lol, waiting for Balthier and Fran as the main bosses ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
FFXIV 2nd expansion: Viera-like race still a possibility?
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10-15-2015, 10:40 PMSoralis
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10-16-2015, 12:57 AMRoegadyn_BearBalthier really made FFXII quite enjoyable. Not sure the game would be quite the same without his constant snarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soralis
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10-16-2015, 01:54 AMSkivvy
I think at this point, considering all the races we do have, i'd love to have a non-humanoid for once. I'm sure SE could make something awesome.
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10-16-2015, 03:23 AMZarzakQuote:
Originally Posted by Samcaesar
So what you are saying is because I have an opinion different from you (that Viera should not be added) and gave reasons for my opinion.. It isn't valid? Sometimes I love internet logic.
Like it wouldn't be cool if someone waltzed in on one of the class threads going "More content is all meaningless fluff, I play this game to make sexy bunny and cat girls, Dev team, make more anthropomorphic women to play and not actual content to keep players engaged". -
10-16-2015, 04:01 PMSamcaesarCrystal tower's in the game too, guess we're gonna have dwarves or something from FF3 added too? I mean.. What else are you going to pirates that use air ships?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
The reasons are entirely off topic though. I agree with you completely on your second point, the issue is you did this "I play this game to do raid after raid, Dev team, make more 4 entirely different raids each patch to play and not content that a lot of people enjoy."Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarzak
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10-18-2015, 07:35 AMSamcaesarSee, I'm not exactly opposed to cutesy races, but when it's literally the only thing they make with no leeway for tough looks for the girls of the race (boys of the race being the opposite with little leeway for cute looks), it looks so lazy (imo) and I get so frustrated with it. I'd figure a bunch of this would be really minor stuff, like a "fur patch" option for the Miqo'te to give a more feral look, a lack of height differences between the guys and girls within a race (Like what the Lalafell currently have), a choice between the body scales that you want for the Au Ra, et cetera.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear
I just hate it because SE's strategy for making new races seems to be "Let's pander to one demographic and just barely to make stuff for the other demographics" (See the one "mean" face for the girl Au Ra, the two "demi"beast-men, and the less-than-half-as-thick-as-the-guys, amazonian esque attractive Roegadyn women), and it's really frustrating imho. Like, I understand it's appealing to the main demographic, but would it kill them to give other demographics some love? -
10-18-2015, 08:33 AMRoegadyn_BearHonestly, I don't believe them adding such options would be a major drain of available resources... given that they're not exactly creating a new race out of thin air. The framework for the races are already set within the game and simple cosmetic options shouldn't be so highly demanding in terms of the amount of resources needed to make them possible, which makes you wonder if they really just don't want to add those options themselves unless their main demographic asks for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samcaesar
I understand it's just business in the end, but it really does suck to know/feel we're part of the demographic that doesn't really have much weight in terms of design decisions or input. -
10-18-2015, 10:10 AMKurogaeaWolves would be like male miqotes dude, something more vast......MOUSE PEOPLE! Buck teeth and long tails everywhere!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyAreku
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10-18-2015, 10:20 AMMimiluLala's with Micky Mouse ears, tails, and silly teeth.Quote:
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10-18-2015, 10:24 AMKurogaeaOh gods no, they would be taller than lalas, like 5 ft would be the max height and they'd be mostly bottom heavy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
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10-18-2015, 11:05 AMMimiluWhy would a mice race not be the shortest race?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurogaea
Plus, at that height they would be smaller Miqo'te with mouse ears and the bottom heavy part makes me think of Micky Mouse even more, with his rubber hose proportions.
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10-18-2015, 12:31 PMChiramuhttp://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/BurmecianQuote:
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10-18-2015, 02:14 PMBunnyHop
I really hope that SE implements this Viera race, I like them. I don't think it would hurt anyone if we get them.
If one doesn't like it then simply don't make one. I love cutesy characters, that is why I (and you) play Asian games.
