What's next for new jobs after Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

I would really love to see BST introduced as a regular job like any other inspired by Rinoa from Dissidia NT, where you have a specific pet that's used as an extension of your combos rather as an AI unit that fights alongside you. I've brought this up before on this thread in the past but I'll post the video again because I think it would be a really unique way of adapting the BST job to FFXIV without having to be a shitty limited job. Note that Rinoa has a mage stance, but I'm just thinking of her gameplay while using Angelo in the first half of this example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-qrbXF-fKM

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This is really cool, though it would also fit a DPS phase for like WHM pretty well.

I do think we’re getting to 1 job per expansion soon if not the next one. It would be a good time to adjust other jobs too. While people here say they’d be happy without any new jobs to work in existing, many players porobably wouldn’t be, especially since new jobs are a huge driver to get people to try out the game. 1 new job is a good balance though.

I will not rest until Chemist is a healer in this game.

I wonder if we might get the dual swords/twinblade 2-in-1 Job next expansion? It would've fit Maiming better given it's the iconic Judge weapon, but Zidane also uses them, the so-called "thief swords", so it would kind of be a reversal where RPR should've been Scouting and this hypothetical Job, Maiming

Probably a bunch of "New" emo jobs based upon OG classics.

I feel they should stick to the classics, and stop trying to reinvent the wheel with weird A$$ $hit.

Said it a 1,000 times, but please.......

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

I wonder if we might get the dual swords/twinblade 2-in-1 Job next expansion? It would've fit Maiming better given it's the iconic Judge weapon, but Zidane also uses them, the so-called "thief swords", so it would kind of be a reversal where RPR should've been Scouting and this hypothetical Job, Maiming

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Then if it's a "Thief sword", you want them to have the Ninja's stuff, not Maiming. Ninja is the only DPS that don't share his stuff. Plus, it fit well with "Zidane" job's, but I can't see what the name could be. Bandits ? Smuggler ? Pillager ? Could be many of this...

Beside that, we can't exactly say that we will have a new melee, this is even less likely to happen because RPR is just fresh. Casters didn't get any since SB (Blue mage don't count !) and Physical Ranged got the last one on ShB (Which is pretty near, but also far away.). A new Tank and a New heal ? Forget it. They won't make a 5th Tank/healer because this will require even more balance on those jobs.

So, everything points towards a Ranged and a Caster... And considering the "Original" stuff they want to put into the game, we can have literraly anything that could exist or even don't exist. So let's see what each role "Lack" :

Ranged :

Bow (Arrow)
Gun (Bullet)
Chakram (Boomerang style, because they keep coming back)

We have two munition type job and one "Throwing" type job. Something that can throw axe maybe ? Maybe too similar to dancer tho... Or a ranged that can hit but with less distance (15 yalms) like an extensible whip ? maybe even a Crossbow job ? That's only for the "Non-original Part". So what about Original ?

A job throwing various object to the face of our enemy and that can get a few utility for the team, like a Chemist (It's not technically magical after all and it was mentionned by many people already).

Maybe a Ranger with a short sword used for Close range combat and a device on the left arm allowing him to shoot enemy from a distance while automaticaly reloading it (Like a mini-crossbow on the arm.), Ranger are also good at using Object for various effect in combat, allowing them to take the advantage on the opponent. Definitely some potential there.

Now let's take a look at casters :

Black Mage (Fire/Thunder/Ice and Neutral/Dark/Void (Xeno/Infect) ? They are linked with the Void somehow through the Quest, so...)
Red Mage (Earth/Wind + Fire/Thunder + Neutral Magic)
Summoner (Fire(Twice)/Earth/Wind/Neutral)

Every caster here are heavily oriented towards Elemental magic, for the most used spells at least.

What we could have would be some Talisman user (Onmyoji ?), More Elemental user (Chaman ?), or something using a Fan (A Zhuge Liang like) that could be a more supportive Caster than the other 3 by using Schemes.

For element, we still lack a Water user for DPS (White mage use Water to protect/heal). An Aquamancer ?

This one will be hard to guess if it's completely original because Magic can be such a variety of thing, it only depends on the imagination on who will create it.

If we broadly consider tanks as melee jobs and healers as ranged jobs, SE has consistently given us one of each type with every expansion. Even looking back at Heavensward, which had two ranged jobs, the job that came before was Ninja, and before that, Summoner. So in a sense, they've been alternating ever since ARR. Looking at those two categories, we've gone the longest without a new tank and a new magical ranged DPS. Anticipating one of each for 7.0 would be a safe bet, though it is worth noting that they may consider releasing two DPS jobs again. There was backlash last time they did that, but if they were to try again, now would be the time to do so while tanks and healers are "evenly distributed." Whether we get a new tank or a new melee DPS feels like a toss up, but a new magical ranged DPS should be a near certainty.

I believe SE has given us some hints that point towards what could be the next caster. It's a job that SE has spoken about before. One that they originally wanted to release back in Stormblood, but didn't due to the demand for Red Mage. It was a far eastern mage, referred to as Mystic or Onmyoji. The job makes an appearance during the Bozja questline and was also involved in the 2022 Heavensturn event. There is also The Heroes' Gauntlet. Within that dungeon, each boss is associated with a job that (realistically) likely won't appear in as a job for players in FFXIV. Meanwhile, all standard enemies are named after existing jobs already found within the game... with one exception: Spectral Ink Mage. A very curious inclusion. It sounds like a placeholder name for something else, and it wouldn't be a stretch to draw a connection between that particular enemy and Onmyoji when you consider that we've seen a shikigami summoned from a painting during the previous Heavensturn event. What the job ultimately ends up being called remains to be seen, but considering SE has already expressed interest in the idea, this job seems very likely to appear in the near future.

Personally, I'll continue to hope for Puppetmaster as a magical ranged job with the puppet as its main weapon much like Lulu from FFX.

As for what the next tank could be, one could make an argument for Beastmaster, considering the job has appeared equipped with an axe and a shield. But unfortunately, I suspect that SE is more comfortable with adding non-pet-oriented jobs. In which case, there is another option for a tank that would fill a niche that is currently missing. Rune Knight (or Mystic Knight). Tanks are missing a job that utilizes elemental magic to a meaningful degree. Rune Knight could attract players who would like to play as a spell casting tank that isn't focused on light or dark elements.

