Realm Reborn = downgrade?

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Don't bother, I am not even sure you know what fallacies are.




"Last you checked" lol You know someone on the staff personally that told you over a beer or something; "Yeeaaahhhh, we COULD have kept the graphics in 2.0 looking killer with all this new stuff we're adding, but then we remembered we really hate making money and were like, forget it!" ???

And the point you make about about why xiv failed proves my initial point about graphics not being the end all be all in what determines a games success. Also, while tactics wasn't made recently, Minecraft was, with even worse graphics than tactics, an the masses loved it.

They also said the gamescom footage was run basically at ps3 specs. We should just wait until we see the beta to decide how we think it should look.

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What are u talking about? i never said anything about 2.0, i was comparing FFXIV at launch to the current version (1.23), with all the added content. The point i was trying to make was that Yoshi and the new team didn't need to take out animation or graphics to add in all the content. "Last i checked" was referring to last i logged in, but seems like you completely misinterpreted my entire post.

I never said graphics was everything, in fact in my post i also said that even with the animation out everyone was gonna still end up playing ARR.

I don't know where your getting your info from but i don't remember them ever mentioning that the gamescon footage being run on a PC with similar specs to PS3. In most interviews at Gamescon, the interviewers stated that Yoshida pulled out a vaio with similar specs to PS3 that ran ARR to show the difference between the higher end PC and lower end PC. If there was indeed a official post that said gamescon footage ran on a PC similar to ps3 then plz post link to source.

Honestly reading your post, seems like your simply trying to pick a fight. Your first point makes no sense, since in my post i stated "current version", i don't see the point of your 2nd point since in my original post i also said graphics was not everything and i simply want to know the source to your 3rd point.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Nitpicking pre-alpha footage is pointless for the following reasons:

1) You haven't seen it yet
2) You haven't played it yet
3) They're not accepting your feedback yet.

See my first post. Why don't you join alpha and find out whether or not you care?

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Your argument is invalid for the following reasons.

1) We have seen it
2) There are very solid reasons to think the shown animation will end up being the final product such as :
-The date of the demo shown is too close to Alpha, and character animation is a fundamental thing that is always done before Alpha testing.
-The difference is huge, we're not talking about character hair floating here, its like they threw away the whole thing and replaced it with #263863 generic animation from World of Genericraft.
-It makes sense to do it, if they chose to go the easy way of addressing the issues of animation lock and implementing jumping.
3) We shouldn't care if they "accept our feedback" yet, this is SE official forums, and this is the place, but most importantly the time to talk about it.
4) If we wait until Alpha it would be more difficult to change such a huge thing as animation. Its not a quest bug i can report and wait for the next patch.

when alpha comes out we will see the game and post feedback on what we think is wrong and who knows maybe they will listen to the alpha testers :cool:

They are Pushing down the graphics will kinda know that much, I like the art style change myself but you can see from the lower detail look of the armour, an the plastic look of the dragoon that we have lost something.
But I guess if they want to get more people and things loading on screen it was going to happen to a point.

But i'll agree with OP i didn't expect all the little animation touches that help'd put the game ahead to go, maybe like others say it is just because it's Pre Alpha but i kinda doubt it.

With the PS3 + people with average or lower PC's able to play though it adds a lot to the potential income to the game, which is what its about at the end of the day.
So unfortunately I think the nice touches will most likely go with 2.0.
It would be nice for what were seeing to be the standard and say 6moths or so from launch a DX11 package and some touched up animations for people with a decent spec PC's.
(i'd even pay for it tbf i'm so bored with games being held back for low end machines)

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Originally Posted by Diraco

The current animations are great and all, but what I'd really like to see is something like this for character movement animations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ea-CXxBEYg
Such a system would at least keep my character from floating off the ground or getting his feet clipped partway into it! I was quite disappointed to see floating characters in XIV after years of seeing them float in XI. It would be swell if the monsters got the same treatment, especially if their posture can adjust for changes in ground slope to prevent their tails/etc. from going through the ground.
Newer video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ZEvxwq_F8

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or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU2zS6bvCYo

I really hope there is a dev response to put an end to this pointless bickering. There is more conjecture in this thread than I can stomach. Fact is, no one knows and nor will we until the first Alpha tester breaks the NDA and lets us know. You'll obviously need to check other forums as any such breach of the NDA will not be posted here lest they lose their main account as they rightly should. Many people are jumping to conclusions on both sides of the argument and covering their ears to anything contrary to their point of view.

