Hi HealBus!Quote:
Originally Posted by HealBus
I highly doubt they'd ever make it per job. It's an increase by a factor of 9 (or however many jobs you have at 50) in the amount of runs people could make per week. They'd need to seriously nerf drop rates and tomes.
Realistically I think they would lower the lockout if it was to be changed. If they were to drop it to say, bi-weekly, we'd have to be accepting of the fact that we might get less tomes and/or drops per run, at least if they did it before the next patch. After that it's anyone's guess what they might do with it, hopefully they'll have a lot of opportunity to ease restrictions when CT comes along.
Myth tomb cap should be per job
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10-25-2013, 06:18 PMblowfin
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10-25-2013, 06:19 PMHik0Do you really want to spam AK 60 times per week?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garnatian
I understand that gear doesnt come fast enough for some players, but per cap job means that you can gear all your jobs full i90 in 3month (spaming a dungeons clearable with <i60 gear)= most likely way before SE add a new tier of set.
imo the issue is not mytho cap but lack of content that drop gear.
If CT turn into 1-2h/week no repeat , then I agree their will still have gearing issue
because you can't enjoy playing a job if it isn't i90geared? or cant farm i80raid(?) with i70gear?Quote:
Do you know what this means? You're only going to run Raids (this includes Crystal Tower) with 1 job and you're only going to use Myth on 1 job. Do you know what this means? Playing more than 1 job serves little purpose.
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10-25-2013, 07:07 PMsynaesthetic
There's no such thing as an MMO that doesn't gate gear progression. This is no different than weekly caps on tokens in any other game. No different at all. Obviously, they will not change it until a new tier of tokens comes out, in which case philo tomes will be deprecated and myth tomes will become the new philo tomes. If you don't know why then you aren't thinking very clearly. Letting the tryhards cap out within a month or two after launch will cause them to unsubscribe and wait for the next content patch/expansion.
They have to hard-cap progression at a certain point to keep the tryhards subscribed.
The alternative is for the developers to decide the tryhards aren't worth keeping and go full casual, which tends to be more lucrative financially anyway. Ya'll should be grateful they haven't done that. -
10-25-2013, 08:07 PMMagical
I think that there should be a total limit so if you don't claim any myth on the current week it should accumulate towards the next week. So as the game been out for 5 weeks (I think, at this point in time) you should be able to get 1500 myth tomes and once you hit 1500 you cant get any more, that way it fair for everyone as it took me 3 weeks to complete story so I missed out of 900 myth tomes, this give me a disadvanage as I don't have a relic + 1 so people wont do the high ends dungeons with me, so I'm getting punish beacuse I did not rush out the story and get it done in the first week.
Make it fair SE, make it accumulate, give me a change to get my 900 myth back. -
10-25-2013, 08:12 PMRi_riWhich balances OP's proposal, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hik0
I think it's pretty silly that I can queue almost instantly as a SCH and gear up my BLM job. -
10-25-2013, 08:21 PMNeroI am currently gearing 3 Jobs with AF2 and Allagan ( PLD, WAR, DRG ), so your point is moot if "more than one or two" is what you want, since that allready is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennica
Edit: Also, we don't know when gear becomes obselete, or if that will be the case if the Levelcap goes up. Maybe we can upgrade them as well into +1 like the weapons? We really do not know that yet. New Content hardly means making existing Gear obselete, it could be horizontal progression as well if the first expansion comes out. Don't have to be vertical and since we do not even know the stats of AF2 ( shown in last live letter ), it could be questable, upgrade from Relic, Drops from other Content or whatever. Don't have to fall under Myth, or could even be the third, fourth etc. kind of tome, with a different cap. -
10-25-2013, 09:09 PMShaddixYou sound like one of those guys in 1.0 beta saying all the issues will be fixed in the release versionQuote:
Originally Posted by Nero
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10-25-2013, 09:11 PMNeroGood way to totally igore what i have said and i said "could" not "will". HUGE difference, but oh well... obvious troll is obvious, no? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaddix
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10-25-2013, 09:28 PMHiirNoivlActually we do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
The new AF gears shown in the live letter are due to be released in 2.2 :) -
10-25-2013, 09:30 PMShaddixI'll address the rest of your post. I can already gear 9 jobs, they just have to be on separate characters. Is not one of the defining features of this game the fact you can play all classes on one character? Why did they even give you the ability to job change if they are only going to let you gear up one or two of them per character?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
Does it make sense to cripple one of your game's only unique features and make it so hardcore players have to run the main story nine times to keep all their gear up to date? -
10-25-2013, 09:36 PMNeroOh hai Hiir. Yes, but how will be obtain it? Will it be a Quest, or Dungeon Drop, or upgrade from current myth-gear, or a different kind of tome? Personally i wouldnt be surprised if it would be the the latter. The point is, as more Content we will get the more options to gear we will get. So it could be possible to gear out 1 Job with "AF1.5", "Allagan" and one with "AF2".. etcetcQuote:
Originally Posted by HiirNoivl
Would it be better to gear all Job like 2-3 Month after Release? People would just leave, since they have geared everything and have nothing to do anymore. I understand where you are coming from, but personally i like it the way we have it. Gearing out several Jobs with "Top Gear" currently just does take time, nothing else is preventing you from gearing out all classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaddix
Will gear become obselete at one point? Yes, that goes for most MMO's. But that is what i have said.. we do not know, if there will be also horizontal progression and also other ways of obtaining "new gear". Lets just assume we will have 6 different types of Tomes by end of 2014, and like 10 Endgame Dungeons total which drop valuable gear; it could be possible to have at least 4-5 different top-gear sets with similiar stats, or some BiS you can go after.