If one doesn't like cutesy races, than this game (and most other Asian games) is perhaps not for you.
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10-19-2015, 01:50 AMSamcaesarYeah, honestly I wouldn't mind going without any new hairstyles for a few patches if it just meant some additional things being added to the current races, at least to get them to Midlander dude's standard.. And like hopefully those additions would be more than just "This new face is a tiny bit thinner than the previous ones for the girl's of this race!" and added something a bit more drastic and different. Like, I think it'd be pretty hilarious and great if the Lalafell got an "Old" option like how the Elezen dudes have, especially if it was given to Papashan or something too. Or maybe a more "Pretty" face for Roegadyn dudes, just to mix things up a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear
I mean, and I'm sure that's why a good bit of these threads do initially pop up, to garner support from that main demographic, but I can't help but feel like they're not so keen on the other demographics getting pandered to instead of them for a change.. :\
Typecasting all games made in Asia as games with only "cutesy races" is kinda stereotyping don't you think? I mean, the various races like the Qu or Burmecians in ff9 weren't all that cute (Or if we wanna talk FF12, then the Bangaa certainly weren't cute! ..Shame a girl Bangaa never joined your party in the game). Don't forget stuff like the games Fromsoft makes. I definitely don't play "Asian" games for the cutesy races though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyHop
It's kinda a poor business strategy and not a good sign for a community if the answer that people from another demographic asking for something get is "Maybe you should play a different game". I mean, if the roles were reversed, wouldn't you hope the main demographic was sympathetic to you instead of giving a "Try to find another game, because I would love this being added"? -
10-19-2015, 02:12 AMGemma
I would rather have them add more faces and customization options to already existing races then add another new race.
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10-19-2015, 03:16 AMBunnyHopI can understand where you are coming from. But I said "most" Asian games, because most Asian games tend to have at least 1 cutesy race among all the races available if not more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samcaesar
Whether one likes it or not this is a proven fact, 8 out of 10 Asian games that are out there have cutesy and or beastlike races.
I personally don't mind "another" cutesy race, I wouldn't mind another Roegadyn race either. I mean the more races we have the better.
I would personally love to have a race like the Firrans in ArcheAge. I would love to have something similar to Panther and Lupus races from Bless Online as well, they look very beastlike, fierce and tall. Love their full body fur.
Also, the Aman race from Tera Online was awesome too, wouldn't mind something similar as that either, to name a few.
My last comment was meant for people that come here and try to get away with every excuse to make a developer not implement cutesy race just because they don't like it. I can understand that you (or others) don't like it, but there are plenty of other people who do like it and the more races we have the broader audience a game will attract, which in my book is always a good thing.
For me personally there are 4 major things that a game attracks me:
1: Races (if I don't like any of the available races within a game, I simply don't play it)
2: Mounts + Pets
3: Lore
4: Lot's of PvE environment
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10-19-2015, 05:18 AMZumi
Bunny girls aren't my thing for sure, but I like cat girls and dragon girls for sure. I wouldn't play a Viera but I wouldn't mind if they add it.
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10-19-2015, 07:32 AMNonomas
I wouldn't mind a beast-like race. ( Maybe w/ a human / human-like body so they don't have to do much changes to gear? ) I'd love to have variety.
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10-19-2015, 07:50 AMColorfulUh, what? I play JRPGs because Japan puts out some of the best RPGs, or did I forget about some cute bunny race in Dark Souls? If you mean MMOs only, then no. I try to actively avoid anything that's been made in an asian country until late impressions are out, asians MMOs tend to be absolute garbage 99% of the time. If you're playing this game only for the cute things, then this is the wrong game for you, not the other way around. There are plenty of games that cater to cute needs thousands of times better than FFXIV ever will.Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyHop
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10-19-2015, 10:49 AMXgungraveX
rather have something not humonoid
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10-19-2015, 10:49 AMGhastly
What some are asking for aren't races, they're monsters/aka beast tribes.