This sort of thing is the exact reason SE tries so hard to play it close to the vest. Any tidbit of information is scrutinized and pondered over and people form concrete ideas about abstracts. The character models and animations in FFXI continually improved over the original version so many years ago. It could be that they changed some of the physics, or perhaps they played it safe and turned some things off for stability so they didn't have a crash in the middle of the first time anyone has seen gameplay footage. I'd wager the intelligent move would be to notch the settings down a bit.

From someones prior post of Alpha footage, there was a similar character movement to that see in the new ARR footage. Yet when I played in the Beta the animations we currently have in the game were all present.

Also, don't get me wrong, I am no SE apologist. I played this game from launch and it became unbearable after a year, thankfully they followed up on their promises and made a fairly decent game that continues to improve. They appear to be on the right track this time around so I'm feeling just a wee bit hopeful.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Don't bother, I am not even sure you know what fallacies are.

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Today kids, we learn about fallacies!

Example 1 :

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Originally Posted by Biggs

lol You know someone on the staff personally that told you over a beer or something; "Yeeaaahhhh, we COULD have kept the graphics in 2.0 looking killer with all this new stuff we're adding, but then we remembered we really hate making money and were like, forget it!" ???

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This is a classic example of what we call : "False Dilemma"

"two alternative statements are held to be the only possible options, when in reality there are more"

Biggs proposes that SE either

1. Absolutely needed to downgrade the "graphics" in order to add more content. (although the thread is not about graphics, that's another fallacy, i'll get to it in a minute...)

or

2. Hates money.

When in reality, there are other options for example : "being able to keep your "graphical" quality while adding more content, yet you choose the easy way of trading an existing element for something new"

Example 2 :

Pay attention now, this is a little bit more tricky.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Minecraft was, with even worse graphics than tactics, an the masses loved it.

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This an example of "Affirming the consequent", while also fitting definitions of a "Faulty generalization"

"the antecedent in an indicative conditional is claimed to be true because the consequent is true"

Biggs here proposes that Minecraft has "bad graphics" and it is loved, therefore every game with "bad graphics" (assuming FFXIV) -will or could- be loved. (regardless of genre, target group etc...)

Example 3.

This is simple, very often observed, and could be really detrimental to any conversation.

Biggs started replying in this thread derailing and misrepresenting my (quite detailed about animation) original post, referring to the subject in discussion as "graphics"

This is the old and known "Strawman Argument", a fallacy that's never missing in any forum on the interwebs.

No, i'm not talking about "graphics" you fallacious galka, i specifically talk about character animation.

I'm disappointed by it, but the pros far outweigh the cons so I don't pay much mind to the downgrade in animations.

Graphics = junk like resolution, polycount, 2D or 3D, color count, and what effects can be implemented.
Art style/direction = the actual visuals, if they're cartoony or realistic, what setting they represent, basicly how everything looks.
Animation = how characters and environments move, and while they assist art direction and style, they are a completley different animal from graphics. 3D animation is sort of like a really advanced form of puppeteering, like claymation.

While all these things are connected, they are the furthest thing from equal, so be careful how you talk about them.

^ Exactly.

Also, no matter how good the character design is, (included in Art style), if animation is not of equal quality, it drags the whole experience down with it.

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Originally Posted by KamikazeMan

I'm disappointed by it, but the pros far outweigh the cons so I don't pay much mind to the downgrade in animations.

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what "pros" lol? It's not like there's some mutually exclusive thing stopping them from at least adding slowing-down animations.

Other games have both.

Prefer having a nice controll over my character instead of some stupid leaning, wich didnt look good in the first place.

Alas, if we can have better animations then the gamecon vid, but still maintain the fluidness it has, sure!

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Originally Posted by Nemy

No, its about a fundamental aspect of the game this time, called : character animation.

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Which has nothing to do with a demonstration-video of gameplay. I see a lot of statements from you, but you dont even get your own statements.