It comes down to being a "time sink", but is that really a bad thing? I dont think it is, if done right. If i see people in full DL-Gear, its nothing special really unlike 1.0. If i now see people with 4-5 or even more Allagan + their "AF1.5" it feels like they have achieved something, but that is prolly just me. The other side would be everyone being geared with Top-Gear within a couple weeks. And then? Topic incoming; "I am fully geared, bored, ragequit." SE can not and no company will ever be able to please everyone.
That was not me. O_oQuote:
In fact I think you made a thread about how bored you are after Coil runs.
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10-25-2013, 09:43 PMHiirNoivlWell of course. For me it's not the gears, it's the caps on the content. I would love to gear up everything on one character AND play my endgame content on something other than tank. (I LOVE SMN!) But the odds of me playing SMN on Coil is slim to none because people need tanks > people need dps. Plus my tank is level 90 while other people's DPS is level 90. So is anyone going to take me on the 1 Coil run of the week on SMN, and bench a DPS committed player, just because I freakin' feel like playing SMN this week?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
Heck to the NO.
So I'm leveling another character so I can at least play Coil and gear up my SMN character on off days.
That's my issue. I don't care that that I'm capped on gear or it will take 3 months to gear up more than one job. It took longer in 1.0 with the stupid random DL drop rate (lol remember that?) What I care about is the fact that I'm capped on CONTENT and I'm bored all week...
I see no prospect of this ever changing. I have no reason to believe that Crystal Tower won't be capped and the next 5 turns of Bahamut won't be capped as well. Weekly resets on endgame content will continue until some rep comes up here and says otherwise.
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10-25-2013, 10:42 PMShaddixPeople can already gear all job in 2-3 months after release, they just need to use alts. And if that is the concern, they can just reduce the droprates or the amount of myth acquired per run. No need for a weekly timer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
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10-25-2013, 10:45 PMZenakuQuote:
Originally Posted by Nero
If it really coming out in 1.22 patch that when they added new turns to bahamut coil. So new set of allgan with a new set of AF lol meaning in about 3-6month you start over lol. I never play this type of MMO 1.0 and FFXI was noting like this but people say it's a normal thing. Yoshi-p Said 1.21=crystal 1.22=coil then 1.23=crystal then 1.24=coil and so on. Which mean every 6month if they follow there big patch every 3month thing. You would have 6month to get the new set of gear then make gil or gear other job too the next set of gear come out. -
10-26-2013, 12:10 AMCrescent_Dusk
Are people seriously saying that the reason people stay in a MMO is because gear is withheld from them? What are you, 5? Since when does game development need to become paternalistic?
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10-26-2013, 12:27 AMOveronIf you have everything there is no point in playing , games are about achieving goals and rewards , what is the point of goals if all the rewards are earned ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk
Friends ? No they will leave too , no one wants to play a game with nothing to be earned and as long as there is items , gear.....etc to be earned people like yourself will come out and say that its unfair or too much .
This thread stinks of the foul stench of lazy .
When I see these type of threads , I am reminded of why I do not buy Fast Food, why when I go to the store I see employees sitting around talking , the Time my Wife came home and told me that a employee asked her if they could do Homework from school at their job , Why are roads are going bad , our internet is the lowest in the world , our schools are failing...................................this list keeps going . I mean why work for anything , lets just pretend and say we did it and get credit for it anyways ......
