May not inherently be a fetish, but for some they surely do protay it as such within their RP. How common or not it is idk but just with my casual time on a RP server I have seen it a few times. Though it propably is not done with ill intent just lack of understanding.
Since as they said eith enough effort and mental gymnastics one can literally turn anything into a fetish. Though I feel that is part of them problem for some sexuality is treated like a thing.
Though topic for another day.
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08-07-2020, 11:18 AMAwha
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08-07-2020, 12:30 PMValicYou're right, they're not but all the same the whole area of listing what you're "into" is kinda... weird/creepy to show in game. Mainly listed what I see the most in game. Usually it lists like this....Quote:
Originally Posted by Doozer
♀ + ♀ only
Futa fem dom
Bun Mom
+18 /c/
Or some variant.... The sad part is how OFTEN I see it. I'm just looking for other regular RP'ers or fun notes and instead I get your "desires" ..... :| -
08-07-2020, 01:43 PMGula
It's totally normal to have a gay/lesbian kink. Just like people have a race, size, accent, smoking, literally anything kink.
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08-07-2020, 03:34 PMVyrerusThis is kind of murky, because as long as you're focusing on the sexuality of your character, like it must be known that they are gay or straight or pan or whatever, then that's making the RP, E or otherwise, inherently sexual. If you were just RPing, and then somehow broached the subject, that's when it wouldn't be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doozer
Like even just saying, "I am gay." or "I am straight." is inherently sexual. It has everything to do with sex and sexuality. Like, just replace the terms with their more formal ones and it's easier to see, "I am homosexual." or "I am heterosexual." or "I am pansexual." If you focus on it, like it's in your RP flag, and you're making it known 100% of the time, that's inherently always steering the RP towards being sexual. That's what people are going to hone in on.
And of course, LGBT gets fetishized more than hetero does because being hetero is the milquetoast norm. LGBT is also still considered taboo for quite a lot of people, believe it or not, so there are those who make a fetish out of it for that reason too. It's also quite easy for what's trendy or aesthetically pleasing to get fetishized, things like muscles/muscular women, androgyny, cat girls etc. Being LGBT has been fairly trendy for the last decade and a half, so much so that entire TV series and other media have spawned out of it as its own category of show type. With things like Yaoi and Yuri having been a thing for a long time, it's really not hard to say that it has been fetishized and that there is a substantial portion of the RPing playerbase that think of it only in terms of their fetish. Most people aren't what they profess to be online, particularly within MMOs. -
08-07-2020, 10:04 PMPeppermintBrownRoleplaying a gay character isn't a fetish all the time. But there are people that focus solely on erp with their characters for the sole sake of having lesbian or gay sex with other characters, and in those cases I'd say yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doozer
It's not always a fetish. It's not a fetish by default. But if the character is made for a fetish purpose and played just for that fetish, then they are. But in terms of gay/lesbian fetish we're not talking about rounded characters that happen to be gay, we're talking about throw away alts and characters made primarily or exclusively for the erp. -
08-09-2020, 03:42 PMA_moth_called_rose
Another thing I've noticed is that a lot of fellowships are now being used as a makeshift adhoc ERP hub, with descriptions ranging from risque all the way to just blatantly saying it's a sex work FC.
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08-09-2020, 11:05 PMRanaku
Killing people in cutscenes = Ok
Blood = HELL YEAH!
Weapons = Have a gun to your sword sir
Horrible creatures and undeads = Looks like my granny
Drug use = Smoke that gizal!
Sex/NSFW in private groupchats etc. = PROTECT THE CHILDRENS OMFG!
I...kinda sense a double standard here. For as long as video games existed people cry about "THE CHILDREN" and parents etc. blame all their personal failures when it comes to parenting their childs on whatever is most convenient. For some americans it's the violent games that trigger school shootings. Strangely here in germany we also play doom and don't go into school with a shotgun...wonder why. And now every erpler etc. is a potential predator, neat. I really wonder why we have so few cases here in Europe when it comes to that, maybe because we actually teach people and don't give the responsibility to a company etc. and actually believe that you have a brain even if you aren't 18. If i had a child i would 100% sit down and check what my kiddo is doing online especially when they are underaged.
So yeah, i have news for ya, the whole internet is full of garbage that children shouldn't have access to and every place with a chat that isn't public will be used at least once for not so nice things. But is that really the responsibility and fault of the company and the peaceful majority? -
08-10-2020, 04:17 AMAnatha
I'm not on Crystal, but I'm also not a puritanical zealot who believes that all behavior should be outlawed because someone might do something that might offend me that I'll never actually be witness to.