Regarding the next melee job, all signs point to a job that will share Scouting gear with Ninja, but what that job will be is currently a mystery. I can see a double-bladed sword user (like Zidane from FFIX) fitting into this role quite nicely. I see this inclusion being similar to Gunbreaker where the weapon is the selling point over the name of the job itself. There are several directions they could choose, though I'm personally fond of the Nightblade concept. It's a job that has appeared in Final Fantasy before, though not a common one. In the Mana series, it has ties to Ninja and Thief, making it appropriate as another Scouting job. In Brave Exvius, it uses debuffing slash attacks which is noteworthy when you consider that all of Zidane's weapons could apply negative status effects to enemies. I question whether SE would be willing to add a new DoT-based job, but at least there is a thematic similarity here.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

Within that dungeon, each boss is associated with a job that (realistically) likely won\\\\\\'t appear in as a job for players in FFXIV. Meanwhile, all standard enemies are named after existing jobs already found within the game... with one exception: Spectral Ink Mage. A very curious inclusion. It sounds like a placeholder name for something else, and it wouldn\\\\\\'t be a stretch to draw a connection between that particular enemy and Onmyoji when you consider that we\\\\\\'ve seen a shikigami summoned from a painting during the previous Heavensturn event. What the job ultimately ends up being called remains to be seen, but considering SE has already expressed interest in the idea, this job seems very likely to appear in the near future.

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They’re just regular arcanist jobs but they can’t use summoner as a name because primal summoning is specific to the Source.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

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Some of the classes you mentionned aren't "named" after anything that exist, like Lulu from FFX, which is obviously a Black Mage, but her weapon can lead to other thing related to puppet just like you said, and I agree with all of this.

Now for the upcoming job :

We have to take into consideration that Tank/Healer/Melee/Ranged/Caster are all unique role.

Today we got a 4/4/5/3/3 (Blue mage don't count, because of his limited nature).

Let's see how classes were released from HW and after :

HW : DRK/AST/MCH (Tank/Heal/Ranged)
SB : SAM/RDM (Melee/Caster)
ShB : GNB/DNC (Tank/Ranged)
END : SGE/RPR (Healer/Melee)

From what we see here it's quite easy to make some "logic deduction".

First of all, The number of Ranged and Caster is the lowest, with 3 for each role against 5 for melee.

Second, it's very unlikely that we got Healer's or Melee again (That would make absolutely no sense at all). We probably won't see a Tank again, at least for the next expansion, because they already struggle with Balance on them, they said it themselves.

Which let us with only one option : Ranged + Caster

YoshiP did say that he wants "Original" Job to come out into the game. Things that we've never seen before. For exemple, the "Onmyoji" or Mystic like some people like to call it, could be something never seen before (Or not exactly common in other MMORPG). What the Onmyoji make me feel like, is the Warlock from Blade and Soul because of all the "Talisman" used with their attacks. This is a class that has a high possibility to see the day.

As for the Ranged, I honestly have no clue on what it could be. I did theorize something in my precedent post, but it's not based on anything that the game "tease". We have Bow, Firearms,and Chakram. One obvious choice would be Crossbow, but I think it's too obvious to actually be that... And i'm not talking about how it's not really original at all.

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

Some of the classes you mentionned aren't "named" after anything that exist, like Lulu from FFX, which is obviously a Black Mage, but her weapon can lead to other thing related to puppet just like you said, and I agree with all of this.

Now for the upcoming job :

We have to take into consideration that Tank/Healer/Melee/Ranged/Caster are all unique role.

Today we got a 4/4/5/3/3 (Blue mage don't count, because of his limited nature).

Let's see how classes were released from HW and after :

HW : DRK/AST/MCH (Tank/Heal/Ranged)
SB : SAM/RDM (Melee/Caster)
ShB : GNB/DNC (Tank/Ranged)
END : SGE/RPR (Healer/Melee)

From what we see here it's quite easy to make some "logic deduction".

First of all, The number of Ranged and Caster is the lowest, with 3 for each role against 5 for melee.

Second, it's very unlikely that we got Healer's or Melee again (That would make absolutely no sense at all). We probably won't see a Tank again, at least for the next expansion, because they already struggle with Balance on them, they said it themselves.

Which let us with only one option : Ranged + Caster

YoshiP did say that he wants "Original" Job to come out into the game. Things that we've never seen before. For exemple, the "Onmyoji" or Mystic like some people like to call it, could be something never seen before (Or not exactly common in other MMORPG). What the Onmyoji make me feel like, is the Warlock from Blade and Soul because of all the "Talisman" used with their attacks. This is a class that has a high possibility to see the day.

As for the Ranged, I honestly have no clue on what it could be. I did theorize something in my precedent post, but it's not based on anything that the game "tease". We have Bow, Firearms,and Chakram. One obvious choice would be Crossbow, but I think it's too obvious to actually be that... And i'm not talking about how it's not really original at all.

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I used to think like this too, until I had discussions with other players that made me think otherwise.
First of all, ranged physical and magical occupy only one of each spot in an ideal raid group. 1/2 of melee dps to be precise.
Secondly, YoshiP and team considers melee as different roles according to their armor drops. That means the next most probable job to be released would be Scouting DPS like ninja. The other job would be any of Tank, Striking DPS, Ranged Physical or Magical and it would still unbalance the numbers of roles.

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Originally Posted by sergel02

This is really cool, though it would also fit a DPS phase for like WHM pretty well.

I do think we’re getting to 1 job per expansion soon if not the next one. It would be a good time to adjust other jobs too. While people here say they’d be happy without any new jobs to work in existing, many players porobably wouldn’t be, especially since new jobs are a huge driver to get people to try out the game. 1 new job is a good balance though.

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I feel, if you cant release BST as a pet class, then don't do it at all. BLU displays that bad things happen when you try to reinvent the wheel.

Your older brother gave you the FF MMO Blueprint to implement pet classes......How were they able to do a good job with BST & SMN in the early 2000s, but we cant seem to fathom how to implement it in 2022? Poor development; laziness.

Seeing some of the activity here, and after putting some thought on my original ideas, I still stick to some of what I said in the past. For one, I think we'd likely get a caster definitely, but also either a scouting or a ranged job, but I'm still leaning towards scouting, since we got dancer fairly recently.

As for what some of the ideas for jobs are, they're as follows:

Caster: Either Geomancer, or maybe even Seer. Undoubtedly Geomancer to me would be a bit more interesting since we can perhaps start playing with the idea of a more melee-focused mage. Whether they pull from the bell or gauntlet user or even introduce something like an eastern rosary, it would be nice to see it use a phase of non-aspected magicks, and use its resources to aspect to wind, water and earth by using geomantic invocations, perhaps even becoming mid or long range at that point for a while. (although I'd still be fine with a fully melee one with maybe some interesting AoEs). As for the Seer, I just see it as an interesting alternative to follow Krile more, as well as update her costume into the Seer's white and pink outfit.

Scouting: I'm sticking pretty firmly with the idea of a whip user scouting class, in the form of Puppetmaster, where we'd see it use the whip to get up close and smack the enemy and jump back to summon a mammet to fight in its stead, then using the whip at mid-range at that point while the mammet takes the front. It's an interesting spin on both machinist and red mage.

Healing: Chemist is obviously one that's in everyone's mind, but personally, I'd like to see it where you had buttons like the jutsu signs of the Ninja, except this time, it's ingredients. I'd like to see something between 4~6 ingredients, maybe the 2 last ones come at a later time, and combined they can create damaging or healing effects, single or AoE effects, and perhaps some buffs like shield or regen, and depending on how you combine them, you can then use the Throw command to throw the resulting potion at either your allies or the enemies. Aside from that, I'd also like to see Oracle, using an ink brush to inscribe signets and use "Ying Yang" magic to apply both buffs and debuffs at the same time, but that's more of a raw idea that currently doesn't fit as much the xiv meta.

