their performance and are holding groups back. It's pretty much common knowledge and I wish all DCs would do this to keep these type of players out of my way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krojack
Also the 2 excuses brought up this time are funny.
"I was top tier in another game" Cool, I was a top tier Formula 1 driver, obviously mean I'm a top tier NASCAR driver and should win alot of races. Oh wait, different means, different rules and different environments. It's doesn't translate 1 to 1.
"I'm top tier but just not interested in Savage" I could beat Floyd Mayweather in a fight but I'm just not interested in fighting ya know.
tl;dr It's not how it works... It's not how any of this works. -
08-04-2019, 12:51 AMCaitsithhhYou’re talking about two completely different cultures so it’s not really a good point to bring up. Also I’d argue the console gaming scene there is much larger than the pc crowd we have here. They consume their content differently. From what I’ve heard they don’t have mechanic problems there in their pug scene sooo....Quote:
Originally Posted by Krojack
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08-04-2019, 12:54 AMHWalshYou are aware that your words there make you sound, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxlStream
You can't say, "Keep these type of players out of my way" without sounding like an 80's sports movie villain.
Using a program not supported by, and in fact is against the rules of, the game to "improve" is exactly like using steroids to win a weight lifting competition. -
08-04-2019, 01:04 AMMisutoraruthis is the problem here isnt it, how do we guarantee it will be use properly and giving a tool for the toxic crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitsithhh
may be strictly raid finder only, and have a clear explanation and enforcement of how "harassment" define in game
i mean 40 pages, both side just repeating themselves, other than those fight that escalate into some nonsense.
I think ppl who want it to be implement official could come up with some idea how to do it and ease the worry of the other side