It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

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Originally Posted by Joven

Did you miss the parts where this is entirely an optional feature that only the person using could see? It's not like OP is asking Sqeenix to remove glamours entirely, just a feature that lets someone, on their own display, turn them off. How hard is that to understand?

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And did any of your side answer how SE would make sure that people didn't take any screenshots or stream with this option on. Or how SE would implement this feature with those conditions applied.

Please don't forget we have NPCs in canon who wear the dumb animal heads too (the one that immediately comes to mind is the Custom Deliveries guy in Idyllshire.) So the game already has a strong basis for why people wear strange clothing - they're hiding from someone.

I simply assume that if someone is in a shiny neon green spotted bikini with a frog head, they are having fun and it's not my place to say how they should have fun.

Eh, I'm not opposed to the option - especially if the option is granular and you could decide for yourself if you wanted to see them in the city, overworld, or dungeons.

Personally, I'd keep the glamours running because seeing what people come up with is part of the enjoyment of the game for me. Even if it means i have to put up with the occasional Roe male in a thong and a pimp hat. XD

I had no desire to wear the wedding dress until I saw this topic. Incoming +1 big dress wearing hrothgar!

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Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia

I've played them most. Cloud, Squall, Tera, Zidane didn't spend the ENTIRE game fighting the forces of opposition in a string bikini with summer sunglasses. it makes your character look stupid. And I'd like the option to hide it. That way you can "Express yourself" all you want, but people who want a more final fantasy/serious experience don't have to look at ridiculous characters that don't make any sense.

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No the didnt well cloud did but that a different story but im gonna be honest here it would have made the game alot more interesting lol (not that it wasn't already interesting but yea lol )

If it's optional then fine whatever, but I do love how the op assumes that everyone who wants to be wearing a dress or the male bunny outfit on their dude has to be 100% trolling. Like that's part of their argument in that because a select few do so for that reason they gotta have this option. I do know awhile back someone asked the devs for a hey why can't we have I want to say it dealt with inventory where it was either more spaces or how the inventory was displayed and they were all we can't do that because the information packets would melt the servers. This too I feel would be one of those where the information packet would be too big and put too much strain onto the servers.

Also let's not go and use the older games as there are far more how is that supposed to protect people from swords or guns than people wearing proper armor. Yes in the past games they might have been wearing something more suitable to their role, but then you have Gau, Relm, Tera, Rosa who's wearing a white dress and not a robe, Setzer, Straego, Yang who doesn't wear a top. I mean I could go on. I've played every numbered FF and some of the non numbered ones like the insult that is Mystic Quest and the one for the GB that wasn't even an FF title to know that even in FF II where the battle system was closer to their original idea of something highly inspired by D&D that many are wearing silly outfits or ones that don't offer very much in the way of protection. Heck the Emperor even looks like a chick.

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Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia

So now that we have female characters tanking in string bikini's and now men in wedding dresses, it's time to adopt an option a lot of other games have: Hide Glamour. Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men in dresses. It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel of it being a final fantasy game. Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

I don't propose a limit to glamour, I just want to be able to turn off other players glamours displaying on my client. That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another topless male in a thong.

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Screw your gender norms. More women in suits. More men in dresses. You get thongtanks only from now on.

Other than development resources, I don't think a compelling argument has been made here against having this be an optional thing.

I fail to see how some people you don't know on the internet not knowing how unique you are or how dolled up your waifu is affects you or why it deserves the amount of bickering that's in this thread. If having everyone look at you to see how wonderful/sexy/funny/obnoxious you are is that important to you, then you might need some inward reflecting.

In the end, you are playing in an MMORPG. Both the scantily clad and the ridiculously outfitted are tropes as old as time in this genre of games, so you're already fighting an insanely uphill battle, as it is.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Other than development resources, I don't think a compelling argument has been made here against having this be an optional thing.

I fail to see how some people you don't know on the internet not knowing how unique you are or how dolled up your waifu is affects you or why it deserves the amount of bickering that's in this thread. If having everyone look at you to see how wonderful/sexy/funny/obnoxious you are is that important to you, then you might need some inward reflecting.

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Actually, the OPPOSITE here applies. There has really not been a good argument why development and spaghetti-code management resources needs to be spent on setting up an option that will impact all of the servers, and thus their performance, along with the consoles, just because some people are nickered about glamours that the development team have created and allowed for players access to and encouraged new ways to apply and asked for ways to improve, not remove. This is not even thinly veiled at 'I don't like men in dresses' with their later posts, and just tries to claim that ALL of the men in dresses are 'obviously trolls' and not actually players who are comfortable/happy/expressing themselves in a way they feel good about. No, they're trolls simply because others are put-off about it and thus it is 'bad'. The mascot outfits, bikiniis etc are all put in the game for players to use and thus... supported. This is all part of the MMO experience.

A friend race-changed to Viera last night from a male one and was going through their gear... flipped to one that had previously had the Valentione set on it and it looked SO BAD, I was confused... then I realized it was a mix of the YorHA and Eden set and I just was boggled. They looked HORRIBLE. That is what you want to inflict on people because y'all can't deal with society moving on. Sorry, but nah. The people who need to 'make a good case' are the ones who want to up-root and change things... inflict a massive amount of work and strain on the devs and servers... and this isn't it. It's just people being unhappy with change and offended people's tastes don't align with theirs. Oh. Well.