Simply put, you might be happier if you started minding your own business, rather than everyone else's. Or more accurately your imagined idea of what their business is.
Overly judgmental people, to the extent that they project behavior and criminality on to people without evidence, are miserable existences.
If you witness public displays of rule breaking behavior, feel free to report it. But dont assume people are doing something you have no evidence to support.
I've visited a few of these places on my dc in the interim and have found that they are just really neat looking clubs and by and large very very quiet for how many can often be found inside them.
I think I've only ever been spoken to by one person who I would guess to be staff, who sent me a tell asking if I'd like to buy a drink. I said "no thanks" and that was the end of it.
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08-10-2020, 04:23 AMVahlnirI don't really care what people do in the privacy of their own chats. However, I do feel that recruiting for such things on the Party Finder is a bit...excessive. On their own servers? Fine. Wanna travel to another to spam a local chat for "recruitment"? That's fine too. Seriously, I don't care. But there's no real need to add clutter to the Party Finder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anatha
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08-10-2020, 04:36 AMZsolen
It's a crime to solicit or have cybersex with a minor in the US. Cybersex does not have to involve video or images of the participants. It can even be chat only. Germany itself takes the abuse of children seriously, so I seriously doubt Germany allows it either. Taking steps to prevent putting yourself in that position is a good idea. Not advertising ERP is a start.
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08-10-2020, 05:25 AMKolsykolI kinda wonder how it'd work with a case in a game like this tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zsolen
There's a massive difference between an adult that deliberately on purpose seeks out minors to do that with on social media sites for example and adults seeking out other adults to ERP with in FFXIV but then some minor decides to lie about their age.
Like the two are miles apart and I don't even think that it's the adults fault in the latter example unless it was VERY obvious that they were a minor and they kept going.
It's like the difference between deliberately hitting someone with your car and hitting someone with your car by mistake.
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08-10-2020, 05:33 AMColetergeistGlad that you're lumping in every ERPer in with wanting to do stuffs with a minor. Big logic brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zsolen
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08-10-2020, 05:37 AMValicTbh, the term "ERP" developed as a mask for people who just wanted to cyber. Let's be honest, no one truly just "ERP's" and says its just for story, there is no such thing as that. That's like saying a bad porno about the missing salami from the pizza delivery man is "full of story". You can tell a story without adding in how your character humps. A LOT of ERP is literally just cybering, the fact people seem to believe otherwise is just how far everyone's deluded themselves. It's just an easy and convenient way to go "it's not me, IT'S MY CHARACDURRRRR". It's disgusting that it has been allowed to become so public because of this too. No one has the right to act superior when they're advertising they want to type how pixels smash against each other in an online game. No one. Get mad, you know it's true, I know plenty of people who even admit "I just wanna write raunchy stuff" for lack of more accurate quoting....Quote:
Originally Posted by Coletergeist
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08-10-2020, 05:44 AMColetergeistI'll agree to disagree lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valic
Let me be clear, I'm not condoning the spammed PF listings. I don't necessarily enjoy it being everywhere, but at the same time, I'm mature enough to look past it and filter out what I'm looking for in PF. I E/RP often (in-game rp is strange, I can't quite understand how one does it) but I do come from decades of descriptive rp via other platforms; and I do, in fact (much to your supposed dismay) find that erotic scenes can help aid a story. Sorry not sorry, I guess. Folks RP differently, and to some, it a need. You can disagree all you want.
Alas, this is diverting off topic. The topic at hand is finding ERP in the listing of PF, I'm assuming, and how folks have an issue with this. We're not talking about whether or not "ERP adds to a RP story or not".