Ranged: I'd like to see Musketeer perhaps, albeit double pistols don't seem feasible with the current model of how weapons work in XIV, but we do already have the guild in Limsa. :P Might as well make use of it.

Tank: I'd like to maybe see Cannoneer, where they focus on shooting enemies up-close with explosives, and have some AoE casting phases with cannon balls, or perhaps even turning their cannon into some kind of flail. (Or have it where it's a magitek hammer like Nero, and have it blast explosives from its barrel from time to time.)

Lastly, I also like the idea of Mime being a min-maxing limited job where it's essentially your "amaro mount reward" but better, for leveling up all the jobs to max, to gain their skills in a singular job that you can mix and match skills and do funny things in duties. Essentially the Mime would get skills as you level other jobs, rather than on its own, and those skills you gained would all be able to be set up in the Mime's kit, for them to do challenge modes much like the Blue Mage. So say you get x skill in white mage at level 30, you'd have to be a level 30 mime and level 30 white mage to get that skill. But the end goal would be to have most, if not all skills from all jobs to just try out whacky builds on a limited mode of play.

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Originally Posted by viola_vilgrantz

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You say that we got Dancer fairly recently but Reaper is a lot more recent. I highly doubt that SE will make a 6th melee at this point in time.

A ranged with a Caster seems the most probable combination will we get. Simply because SGE is just out, so no healer. No tank, Square Enix said a while ago that they don't want to add more for now because they don't know how to balance them.

Now into your idea.

I highly doubt that Geomancer will be a thing. YoshiP said that he want "original" class. and Geomancer will not be original in the current set. Water Wind and Earth are used by the Conjurer (Which evolve into WHM after lvl 30) and will be quite redondant. A Seer might be something else and maybe worth to dive into it since i don't know any MMO having something remotely close to that.

For the Scouting part. Even if I doubt that we will have a new melee anytime soon, we still have the stuff from the ninja to share. Which ultimately guides us towards a "Dexterity" based job. A puppet master can be a thing, even if I tend more on a double-blade class, aka Zidane from FF9 (Or a Cao Pi from DW8).

On healers, nothing to say, you came up with some great idea, and having a "Physical" healer can be quite knew (Because potion aren't magical !)

For the ranged, you mean Corsair, not Musketeer. In the past, it was prepared for that but was discarded as the Machinist come up to the scene. Sadly, there is very little chance that we see anything like soon.

And on Tank, Ok that's completely new, but not really logical. I've seen in a really old MMO something using a cannon to attack from a distance, but he was squishy as hell. Cannon are meant to be used from a distance not from Melee Range and don't have any mobility. If you were to add the cannon onto a weapon, this will be like a sibling to gunbreaker which got a Gunblade (So that's basically the same things)

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

You say that we got Dancer fairly recently but Reaper is a lot more recent. I highly doubt that SE will make a 6th melee at this point in time.

A ranged with a Caster seems the most probable combination will we get. Simply because SGE is just out, so no healer. No tank, Square Enix said a while ago that they don't want to add more for now because they don't know how to balance them.

Now into your idea.

I highly doubt that Geomancer will be a thing. YoshiP said that he want "original" class. and Geomancer will not be original in the current set. Water Wind and Earth are used by the Conjurer (Which evolve into WHM after lvl 30) and will be quite redondant. A Seer might be something else and maybe worth to dive into it since i don't know any MMO having something remotely close to that.

For the Scouting part. Even if I doubt that we will have a new melee anytime soon, we still have the stuff from the ninja to share. Which ultimately guides us towards a "Dexterity" based job. A puppet master can be a thing, even if I tend more on a double-blade class, aka Zidane from FF9 (Or a Cao Pi from DW8).

On healers, nothing to say, you came up with some great idea, and having a "Physical" healer can be quite knew (Because potion aren't magical !)

For the ranged, you mean Corsair, not Musketeer. In the past, it was prepared for that but was discarded as the Machinist come up to the scene. Sadly, there is very little chance that we see anything like soon.

And on Tank, Ok that's completely new, but not really logical. I've seen in a really old MMO something using a cannon to attack from a distance, but he was squishy as hell. Cannon are meant to be used from a distance not from Melee Range and don't have any mobility. If you were to add the cannon onto a weapon, this will be like a sibling to gunbreaker which got a Gunblade (So that's basically the same things)

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I've been taking scouting more as its own thing, not as "one more melee" since reaper was very much added for being a second maiming job. As for the other jobs, they are more far-distance ideas, as I still believe the first to come will be a caster and a scouting job. The others wouldn't come anytime soon and are just far-off ideas. And yes, corsairs actually became musketeers as far as I understand it in lore after pirates became more of a thing of the past. As for Yoshi-P wanting more unique jobs, sure. But Geomancers have been slowly established in the lore ever since stormblood, I don't see why not do them when most of the fandom wants it. I'm basing most of my logic on patterns, really. Also for the most part I'm not just pulling from FF lore for ideas, but I'm also just thinking beyond "the devs said this or that" and just trying to come up with interesting, albeit fitting to our current mechanics, ideas since they also often say "they're running out of ideas for jobs". Which is kind of silly to begin with.

Also I suppose something I was remiss to mention is that I think cannoneer would be a cool Job to experiment with that hammer Nero has, for instance. Having a hammer that can blast explosives, rather than an actual cannon.

Just gonna repost this from another thread.

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Originally Posted by Mugear_bahamut

There are currently:

4 Tanks: 2 MT 2 OT
4 Healers: 2 Pure 2 Barrier
5 Melee: 2 Striking 2 Maiming 1 Scouting
3 Ranged: 2 Support 1 Selfish
4 Casters: 2 Crit-based 2 SpS-based(One is limited)

There are at least 5 more expansions in XIV’s main story.
They also have a pattern of adding a healer or tank at intervals.
If you think of them pairing a DPS with a Healer or Tank, it would go like this:

(The DPS slots are just examples according to their released order up until now)

7.0 OT Tank, Scouting
8.0 Pure Healer, Striking
9.0 MT Tank, Selfish Ranged
10.0 Barrier Healer, Maiming
11.0 Scouting, Blue Mage is a normal Job(Assuming it’s the Whalaqee expansion)

We end up with:

6 Tanks: 3 MT 3 OT
6 Healers: 3 Pure 3 Barrier
9 Melee: 3 Striking 3 Maiming 3 Scouting
4 Ranged: 2 Support 2 Selfish
4 Casters: 2 Crit-based 2 SpS-based


Assuming they DON'T make up a new job but instead copy from past FF games, or at least the motifs/name,
and also assuming Limited Jobs take up slots whether they may or may not become real jobs in the future, here are my predictions:

7.0 OT Tank: Judge(uses warhammer) , Scouting: Geomancer(bells, because of player request probably, can use elemental magic but without the mudra)
8.0 Pure Healer: Green Mage(rackets, the new DoT mage but a healer, give them like 8 dots then execute actions like "Fester", no oGCD healing), Striking: Viking(dual axe, relies on fast paced 2-button combos kinda like RDM, but Melee)
9.0 MT Tank: Puppetmaster(uses garlean technology and smashes stuff with giant spanner), Selfish Ranged: Cannoneer(dispenses traps and attacks with cannons, also has an RNG base like Corsair )
10.0 Barrier Healer: Chemist(potion gun, finally? Buff/debuff with potions, a much needed AST-type shield healer) , Maiming: Rune Fencer(dual swords, maiming focuses on charging their resource and go into enhanced phase)
11.0 Scouting: Beastmaster(whips, Pokemon style) , SpS-based Caster: Blue Mage(in its ultimate non-hindered form, give us that Shockwave Pulsar LB3 YoshiP)

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Also my Japanese post(with pictures) so you can sort of imagine them:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...19#post6093519

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It's 3 caster in reality, Blue mage doesn't count because he's in a world of it's own.

Let's go for a little check of the rest :

7.0 :

Judge with a warhammer could happen, warhammer was asked for ages. But the most known Judge is Gabranth and he wear dual sword. So I think Judge can be a thing, but maybe not as a tank.

Geomancer and Scouting, I'm sorry but that is clearly not compatible. Geomancer, as the name induces, is more related to a caster. I highly doubt that you will smash the face of a world destroying entity with some Bell, doesn't really seems effective for me. Also Geomancer, while being mentionned through AST story quest may not be a thing. Square Enix expressed their wish to create unique classes and not some already seen in other FF.

8.0 :

Green mage as a pure healer ? Dude, Green mage cast barrier and shield. Why would it be a Pure healer ? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Read the green mage description and spells that he has on other FF. It's mainly a support with protection. "Shield" was always green magic.

Description of a green mage :

"As the name suggest, Green Mages specialize in Green Magicks/Magics, which are a school of spells that specialize in buffing allies and debuffing enemies. Spells often associated with Green Mages are Protect, Blind, and the Bar-Spells."

As for the Viking you mentionned, More dual wield class wouldn't be a risk to take, because people want more dual wield class. But Viking, I don't know how they can introduce that at all. Also, this is in term of design is really close to the Warrior how is kinda our Barbarian.

9.0 :

Puppetmaster as a MT ? I don't even know how you'd be able to protect yourself with this. Not many people will see this as a tank...

Selfish Ranged : Cannoneer ? We already have one. It's called a Machinist and he already got his fair amount of heavy weaponry. Putting a cannoneer into the game will kinda feel redundant.

10.0 :

Chemist as a Barrier healer. Come on, be serious... What will he use to shield people ? Skin lotion ? Their isn't a single item in the game that create a Shield, that would make no sense. But as a pure healer, creating cloud of healing, yeah that I can definitely see as a class.

Rune Fencer : Another class really asked for. I can't even remember the number of time i've seen people asking for this. If Judge isn't a thing, then Double sword for him may be a good choise.

11.0 :

Beastmaster : Often people tend to say that it would be a "limited" job. I wonder what kind of kit you can have with this one. Also scouting on this make quite the sense because you need strenght to wield a whip, but you need to be agile.

Blue mage : Will never be a full job, they created it this way, and this isn't gonna change.

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Seems like you’re just trying to counter anything that goes against your wishlist, but I’ll take my time to dive in a bit more, since it’s really obvious you didn’t try to understand why I chose these concepts.

Judge: You just want a Gabranth in FF14. People have always requested for a hammer tank, and btw Garlean armor is based on FF12 so in reality, Nero’s design could be the base for Judge. Also, Judge makes me think of a judge’s mallet, so that checks out.

Geomancer: Scouting doesn’t necessarily mean Ninja-like. From my perspective, it’s a job that uses a ton of mid to long range attacks, hence Ranged DPS’s Dexterity stat. Geomancer fits Scouting well because it’s supposed to be able to control the elements(long-ranged), usually in its vicinity(short/mid-ranged), but it doesn’t scream “caster” to me.

Green Mage: It can be interchangeable with Chemist, but it sounds more like a Pure Healer than Chemist to me(I’ll get into Chemist later on). My concept for these two healers is “ more time healing than DPS” as people have requested for more busy/complex healing jobs.

Viking: This is just really based on Red Mage’s dualcast, but it seems the most fitting for a high pace Striking job. Wouldn’t be surprised if this doesn’t make it because a lot of themes are Warrior-like.

Puppetmaster: bruh, they were like one of the best solo-tanks in FF11. Check the link in my post, which you probably didn’t read, for more details.

Cannoneer: It’s a concept that could differentiate a hexagun-user from Machinist. Yeah, MCH has guns and gizmos, but do they have a cannon, do they have RNG? No.

Chemist: Interchangeable with Green Mage as mentioned, but the concept here, which I failed to elaborate, is weak consecutive heals(think gatling gun) for busy healing. Sounds better as Pure than Barrier. Also Stormblood AST-style mixing or mudra system for buffs/debuffs. We already have a Pure Healer with buffs so Chemist would be better as Barrier. How to make shields? Sage never was a barrier healer too. Sage was a stronger WHM in past games, but they were able to create a Barrier Healer out of it.

Rune Fencer: You seem to like this one so less explaining. Spellblade gets requested a lot, but there are already a ton of sword jobs, so to differentiate it, dual blades. DRG and RPR both have a “red phase” and their AoEs are different. DRG is mostly lines, RPR cones, so RUN would probably be circular, like other sword jobs. Also it should be able to cast elemental or rune magic in this phase, but with cast time.

Beastmaster: You also agree with this one, but I will elaborate. I explained that Scouting uses lots of mid to long ranged attacks. In this case, the whip is for short to mid ranged attacks, while pets are equivalent to Ninja and Geomancer’s long ranged elemental attacks. I don’t try to use limited job as a concept in this post because, trust me I tried and people despise the idea. Instead the pet collecting/pokemon can be side content for the job while the main whip abilities are the same as other jobs.

Blue Mage: This doesn’t mean that it becomes a regular job that levels to gain abilities. It means that it’s finally able to use all the expansions’ skills and can be used in other content the same as other jobs. If the main story is really ending in 11.0, this would be a good time to let a broken job access the main content.

I've said it before in another thread but I'd really like a Mystic Knight spellblade enspeller tank or DPS that imbues their sword with Enfire, Enblizzard and Enthunder elements as part of their rotation. RDM focuses on mostly ranged with some melee, I want these guys to focus on mostly melee with some range.

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I've said it before in another thread but I'd really like a Mystic Knight spellblade enspeller tank or DPS that imbues their sword with Enfire, Enblizzard and Enthunder elements as part of their rotation. RDM focuses on mostly ranged with some melee, I want these guys to focus on mostly melee with some range.