Read this again:

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Graphics = junk like resolution, polycount, 2D or 3D, color count, and what effects can be implemented.
Art style/direction = the actual visuals, if they're cartoony or realistic, what setting they represent, basicly how everything looks.
Animation = how characters and environments move, and while they assist art direction and style, they are a completley different animal from graphics. 3D animation is sort of like a really advanced form of puppeteering, like claymation.

While all these things are connected, they are the furthest thing from equal, so be careful how you talk about them.

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.. and you will maybe understand that whining about character-animation in a "pre-alpha-stage-video", is equal to whining about the color of an uncolored car. Funny thing is, you allready confirmed that post, but you didnt understand it?

The fact still stands, that you are complaining about the Character-Animation of a pre-alpha vid. That itself makes everything you say pretty much meaningless, since you obviously dont understand what "pre-alpha" even means. You are asking people "what's your point?", so let me ask you "What is your point?". At Gamescom it has being said the footage runs at PS3 specs, which does not imply that the graphics/animations are allready being made. You wont even see fine-tuning until the very last beta, which includes character-animation.

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Originally Posted by Mort

current character animation

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Originally Posted by Mort

doesn't look good

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Amazing.

No matter how outrageous an opinion seems, there is always someone that has it.

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Originally Posted by dragorian

will you pple even still complain when 2.0 is released look its not out yet and yall allready crying about it

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/kneel
thank you

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Originally Posted by Nero

everything you say pretty much meaningless, since you obviously dont understand what "pre-alpha" even means.

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A pre-alpha period can range from the moment a character designer picks up a pencil to draw the first line, to literally minutes before testing the product.

So "understanding what pre-alpha even means" is absolutely meaningless if you don't consider the actual time left before the testing.

A semi-public alpha test is not a period of core development. Its a period of correcting unintended mistakes, and fine tuning. And since i do understand the post outlining the differences between different fields of game developing, i know the difference between character animation and adding a +8 AA a week after open beta.

If you do understand what animation is, you could even go as far as dismissing my concern as meaningless, since we're so close to alpha that nothing this big can change at this point.

But the key word here is "concern". I'm not making an argument, nor do i "whine". I'm making our legitimate concern public, without claiming to know the future state of the animation in ARR.

You also have to be limited not to understand that this, is the time to do it, not later.

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Originally Posted by Nero

whining about character-animation in a "pre-alpha-stage-video", is equal to whining about the color of an uncolored car.

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The above statement could be true if we were nowhere near alpha testing.

Also, the animation in a video game is not the equivalent of color on a car. Its the wheels. And nobody publicly showcases a car without wheels.

...unless its really a submarine.

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Originally Posted by dragorian

will you pple even still complain when 2.0 is released look its not out yet and yall allready crying about it

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Slippery Slope

A good comprimise might be being able to interupt an animation with a new command so you simply don't have to wait for it to finish.
No lag, no loss.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

A pre-alpha period can range from the moment a character designer picks up a pencil to draw the first line, to literally minutes before testing the product.

So "understanding what pre-alpha even means" is absolutely meaningless if you don't consider the actual time left before the testing.

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That does not make sense at all. You are using the words "pre alpha video" to your own beliefs, which leads you to your whole weird assumptions. Pre Alpha means, that the current Game and certain aspects of the Game/Content have not reached the Alpha-Stage, which is were we can register for on the Lodestone.

Using a pencil is not Pre-Alpha State, that is the Design-State. You need to Stop mixing things.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

A semi-public alpha test is not a period of core development. Its a period of correcting unintended mistakes, and fine tuning.

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Simple said: Incorrect. Fine tuning is something you wont see in an Alpha, period.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

And since i do understand the post outlining the differences between different fields of game developing, i know the difference between character animation and adding a +8 AA a week after open beta.

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You do? Certificates.

AA has nothing do to with Character-Animation. AA is to improve the Graphic... <_< Didn't you just say you know the difference? If you think fine-tuning is all about graphical aspects, then you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

If you do understand what animation is, you could even go as far as dismissing my concern as meaningless, since we're so close to alpha that nothing this big can change at this point.

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Are you working for SE that you actually know what they implemented yet, did not implement, adjusted, did not adjust, showed, did not show? Game-Animation is of course something "big", if you want to call it that but it is still common for Demo-Vid esp. in Alpha-States to not show every single Animation, since certain of them maybe does not look the way the Developer wants it to be.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

But the key word here is "concern". I'm not making an argument, nor do i "whine". I'm making my legitimate concern public, with claiming to know the future state of the animation in ARR.