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08-10-2020, 06:17 AMZsolenI never said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coletergeist
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08-10-2020, 06:43 AMKatie_KittyYeah I pretty much agree with this honestly. More to the point, I don't think *individuals* should be advertising this kind of thing in PF. Do you have a brothel or a club you want to get people to come to? Fine, put up a PF. But when you start having every rando put up a PF ad trying to get laid then you're going to end up swamped with the stuff so we should probably avoid that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niervel
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08-10-2020, 06:56 AMValicWhether or not it adds tot he story, it shouldn't be a thing tbh. You can write 2 characters having a kid, having relations, etc etc without describing every detail of "the act" which then makes the ERP.... The reason I mention that is because if that wasn't a thing, we wouldn't see these kinda PF's. Really people shouldn't need to "filter" anything out, it just shouldn't be public. Simple as that. It's like saying having very specific bullets firing out of a gun in a candy store is what makes it so horrible to see when you just backtrack a second and realize "wait... why is there a gun in a candy store to begin with?" Same case with people are saying they shouldn't be seeing ERP in the PF advertised but also... WhY iS It A tHiNg To BeGiN wItH iN tHiS gAmE????Quote:
Originally Posted by Coletergeist
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08-10-2020, 07:05 AMKatie_KittyHow the heck is a PF ad for sex "evidence" that grooming minors exists? That's ridiculous. There are soooooooooooooooo many people in this thread erroneously conflating two completely different things for no reason other than the fact that some random person brought up grooming unsolicited in a thread that is about adults.Quote:
Originally Posted by NanaWiloh
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08-10-2020, 07:18 AMAnatha
Club ads amount to maybe 1% of the pf listings on any given day.
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08-10-2020, 07:41 AMVahlnirI'm not angry or upset. I just feel that they should be left out of the PF. If they are just clubs, that's fine. However, brothels and clubs with "benefits" are what I was talking about. You very clearly haven't seen Crystal though, because brothels and the like are being promoted at just about any time of the day, and I feel that it would be more tasteful to keep such listings out of the PF. That's all. Are there a ton of them? No. But it is more than 1% I can assure you. I'm not requesting that SE stops people from engaging in this behavior. I seriously don't care, so long as no laws are broken of course.. I just don't think that they need to promote themselves in the PF. I don't think that is unreasonable. If they are permitted to continue doing so it is really no skin off my back and I will continue to ignore them like I always have. I'm just voicing my opinion on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anatha
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08-10-2020, 08:10 AMGulaMosey on over to Primal or Crystal during the evenings. It's definitely more than 1%Quote:
Originally Posted by Anatha
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08-10-2020, 08:37 AMMariaArvanaI mean if you want to get technical, of course they're going to be more prevalent in the evenings, where prime time for EST has already subsided and is reaching the later half in PST, and is in the dead of morning for EU people. So naturally there'll be far less of other PFs and more of them advertising night time activities. Its the same concept with TV show scheduling where you see raunchier stuff the later you stay up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gula
At this exact moment on Primal, 7:34 EST/4:34 PST, there are 58 PFs, 0 of which are nightclub advertisements. Over on Aether, there's 66 PFs, only 3 of which are nightclubs, or 4.5%. During prime time hours, those nightclub advertisements are extremely out of the way. I can't speak for Crystal. And these numbers are during dead times where the content has all been exhausted so people are occupying themselves with other things. Can guarantee ya this upcoming week the nightclub PFs will make up 1% of less even in the evenings with it being a fresh patch.
But even beyond that, they're already out of the way in the first place. They're not advertising in the duty roulette section like all of those 'selling content' people do, they're all the way off in the 'none' section, meaning unless you for some reason specifically wanted to go check out whats happening in the none section, you'd never see them anyway unless you play at like 3am in the morning when there's 0 of basically any other PF. It's far from clutter, as Anatha said. In fact, I went for entire weeks without even realizing they were in the PF until a friend of mine mentioned them to me. -
08-10-2020, 08:51 AMTheodric
One has to wonder if certain posters somehow benefit from or partake in these shady advertisements themselves given the intensity in which they seek to downplay them as a problem and inconvenience.
I know that sometimes, all one has to do is put a character name through Google or some other search engine and it comes up with a Twitter profile or some such with evidence suggesting that the above theory is correct. I wonder if that could be the case here as well? -
08-10-2020, 08:55 AMVahlnirOne never knows I guess. I'm just not brave enough to find out for myself. The internet can be a fascinating yet horrifying place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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08-10-2020, 08:55 AMLauront
Certain things just don't belong in PF or in character search info, for that matter.
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08-10-2020, 09:08 AMJohnSpawnVFXAnd one can also wonder if the people who are adamantly against something quite harmless and inofensive aren't just throwing a smokescreen to hide their shame in partaking of these activities...Quote:
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08-10-2020, 09:13 AMTheodricFeel free to contact a GM or developer and ask them what their thoughts on this supposed 'harmless' and 'inoffensive' activity. I'm quite sure they'll have a different take on such things...Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX
I believe Yoshi-P has stated repeatedly that he does not wish players to use the game for such a purpose.
