Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

I don't really see a point in taking out bloodwhetting when the primary issue with healing is that the tuning for healers and all those abilities seems to be designed for ultimate content, and the healer role lacks any meaningful dps rotation. Nerfing or negating a single tank's ability isn't going to change those things. I think bloodwhetting should be seen as a *good* thing because it means the healers would have less healing to do firstly, and secondly with an actual dps rotation they'd be able to spend more time focusing on that. I get that WAR has a hypertuned self-sustain kit but it does trade in other areas. I think if healers got a real rotation for dps (or even a modest one) then they'd be on the boards asking SE for more self-sustain for other classes so they could focus more on their rotation. I think balancing self-sustain with healing kits to give healers something to do would be the best route.

Not to mention the ilvl scaling causing some tanks to dissolve while others are half invincible. In terms of difficulty, it might be best to have duties hard locked to a certain ilvl only a la "min ilvl only" as opposed to saying "min is 635, sync is 655" because god is that a massive spread. It's complicated

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Originally Posted by All_Nonsense

I don't really see a point in taking out bloodwhetting when the primary issue with healing is that the tuning for healers and all those abilities seems to be designed for ultimate content, and the healer role lacks any meaningful dps rotation. Nerfing or negating a single tank's ability isn't going to change those things. I think bloodwhetting should be seen as a *good* thing because it means the healers would have less healing to do firstly, and secondly with an actual dps rotation they'd be able to spend more time focusing on that. I get that WAR has a hypertuned self-sustain kit but it does trade in other areas. I think if healers got a real rotation for dps (or even a modest one) then they'd be on the boards asking SE for more self-sustain for other classes so they could focus more on their rotation. I think balancing self-sustain with healing kits to give healers something to do would be the best route.

Not to mention the ilvl scaling causing some tanks to dissolve while others are half invincible. In terms of difficulty, it might be best to have duties hard locked to a certain ilvl only a la "min ilvl only" as opposed to saying "min is 635, sync is 655" because god is that a massive spread. It's complicated

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What is a single field that WAR sacrifices anything in, regardless, PLD and GNB healing is also off the charts, hell GNB does one of the most beloved healer skills better than the healer who invented it

DPS options should be encouraged but the tanks being immortal is never going to be healthy for the design of the healers

To that I will say it again and again and AGAIN: Healer Issues aren't just one, two, or three 'simple fixes' away from proper state. Nobody says removing/nerfing Bloodwhetting alone would've fixed everything. It's only one from many blocks to be chopped, while also being one of the most obvious candidate. If anybody thinks that a Benediction is a cooldown so powerful that only one from four healer receives it with a friggin' 3 minutes cooldown but then a four procs of Benediction to one from four TANK of all roles with only 17s downtime, is seen as a 'good thing'---in a trinity game of all places... then I don't what else to say. What's the point of having the trinity system from first place, then?

We pick healers to heal efficiently & effectively. Why do we want somebody to take over our primary job a.k.a. play the game for us?

At this point it feels like people just not wanting to deal with other's failures. Which is understandable to an extent. But why play a team game, then? Make it make sense.

I'm not sure where all these people who think the healer role can be fixed by eliminating healing are coming from, but maybe they should just stop.

Regardless, even if we get a complex damage rotation, it doesn't change the fact that we're spending 80% of a savage fight doing something that's not our main role. Tanks spend most of their time doing damage over mitigating as well, but at least it can be said that they're gaining aggro the entire time.

Why can't we be allowed to heal more? Having more complex damage options doesn't preclude having higher healing requirements.

I'm also trying to understand how could people come to conclusion that healers are designed to 'heal ultimate' when TOP exists lol.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I'm also trying to understand how could people come to conclusion that healers are designed to 'heal ultimate' when TOP exists lol.

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wdym does this not look like a healer to you? /s

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

To that I will say it again and again and AGAIN: Healer Issues aren't just one, two, or three 'simple fixes' away from proper state. Nobody says removing/nerfing Bloodwhetting alone would've fixed everything. It's only one from many blocks to be chopped, while also being one of the most obvious candidate. If anybody thinks that a Benediction is a cooldown so powerful that only one from four healer receives it with a friggin' 3 minutes cooldown but then a four procs of Benediction to one from four TANK of all roles with only 17s downtime, is seen as a 'good thing'---in a trinity game of all places... then I don't what else to say. What's the point of having the trinity system from first place, then?

