How would identify a female player guy/girl?

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Me back when I played Unreal Tourney 3, man I loved being a sniper. Meowhahahaha!

Can any tell by my name? Just curious
There are far more female gamers now then some may realize

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

I'm quoting studies. You two are telling me I'm wrong because of your own limited experiences. So stop stroking your own egos.

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Says the person "quoting" studies.

Never really did understand why people played as the opposite sex, I mean, it's cool and all. I'm not against it.

I guess for me when I'm slaying monsters and dragons I find it hard to believe a 5'1 thin cat-girl would be able to pull that off.

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

Don't forget the housing talk! Heehee, and trying to figure out what interior wall was up in my house! XD

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And I do love the housing stuff. I was a Sims player before my wife got me into WoW and the character options, the dollhouse (FC/Personal house/Personal room), and the ability to learn everything on a single character, this game scratches the Sims and WoW itches for me.

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Originally Posted by Ketch

I didn’t read all the posts so I have no idea if this was mentioned already.

I gave this some sarcastic thought awhile ago and came up with the assumption that all female Roegadyns are in fact females.

In my thinking female Roegadyns are too masculine and butch looking for any male to play. Men want to look at their own feminine booty in a swimsuit.

No man wants to play Brienne of Tarth

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stop assuming everyone is cis and hetero
also stop assuming that everyone must always have a raging boner for their character

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Originally Posted by Weedity

Never really did understand why people played as the opposite sex, I mean, it's cool and all. I'm not against it.

I guess for me when I'm slaying monsters and dragons I find it hard to believe a 5'1 thin cat-girl would be able to pull that off.

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Nope, we're good, thx.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

And I do love the housing stuff. I was a Sims player before my wife got me into WoW and the character options, the dollhouse (FC/Personal house/Personal room), and the ability to learn everything on a single character, this game scratches the Sims and WoW itches for me.

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OMG I love Sims!! :D That is such a fun game to me, I love the building a remodeling etc... it's really fun! I haven't tried Sim's 4 yet, heard it wasn't very good out of the gate and they took a lot of stuff away from players...

Oh boy, *this* topic.... LOL!

(TL;DR : don't assume, ask; this isn't a pickup bar; respect people, make friends.)

So many responses and so many theories - but it's kind of like taking a multiple choice test, you have a 25% chance of being right so you might as well guess. I mean any avatar could be a guy playing a girl, a girl playing a guy, a girl playing a girl, or a guy playing a guy. To complicate that further, you may have a guy playing a girl, but behaving in a very male, neutral or female manner, which of course is true of all the possible combinations of player gender and avatar gender, and that doesn't even begin to get into player and character orientation.

Oh, and by the way, voice chat is not a good indicator, apart from the fact that many people have voices that are pretty well gender neutral, there are also some pretty good voice changers that can alter the pitch masking gender.

I've heard it said, and believe it may be true, that FFXIV has a larger contingent of female players. Given the less in-your-face nature of the game and the absence of blood, gore, guts and huge space marines swearing more than a drunk Glaswegian football fan on Rangers vs Celtic day....(i.e. a *LOT*), I think that female gamers do enjoy FFXIV more than other games.

When I first started playing MMORPG, I decided that gender wasn't an issue, it didn't matter if I played a guy or a girl, all that matters is whether I like my character. I always play a female avatar, and she may dress skimpy, or cover up, she might go girly, or butch up for combat. Many of my own personality traits form my character too, since I do not attempt to adopt a different personality when playing.

Over the years I have noticed that a (slim) majority of people believe to me be female. If I had to try to guess why, I think it comes from being a good communicator, not swearing much (if at all), being helpful, friendly, generous and concerned for others, and I don't treat the game(s) as a virtual pickup bar. It seems like those personality traits combined with a female avatar, rightly or wrongly make people believe me to be female. I was once told by one very annoyed player that I should not have been so friendly or helpful. Presumably they thought that any friendly and helpful female avatars were actually female players looking to hook up with some guy 1000's of miles away over the internet... :rolls eyes:

However, as anyone who knows me in-game can tell you, I'm a guy, and happily married, it's not like I make a secret of it or anything. However as Kosmos, I've been hit on, offered gifts, help, and all manner of other things. I've had people ask my gender in real life, I've had people ask for phone numbers, or offer phone numbers.

Incidentally, my wife also plays FFXIV, and has a very pretty female avatar. She dresses however she pleases ranging all the way from a bikini to head to toe robes, it depends on her mood and what she's playing. So it's no use assuming that all bikini clad female Miqo'te are guys. The truth is, that men and women both respond positively to a pretty character, so there is no reason to assume that female characters are either male or female players.

