Moving will be made to interrupt spellcasting at a point in time...

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Originally Posted by RemVye

You're all complaining... and I don't mind either way... however did anyone notice the reduced cast time for most of the spells?

Conjurer:
Stoneskin - 3 seconds
Cura - 2 seconds
Curaga - 3 seconds
Protect - 3 seconds
Aero - 2 seconds
Aerora - 4 seconds
Raise - 10 seconds (longest cast)


On the flip side.... Thm spells
The base elements Fire, Blizzard, Thunder are 2-3 seconds
'ra spell(s) are 5 seconds
'ga spell(s) are 5-8 seconds

I guess calling powerful black magix to destroy thy' enemies takes concentration young Skywalker.

For the short casts, between the starting animation and finishing.. there will be a very small gap where you can move. For the longer casts, well... thats just some tough cookies now isn't it.

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Usually I stand as far as I can to stay away from the mob, but still be able to cast. 3 seconds is all it takes for someone to move out of range, or maybe your thumb involuntarily twitches and moves you canceling the spell.

This is what happens when you stand still! You end up talking, and this is what happens when you stop to talk.

http://youtu.be/rlnyjw5LUj0?t=7m58s

being able to move to cancel is GREAT! and about time!!!

exactly how it should have been from the start! remove all these lockdowns we have now its annoying and inhibits good combat. ff11 had it smack on..all i can do is hope they grab alot more from 11 ...you know the one that didnt go belly up at release :rolleyes:

SE can do it right, and are on the right track in this regard.

moogle rating +3 SE gj gj and again...gj!!

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

being able to move to cancel is GREAT! and about time!!!

exactly how it should have been from the start! remove all these lockdowns we have now its annoying and inhibits good combat. ff11 had it smack on..all i can do is hope they grab alot more from 11 ...you know the one that didnt go belly up at release :rolleyes:

SE can do it right, and are on the right track in this regard.

moogle rating +3 SE gj gj and again...gj!!

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Right, cause MMO's back then had the same standards as now...
For those who live in a world that FFXI started off as glorious as it is now, should read http://zeusls.llima.net/download/ffxiupdatehistory.html for a history lesson.

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

being able to move to cancel is GREAT! and about time!!!

exactly how it should have been from the start! remove all these lockdowns we have now its annoying and inhibits good combat. ff11 had it smack on..all i can do is hope they grab alot more from 11 ...you know the one that didnt go belly up at release :rolleyes:

SE can do it right, and are on the right track in this regard.

moogle rating +3 SE gj gj and again...gj!!

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If you think they gonna remove animation lock in 1.20-1,21 with moving to cancel cast you are completely mistaken. Unless I missed something where they say this is what's gonna happen... but doubt it.

I'll never understand how people can like standing still in a spot. It is so boring.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

What's wrong with it? People complain about having to "push more buttons" or "go through menus" for certain things and it works just like FFXI spell cancellation which worked just fine unless you had a twitchy mouse/controller.

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You'll still be pushing buttons to cancel, they'll just be the movement buttons.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I'll never understand how people can like standing still in a spot. It is so boring.

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I like it because i regen mp! Watch the moogle video im pretty sure the cnj is still moving around, no one is breaking your keyboard / controller dude, u stand still while spellcasting and for faster mana regen, move when you have to. Your doing some hardcore complaining for 2 extra steps on a 3 second cast. I understand you would like that option but it really does throw off balance and isnt needed.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

You'll still be pushing buttons to cancel, they'll just be the movement buttons.

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don't bother pointing that out. they weren't smart enough to figure out how to cast a second time to cancel so why should they realize moving is a key press also.

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Originally Posted by ArtEmisPalmecia

Cause if you don't agree, your complaining... right? Great logic.

Except just like in-game now, something like Sacrifice II says it take 2.25 to cast, when it really takes 3 second, upwards to 4 seconds.

Again, I don't want to rely on the server to decided if I cancel the spell or not via movement. The servers have already been proven time and time again, that it is far from being in-sync with the client. Before the comment is made, .5 to 2 second delay is unreasonable for a MMO, especially if PVP is a planned event down the road, and we would still be using the same server infrastructure if the game didn't bomb so bad in the first place.