We pick healers to heal efficiently & effectively. Why do we want somebody to take over our primary job a.k.a. play the game for us?

At this point it feels like people just not wanting to deal with other's failures. Which is understandable to an extent. But why play a team game, then? Make it make sense.

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Same with Heart of Corundum. It's better than Recitation (900 potency heal + 15% damage reduction) that's free and available every 25s vs every 45s

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Why can't we be allowed to heal more? Having more complex damage options doesn't preclude having higher healing requirements.

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Many have asked for just that but the job design team refuses to increase damage to make us heal more.

Mostly because when they did, groups fell apart because they couldn't handle the increased healing required. Mainly caused by non healers (Mostly the DPS) refusing to use mitigation, utilities, and self heals that they've been given.

"Press Feint/ Addle to remove 10% off of that massive bleed that's about to come out? And drift my Rotation by .5s? NO. Oh crap, I'm dead"

Maybe I’m too active on too many pointless 14 “argument” channels (here, reddit, YouTube etc) but has anyone noticed that blowback against changing healer design has seemed to shift from ultra casuals who struggle to heal tam Tara deepcroft to higher end raiders who’s answer to any problem in casual design is “we nothing is balanced around casual”

Maybe it’s just my unique experience but I’ve noticed recently that almost everyone has become unified on the idea that bloodwhetting is too strong (though opinions seem to be mixed on if fixing it for the benefit of the healers is worth a nerf to WAR’s) but the main argument against doing anything with healers now seems to be “yeah bloodwhetting too strong but who the hell cares it’s casual content”

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Maybe I’m too active on too many pointless 14 “argument” channels (here, reddit, YouTube etc) but has anyone noticed that blowback against changing healer design has seemed to shift from ultra casuals who struggle to heal tam Tara deepcroft to higher end raiders who’s answer to any problem in casual design is “we nothing is balanced around casual”

Maybe it’s just my unique experience but I’ve noticed recently that almost everyone has become unified on the idea that bloodwhetting is too strong (though opinions seem to be mixed on if fixing it for the benefit of the healers is worth a nerf to WAR’s) but the main argument against doing anything with healers now seems to be “yeah bloodwhetting too strong but who the hell cares it’s casual content”

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Haven't really noticed such a shift myself, but I don't participate in much discussion outside the forums.

I have noticed though, that in the forums, there's been an increase of people who think the only way to fix healers is to eliminate the healing part of healers by allowing every other job to become self-sufficient so we can focus fully on our damage rotation and not be inconvenienced by other people taking damage, which is a bizarre stance to take.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Maybe I’m too active on too many pointless 14 “argument” channels (here, reddit, YouTube etc) but has anyone noticed that blowback against changing healer design has seemed to shift from ultra casuals who struggle to heal tam Tara deepcroft to higher end raiders who’s answer to any problem in casual design is “we nothing is balanced around casual”

Maybe it’s just my unique experience but I’ve noticed recently that almost everyone has become unified on the idea that bloodwhetting is too strong (though opinions seem to be mixed on if fixing it for the benefit of the healers is worth a nerf to WAR’s) but the main argument against doing anything with healers now seems to be “yeah bloodwhetting too strong but who the hell cares it’s casual content”

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I'm someone who has said that in the past because it's not untrue. Jobs arent balanced around casual content. But healing a dark knight in dungeons isnt exactly rocket surgery either so I guess 'who cares it's casual content' works both ways.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Abyssos healer shortage was never the actual healers fault, it was always a problem that the DPS and the tanks refused to help mitigate anything then blamed the healers when the DOT’s ate people alive

The amount of times in PF I would break my own mitigation plan to apply sacred soil and either illumination or expedient to a tankbuster the tank was supposed to be mitigating alone because they weren’t using mitigation only to have them die then yell at me for not spamming adlo on them was way too much

Exactly the same as DPS who wouldn’t press addle or feint then go “why didn’t you just cast succor”

Mitigation being a team wide effort where failure exclusively punishes the healer has always been an annoying system, sure it’s the healers job to heal but it’s not fun pressing succor 5 times in a row simply because the SAM decided feint wasn’t important because they drifted their tsubame

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I've seen, or rather experienced, both scenarios back in Abyssos.
Both DPS dying to basic raid-wide AoEs because they couldn't be bothered to press their mitigation buttons and dying to boss autos and bleed damage over the course of 5+ seconds despite full mitigation on the buster because the healers thought 1 oGCD was enough.