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Fixed. You should go back a few pages and recheck what you've said.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

You also have to be limited not to understand that this, is the time to do it, not later.

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That is what Alpha's and Beta's are for. Simple enough, or do you think the Alpha-Forum/Beta-Forum are there to have Small-talk about the weather?

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Originally Posted by Nemy

The above statement could be true if we were nowhere near alpha testing.

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You must really work for SE, since i cant find a given Date of Alpha-testing.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Also, the animation in a video game is not the equivalent of color on a car. Its the wheels. And nobody publicly showcases a car without wheels.

...unless its really a submarine.

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But without Color?.. Yeah right. lol If you want to turn words to your own beliefs, go for it. Wont change the fact, that you will be proven wrong, as soon as the Release is about to happen.

Remember when you went into active mode and your character just slided forward until the weapon was out and only then started running again? That was fixed and there is no reason this wont be fixed as well.

I guess this is why Yoshi don't really want to show 2.0 until it's done. You guys complain about every little thing.

We come to an age where complaining and concern are the same thing

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Originally Posted by Lirion

Remember when you went into active mode and your character just slided forward until the weapon was out and only then started running again? That was fixed and there is no reason this wont be fixed as well.

I guess this is why Yoshi don't really want to show 2.0 until it's done. You guys complain about every little thing.

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Yeah.. beside that i also remember how Animations were far away from being smooth in the very first FFXIV Alpha, or how your character stopped, when you pulled out your weapon, before it went into that "sliding" move.

/sarcasm on

We must have mentioned like Month before the actual testing, or they wouldnt have been able to fix it.

/sarcasm off

you ppl cried about the current state of on how you need a powerfull pc to even play it and im playing it on my 450 dollar laptop i bught from the store that has a smiley face it has 2.7 amd apu 4 gigs ram and a ati radion 75000 on apu and it plays fine but playes better on my home pc any who in the new version they sacled the graphics back a bit you cant play on any thing less than 2.6 ghz and a high end graph card atm so again stop crying about it have you played 11 well play it it now and compare the graphics it looks crappy unless you uncompress the maps and even still they aint still as good so i could care less

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

We come to an age where conplaining and concern are the same thing

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I still think it's the right thing to voice these threads with animation concerns as much as possible.
The movement and camera in the presentation were god awful, regardless of version.
It looked like they were playing Guild Fantasy XIV 1.6 (CS1.6).
Those kind of camera/movement controls can also spell trouble and clunky controls for console users, which as silly as it is to admit, they're the ones who might end up saving/keeping this imminent disaster afloat.

So yeah. Voice everything you want in these threads until devs start responding with consince answers (either good or bad).

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Your argument is invalid for the following reasons.

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http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/.../nickcage.jpeg

I just don't understand why anyone would think the animations, or anything for that matter, are all 100% complete. The animation for running diagonally isn't there either, its like running forward and moving to the side at the same time, and it looks horrible. Though, I am positive that it won't be that way on release.

I'm not saying to not judge this because it is a pre-alpha build, but i'm saying this because I've noticed that the animations stated in the OP aren't the only animations missing from this, and to be honest, the diagonal animation is something I really care more about than the OP's concern.

I have to say that if you are going to bring up/complain about one certain animation, you might as well bring up every other animation you have a problem with in that video, ie. walking backwards.

It's because they already had a game to build from unlike what they did with 1.0. The animation shouldn't have been degraded even on the basic level because even going to a new engine it would still retain the basic animations. This is why people raise the "issue' because as said unless it truly does change, they degraded it for the sake of PvP.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It's because they already had a game to build from unlike what they did with 1.0. The animation shouldn't have been degraded even on the basic level because even going to a new engine it would still retain the basic animations. This is why people raise the "issue' because as said unless it truly does change, they degraded it for the sake of PvP.

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PvP makes animations bad? How did you formulate this argument?

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

PvP makes animations bad? How did you formulate this argument?

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Their words. They changed the animations (downgraded) to have better movement for PvP play.

I disagree that "change" = down grading in this case.