Just make it cancel via a easy button press, or made it mode 1 (move to cancel) or mode 2 (cancel via button command).

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Yes you are complaining:

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com·plain/kəmˈplān/
Verb:
Express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event.

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Maybe as it stands (since this change hasn't been made yet) we aren't seeing this in the 'current state of affairs' and a better word to use would have been disagree. However, in a few days this will move to complaint.

Aside from your disagreement with my word choice, the servers are out of sync true. Server lag will always exist, at least for people in NA... I doubt they will ever put an NA based server online.

For sacII being 2.25 seconds, it is... the only thing is that the spell finishes before you see it finish on your screen. People will adapt to the fact that they can move before they see the spell finish.

Other games have similar issues. WoW has it as well as every other game and it has an NA based server.

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Details (for wow players): Quartz mod and "spell weaving"... start casting, you can see your latency to the server, you cancel (move) while you're in latency period and your spell still casts even though you moved.

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Details (for Non-WoW players): You could see how much lag you had between your pc and the servers. It gave you a solid number in milliseconds. Let's use 100ms as your latency, a spell cast is 1 second... after casting for .9 seconds you can move and your cast will still complete.

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This is same theory applies to FFXIV.

This isn't ideal and the servers suck, we all know this to be true. However there isn't much hope to get the servers fixed before 2.0...

Also... Yoshi P is pretty smart, I'd wager all my gil that he will make the spell cancel by movement work the same way as Steadfast. You actually had a small area you can move about while Steadfast was active and it wouldn't cancel the buff.

You'll learn to play with it... right or wrong, hate it or love it, this is the direction they want to move in. If AFTER the patch comes out and it's complete trash by all means complain and they will change it.... ability queue anyone?

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Originally Posted by RemVye

You'll learn to play with it... right or wrong, hate it or love it, this is the direction they want to move in. If AFTER the patch comes out and it's complete trash by all means complain and they will change it.... ability queue anyone?

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That doesn't change the fact that they're wasting development resources right now implementing something that the vast majority of the playerbase does not want.

@RemVye
In due respect, while I believe your choice of word there was nothing more than a troll, or belittling attempt... You got me on a technicality there with the usage of 'complaint', so I'll concede on that.

On the bolded part, if the dev's keep their foot down on this decision, I could only hope how they have Steadfast working would be the same for spell casting. As that would be a nice tradeoff, not exactly wanted bar the circumstances, but nice.

On a final note, my opinion still stands, the removal of freedom to move and cast at the same time should not be done. If there is a grand scheme behind this, the Dev's should be more upfront on the reasoning on this. They should not just red text it within the patch notes without a DEV tag with no further explanation. If they are ready to remove this feature, we should not have to wait until v1.2x update to find out why, and not just ride along cause the Dev's said so.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

vast majority of the playerbase does not want.

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Seems a bit bit sensationalist. Until there's an actual poll, there's no way of knowing whether or not that's true. The minority are usually the most vocal on these forums, as it has always been. There's going to be even more bias in a thread dedicated to opposition of something, so using the comments on it to claim the majority dislike the idea isn't really fair.

I don't mind the change, and Yoshi-P has said that he's working on a big post to explain why they're changing it. He's said it's not because he wants to give players the ability to immediately cancel spells, but that there's a bigger reason. So before everyone goes off and cries bloody murder, I'd suggest to wait and see what Yoshi-P has to say about why they're doing it.

I just want to add my voice to those who think this is a really bad idea.

There's already enough pressure on healers to cast timely cure spells without adding the requirement that you stand perfectly still while doing so. It was an annoying mechanic in FFXI, and it's not welcome here, either.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I just want to add my voice to those who think this is a really bad idea.

There's already enough pressure on healers to cast timely cure spells without adding the requirement that you stand perfectly still while doing so. It was an annoying mechanic in FFXI, and it's not welcome here, either.

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I think I am against it, and that is for the mere fact that everything dies too fast and groups roam. From my current perspective no spellcasting while moving seems like a needless hindrance. However, that said, Yoshi has more clarity on the future battle mechanics, abilities, and flow. I guess I just need to see how it is implemented before I completely contest.