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If we were going to receive Mystic Knight, I would like to see it more specifically as a Melee that uses a whip sword inspired by Seven from FF Type-0. Seven uses various magical attacks with her whip sword including your Enfire/Enblizzard/Enthunder example, as well as a few others. She also has a ranged ability unique to her that would be fitting for her ranged uptime button. It's also a very flashy and aesthetically unique take on the Mystic Knight, and I don't really see a whip being usable for any other job concept.

I'm with Mug, limited jobs from this point forward should be able to do the main story, even if it is solo. Why they cant makes no sense.

Also, PUP can serve as a tank. Many BST subconsciously tanked in XI as-well.

Geomancers man.

Please give me geomancer and I'll be a happy camper.

Also, I would be mighty interested in seeing beastmaster somehow but perhaps they would think it looks too much like summoner soooo... (Althought I can imagine a ton of ways it would be different).

Next on their itinerary is caster DPS, followed by (presumably) a new physical DPS job since they just went through the effort to balance out tanks last expansion with two "main tanks" and two "offtanks".

If I had to wager a guess, the best bet for caster DPS would be a bell-wielding Geomancer. Since Fluid Aura got removed, presently the only job capable of using any kind of Water-based attack is NIN, and with WHM's shift towards exclusively Holy magics (and some supportive elemental effects like Aquaveil or Thin Air), there's plenty of room for a new caster who can utilize classic spells like Quake, Tornado and Flood. It could be cool to see a job with, for instance, a cooldown that groups enemies for easy AoE in PvE, and other supportive effects like buff zones, which were part of the job's implementation in 11.
Perhaps we could see things like Channeled damage effects, similar to MCH's Flamethrower? It would make sense for the weakness of a Geomancer to have to be to "stand their ground", so to speak, and we already have two casters with a shocking amount of free mobility, while this would make its playstyle unique from Black Mage as a burst caster.
"But what about Kyokuho?" Misconception. The AST questline states Geomancy and Astromancy are two sides of the same coin, but that's as much as saying Paladins and Dark Knights are; still fundamentally opposite takes on similar principles. Kyokuho may utilize some Conjury-based attacks in the AST questline, but those could be considered placeholders (after all, Alisaie fought like a GLD before RDM dropped, as did Thancred before ROG), and there other other Geomancers in Swallow's Compass and Heaven-on-High that use completely original spells and means of attack.

Second-best bet would be Time Mage as some sort of DoT job -- applying DoTs that induce procs, then using spells and effects to speed them up for more procs, for instance -- but aside from my own belief that Astrologian should be considered this game's take on Time Mage already (given Gravity, regen, Lightspeed, etc), the shift away from DoTs on jobs like SMN is likely intentional on the devs' part, as they've complained before about DoTs. We've seen before that enemies in Alliance raids can only hold so many debuffs at one time, and according to interviews, the devs believe players find DoTs to be confusing or tedious to manage, and so try to avoid them where possible.

Physical DPS though... Hmm.

On the one hand, a Ranged DPS would probably be the most obvious choice. Originally my top pick for this would have been some kind of whip-wielding Beastmaster job, but Bozja dashed my hopes of that.
So now, my top pick would either have to be someone with dual pistols like Merlwyb (perhaps even a gambler type), or a Puppetmaster (Mammetmaster?) whose skills all "pull strings" on their minion for synchronous attack, following the tradition of characters who use dolls to attack.
Although, I did previously have a proposal to have a Chemist as a supportive ranged DPS who throws potions like grenades. After all, many of the items Chemists can play with in previous games are damaging items, and most of Rikku's Overdrives fall into the same category. Considering the devs have attempted and failed to implement Chemist as the new healer twice now, it might be time to consider it for other roles.

On the other hand though, RPR was pushed forward because the devs wanted a new melee job who could share DRG gear. Right now, NIN is in the same boat.
Of course, I would have much preferred that Reaper actually share Ninja gear since it's a leather-wearing assassin who emphasizes mobility, and instead had DRG (who has the heaviest armor among melee) share gear with some kind of Magic Knight job with Spellblade, various En-element skills, and Ravager-like element-infused attacks. But, we're past the point of arguing that now.
Although, a similar principle could probably be applied to another job provided it has a suitable weapon. Someone suggested taking a page out of Type-0's book and introducing Whipblades, which could be a neat change of pace.

If we take a look at unused weapon categories from Type-0, we have a few interesting options:

1. Ace's Cards. You could argue AST, but I find that justification very thin because AST doesn't use their cards as weapons outside of their dinky auto-attack. Ace is also a magically-oriented character, so introducing "Gambler" as a caster influenced by his design is a light possibility.
2. Deuce's Flute. The difference between BRD and Deuce is that Deuce uses music, so introducing a dedicated musical caster is also a slight possibility, though I'd chalk that up as more unlikely due to BRD being implied to use music even though they barely do.
3. Cinque's Mace. Could be a direction for a tank and one we already see in a way with Gaia. I wouldn't put it passed the future of the game to make Gaia a main character as well to promote the job whenever we resolve the issue of crossing over to other reflections, something that's being heavily foreshadowed. I see this more as an 8.0 thing perhaps though personally, but we'll have to see.
4. Seven's Whipblade. As mentioned previously, I feel like this is the way the would introduce Mystic Knight if we were to ever see it. I'm not entirely sure if this fits the "Scouting" gear aesthetic, but it's unexplored territory, so they could kinda spin it however they want.
5. Machina's Rapiers. Something that could potentially be described as "Dual Fencer" or something to that nature gives me strong "Scouting" vibes actually. It's hard to say genuinely how plausible this theory is, but it does fit the mold fairly well.

There are also a few other places within final fantasy to pull inspiration from. Geomancer has been a hot topic since Stormblood really. It's painted as a healer, but that's not to say there couldn't be offshoots that use it offensively as a caster DPS, or even as a tank. Leading up to Shadowbringers, Tank GEO was a dark horse theory. Beastmaster has also been discussed. While it gives off heavy limited energy, I think most people don't want to see another limited job, and I think there are plenty of ways to modernize the concept in a more structured way. I've mentioned before taking inspiration from Rinoa in Dissidia NT for example as a physical ranged, or even just having the pet be your weapon like X-2's trainer dressphere. Perhaps the NPC we learn from is Yojimbo and we find our own Kogoro somewhere to fight alongside like Yuna does as a Trainer. Puppetmaster I find also has a lot of ways it could be interpreted as not the same as its FFXI itteration, using the puppet as your weapon either in a more mechanical way or perhaps even a kabuki way as a Tank. Then there's also Pictomancer, aka Relm from FFVI using a large paintbrush as a caster DPS. Chemist/Apothecary has already been attempted twice as a healer. Who knows if they'll try a 3rd time.