FFXIV 1.0 was not the latest and greatest in game animation, even if it was highly detailed. Yoshi P and other developer frequently use the words "heavy" and "Inefficient" in referring to how animations are handled.

Your words: They changed the animations to have better movement.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I disagree that "change" = down grading in this case.

FFXIV 1.0 was not the latest and greatest in game animation, even if it was highly detailed. Yoshi P and other developer frequently use the words "heavy" and "Inefficient" in referring to how animations are handled.

Your words: They changed the animations to have better movement.

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Better movement does not explain the need to make the character strafe 24/7 (or be in a permanent strafing mode).
The lack of confirmation of a toggle option for this otherwise stupid system is worrying enough for both Gamepad players on PC and possible newcomers from the PS3 Side.
Let me give you an example:
FFXIV's current movement and camera are easily stand alone either playing on keyboard, keyboard and mouse if needed and/or gamepad.
Final Fantasy XI was the same, it catered to all 3 options.
Guild Wars 1 and 2 are not the case, they force you to turn the camera via the Right mouse button and acquire targets efficiently using the left mouse button and move with AWSD or Arrow keys. This makes for a clunky movement for those new to the game mechanics and completely alienates the gamepad users. And if you want to play with a gamepad, the game forces you to turn left or right resident evil 1-2 style.

For old XIV veterans and new players coming from XI, this might pose a big problem getting adjusted and might even kill the game for people with problems with their body that forces them to play 1 handed or in a diferent matter (ib4 stupid jokes) or even have a special support to be able to play the game.

I'm completely disregarding the stupid jump mechanic and silly animations that make the game seem like i'm playing counter strike 1.6 by the way, with the legs turning and the body facing whatever the center of the camera is and all that jazz.

To wrap this up: Since the Devs/Reps/GMs aren't addressing this concern or bothering to answer the players (because they know this, they know how the movement/camera will function in 2.0, they're either scared to admit it sucks or it's so broken and unfinished they can't even confirm the details) But an answer would make these threads go away.

"You need to have at least over 9000 animations before you're allowed to walk"
OH I JUST LOVE STANDING IN THE FIRE!

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Originally Posted by Volfield

But an answer would make these threads go away.

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You are being naive here.

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Originally Posted by Nero

You are being naive here.

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I'm being hopeful.

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Better movement does not explain the need to make the character strafe 24/7 (or be in a permanent strafing mode).

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Your entire post is based on a mode that doesn't even exist. There is no permanent strafing mode. I mean, you're even saying that 2.0 might lock out people with difficulty handling a gamepad?

Your last paragraph does sum it up. You've already determined that ARR sucks, and you'll grasp at any shred of evidence to back up your baseless assumptions.

I swear to god, I WILL find the damn moment when he's running while looking to the left in the Gamescon video.
Have none of you noticed how this camera-lock movement you percieve only when he's moving? And that even in the current goddamn engine it happens when you're auto-running?

If I weren't at work right!

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I'm being hopeful.

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Now you are being diplomatic. XD but yeah.. hopeful is a word i would agree on.

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Your entire post is based on a mode that doesn't even exist.

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http://youtu.be/Mos6_mQcR78 From 12:30 and on.
He's not locked to any monster. Yet he's backpedalling, not facing the direction the player is pointing the character to go. His body is facing the middle of the screen and his legs are the ones turning left or right.
This is strafing.
I haven't determined ARR sucks. I'm voicing a concern just like everybody else.

Requisite Research
Thread has slowly turned into a divided community based on actions of concern, pride, defence, malice, ignorance, and unfortunately, rage. Based on topic of discussion, major cause of such comments is believed to have stemmed from the visuals of gameplay and live footage of various events.

Introduction
The concern of the graphical grade of the visuals have resulted in a at the same time, fierce, entertaining, unwanted and rude argument between various factions of the community. There are legitimate concerns, and yet, there is also the ignorance of such concerns and the ultimate consequence they will have on the game. There is also malice and malevolence of several accusations towards the developers for their apparent lack of detail, promises, and twisting of various information to manipulate opinions and further arguments.

Materials

• Thread
• Personnel
• Opinions

Hypothesis
There will be a significant amount of ignorance or blind attitude between the two warring factions. Middle ground faction capable of discussing the topic without feeling the need for hyperbolic representations or saturated negativity have grown tired of the two warring factions, and thus proceed to use irritated mannerisms to approach the topic of discussion.