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10-19-2015, 03:54 PMHieral
They added a Viera-like race in 1.0. It's called miq'ote. Enjoy.
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10-20-2015, 08:56 AMSamcaesarEh, a lot of western games have "cute" races as well, they just tend to go for more realistic approaches which makes them look less "cute". Like WoW and the Gnomes and Panderan, both are definitely "cute" races. Tons of games have tough races, beast-like, normal, et cetera races, though I think the more realistic (as opposed to stylized) aesthetic of Western games leads to less cutesy races.Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyHop
Of course more races would attract a broader audience, I don't disagree there, but the 3rd addition of demi-beastman races that would likely have tough men and fairly cutesy women that look akin to the Viera probably wouldn't attract anyone new (Besides I suppose die-hard FF12 fans and people who like bunny people but not demony people or cat people), more just give those people who like that sorta race another option to choose from when making a new character/messing around in the CC/using a fantasia. Something very unique and not in the game currently would broaden the audience though.
The thing is I know SE can make good races, heck I love the more tougher looking beastman races in FFXIV, I wouldn't mind something akin to that. And I also like the races, but I wish more work was put into them so the guys and girls didn't look so dimorphic, like even the big race's women are still half the size of the men of their race. I guess what I'm just asking for is I'd love a race like the the Lalafell, in that they're fairly similar between the guys and girls in terms of facial and body structure, but on the opposite end of that spectrum being fairly big and tough looking. Alternatively, I'd be way more apt with whatever they added if they just redid character customization so that I could have at least have the option to make a girl character look more tougher looking, e.g adding stuff like equalizing the heights, adding a genuinely "tough" face option instead of the annoyed looking faces, et cetera. Now.. If they did both, I think I would just start throwing money at the dev team. -
10-20-2015, 12:00 PMDenebPunkin
I think most people agree that instead of having a completely new race.. just add the Viera option under the Hume/Kitten people. Make a hume/kitten and have options for type of ear.. or just add an option with the Sun/Moon tribe thingie. This way SE can actually focus on a new race that has 4 arms like Gilga or a Mermaid or even Moggles so I can make a Monte Blanc T_T.
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10-20-2015, 01:06 PMHugoAndore
Add the moogle race, with jobs of geomancer like ff3, beastmaster, and doll/puppetmaster as lulu in ffx.
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10-20-2015, 01:15 PMColorfulI don't really believe Moogles would make sense, we already have them in Hydaelyn so it's not like they could just up and change them all of a sudden. The way they are now is certainly not fit for battle either.Quote:
Originally Posted by HugoAndore
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10-20-2015, 01:20 PMHugoAndore
If, that small Lalafell can fight, so can the moogle. The fF tactics ones fight, different type of races of moogles, as the pics can show. was just an opinion.
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10-20-2015, 01:39 PMPyroxeneExactly! If thats how they want to fob it off, well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorielle
Roe: Burly Hume
Au Ra: Hume with Tails and Horns
Miqote: Hume with Cat ears and Tail
Elezen: Effeminate Hume with pointy ears....
There is little to no variety here save from aesthetic options *cough* Highlander eyebrows *cough*
If they really want something different then there is going to be one hell of a job with armor clipping.
IMHO "different" equates to Amallja vs Sylph vs Ixal
There is nothing about them alike at all, unlike the player races.
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10-20-2015, 01:43 PMColorfulThe moogles were pretty useless in Heavensward, but who knows? I don't think the developers would be willing to refit armour on them though.Quote:
Originally Posted by HugoAndore
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10-20-2015, 03:10 PMTheGreatCatsby
If the Viera are an option, I'd like the ability to have my ears tied into a pony tail ala Usagi Yojimbo
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10-20-2015, 03:34 PMSullyI think the Moogles from the Ivalice Alliance universe are the best designed ones personally but I doubt that we'll see any of them in FFXIV considering that we already have a brand of Moogles.Quote:
Originally Posted by HugoAndore
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10-20-2015, 03:57 PMTripfriend
They'll add whatever race they think fit the narrative. Au`Ra took some serious growing pain so I suspect the next race is going to be just as hard to implement properly. It's hard to speculate on anything now since we have absolutely no hints of anything new, but given how SE actually does give a damn about the story and lore of FF14, popular demand can't really become a factor into this decision.