That said, they've also talked about wanting to branch beyond the traditional FF job roots, so its possible these ideas might not come into fruition in FFXIV, or most of them might not. A growing theory for the caster DPS is Onmyoji, something very lightly explored in Final Fantasy history in Tactics as the "Mystic." Using paper talismans--Ofuda as weapons. As for unused fantasy weapons that might fit into the "Scouting" gear set... There's the option to have a giant ring a la Tira in Soul Calibur, one large melee ring rather than DNC's chakrams. As silly as it sounds, Yo-yos appear commonly enough as a weapon category in japanese games. Not entirely sure how confident I'd be in SE going for that angle, but they could market it as the Juggler from Tactics, not unlike how SGE was reimagined. Nunchaku also could fit into that category fairly easily. I'd say a more traditional fencer could as well, but I think RDM has stolen that spotlight even if its actual fencing is very limited.

At this point, the only Caster I want is one where you can choose the Elemental aspect of your kit, so that way, you can be a full Blizzard mage, thunder Mage, or hell a water mage. I'd give them a Crystal orb or something of the sort for their weapon, something non-intrusive but still adding a conduit for the casting effects.

As for Scouting, I got an Idea for Thief: A single-handed Dagger that uses steal to build charges on 'tools' by 'stealing' them from enemies. The Tools themselves make the most of the Thief OGCDs. Such as a rope knife for engagement and a smoke bomb for disengaging. still workshopping this Idea as well as the caster one, but I like these concepts, barebones though they may be.

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As for Scouting, I got an Idea for Thief: A single-handed Dagger that uses steal to build charges on 'tools' by 'stealing' them from enemies. The Tools themselves make the most of the Thief OGCDs. Such as a rope knife for engagement and a smoke bomb for disengaging. still workshopping this Idea as well as the caster one, but I like these concepts, barebones though they may be.

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I'd love a Thief as I gravitate toward dex and light armour in every game but I can't see it happening. We already have a class that's basically Thief and Y to the P already said that the WoL isn't allowed to have a job that's perceived negatively (which makes DRK and RPR a quite questionable addition lol). Maybe their look on things has changed.

My money is on one new job in 7.0. Mainly, because they already struggle enough with the existing ones (and the reworks might as well be new jobs). It sure as hell won't be another tank or healer. Both roles are so samey already. Always feels to me they ran out of ideas a while ago what with the axing of pretty much all common RPG elements in favour of DPS and DPS only.

If I'd have to bet I'd say a caster. An 'original' one. A good way of sidestepping accusations of butchering one's favourite FF job, but also disappointing for an FF enjoyer like me.

Only time will tell.

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I'd love a Thief as I gravitate toward dex and light armour in every game but I can't see it happening. We already have a class that's basically Thief and Y to the P already said that the WoL isn't allowed to have a job that's perceived negatively (which makes DRK and RPR a quite questionable addition lol). Maybe their look on things has changed.

If I'd have to bet I'd say a caster. An 'original' one. A good way of sidestepping accusations of butchering one's favourite FF job, but also disappointing for an FF enjoyer like me.

Only time will tell.

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Well in all honesty Summoner would also be seen as a Negative given how The art was perceived throughout the entirety of this storyline, Hells I main Summoner So some conversations (there's one in early HW, in particular, that had me say "U~h~ '>>") that makes me question that mentality. Though as you said their mentality may have changed especially with the inclusion of Reaper which is basically us going Pseudo Villan in the eyes of the general population of Ethyrus.

And I'm hoping for something like what I mentioned for Caster as an 'original' caster, given how Elemental attributes are Aesthetic anyways since Elemental Weakness/resistance is not in the game, and outside of Mechanic-based effects they may as well be just different shapes of Ruin, I honestly don't see any reason why a caster that can make their spells be whatever element they desire (as the effects of each spell would be the same regardless) could still be worked into the current design mentality for casters while still being a fully 'unique' job. I still think the Crystal ball (or Sphere) would be a good weapon as it's a typical Foci for mages in many games and is even a weapon in FF (though to my knowledge it's only ever appeared in the Dissidia series as Kujas Weapon, though he uses 2 or more depending on the game, this caster would only use one) Any other mechanics for this caster job is something I'm still thinking of outside of the typical spell archetypes we currently see in game.

On the topic of "Immoral" jobs, thief is a literal real-world crime. DRK using the element of darkness is not an inherently bad thing. It's just one of the 8 elements. RPR meanwhile is manipulating their 13th reflection as an avatar of themselves. One can only be a SMN if they have defeated primals previously and are able to create pure manifestations of those primals using their own essence that has been marked by the defeated primals, thus not the same as traditional summoning which can temper.

I think the key difference is in the name of the job. Nothing in the name "Dark Knight" "Reaper" or "Summoner" are inherently negative, but being able to become a "Thief" immediately sets a conflicting precedence in the narrative they want for the WoL. I understand wanting it as its one of the original Final Fantasy jobs, but Thief and Necromancer are the two most dead-in-the-water jobs. It's always possible Yoshida could change his mind, of course. But he's stood firm on this for many years now.

Only time will tell on that aspect. Though as far as names and the lore surrounding it goes, I'm going to need to think of something other than thief if the name and all that comes with that is the key issue...

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I'd love a Thief as I gravitate toward dex and light armour in every game but I can't see it happening. We already have a class that's basically Thief and Y to the P already said that the WoL isn't allowed to have a job that's perceived negatively (which makes DRK and RPR a quite questionable addition lol). Maybe their look on things has changed.

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On the topic of "Immoral" jobs, thief is a literal real-world crime. DRK using the element of darkness is not an inherently bad thing. It's just one of the 8 elements. RPR meanwhile is manipulating their 13th reflection as an avatar of themselves. One can only be a SMN if they have defeated primals previously and are able to create pure manifestations of those primals using their own essence that has been marked by the defeated primals, thus not the same as traditional summoning which can temper.

I think the key difference is in the name of the job. Nothing in the name "Dark Knight" "Reaper" or "Summoner" are inherently negative, but being able to become a "Thief" immediately sets a conflicting precedence in the narrative they want for the WoL. I understand wanting it as its one of the original Final Fantasy jobs, but Thief and Necromancer are the two most dead-in-the-water jobs. It's always possible Yoshida could change his mind, of course. But he's stood firm on this for many years now.

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The issue isn't necessarily that "thievery is a real world crime" (after all, being an assassin is too, and witchcraft was once upon a time), so much as the connotations.

There's no heroic meaning to being called a "Thief". Would be a hard sell for the people of Eorzea to look up to the Warrior of Light if they were accused of being a thief. You can't call yourself a Thief as a job title and weasel around the fact that requires you to steal things, even if you somehow have a fighting style tied to that concept.

By contrast, a "black knight" is an antiquated term for a knight who serves no king or master, akin to a ronin. A "reaper" is just someone who wields a scythe and collects a harvest. Okay they both use dark-elemental magic and Reapers summon Voidsent; neither act is unheard of among Ul'dahn Thaumaturges. People might take more issue with Reaper's origins as an order of assassins, but since the WoL hasn't actually participated in any assassinations, that's not on our conscience.
And in Eorzea, summoning of arcane entities in general isn't a malpractice -- Arcanists and Sharlayan mages do that all the time -- it's the specific summoning of Primals who can Temper people and drain the land's aether that will get you shot at 100 paces by Merlwyb.