Lol I knew something was behind the reason they are implementing it. Yoshi said it himself AND the new cast times, and people are STILL against it without reason.

Cry me a river.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Lol I knew something was behind the reason they are implementing it. Yoshi said it himself AND the new cast times, and people are STILL against it without reason.

Cry me a river.

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they will be against it until he realizes it is a mistake and puts it back in. it wouldn't be the first time he made a change and then put it back in the game because it was a bad decision and resources wasted.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

That doesn't change the fact that they're wasting development resources right now implementing something that the vast majority of the playerbase does not want.

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As someone else said you don't speak for the vast majority. As naive as this sounds, this seems like a very small change... wasting resources makes it seem like they spent a lot of time doing this.

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Originally Posted by ArtEmisPalmecia

@RemVye
In due respect, while I believe your choice of word there was nothing more than a troll, or belittling attempt... You got me on a technicality there with the usage of 'complaint', so I'll concede on that.

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In due respect, I wasn't trolling. It might be hard for you to grasp but I was using a word... but that's ok typical forum goer. Anytime someone doesn't agree they are clearly a troll and belittling you, your ignorance fits in perfectly on the Internet! "How dare you use a word that (in my opinion) is belittling! TROLL!" But since you concede and I used the correct terminology, not sure why you went the extra mile to call me a troll.... must be because you're a troll (c wut eye dud thur?)

I'd put a positive spin on it... the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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Originally Posted by Endemerrin

Seems a bit bit sensationalist. Until there's an actual poll, there's no way of knowing whether or not that's true. The minority are usually the most vocal on these forums, as it has always been. There's going to be even more bias in a thread dedicated to opposition of something, so using the comments on it to claim the majority dislike the idea isn't really fair.

I don't mind the change, and Yoshi-P has said that he's working on a big post to explain why they're changing it. He's said it's not because he wants to give players the ability to immediately cancel spells, but that there's a bigger reason. So before everyone goes off and cries bloody murder, I'd suggest to wait and see what Yoshi-P has to say about why they're doing it.

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Well said...

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I just want to add my voice to those who think this is a really bad idea.

There's already enough pressure on healers to cast timely cure spells without adding the requirement that you stand perfectly still while doing so. It was an annoying mechanic in FFXI, and it's not welcome here, either.

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I honestly believe they will be giving this the steadfast treatment... they realized that its nigh impossible to stand completely still, especially regarding knockback, swinging your weapon, barely tapping the control.

Stop freaking out everyone and wait to see how it works. Why do we go through this every patch? You're turning Casper the friendly ghost into Freddy Kruger (i.e. making it seem 10x worse than it probably will be in reality).

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

they will be against it until he realizes it is a mistake and puts it back in. it wouldn't be the first time he made a change and then put it back in the game because it was a bad decision and resources wasted.

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If this is such a "bad decision", let him do it. The only other thing that has happened was action queuing, which MOST have gotten used to already.

Seriously, why not just see what the hell the man has planned for this. They need to make their own decisions sometimes, not go by what people complain about on the forums all the time.

@DeadRiser
You are still the one crying, as you immediately ran to this thread after the update on the translation thread cause you are that shallow. Your masking of your own cries is easily seen by all.

Troll.

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Originally Posted by ArtEmisPalmecia

@DeadRiser
You are still the one crying, as you immediately ran to this thread after the update on the translation thread cause you are that shallow. Your masking of your own cries is easily seen by all.

Troll.

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Lmao what? I've been knowing of this since yesterday, read the whole thread?

Why am I crying? I'm welcoming the change and want to see what he has planned.

White Knight by night, troll by day.

People cried for a way to easily cancel their casting... They got it... Now they cry some more. Sad world.
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Every boss fight that I've seen, mages move the least. Once a safe, ideal position is found, the mage just stands there casting cures, and buffs. The only time the mage moves is when the boss moves into a new phase. Rinse, and repeat.
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Why are people crying? Your lazy mage wasn't moving away.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

In due respect, I wasn't trolling. It might be hard for you to grasp but I was using a word... but that's ok typical forum goer. Anytime someone doesn't agree they are clearly a troll and belittling you, your ignorance fits in perfectly on the Internet! "How dare you use a word that (in my opinion) is belittling! TROLL!" But since you concede and I used the correct terminology, not sure why you went the extra mile to call me a troll.... must be because you're a troll (c wut eye dud thur?)