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10-20-2015, 04:37 PMEimian_EdaThis please. I'd love to make a mature, beautiful, fighting woman. Not as built as a Roe, but not as teen as Cat/AuRa (Though keeping the elegance of AuRa: Their default pose is very nice and polished).Quote:
Originally Posted by LucentLagombi
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10-20-2015, 04:43 PMSullyIt's fun to speculate though :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tripfriend
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10-21-2015, 10:55 AMSamcaesarThe big difference in "different" humanoid race is silhouettes and what you get when you try to make that race as human looking as possible. Elezen and Roegadyn (Particularly Roegadyn Men) don't look anywhere near human, to get to human for them you have to cut off so much thickness and height. They're humanoid, but they're not necessarily "Human + x and y feature". With the Miqo'te and Au Ra (Specifically the girl ones due to how their "beast" traits are already minimized), the biggest differences between them and human are a very minor difference in height and some small animal like traits like the tail and ears. It's much easier to ignore traits like the weird ears/horns and tail especially when they feel slapped on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyroxene
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10-21-2015, 11:03 PMGhastly
Being human is a huge problem in Final Fantasy.
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10-22-2015, 12:54 PMKurogaeaI'd like a Viera race too, or Viangaa since its a beast like race that we don't have yet. Though I hope if it ever gets implemented that they would make them look a little different than basic Hyurs/Elezens re-textured with tiny differences and limitations. Its just over-used and flat out bland at this point. Au Ra's for example. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyHop
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10-22-2015, 01:35 PMGhastly
For all the complaining people do love Au ras. The same will happen with viera. It would be a huge mistake for them to miss the opportunity that's there already. Want to add another bullet point about why viera is perfect for FFXIV? They're masters of all weapons...isn't that what defines FFXIV? Armory system where mastering all classes is a goal? For those that want creatures with no human traits and that are completely beast tribe based I just don't see any way anything that doesn't look human could make any sense in the story. It's not my argument, it's the argument FFXIV states. Beast tribes are not one to live with the other races. I'm hoping they hint at the next race at some point like they did with Yugiri. They would make eorzea amazing. They don't like empires (Archadia is just like Garleans) and they're the only race that would naturally adapt to Eorzea and all its jobs since they're masters of all weapons. For them starting ARR has very strong reasons.
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10-22-2015, 06:58 PMShurrikhanBut even as is every race is represented with every weapon thus far. There might not be a Miqo'te Dragoon, but there are plenty of Miqo'te lancers. There are some connections, but these are just as much a matter of the racial composition around the guild that trains the weapon type (Hyur and primarily Miqo'te and Elezen for the Archers' and Lancers' Guilds) as racial attachments to the weapons (the Archers' Guild being the closest to an exception).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
Additionally, we have yet to encounter a race on Eorzea that likes or is even okay with the Empire (except where large sums of gold purchase that 'opinion'). Their being something of a potential beast tribe though, that seems pretty cool, especially if they're less solely territorial in their interests. A nomadic beast tribe acting in relative cohesion (though likely with various interests between its few-several leaders) would be awesome. -
10-22-2015, 07:01 PMAntonius2004I'm claiming to be a fan of you as you speak so much truth (plus you appear to be a bunny person ^^) *AHEM* I'd really love it if Viera were made to be a playable race too. I love bunnies in reality, have 7 of the little devils. >:)Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyHop
If SE made FFXIV Viera's more rabbit like than human like then I think that'd be better than what they were like for FFXII and the conceptual plans. For example give them more of a hunch and perhaps make them hairier oh and for the ears let us play as lops. XD