Besides, Thief's job fantasy is largely fulfilled by Rogue, minus a few acts of pick-pocketing and burglary.

Well said. Now I'm thinking of the other impossibility: for them to make the 2.0 Classes into Proper Jobs. and I say impossibility as the main argument I hear (and one I understand if true) is the whole Balancing aspect of it as it would add 2 Tanks, a Healer, and (at least) 5 DPS jobs which would no doubt be a nightmare for the Dev team. but it is an impossibility that I still dream of nonetheless...

Once upon a time, when BLU was leaked and 'Gunblade user' was leaked, I had an idea of a tank that used a suit of Magitek, and 'analysed' enemy attack patterns to counter with simulations created from hardlight projections. Owing to it's heavy use of ceruleum as a power source instead of aether, I referred to it in my mind as Cerulean Knight, referring both to the blue of the ceruleum fuel, and the Blue Magic it was ironically mimicking. It was a Tank, for any avoidance of doubt, and it'd have had Runic as a cooldown, don't worry.

Since then, I've changed to a new pie-in-the-sky idea, this time it's a Scouting class (though it could still be a tank I guess), with a twist. It'd have a 1h beam saber (think Travis from No more Heroes, but without that 'charging animation' lmao) and a laser pistol, but that would not be it's weapon. They wouldn't change in appearance when you got a new upgrade, either. No, this class's weapon is what I'll refer to as an Aethercore, a power source that is embedded in a belt. Now that Belts are no longer an actual 'slot' on the character sheet, I thought, why not let my old Uni days catch up to me, and go all out with a Kamen Rider themed class? It'd play somewhat similar to Reaper, with a burst phase that involves a transformation, but this is where it gets more interesting, I think:

The form you take while you 'Henshin' is dictated by your equipped Aethercore. Your entire 'Rider form' is the weapon!

If you've ever seen Kamen Rider, you know not only the belts look different, the Rider suits themselves are vastly different, with completely different themes. While it might sound kinda 'meh' to only be able to see the difference to your appearance that new Aethercore makes while you're in 'Henshin' phase, please consider how damn cool you're gonna look with a TEA themed suit, or a UCOB one with glowing wings behind you. Dyes would also allow for a lot of expression, several of the Riders have alternate forms correlating to the fighting style that form uses, that come out are essentially the same as the base suit, but with a different color. For example, good ol' Double had two halves (hence the name), and could mix and match the two to create new combinations. Alternatively, going back further, Kuuga has a very simple design, with the color just changing depending what weapon he's using at the time.

Alternatively, instead of a 'Henshin Phase', perhaps the 'Henshin' animation would be the 'unsheathe' animation, and you're constantly suited up while in combat? However, this means you can't see the rest of your gear while in combat, only while AFKing in Limsa, which is it's own issue.

If nothing else, I feel like this might be the closest we can get to 'Use the G-Warrior in more content than just the solo instance it's in' and I love me some big robots so y'know, there it is

I had a similar Idea to that For a Mystic Knight (the rework that is, as the old variation was back when TP was still a resource) though more of a reverse Red mage that used an Athame (Ritual Dagger) as its weapon, it would use this Dagger as a focus to channel its magic turning the Athame into a Magic Blade (sword more likely) the element of the blade would be determined by the element you choose which would have distinct features for different situations, and since the ability to change elements would be it's own OGCD you could strategize as to which element best suits the current situation. as you use your attacks you'd build up your gauge, and when full you'd go into a 'Burt Mode' where you'd don a set of armor with aesthetics based on the element used at the time of burst. In this phase, you'd use your gauge as a resource for special moves that only become available during this phase. you can exit the phase early at any time by using the phase's 'ultimate' attack (like how Reapers Communio ends its burst phase) the only downside is you cannot swap elements when in your burst phase, so choose when to use it wisely. as for each element and what it does would be (still workshopping this)
Fire=Strength Buff/Block Rate Debuff
Water=Block Rate Buff/Strength Debuff
Earth=Defence, Vitality Buff/Movement Speed Debuff
Air=Movement Speed, Delay Buff/ Defence, Vitality Debuff
Lightning=Skill Speed, Direct hit, Critical Hit Buff/
Ice=TBD (like I said still working on this)
Suffice it to say each element has its uses and times when it's applicable (though if all else fails I may just make the elements an Aesthetic thing if no compromise can be found within the current Design Philosophy)

I'd still rather focus first on diversifying the jobs we have, with the support of far greater alt-job-friendliness.

Pick some 2-4 core aspects of each job and build them out.

Start with creative limitation, such as having only 14 buttons with which to make a fun job kit, and ensure the new skills add onto and kind of celebrate that earlier kit instead of just trying to patch out its integral weaknesses (for which its compensatory strengths were given) and undo whatever mechanics were put it prior (old RoE in place of positionals, Barrel Stabilizer just to undo Heat, etc.).

Who knows, we might then even be able to get jobs that actually play pretty decently even before level 70.

On a complete pipedream side, though... screw jobs as the be-all-and-end-all. Give us some manner of mix-and-matcheable paths instead, with various subcategories. BLM, for instance, might tap into Evocation and Invocation, Umbral Magics, Meta-Magics, and Ancient Magics, with Lightning and Fire as a subset of Umbral Magics, itself a subset of Evocation, etc. A NIN might use Subterfuge, Shadow, Wind, Fire, Onmyo, etc., but could draw also from neighboring paths. Subterfuge would also tie into GNB, for instance, Wind into CNJ/WHM, Fire into BLM, Onmyo into GEO, etc. Want a goddamn Fire Ninja? You can have a goddamn Fire Ninja. Wind Rogue? Have a Wind Rogue. A Ninja who specializes in Onmyo and Planar magics to form some manner of Warp Blade? So be it; it'll probably be niche as hell, especially outside of some Arcanist-Astro comp, but have at it. Rogue -> Ninja would just be a weapon type with some natural synergies, anchoring animation style and core stat scaling, and its own path of skill acquisitions, but little else constraining it. Go ham.

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My PUP concept is literally what they did with GWarrior minus the outside phase lol
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...970-からくり士をタンクに

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I'd still rather focus first on diversifying the jobs we have, with the support of far greater alt-job-friendliness.

Pick some 2-4 core aspects of each job and build them out.

Start with creative limitation, such as having only 14 buttons with which to make a fun job kit, and ensure the new skills add onto and kind of celebrate that earlier kit instead of just trying to patch out its integral weaknesses (for which its compensatory strengths were given) and undo whatever mechanics were put it prior (old RoE in place of positionals, Barrel Stabilizer just to undo Heat, etc.).

Who knows, we might then even be able to get jobs that actually play pretty decently even before level 70.