And I couldn't even blame them, it would've been enough for most of Shadowbringers and Asphodelos, which is pretty much all the savage healing they had experienced thus far. Anecdotal example, in E8S our Scholar didn't need to cast a single GCD shield outside of downtime where they had nothing better to do anyway.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I'm someone who has said that in the past because it's not untrue. Jobs arent balanced around casual content. But healing a dark knight in dungeons isnt exactly rocket surgery either so I guess 'who cares it's casual content' works both ways.

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I mean, it is true. I basically don't even think about what tank I get in dungeons when I heal because it simply doesn't matter. I go through the same healing routine I would use for Dark Knight even if I get a Warrior, sure they don't need the healing but it's not like I'm gonna use those resources on anything else.

That's not to say "who cares it's casual content" is the right response, instead we should ask for dungeons to not be so incredibly braindead that it doesn't make a difference whether you get the "immortal" Warrior or the "wet paper bag" Dark Knight, and then we can look at bringing Warrior's multi-target healing down to acceptable levels.
Because right now you could nerf Bloodwhetting into the ground for dungeons and it still wouldn't change anything.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Maybe I’m too active on too many pointless 14 “argument” channels (here, reddit, YouTube etc) but has anyone noticed that blowback against changing healer design has seemed to shift from ultra casuals who struggle to heal tam Tara deepcroft to higher end raiders who’s answer to any problem in casual design is “we nothing is balanced around casual”

Maybe it’s just my unique experience but I’ve noticed recently that almost everyone has become unified on the idea that bloodwhetting is too strong (though opinions seem to be mixed on if fixing it for the benefit of the healers is worth a nerf to WAR’s) but the main argument against doing anything with healers now seems to be “yeah bloodwhetting too strong but who the hell cares it’s casual content”

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I've definitely seen it. I could understand that from the viewpoint of job design decisions would weigh the input of those people who participate in in more difficult content differently or more heavily where job changes are considered however I don't consider it acceptable that people wave away complaints about the content when we consider that we're talking about content that affects everyone, especially since for some players it will be the only content that they'll experience.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Haven't really noticed such a shift myself, but I don't participate in much discussion outside the forums.

I have noticed though, that in the forums, there's been an increase of people who think the only way to fix healers is to eliminate the healing part of healers by allowing every other job to become self-sufficient so we can focus fully on our damage rotation and not be inconvenienced by other people taking damage, which is a bizarre stance to take.

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I feel like the general community has a very strict, black and white "no nuance" way of thinking. If there is any semblance of responsibility on a job to heal, no matter how infrequently, then it is impossible for that job to have more than 2 or 3 attack buttons, because only one of two outcomes will occur: Either the player playing that job will ignore those healing responsibilities because they're too focused on DPSing and cause the party to wipe, or they will be frustrated every time they have to heal because it will drop their damage or interrupt their 1-2-3 combo (which if you aren't aware is the only way a healer could have more DPS abilities at their disposal because having more DPS tools couldn't possibly look like anything else).

Funny how that way of thinking seem to coincide with how healers are loosely designed as well. Look where have that took us to today.

A plus design. /s

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anyone noticed that blowback against changing healer design has seemed to shift from ultra casuals who struggle to heal tam Tara deepcroft to higher end raiders who’s answer to any problem in casual design is “we nothing is balanced around casual”

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Well the game is easy for casual healers, because of high party sustain and low incoming damage its hard to fail. For alliance roulettes and similar healing is irrelevant since you can throw bodies at the content via rezzing so can't fail either.

Tank sustain in is not the problem. Healing a good DRK still results in you twiddling your thumbs more often than not. You cannot balance the game around such comically low levels of damage. One tank regen is enough to tell a boss "I'm literally immortal right now". Additionally, the fact that dungeon mob dps is tuned so low that you can wall to wall pull in the first place should call mob damage into question. Pulling each additional pack of mobs should put considerably more strain on a party.