I get bored of doing CM , AK , and WP spams ...........but if I had everything 100% and all the gear I wanted , I would move on to another game . This game needs more old school ff11 ! -
10-26-2013, 12:31 AMMrObjectAs I stated in my earlier post as soon as I hit 50 I grinded out my DL set as quickly as possible and suffered from it because I burned myself out from doing all those dungeons so quickly. Do I need to exercise a little self-restraint? Sure, but in reality it was more about the pressure to be in the best gear I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk
When I hit 50 people wanted to get their relic asap, so I needed to be able to tank titan. Tanking titan wasn't impossible in fresh 50 gear but the MB hit wasn't very survivable with low end gear, thus there was pressure put on tanks to get into mostly DL gear asap so that titan could be killed. Since there was no artificial restriction put on philo the excuse people usually used for others who didn't get full DL asap was 'lazy'. -
10-26-2013, 12:51 AMCrescent_Dusk
Listen, when I go play multiplayer FPS, or an action/adventure game, I don't play it because I want the weapons and then I'm gone.
If your motivation for playing a game is gear and not the raid encounters themselves, then maybe you need to think over why you actually are playing a game that's in its base boring to you, but you put up with its lack of appeal only because you get items for it in the long run.
Those of us that want a separate myth cap or increased myth cap don't do it because we want the items and that's it. We want that ilv90 gear to be able to bring other classes to coil instead of being locked out to just one because if you bring a ilv70 geared alt compared to your ilv 90 main you are gimping the raid. -
10-26-2013, 01:04 AMOveronWrong game for you my friend .......... F2P games are like Fighters , you play them in short spurts to kill your buddies and other people , but eventually they die out .Quote:
Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk
MMORPG is longterm games , meaning 3-5-10-so on years .
Tell me one title that has had as many players as ff11 and lasted as long that is a FPS ?
Not a following .............. I like many FPSs , but none has had the player base of any Good MMORPGs and for a GOOD REASON.
MMORPGs are designed to last long , they give you goals that take time and effort .
FPSs are about killing other players , not about Role Playing a long Term life in them.........
Final Fantasy XIV is a MMORPG ( massively multiplayer online role-playing game )
Edit: My WHM is a Relic Holder , but only has DL ...........My BLM is a Relic Holder that has DL and 2 pieces of Myth Gear ...........You do not need more than DL for Coil and a Relic , so a Myth Cap increase or sectioned off Job wise does not make a difference other then making it quicker for you to get Myth Gear which is on par with Coil Drops ....................... -
10-26-2013, 01:21 AMGrembo
Myth cap should stay per character, can always clad alts in darklight till you've got AF+1 for your main.
Expecting to be able to kit out every single class with the best equipment in just a few months is sad. -
10-26-2013, 01:26 AMKeresThat's the thing that people need to remember here. It's not just "gearing up" your alt classes. Level 90 gear is literally the best gear in the game. The amount of pieces you're able to get should be extremely limited, regardless of how many classes you happen to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grembo
I'd personally be happier if you could only get level 90 gear from Coil, and limit Myth tomes to a new tier of level 80 gear, but that ship has already sailed. -
10-26-2013, 01:42 AMCrescent_DuskHaving fun with a group of people and mastering combat mechanics is a goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Overon
You have a really narrow definition of goals if all goals means to you is paying subscription for months for items that are arbitrarily withheld from you by some slowed down reward system.
They are rewarding you for time spent grinding, not for some feat of skill. -
10-26-2013, 01:48 AMOveronWell in order to reach goals you have to master combat mechanics or else you do not get wonderful things.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk
Again work = Rewards , if no rewards why work........
People who work hard should have extra rewards based on their work and accomplishments .
Sorry you just cannot seem to understand the large picture . -
10-26-2013, 01:51 AMTeaTimeBear
The people who are so against this would bleed out of their eyes were they to see how you had to obtain Maats cap. Back when there was no quick leveling in XI.
I dunno why this is still continuing since it was already answered. They have no plans to drop it at the moment. -
10-26-2013, 02:00 AMCrescent_DuskQuote:
Originally Posted by Overon
THERE IS NO WORK TO GRINDING WP FOR MYTHOLOGY EVERY WEEK. -
10-26-2013, 02:08 AMBashkarthegreat
There actually is a reason for this, and maybe you just arent looking at it close enough to figure out why they do not want to give us seperate myth caps per job. Regardless of what job has a cap, you could essentially gear any job you wanted with a different jobs myth tomes, because it doesnt prevent you from buying any piece of gear you want with those myth tomes. For example, right now i gain tomes with my tank for insta ques, and use the tomes to buy my MNKs gear. That is the abuse that will happen. People can essentially gear up something 9x faster than the normal rate
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10-26-2013, 04:26 AMShiyo
SE please realize this is a huge issue and you need to fix it before it's too late, change your stance on this issue and fix the problem. We as paying customers do not want to level an alt for every job we want to PLAY in coil(not gear, stop talking about gear,we are simply unable to even PLAY more than 1 job per turn in coil right now), and when coil takes my group 45 mins to clear, then I'm done for the remaining 6 days + X amount hours left in one day, you've got a HUGE problem.