On a complete pipedream side, though... screw jobs as the be-all-and-end-all. Give us some manner of mix-and-matcheable paths instead, with various subcategories. BLM, for instance, might tap into Evocation and Invocation, Umbral Magics, Meta-Magics, and Ancient Magics, with Lightning and Fire as a subset of Umbral Magics, itself a subset of Evocation, etc. A NIN might use Subterfuge, Shadow, Wind, Fire, Onmyo, etc., but could draw also from neighboring paths. Subterfuge would also tie into GNB, for instance, Wind into CNJ/WHM, Fire into BLM, Onmyo into GEO, etc. Want a goddamn Fire Ninja? You can have a goddamn Fire Ninja. Wind Rogue? Have a Wind Rogue. A Ninja who specializes in Onmyo and Planar magics to form some manner of Warp Blade? So be it; it'll probably be niche as hell, especially outside of some Arcanist-Astro comp, but have at it. Rogue -> Ninja would just be a weapon type with some natural synergies, anchoring animation style and core stat scaling, and its own path of skill acquisitions, but little else constraining it. Go ham.

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I completely agree. Honestly, PVP has the best system thus far, as it's short and to the point, with fewer skills than you suggest, but I agree with the idea of branching out and making the jobs more unique. There will however still be 'optimal playstyles' and any other playstyle 'will' see you kicked from a raid or maybe even a party. but that's the fun of figuring this stuff out.

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My PUP concept is literally what they did with GWarrior minus the outside phase lol
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...82%AF%E3%81%AB

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Your link don't work, had to dig through your previous posts to find it, here, for anyone else curious, cos I'm interested enough to at least give it a read

To the discussion of a Mystic Knight job:

A previous discussion I once had about it ended up churning out a concept in which the Knight cycles between three different Enchantments, similar to BRD's songs on its surface albeit with more rapid transitions and the ability to exchange at will via GCDs, more like a stance system.
Attacking with Flametongue would give you Enfire, causing you to afflict the target with a stacking DoT on certain attacks; Icebrand would give you Enblizzard, causing your attacks to recover MP; Thunder Slash was a cone attack that would give you Enthunder, causing your attacks to chain to nearby enemies for reduced damage. Only one "En-" effect could be active at a time.
Then you had branching combos with skills like Liquid Steel, Gale Cut and Gaia Blade that dealt physical elemental damage -- things like Liquid Steel increasing mobility or attack range, versus Gaia Blade negating positionals -- whose effects would be further altered by the ongoing enchantment.
Completing a combo would give you an effect to make your next spell an instant cast, with a small selection of options like Spark for single-target or Banish/Alterna for AoE. Maybe toss in Double/Triple as a cooldown, or some finisher you charge over multiple combos that acts like Alisaie's Blade of Light.
Round this out with Warp Strike as a gap closer (based on FF15), Runic as a Riddle of Earth/Third Eye/Shade Shift personal defense (based on classic versions like Celes'), NulMagic/Shell or some debuffing strike as a raid support, and an LB based on something like Omnislash, Army of One or Ars Arcanum.

Of course this was without accounting for what kind of weapon the job would get. If you gave it a Whip-blade... well the LB would probably have to be swapped to something more fitting (though a whip-blade could probably still work for Army of One, if you swap the bullet shots for whip strikes), but there's a lot more you can play around with in the combo, especially if it can swap between whip and sword modes like Garland's weapon in Dissidia (or of course, Ivy from SC).
Like, you could give them a filler skill with a slightly increased range (6-10y) for mobility, to pair with longer-ranged spells that require a cast time to use at-will like RPR or PLD.
Plus you could add in animations based on characters like Seven, Quistis and Rydia.

Ultimately with the number of Spellblade-using jobs and magic-wielding swordsman protagonists throughout FF history, as well as sister and spin-off titles like Chrono Trigger or Kingdom Hearts, there's a MASSIVE pool you can pull from.
And despite complaints I've seen about having too many swordsman jobs, the only melee DPS with one is Samurai, and NONE of the existing melee feel like they complete the LB chain that Braver and Bladedance begin, unlike at least one option in every other role (PLD, WHM, BLM, BRD).

I want Blitzball as next range DPS it fits too well

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To the discussion of a Mystic Knight job:

A previous discussion I once had about it ended up churning out a concept in which the Knight cycles between three different Enchantments, similar to BRD's songs on its surface albeit with more rapid transitions and the ability to exchange at will via GCDs, more like a stance system.
Attacking with Flametongue would give you Enfire, causing you to afflict the target with a stacking DoT on certain attacks; Icebrand would give you Enblizzard, causing your attacks to recover MP; Thunder Slash was a cone attack that would give you Enthunder, causing your attacks to chain to nearby enemies for reduced damage. Only one "En-" effect could be active at a time.
Then you had branching combos with skills like Liquid Steel, Gale Cut and Gaia Blade that dealt physical elemental damage -- things like Liquid Steel increasing mobility or attack range, versus Gaia Blade negating positionals -- whose effects would be further altered by the ongoing enchantment.
Completing a combo would give you an effect to make your next spell an instant cast, with a small selection of options like Spark for single-target or Banish/Alterna for AoE. Maybe toss in Double/Triple as a cooldown, or some finisher you charge over multiple combos that acts like Alisaie's Blade of Light.
Round this out with Warp Strike as a gap closer (based on FF15), Runic as a Riddle of Earth/Third Eye/Shade Shift personal defense (based on classic versions like Celes'), NulMagic/Shell or some debuffing strike as a raid support, and an LB based on something like Omnislash, Army of One or Ars Arcanum.

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I wonder if a Mixture of our Ideas could work... because I do like the Idea of the Mystic Knight using the Athame (a dagger that has roots in magical use) as a foci to create an Aetherial blade of different elements. plus I can see this blad acting like a whipsword as the blade itself can (in theory) change as it's not a solid blade in the traditional sense. Also going for a LB that finishes the combo, what about an Ultima (Unaspected like Ruin not Flare in terms of appearance) Omni Slash, or go for Omni Slash v5 with the different blades being different elements?

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Originally Posted by XiroGear

Also going for a LB that finishes the combo, what about an Ultima

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Deeeefinitely not -- if even Demi-Ultima was ever on the table for any job, it would be for a pure caster rather than a hybrid melee, kinda the thing about it being the ultimate magic -- and I didn't say anything about finishing the combo with an LB either.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Deeeefinitely not -- if even Demi-Ultima was ever on the table for any job, it would be for a pure caster rather than a hybrid melee, kinda the thing about it being the ultimate magic -- and I didn't say anything about finishing the combo with an LB either.

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Sorry I meant the Lb1-2 Combo mentioned, sorry for any confusion >w<' But yeah with Ultima off the Table then going for an Omnislash v5 with each blade being of a different Element would work I think :3
Edit: upon re-reading that I think I may have been thinking of another post that mentioned a continuation of the prior two Melee LBs ><'