We can nerf tank sustain but it won't fix the problem. We need SE to stop holding player's hands. Let them fail. Let enemies actually hurt enough to threaten a wipe. Until that happens no amount of tank nerfs will fix anything. Party sustain should help ease the healing burden. It shouldn't remove that burden completely.

Obviously Bloodwhetting is an outlier here. There really is no way to balance dungeons around the ability to full heal off of every swing. I like the idea another suggested to revert it to heal based on damage dealt. That's both more balanced and more fun to use. Planning your burst around your healing is just satisfying to pull off.

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Tank sustain in is not the problem. Healing a good DRK still results in you twiddling your thumbs more often than not. You cannot balance the game around such comically low levels of damage. One tank regen is enough to tell a boss "I'm literally immortal right now". Additionally, the fact that dungeon mob dps is tuned so low that you can wall to wall pull in the first place should call mob damage into question. Pulling each additional pack of mobs should put considerably more strain on a party.

We can nerf tank sustain but it won't fix the problem. We need SE to stop holding player's hands. Let them fail. Let enemies actually hurt enough to threaten a wipe. Until that happens no amount of tank nerfs will fix anything. Party sustain should help ease the healing burden. It shouldn't remove that burden completely.

Obviously Bloodwhetting is an outlier here. There really is no way to balance dungeons around the ability to full heal off of every swing. I like the idea another suggested to revert it to heal based on damage dealt. That's both more balanced and more fun to use. Planning your burst around your healing is just satisfying to pull off.

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I don't even think this was intentional: It's a side effect of Duty Support and the fact that compressing the stats also drops the amount of flex they have with tuning damage. Duty Support is what is probably nuking everything into the floor because programming AI around "do i stun this, counter this, or run out of the AOE circle?" kind of situations seems to be a hard thing to do. We can't even kite anymore because they just increased mob speed to insanity level, so things always are just hugging your butt even if you got speed boosts going and are a ranged DPS.

Well, that and to keep people who are long term players playing, MMOs seem to downshift the difficulty so it gets gradually more efficient to do things that are repetitive, because no one wants to spend 30 minutes in a dungeon that they have already done probably 25+ times. You can see this with content not tied to the roulette like Delibrum Reginae. People have to go make a party on a schedule to even do it, and most people are just done with Delibrum.

Also... after playing healer for a while and healing fights that are both long and have a lot of mechs, pressing the same button constantly because you're supposed to have dps output and always be casting is painful.

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I don't even think this was intentional: It's a side effect of Duty Support and the fact that compressing the stats also drops the amount of flex they have with tuning damage. Duty Support is what is probably nuking everything into the floor because programming AI around "do i stun this, counter this, or run out of the AOE circle?" kind of situations seems to be a hard thing to do.

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And this is another reason why Duty Support should get a separate version of duties. Because current beep-boop AI bots can only go so far with mechanics. The sheer amount of fun little things that were removed from the dungeons here and there... this is devastating. I am both happy and sad that I got to see dungeons in Shadowbringers before they got homogenized.
Extra fluff about Duty Support:

It is freaking afwul for new player. For one simple reason - if the player dies, the entire party resets the run and goes back to the starting point. This makes no freaking sense! Duty Support made to help new or shy players to get through content, but being in the new duty with no knowledge about the bosses - this is a recipe for disaster. They die again and again to new mechanics, frustration rises.

Why not give the bot healers ability to raise? Or give the player some kind of "reraise" that upgrades through expansions into with more charges and no weakness after raise to reflect how awesome the player character got?

Such a missed opportunity honestly...

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Well, that and to keep people who are long term players playing, MMOs seem to downshift the difficulty so it gets gradually more efficient to do things that are repetitive, because no one wants to spend 30 minutes in a dungeon that they have already done probably 25+ times.

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Strange, because for me the effect is direct opposite. I'd rather chew broken glass than play Expert or Level 90 roulette dungeons. Because they are so incredibly mind numbing.
At least in Leveling or 50/60/70/80 you can pull Duty that will make me rub two braincells together.