The issue is becoming more and more rampart. check out this thread here, another fan-site forum talking about the same issue:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/118768-Multiple-Characters-vs.-Sticking-with-one-Thoughts/page3
More and more forums are discussing this issue, and lots of people in game too, It's starting to affect EVERYONE, please FIX IT. -
10-26-2013, 05:04 AMOveronIt is work or you would not be complaining about it......Quote:
Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk
Work something rare people like but everyone want the rewards from. -
10-26-2013, 05:11 AMOveronCoil does not need Myth Gear to do it , it is fully possible to do it with Full DL and a Relic Weapon .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiyo
Its not a issue and likely the players complaining and talking about the End of The world will be saying the same thing later on when there is nothing left to gain......
Myth Gear is almost the same Gear as Coil besides look and 1-2 different stat changes.
Laziness .
Any game that makes you WORK (Repeat/SPAM) Instances for gear or points for has this same very threads going Probably by the very same people . You want short Cuts , then want it now , then OMG THERE IS NOTHING TO DO IN THIS GAME !
Myth Gear is on Par with the Endgame's best Drops that literally rain so much that in most spots that endgame players hang you can see them everywhere now .
DL is good enough for Coil , if people are asking for more , than start your own group . -
10-26-2013, 10:53 AMInqDon't presume to speak for me as a paying customer. I like it the way it is currently, and the way it will stay until such time SE deems it is time to change. I have plenty to do in game still besides spamming WP/AK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiyo
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10-26-2013, 11:25 AMleojreimroc
I find the cap to be reasonable. I'd rather see prices for things go down a bit. But I'm fine with things the way they are too.
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10-26-2013, 08:19 PMfirepixiedarienDon't you dare speak for me. I'm a paying customer too btw. Also, Ignored^-^Quote:
Originally Posted by Inq
So much this. People could simply I don't know, challenge themselves by NOT obtaining the best gear if it could be grinded out so fast. But noooo, they have to be told by someone of a higher authority that, "No, you can't have everything now."Quote:
Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk
They call us childish Content Locusts, but yet they YEARN for someone else to tell them no instead of self-imposing it on themselves. -
10-27-2013, 03:51 AMShaddixYou didn't read the thread. They are complaining about not being able to do the work required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Overon
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10-28-2013, 06:12 AMShaddix
Crap decision SE
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10-28-2013, 02:39 PMwarren-ragnarokThis is why most mmos are crap, its the player base....if you cant enjoy the game and want to feel "entitled" to everything, you should leave. Also, if you play this game like its a chore, you should leave mmo games all together, they are designed to be time-sinks and enjoyed with MANY other people. Very little comradery or even actual teamwork these days, only people that jump ship from one thing to "the next big thing". If you think everything should be handed to you, i suggest checking out elder scrolls online or wildstar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyrist
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10-28-2013, 03:02 PMAllyraYou didn't understand shiyo's post at all. You cannot go into coil turn 1, beat it on whm, then go do coil turn 1 on pld in the same week. Gear has nothing to do with her post. Some people actually WANT to play multiple classes in coil for the fun of it. It's not just about gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Overon
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10-29-2013, 02:12 AMfirepixiedarienYou speak of camaraderie and teamwork, then suggest people to get the hell out of your game unless they do it your way or the highway. You are most definitely another oddball to go on Ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by warren-ragnarok
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10-29-2013, 02:26 AMTupsiIf Coil is the only thing to do in this game then and for as much as people like to tell us: "there's tons of content in ARR!" whenever a group of people bring up a lack of content...I guess some just weren't being honest :xQuote:
Originally Posted by Allyra
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10-29-2013, 02:27 AMSIXTYONESIXI wish they would slow the game down, but not through things like this. If they really wanted to slow the game down, they would double (at least) the number of quests available and halve the amount of experience gained from them, along with making most of them repeatable, especially the fetch quests and kill # of mobs quests. That would be a good start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esmian
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10-29-2013, 02:38 AMTupsiAs much as people will hate to admit it - They should have just followed the way XI did it instead of the way every MMO does it these days and also never survives. XI kept content and gear relevant through the years. I think the real problem is they focused so much on relaunching with that quest based progression it just really slowed down end-game, since we even have dungeons you could skip that could have be retconned into end-game raids - Sunken Temple, Halatali and Cutter's Cry (unless that's for GC prorgession now, I was already max rank.)Quote:
Originally Posted by SIXTYONESIX
There's just..so much empty space in this game in that the dungeons that exist you run 1 time and forget about them unless you want the gear from it or to help others. It's not bad what they did, it just..if the game starts once you hit 50 as yoshi says, it doesn't reflect that.