Everyone should remember, this is a virtual world, you cannot know the gender of the player unless they tell you.

What you *can* do is treat others with respect regardless of the gender of their avatar. Unless a player has stated a preference, use pronouns based on the avatar gender and/or name.

There is no point assuming because of avatar gender, behavior or mode of dress that someone is male or female. Even if you guess correctly, you have no idea of their orientation or circumstances. So, treat everyone as a friend, and only a friend.

Anything beyond that is a private matter to those involved and they need to agree boundaries in-game should they differ from reality.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Dammit! How do they always know?

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I dunno, but humans are funny. :3

[TL; DR Thread]

I sometimes feel these threads are posted to get the girls to reveal themselves. You shall never find out! Tis my secret! MINE!

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Any female MMO gamer that announces that they are indeed a female might as well scream "please cyber me." That is how 99% of the MMO population interprets that sort of behavior. If you don't like that then I'm sorry but it's the truth. Enjoy the attention or keep your business to yourself.

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I am extremely tired of things like ^

Just because a player is female IRL they are looking for attention? Are you really serious right now? Also I love the random made up statistics right there.

Ever think that maybe, just maybe, we girls are just being ourselves? Or maybe we just want to be addressed properly since we are human beings? If someone calls me he or him in game I usually correct them nicely, no, it is not for attention, it is because I am not a he or a him. Is it a big deal? Not really, but I prefer to be addressed with what I am and it clears up confusion sometimes cause I might not know who they are talking to if they call me he or him.

As a community of gamers we need to stop this stuff of "Oh! it's a girl, she just wants attention", "Oh! its a girl, she just wants free stuff from guys", "Oh! its a girl, she obviously wants to cyber" <-----WTF

I can't say there are no women players who do certain things just for attention, but we need to stop the generalization that ALL women players are like that.

Maybe we are just proud to be women in the gaming world, cause we love the games as much as men do. We love to play and have fun and learn to be skilled players that can do amazing things on their classes/jobs.

Male Player's character:
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...3263d1a47b.jpg

Female Player's character:
http://38.media.tumblr.com/81adfdf3d...i738o2_500.gif

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

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#tencharacters

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Oh boy, *this* topic.... LOL!

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Hey Neighbour!

You live next door to DreamWorld's Reality on the Mist seafront right?

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Originally Posted by aisustrong

also stop assuming that everyone must always have a raging boner for their character

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This. OMFG This *so* much.

I really like the way my character looks, I have spend hours deciding on her appearance and voice. But good grief, she's just a game character, very pretty and yes, she's pleasing to the eye. In the same way that anything pretty is pleasing to the eye. Personally, I'm proud of her and continue to spend a decent amount of time adjusting her appearance and wardrobe as the mood takes me.

Why is it that people always assume the most ridiculous motives for such things?

In my experience, those accusing others of such things are the ones with the issue.

and to conserve replies...I'll add this here.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Hey Neighbour!

You live next door to DW'sR on the Mist seafront right?

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Hmm....well, I'm on Behemoth, and our FC house is in the mist, its the Medium as far south east (I think) as you can go, it overlooks the beach atop a cliff all of it's own... But "Hey!" in any case, perhaps one day the servers will be upgraded enough to bring everyone together...

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Originally Posted by myahele

Male Player's character:
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...3263d1a47b.jpg

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Make that outfit and hair pink and you come close to my wife's avatar, so, yeah, your theory doesn't work so well...

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Why is it that people always assume the most ridiculous motives for such things?

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In this instance, as this thread illustrates, I think it's because so many men feel betrayed when their coveted in-game waifus turn out to not match their character's gender. This leads to them assuming that the other player is a pervert. It seems to be a self defense mechanism for feeling like they've been made to look like a fool, or to protect themselves from that happening (hence the cliche that 90% of female avatars are male).

Guys, females and female characters do not exist to service men, and men's eyes. Your assumptions about a player's RL gender are YOUR problem, not that player's. People play characters of opposite gender for any number of reasons, but I can guarantee you that it's never for YOU.

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Originally Posted by dughug

You know what I meant. And just want to add that it's not important for me to announce that I'm straight. Or if I were sapphic. Right? You're categorizing yourself, when you don't want to be categorized.

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It's called being happy and unashamed of who I am.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Hmm....well, I'm on Behemoth, and our FC house is in the mist, its the Medium as far south east (I think) as you can go, it overlooks the beach atop a cliff all of it's own... But "Hey!" in any case, perhaps one day the servers will be upgraded enough to bring everyone together...

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Hmm, must be a different nekos.

Small house, next door to us, nothing but catgirls.
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, I was queueing as low-level DPS the other day so I went wandering around everyones houses in our ward ;).