There should be a balance between "waste 30 minutes of your time here" and "roll your face over the keyboard for 10 minutes to hear victory fanfare"

Also, Delubrum died because outside of relics it yields next to NO rewards, no job experience, mettle gain is incomparable to Zadnor. Simply not worth the effort.
And the deliberately forced 10 minute queue by devs is hilariously bad at fixing the issue. There are so many other ways to repopulate Delubrum, but they prefered to slap a band aid on it and sit on their hands for the rest of the Endwalker

Everytime the subject of Bloodwhetting is brought up, I recall that one time in very early of 6.0 where I encountered that one SGE in Stigma Dreamscape who gleefully wrote something along the line of “WAR+SGE = Best combo!” in party chat. If only they knew… if only…

If I ever meet that one SGE that I could no longer remember their name again today, I’d like to know what they have in their mind about the button.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Everytime the subject of Bloodwhetting is brought up, I recall that one time in very early of 6.0 where I encountered that one SGE in Stigma Dreamscape who gleefully wrote something along the line of “WAR+SGE = Best combo!” in party chat. If only they knew… if only…

If I ever meet that one SGE that I could no longer remember their name again today, I’d like to know what they have in their mind about the button.

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I remember in week 1 prog of Abyssos, I was SGE in P7S, and I could almost completely ignore the WAR taking the TB, in week 1. Throw Haima on 'em and leave 'em to it, because it + Bloodwhetting was apparently enough to just out-heal the 'exceptionally hard hitting bleed'

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I remember in week 1 prog of Abyssos, I was SGE in P7S, and I could almost completely ignore the WAR taking the TB, in week 1. Throw Haima on 'em and leave 'em to it, because it + Bloodwhetting was apparently enough to just out-heal the 'exceptionally hard hitting bleed'

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That boss was so weak when it came to tankbusters that people solo'd the tank stack buster without invuln week 1.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

That boss was so weak when it came to tankbusters that people solo'd the tank stack buster without invuln week 1.

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Tell it to the PLDs who folded like paper to it because the bleed wasn't affected by Sheltron's Block effect at the time

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Tell it to the PLDs who folded like paper to it because the bleed wasn't affected by Sheltron's Block effect at the time

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The one time drk Dark Mind got to shine.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

Tell it to the PLDs who folded like paper to it because the bleed wasn't affected by Sheltron's Block effect at the time

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That's similar to WAR's problem with that tier, ToB dropped hard in value because it didn't actually mitigate anything. The P7S buster was just such a joke that it didn't matter much, it felt like I took more damage from Venomous Mass than from taking Condensed Aero 2 solo.

Just another fringe thought I figure I’d share:

What if instead of tankbusters being one large heavy hit you need to mitigate, which end up feeling like they don’t hit hard enough when very little mitigation trivializes the damage, if they instead inflicted infirmity for a longer period of time. So rather than the tankbuster itself being one hard hit that Varys greatly on how effectively it does this, the attack itself is never lethal, but is otherwise reducing the healing the tank receives over the next several mechanics. In that case, mitigation is more about making that easier to heal through?

Just something the came to mind from another Star Rail encounter.

We used to have that pretty regularly back in the day. It worked out quite neatly and gave room for a lot of skill expression by way of timing Cures to land between the Tank buster and infirmity actually sticking.

Not really sure why it didn't make a return once Lustrate was changed from a fixed percentage to a flat potency heal.

It is kinda funny how they had more interesting tank swaps per say back in the day. In t5 you had the infirmiry debuff but in t7s, you had the main tank get curse shriek where the other tank had to voke while the other tank had to hide behind a cyclops with the other dps that got it. You also had t9s vuln would just increased the damage done to the tank that even meteor stream was a thread to them. Or the stacking debuff that was in t6s.

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It is kinda funny how they had more interesting tank swaps per say back in the day. In t5 you had the infirmiry debuff but in t7s, you had the main tank get curse shriek where the other tank had to voke while the other tank had to hide behind a cyclops with the other dps that got it. You also had t9s vuln would just increased the damage done to the tank that even meteor stream was a thread to them. Or the stacking debuff that was in t6s.

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Didn’t 11 have a TB where if you didn’t swap the first tank would get eaten by the boss, die and give the boss a permanent damage up

Even the Bismark tank swap during the wind and water add phase was subtly interesting just because swapping which add was tricky both in terms of positioning and in timing. It was pretty simple, but it asked you to have some level of communication.

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Didn’t 11 have a TB where if you didn’t swap the first tank would get eaten by the boss, die and give the boss a permanent damage up

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Ye that was In the Headlights. If the off tank didn't voke in time, the main tank would die to the primary head tb and the boss got an attack stack. This was also a thing in Brute Justice if the tank died to the final punch.