I'd put a positive spin on it... the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
With the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response.

I doubt your choice of words were not done with that intent.

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Originally Posted by kwestro

People cried for a way to easily cancel their casting... They got it... Now they cry some more. Sad world.
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Every boss fight that I've seen, mages move the least. Once a safe, ideal position is found, the mage just stands there casting cures, and buffs. The only time the mage moves is when the boss moves into a new phase. Rinse, and repeat.
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Why are people crying? Your lazy mage wasn't moving away.

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spoken like a dd that has no idea what he is talking about.

So remind me, what exactly was so hard about reselecting the spell you were casting to manually cancel it?

People just assume mages stand there but you don't. Maybe some situations you'll stay still but a mage that never moved was a terrible mage. Don't understand the need for this change at all; all it'll do is slow down the gameplay speed for mage players and make reliable support more difficult. Not a fan.

Yoshida has made a post stating that he is writing up a long explanation about spell interruption upon movement.

We will give you guys an update as soon as he posts and we cast our translation magic!

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hi, this is Yoshida, the Producer/Director.

I would like to comment on spells being halted by moving while casting in patch 1.20.

We are still in the process of implementing and testing this spec, but I will provide an explanation on why this is being implemented soon, so please stay patient.

When a character is moved while casting a spell, the spell is instantly halted. Once the character stops moving and casts another spell, the new spell will be cast instantly.
(Although there will be a standard MMO lag of about 0.3 seconds)

We will set up a specific key for halting spells, so we did not implement this spec as a method of halting spells.

I am preparing a long explanation regarding this, so please hang on a bit longer.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

spoken like a dd that has no idea what he is talking about.

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Spoken like a person who doesn't know my full stats. All my DOM/W classes are 50 except ARC. No power-leveling. I know what I'm talking about. I've played the roles, extensively. Checkmate.

This is fine. Playing mage will still be extremely boring.

Cast Cure, Take nap, Cast Cure again.

I hate playing mage. It was extremely boring. Now I have to stay still to cast? Great, I was doing that anyway.

EDIT: And WHAT HAPPEN TO MY SIG??

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

I am glad to know that I am not the only one who finds the current "recast to cancel" thing not 100% reliable. Sometimes when I click to cancel my cast it does absolutely nothing at all. Could be lag, who knows. But it does not always work.

I do NOT want the slightest little wiggle to cancel my spell though... That would make me crazy. I would much rather movement increase the cast time.

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This is an issue with the client-server architecture that I've mentioned in many of my old posts. The game just seems to fucking drop packets all over the place and it has no clear way of telling you WHEN you're able to input the next skill due to animation locks. I've had FAR too many times to count where I hit a button to do a skill only for the button to not register, even though it was CLEARLY shown that my character was free and available to do the next skill (no animation lock or anything).

If they fixed the issue with the shitty client-server architecture (which they said will be fixed A YEAR FROM NOW in 2.0) then hitting the same button to undo a cast would work. Or as many people have pointed out, just give us a fucking universal "cancel cast" button to stop it. :(

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Yoshida has made a post stating that he is writing up a long explanation about spell interruption upon movement.

We will give you guys an update as soon as he posts and we cast our translation magic!

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Thanks Rukkirii.

Looks like he also had some follow up posts to players concerns about this topic.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

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With the current server state, we noticed a lag when we cast spells. Are you sure there won’t be a bigger lag than 0.3 seconds when cancelling a spell via movement?

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We are currently performing tests by changing the process from a script to hard-coding. Please note that if we are unable to achieve the results that we want, we will not implement the feature forcefully.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

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*When an enemy that is much higher level than you performs a long-ranged attack, you tend to KO prior to actually seeing the damage.
* When you use a WS, the attack motion, damage done, and logs are out of sync (HP drops > attack motion > logs)

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I’m going to go a little off topic here, but this is something I eventually wanted to talk to the community about.
This issue actually isn’t caused by server lag, but due to how the client program was made. Therefore, it’s currently working by design.
It was designed so that any communication from the server will reflect the UI without any lag.