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

it's easy really, they'll be the ones avoiding you for making such a stupid thread on the forums.

Bad! BAD!

Stop!

Gender in an MMO means nothing unless you're interested in that person in the real world too, and can actually find some way to be a part of their real life. Otherwise you're just in a videogame.

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In FFXIV we are all the same gender, the gender of Gamer ^_^

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Just... what? All of the men that I know that play female characters are open about it. They aren't playing a female character to deceive anyone into thinking they're girls. That does happen, yes, but it's not exactly the norm. I've run across maybe half a dozen men that do that in the entire time that I've been on the internet (around 20 years now). They're playing one because they want to. Who the hell died and gave you the right to tell people what gender their avatar on an online game should be? Why do you even care?

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If a guy showed up to play monopoly wearing a wig with his nails done … I would think that’s weird too. It’s arguably the same thing.

If you’re allowed to play a different gender in a roleplaying video game then I’m allowed to think it’s weird. Free speech and all that wonderful stuff works both ways you know? I’ve never shown any disrespect. I never said it was “wrong”. How can I? I had a lot of guy friends that played as females. They know I think it’s weird. They don’t care and I don’t treat them any differently. So stop with the horrible assumptions about me.

The only thing I said that can even remotely be taken that way was saying that guys stick out like a sore thumb when roleplaying as a girl. And I basically meant if you’re going to do something, then at least do it right.

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You do realize that males and females are almost evenly split in gaming these days, right? it's not nearly as male dominated as it used to be. Why would a girl think that another girl was fishing for cyber just because she says she's a girl?

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It’s not evenly split at all in MMOs. I’ve never seen a study putting MMO female players above ~25% of the population.

Plenty of girls do think other girls screaming “I’m a girl” are just looking for attention… If you don’t know that then I guess I taught you something today. I know and respect plenty of female gamers. So stop making me out to be sexist too.

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And what if it was? What's wrong with having a lot of homosexual males around?

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Nothing that I know of… Once again please stop labeling me as whatever it is you labeled me as. I don’t care who or what people like to screw. I’m allowed to notice trends in populations. I said nothing derogatory or judgmental. I noticed a trend and I wonder if there is something that caused it. That doesn’t make me homophobic. It is garbage like this that is a real curse to this planet. You make problems and cause drama over NOTHING. Learn to communicate instead of constantly judging people.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

You could ask them.

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This.
King (the character) is a girl. King (the player) is a male. Ask me and this is what I'll tell you.
I don't RP much so it's not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Sadana

Nope, we're good, thx.

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Not sure what the first picture is from, but the LoTR one she was one of my least favorite characters. Very corny line too. So you know, it's all opinions and what not.

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Originally Posted by Weedity

Not sure what the first picture is from, but the LoTR one she was one of my least favorite characters. Very corny line too. So you know, it's all opinions and what not.

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First pic, Alice in Wonderland. That's Alice fighting the Jabberwocky. Original artist for the book, John Tenniel.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Just because a player is female IRL they are looking for attention? Are you really serious right now? Also I love the random made up statistics right there.

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Well obviously that's not what I said...

If you correct people that call you dude or guy, then that's one thing. I'm talking about the girls that loudly proclaim they have a vagina to complete strangers.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Well obviously that's not what I said...

If you correct people that call you dude or guy, then that's one thing. I'm talking about the girls that loudly proclaim they have a vagina to complete strangers.

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Yes, proclaiming your gender means you're asking for sexual harassment. That's some sound logic.

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Originally Posted by Sadana

First pic, Alice in Wonderland. That's Alice fighting the Jabberwocky. Original artist for the book, John Tenniel.

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I love that image.

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Originally Posted by Sadana

Nope, we're good, thx.

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Yes! I love Alice in Wonderland, I even named my character after her.

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Originally Posted by aisustrong

stop assuming everyone is cis and hetero
also stop assuming that everyone must always have a raging boner for their character

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You gotta tone it down a few notches Aisustrong. Sarcastic thought is sarcastic though.

Ok, just so you know (in irl), I'm a male gamer...

I don't care whos playing what in this game, I personally like how the females look in the game in general, especially the mi'qote and roegadyn races, not just the hyur race. My main character is here for the fighting and leveling up.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

I'm quoting studies. You two are telling me I'm wrong because of your own limited experiences. So stop stroking your own egos.

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First off, nowhere did you ever say you were quoting a study. You just threw out some random stats as facts and expected people to just accept them despite their personal experience stating otherwise.

Second, you provide no source to these studies.

You could just be pulling these studies out of your ass for all we know. So I maintain that you're still just throwing your ego around.