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Just another fringe thought I figure I’d share:

What if instead of tankbusters being one large heavy hit you need to mitigate, which end up feeling like they don’t hit hard enough when very little mitigation trivializes the damage, if they instead inflicted infirmity for a longer period of time. So rather than the tankbuster itself being one hard hit that Varys greatly on how effectively it does this, the attack itself is never lethal, but is otherwise reducing the healing the tank receives over the next several mechanics. In that case, mitigation is more about making that easier to heal through?

Just something the came to mind from another Star Rail encounter.

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I don't know about this. It sounds like punishing healers for the tank messing up. We already have to fix everyone's mistakes, this would just make it arbitrarily harder.

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I don't know about this. It sounds like punishing healers for the tank messing up. We already have to fix everyone's mistakes, this would just make it arbitrarily harder.

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Well, the tank isn't messing up per say. It's just instead of typical tankbusters as they are now, (one hig leaving a short vuln so they can't take the second hit so there's the swap.) it's puts different debuffs on them.

a low-mid hitting TB that applies 'you cannot heal as effectively' also helps to neuter the meta of 'just Invuln it and ignore it', meaning Invuln skills would find use in different locations of the fight, instead of being used to trivialize tankbusters, I'd support it for that alone. WAR being able to soak 3 out of 5 TBs in the SB fights (and their cotank taking 1 of the other 2) was ridiculous, and even now WAR has a short enough CD that it is able to do some WAR-specific invuln rotations (like P8S p2, where it was WAR, cotank, share, WAR)

We used to have 'healing down' on TBs in ARR too, Twintania is the prime example

They could also make it so there is a double tank buster but if soaked in with an invuln that’s not a true invuln (so PLD and GNB) it gives a damage down

That way WAR can cheese it but at the expense of their damage, and you can have the true invulns soak it to avoid double mitigating but you have to work around their longer CD

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Well, the tank isn't messing up per say. It's just instead of typical tankbusters as they are now, (one hig leaving a short vuln so they can't take the second hit so there's the swap.) it's puts different debuffs on them.

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Yeah but if the tank doesn't mit (hello, most WAR players I have healed) then the healer will have to put exponentially more effort into keeping them alive because of the debuff.

Well this is mainly for savage cause if you don’t mitigate the tank busters I. Those you just outright die. I miss when they were more creative with the busters and swaps like they were in arr and heavensward.

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Well this is mainly for savage cause if you don’t mitigate the tank busters I. Those you just outright die. I miss when they were more creative with the busters and swaps like they were in arr and heavensward.

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Doesnt even have to just be tank busters. I'm currently progging TEA with my static and if I dont mitigate auto attacks cruise chaser will chop me into tiny bits and roast me over the portable fireplace minion. Modern savage bosses barely auto attack the tanks.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Doesnt even have to just be tank busters. I'm currently progging TEA with my static and if I dont mitigate auto attacks cruise chaser will chop me into tiny bits and roast me over the portable fireplace minion. Modern savage bosses barely auto attack the tanks.

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Another side effect of shoving all gameplay engagement into the fights themselves and the resulting constant mechanics spam, bosses basically don't auto attack anymore. Because for some reason they can't attack and cast (or move) at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Another side effect of shoving all gameplay engagement into the fights themselves and the resulting constant mechanics spam, bosses basically don't auto attack anymore.

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The weird thing is they clearly have the tech to make a boss keep auto'ing while doing mechanics. P3s does that. They just choose not to. Now tanks dont have to deal with boss positioning or autos anymore and the lack of autos that hurt trickles down to healers. Bringing back auto attacks could be a way to increase incoming damage without becoming a pure mitigation check like the heavy bleed raidwides.

The reason bosses don't do autos when casting was because during heavensward and arr, there were bosses that weaved auto attacks during their tankbusters. Most famously twin with death sentence and that crit auto or in HW living liquid with fluid swing. PLDs had it very rough in A3s because liquid weaved his autos with his tank cleave, (which was the only physical buster in that fight) so plds had to time their old shelltron move nearly exact on the server tick to block the cleave instead of the auto. They changed this so that bosses would not auto during their busters now as what happened with Thordan ex and A5s. So it was basically a holdover fix for an old problem that is gone now.