That it happens is arguably inevitable, though if people do not even have the decency to do it behind closed doors...and falsely claim that it isn't a big deal when caught, then that is quite troubling.
On a personal note, I believe that ignorance is bliss. I don't want to know or see what players in this game get up to behind closed doors. I also don't want to see the party finder or fellowship system misused.
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08-10-2020, 09:13 AMGulaThere's no wondering, that's just a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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08-10-2020, 09:14 AMLittleImpHere's a personal anecdote for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty
I played on Balmung for 3 years. I never personally roleplayed, but you end up rubbing shoulders with and make friends with RPers out of sheer circumstance. One of the members of my FC was heavily invested in the ERP scene, and was pretty knowledgeable about its major players. He once took us to Ul'dah to give us a tour and point out the 'who's-who', mainly for some laughs.
He pointed out at least three people whose main identifying factor was that they were known to be underage. He later ended up in a public 'relationship' with one of them, and I lobbied to have him removed from the FC on account of him literally being an active pedophile. I was shut down by the Officers and they told me to 'let it go' and acted like it wasn't a big deal.
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08-10-2020, 09:16 AMSyraten
Surprise surprise, looks like puritans are on every MMO out there
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08-10-2020, 09:18 AMVahlnirSurprise surprise, looks like you haven't browsed through the thread to see what people really think. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Syraten
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08-10-2020, 09:18 AMTheodricIt's rather odd to me that your very first post on this forum consists of branding players expressing concern about seedy activities in an online game as 'puritans'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syraten
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08-10-2020, 09:23 AMSyraten
But I'm stating my personal opinion. Now I'm not familiar with the ERP scene at all, not really my kind of thing and I'm not a part of Aether but I know people's penchant for overreacting about things. Sometimes it is best to ignore these things and go about your business or if you do have a concern then report it to a GM.
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08-10-2020, 10:05 AMLauront
It's publicly advertising it that is the issue. That's got little to do with "puritanism".
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08-10-2020, 01:19 PMRanaku
As far as i remember there was a player that asked a GM about advertising erp and the GM said it's alright and ERP isn't against the rules if you wan't to believe the screenshot of the conversation between player and gm.
And what Yoshi P said is that we shouldn't use mods, especially nude mods, cause it can get yourself and XIV in trouble cuz of certain rules in certain countries where the game is available. Which has nothing to do with ERP tbh.
But i also think, even tho i tolerate almost every playstyle, ERP advertising in party finder is a really really strange thing, same goes for searching a waifu over the pf. xD There are so many roleplay discords, forums etc. in which you can advertise your stuff, even nsfw things. I also think it has nothing to do with puritanism, people just don't want to come into contact with that kind of stuff and i think it's a good compromise that the stuff isn't against the rules and people stay out of the open spaces with that stuff. -
08-10-2020, 01:27 PMRanaku
Have the screenshot with the conversation between that player and Gm Dorxenore before me. If it isn't a really good fake the Gm actually said "Just to inform you again, ERP and Party Finder ERP's are not a violation." Selling houses is btw.
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08-10-2020, 04:48 PMLittleImpQuote:
Originally Posted by Ranaku
Nope.Quote:
Press: What is your official stance on player-run “brothels,” wherein two consenting players have cybersex in exchange for in-game currency? [This was a contentious question, and one that Yoshida seemed blindsided by. -Ed]
Yoshida: First of all, there is a user agreement that all players have to agree to before they can even start playing Final Fantasy XIV. Within that user agreement is a clause that prohibits any unacceptable conduct to this end, including behavior that infringes upon laws. Any players who violate those rules will be punished by banning or other penalties. This applies no matter which end of the exchange a player is on. Everyone who plays Final Fantasy XIV is subject to investigation for violating the terms of service, period. Because Final Fantasy XIV is a worldwide game, there is the potential for players from many different regions to interact with one another, and we have legal support available to assist us in investigations to this end in many countries. If you see someone engaging in this type of behavior, we ask you to report it.
There have been a few faked GM conversations floating around on this topic, some more blatant than others. -
08-10-2020, 08:40 PMJohnSpawnVFXNote that he hasn't mentioned ERP at all. And brothels are illegal in some countriesQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleImp
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08-12-2020, 12:50 PMJibs
But...but....PF is my source for feet pics.....
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08-13-2020, 11:01 PMEdea-Kramer
They travel to other servers and shout their crap about "sensual events"