Development
There shall be names assigned to the three main factions displayed within this topic. Those who attack blindly/with malice, shall be named the Accusation Alliance. Those who defend blindly/with ignorance, shall be named the Defence Brigade. Those who wish for discussion and answers, shall be named the Irritated Entourage. Please refer to the abbreviations as shown via capital letters.

We shall first examine the general opinions before going into specifics the details of each faction.

There is the opening; concern on the animation quality of the game. This is by all means a perfectly acceptable concern - it provides a critical analysis of the visuals and information supplied to us via official sources and other areas of acclaimed presence.

There is nothing wrong with voicing legitimate concerns especially if it will aid in the further development of our much cherished game. Voicing our displeasure for certain elements before they are finalised will ensure that the enjoyment of the final product is reached. Critical criticism should be taken note of, and improved by, the development team; it is thus their duty to listen and pay attention to these small objects of concern.

To counteract the above opinion - the timing of such a concern. We are seeing pre-Alpha footage; finalisation has not begun, succinct and well-fleshed details have not been provided; the game in any form has not been playable by any member of the public as of now.

Change will occur. The game is not finalised, and it is still in its very early form of finalisation - many changes will occur with or without our input. The timing is not right - until the development of the game has reached a stage where such a concern will be legitimate in its undertaking, the concern should merely be a comment by which to track the development process of the game through it's next few finalisation phases.

The IE faction recognises the above, and is able to employ a lively discussion without resorting to the poor communication skills utilised by the other two factions. Unfortunately, those two contributing factions have soured the mood of IE, and thus, they have upheld a far more irritated mannerisms and attitude as the topic continues.

The AA faction seems to enjoy bringing out every single wrongdoing the development team has done (or not done). Trudging up historic events left better to dust, twisting information into barbs to attack the developers, using harsh hyperbolic phrases and confrontations to negatively offset other users of the topic. You have not bothered to give SE a chance, accussing the developers, riling against the developers; your attitude gives off the notion that the development team is at your every whim and call, like a dog, and by missing out on one negligible detail, they have dealt your first born the ultimate insult of disgrace.

Analogy - you are the brutal husband who slapped your wife for missing an ingredient on a shopping list, knowing full well that she is only halfway through shopping, and merely came to report on you. You don't give her a chance to explain before spreading rumours about her, even as she is shopping.

The DB faction seems awfully blind to the fact that the developers have in fact made mistakes, and that it is us as players to recognise those wrongdoings and present to the development team so they take such feedback into account. Refusing to admit past results, praising only the items of high evaluation, you do not try to accept change, you do not try to adapt to the fact that everything can be done differently, and not everything is set in stone. There will always be room for improvement, and yet you do not seem to understand this, believing onlyin the best.

Analogy - you are the blind follower of a politician who believes they know best for a country, but have made mistakes that will cost a fortune to repair. You develop propaganda, ignoring all that is wrong, and insist that the word of your politician is absolute.

Results
What is at first a topic for concern about a legitimate issue has instead turned the community into a three headed beast, each vying for attention in its own way. The level of ignorance, wrongly assumed knowledge, underlying tactics and pure blindness is the cause of these many controversies; it is ultimately not the developer's fault, but us, as the players, for subjecting ourselves to such useless concepts.

Conclusion
The players themselves have given into impatience, and it thus has a direct correlation towards Square Enix for their lack of detail. Information that could be provided:

• Specs of platform on which visuals were displayed
• Current settings of the visuals
• Latency or lack of
• Server side known issues
• Specific control variants and performance charts

It is also our duty as a community to support the development team. This means not just praises, but constructive feedback, legitimate concerns on timing, appropriate queries to answers that can be provided. Demands and accussation, blindness and ignorance are not support and infringe on the development team to provide a satisfying product for us to enjoy.

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REPORT SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS MORE DETAILS AND DATA IS OBTAINED.

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You didn't even entertain the possibility that maybe they haven't finished. Remember in the prior vids where they couldn't even interact with mobs? And before that when there were just still photos?

At this point, I'm shocked that people didn't scream "OMG 2.0 is just one giant screenshot presentation!"