There are all of these conversations and studies asking why people play characters of opposite gender online, and how to out them, but I'd really love to see a study asking why some of the people asking these questions seem to be so bothered by it, or are straight up bigots about it. I have my theories but it would be interesting to see some official research done on it.

*Leaves while there's only about 8 to 9 pages in this thread after having left posts*

*Comes back to see 32 pages*

... I... what? *Sigh* So this thread really did go down the direction I feared it would. Welp, I'm left with no choice then. Like what I'm doing with the "Blame Square for why we all play as Miqo'tes!" thread, I shall do here as well now:

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Originally Posted by Tsuga

I have my theories but it would be interesting to see some official research done on it.

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Game specific research would be interesting to read, but it might also bit a bit redundant. You need only read up on "cognitive dissonance" (preferably in a psych text rather than a wikipedia but whatever works.)

I was listening to a convo between FC members where one said that he's actually a straight guy but his character is a girl. Not sure how it devolved into somehow being a cross dresser in some way because he plays a girl; others were questioning his sexuallity.

The whole thing was weird.

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Originally Posted by greekgeek

I read an entire study on this once, main detail that stuck in my head that actually has helped me spot guy/girl many times, Is that male tend to jump around alot when there moving/bored, were female players dont.

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Well that makes sense. I'm a guy and I jump around everywhere like the floor is lava. I assume it's because men tend to have a shorter attention span than women?

Also, I play female toons in most games that give me the choice due to the extra effort developers and artists put into female characters. Whether they are skimpy or fully clad in platemail. in world of warcraft, I play a male dwarf and it is the only exception...because dwarf master race.

P.S. just quit WoW and joined FF14 on the 9th of march and have to say the game and community is very refreshing coming from wows side of things. Hoping end game players are just as kind and polite as the leveling community is.

Why do you need to identify a female character as a guy or girl? Are you looking for a potential mate? There are easier methods.

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Originally Posted by Amenian

You just threw out some random stats as facts and expected people to just accept them despite their personal experience stating otherwise.

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Fair enough. Do google searches for the Daedalus Project or any of his studies. Here's a blog post that gives an overview of most of the studies referenced in this thread: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...e_avatars.html

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Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke

Edited because Raisins..

... I... what? *Sigh* So this thread really did go down the direction I feared it would. Welp, I'm left with no choice then. Like what I'm doing with the "Blame Square for why we all play as Miqo'tes!" thread, I shall do here as well now:

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Yup. I checked on this thread early (when there were only 5 or so pages) and knew it was going to go downhill. These kinds of threads are never productive and are nothing more than posts containing "Hey, my character is this gender, but I'm the opposite". And it sure didn't take long for there to be "lol there's no gurls on internets duh, who'd be dumb enough to put a computer in the kitchen derp derp derp". Though it is amusing to see some get squeamish about the idea of interacting with a guy playing a female character.

Fact: People play what they find fun, even if that character has some stark differences from the player (aside from race).

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

It’s not evenly split at all in MMOs. I’ve never seen a study putting MMO female players above ~25% of the population.

Plenty of girls do think other girls screaming “I’m a girl” are just looking for attention… If you don’t know that then I guess I taught you something today. I know and respect plenty of female gamers. So stop making me out to be sexist too.

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Do people like you even try? Seriously, it took me 30 seconds and a single google search to find things that prove you wrong. All reports/studies/stats/articles showing a higher percentage than 25%. Anywhere from 35% tp 45%.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...ers-in-the-us/
http://129.105.161.80/uploads/LFG_JOC.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7796482.stm
http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/27/r...le-mobile-rpg/
http://www.vg247.com/2014/10/28/fps-...n-research-pc/
http://www.superdataresearch.com/blo...gamers-matter/

Also, you can't really speak for other girls. Considering you are a guy. I personally have no issue with women saying their gender. I don't think it's for attention, it does come up during normal conversations. It's a pretty ridiculous statement to say many other women think that.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Fair enough. Do google searches for the Daedalus Project or any of his studies. Here's a blog post that gives an overview of most of the studies referenced in this thread: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...e_avatars.html

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Thanks. Interesting read. I will say that when I played WoW I experienced female gender-switching less often. Maybe the male avatars in WoW are less attractive to female gamers than they are here. This could account for mine, and others, personal experiences of closer to a 50-50 split rather than 7%. I also see more male gender-switching in this game as well. This may be due to the same reasons. People want to play something that is aesthetically pleasing to them. I think this can even transcend genders. If male avatars are more attractive to females in FFXIV than in WoW, they could by the same token be less attractive to males. I don't think there's anything weird about playing a female avatar. You're just playing what you find most aesthetically pleasing.