After I took over, I instructed the devs to change how this works and it was originally planned to go live in patch 1.17.
However, upon implementation, we received numerous negative feedback from the QA team such as “It’s harder to cure” and “It’s more stressful than what it was before.” It took me a while to make the final call, but at the end, we decided not to implement it. The process is currently masked and it can go live at any time.

The current plan was to implement this with 2.0, but if need be, it can be implemented sooner. Would you guys prefer us implementing this sooner in the current state?

The only thing about this is that if it is implemented in the current state, it might actually feel like there’s more lag than what there is currently.
This is due to the server implementing a wait time in order to make sure the damage, motion, and logs are all synchronized.
It may not have been a problem if it was implemented from the start, but since it’s not, the feature may cause more stress for the players.
It’d be great if we could receive feedback regarding this matter (it might be better if a new thread was created specifically for this discussion).

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Please make a separate topic if you would like to discuss this topic so it can be easier for us to send your feedback to Yoshida. :)

We will set up a specific key for halting spells, so we did not implement this spec as a method of halting spells.

Am I reading between the lines but does this mean that once the specific key is implemented, movement as a means of halting spells will be removed? ...so we did not implement [moving] specifically as a method of halting spells.

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Originally Posted by Rubicon

We will set up a specific key for halting spells, so we did not implement this spec as a method of halting spells.

Am I reading between the lines but does this mean that once the specific key is implemented, movement as a means of halting spells will be removed? ...so we did not implement [moving] specifically as a method of halting spells.

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what it sounds like to me is he wants to make movement stop spells for future PvP balance. I know this will open a whole new can of worms but PvP is coming mages being able to kite others to death will make them OP.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

what it sounds like to me is he wants to make movement stop spells for future PvP balance. I know this will open a whole new can of worms but PvP is coming mages being able to kite others to death will make them OP.

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So PVE suffers so there can be balance for PVP? /uninstall

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Originally Posted by Krausus

what it sounds like to me is he wants to make movement stop spells for future PvP balance. I know this will open a whole new can of worms but PvP is coming mages being able to kite others to death will make them OP.

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All they need to do is just have mages casting behave differently in a PvE vs a PvP environment. If you're in a PvP instance, moving interrupts your casts. If you're doing general PvE, you can move while casting. I don't see why it's an issue.

This the reason why I didn't want PvP to be in FFXIV in the first place, BECAUSE of this "can of worms" where now Square has to juggle even MORE balance issues with their classes between PvE and PvP. The two forms of play are so different from each other that it's very difficult to make skills and spells perfectly balanced for both types of play. :/

Edit: However, I remember in some of the old player polls that PvP was in very low demand for XIV, so that does give me some hope that Square won't worry too much about the PvP side.

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Originally Posted by Bahn

All they need to do is just have mages casting behave differently in a PvE vs a PvP environment. If you're in a PvP instance, moving interrupts your casts. If you're doing general PvE, you can move while casting. I don't see why it's an issue.

This the reason why I didn't want PvP to be in FFXIV in the first place, BECAUSE of this "can of worms" where now Square has to juggle even MORE balance issues with their classes between PvE and PvP. The two forms of play are so different from each other that it's very difficult to make skills and spells perfectly balanced for both types of play. :/

Edit: However, I remember in some of the old player polls that PvP was in very low demand for XIV, so that does give me some hope that Square won't worry too much about the PvP side.

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FTR I do agree with you but I think if things where that easy more games would do it, to date I dont know of 1.

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Originally Posted by kwestro

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Spoken like a person who doesn't know my full stats. All my DOM/W classes are 50 except ARC. No power-leveling. I know what I'm talking about. I've played the roles, extensively. Checkmate.

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and if you are taking up for it then you just show even people that leveled without pl parties could still be absolutely horrible at their job like you must be, checkmate.

How about you just save yourself the long explanation and just not implement it.

How about the devs do what they want sometimes and fk player fed back, cause they do is bitch and cry.

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Originally Posted by Firon

How about the devs do what they want sometimes and fk player fed back, cause they do is bitch and cry.

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that's what they did when the game released a year ago. we see how well they can think for themselves.