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Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia

So now that we have female characters tanking in string bikini's and now men in wedding dresses, it's time to adopt an option a lot of other games have: Hide Glamour. Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men in dresses. It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel of it being a final fantasy game. Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

I don't propose a limit to glamour, I just want to be able to turn off other players glamours displaying on my client. That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another topless male in a thong.

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Hide lalafells option to right? No one that small can tank something as big as titan

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Originally Posted by YatoShishi

Well then I bring up the modding argument again. So many people use mods, the glam so many people put in a lot of thought into is either way a) looking completely different on their part or b) is so broken on their screen that your character is actually naked. Yet so many people say "mods are okay because it doesnt effect the other players gameplay" and neither would do an option to hide someones glam.

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This pretty much. I'm kind of surprised there's so much push back to this topic's idea. I remember when a topic about nsfw mods came up many players expressed discomfort with their characters being displayed like that but the overall mood I got from the replies was "your character isn't you, mods don't affect you, get over it".

Resources argument I can understand. Modders aren't taking away from official dev time after all.

As a PS4 player mods aren't an option for me. If a hide glamours/replace glamours with job gear option existed I'd probably use it when doing MSQ to avoid silly animal costumes and revealing outfits from being in my cutscenes. I'd likely leave it off the rest of the time as I do like seeing what outfits players come up with in general.

Edit: Found the mod topic: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...out-of-control
"Get over it" is 3 times as popular as "it's a problem" on page 1.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

Actually, the OPPOSITE here applies. There has really not been a good argument why development and spaghetti-code management resources needs to be spent on setting up an option that will impact all of the servers, and thus their performance, along with the consoles, just because some people are nickered about glamours that the development team have created and allowed for players access to and encouraged new ways to apply and asked for ways to improve, not remove. This is not even thinly veiled at 'I don't like men in dresses' with their later posts, and just tries to claim that ALL of the men in dresses are 'obviously trolls' and not actually players who are comfortable/happy/expressing themselves in a way they feel good about. No, they're trolls simply because others are put-off about it and thus it is 'bad'. The mascot outfits, bikiniis etc are all put in the game for players to use and thus... supported. This is all part of the MMO experience.

A friend race-changed to Viera last night from a male one and was going through their gear... flipped to one that had previously had the Valentione set on it and it looked SO BAD, I was confused... then I realized it was a mix of the YorHA and Eden set and I just was boggled. They looked HORRIBLE. That is what you want to inflict on people because y'all can't deal with society moving on. Sorry, but nah. The people who need to 'make a good case' are the ones who want to up-root and change things... inflict a massive amount of work and strain on the devs and servers... and this isn't it. It's just people being unhappy with change and offended people's tastes don't align with theirs. Oh. Well.

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Moreover, it requires a certain level of arrogance to say "No, I don't like that, take it off my screen." One of the best ways to get a glimpse if how one wishes to present themselves to the community is through glamours, and the ego it takes to want to remove that is flooring.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Other than development resources, I don't think a compelling argument has been made here against having this be an optional thing.

I fail to see how some people you don't know on the internet not knowing how unique you are or how dolled up your waifu is affects you or why it deserves the amount of bickering that's in this thread. If having everyone look at you to see how wonderful/sexy/funny/obnoxious you are is that important to you, then you might need some inward reflecting.

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As I said earlier, for me at least, it's not about wanting to be noticed - it's that there are a lot of things I don't want my character to be wearing, but they would as a result of this concept.

Again, I would rather have my character turned invisible than put in an outfit I didn't pick for them.

And if you're assuming it's about dressing my "waifu" (ugh) up in skimpy outfits, it's quite the opposite. I want to avoid them.

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Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia

So now that we have female characters tanking in string bikini's and now men in wedding dresses, it's time to adopt an option a lot of other games have: Hide Glamour. Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men in dresses. It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel of it being a final fantasy game. Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

I don't propose a limit to glamour, I just want to be able to turn off other players glamours displaying on my client. That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another topless male in a thong.

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Hm, it doesn't bother me. Why?

Because I grew up in the 70s - 80s where fantasy art had women and men in the skimpiest chain "armor" that were in essence .. bikinis. Less armor = more AC apparently. I linked one of the more .. safer ... pics below. As you can see, they have no trouble fighting that beasie in a bikini!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/1d...ef72eb9c91.jpg

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

There has really not been a good argument why development and spaghetti-code management resources needs to be spent on setting up an option that will impact all of the servers, and thus their performance, along with the consoles

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No idea why people keep pulling servers into their arguments. That information is already being transmitted - you can see what gear a party member has equipped when you examine their gear. It would not be that difficult to code it to load the assets for "the gear underneath" instead of the glamour assets. And it could be done entirely client-side.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

No idea why people keep pulling servers into their arguments. That information is already being transmitted - you can see what gear a party member has equipped when you examine their gear. It would not be that difficult to code it to load the assets for "the gear underneath" instead of the glamour assets. And it could be done entirely client-side.

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Work with me here: The 'justification' here for all of this is that they don't want 'lore breaking' outfits. That they want 'immersion'. Right? Right. SO. Let's take my friend from the other night. I use this NIFTY little option and turn off these nasty little offensive glams and suddenly I'm left looking at.... YorHA dress top and Edengate pants. It looks TERRIBLE. They literally look as bad, if not worse, than a clown because of the mis-match in gear aesthetics and colour. It's not even FUNNY how bad the clashing was. There is zero way that the people who are sooooooooo concerned about their 'immersion' are going to be happy with the levelers and BiS raiders in their really really badly mis-matched gear parading around in their precious cut-scenes looking like literal clowns. IF, of course, THAT is their ACTUAL reason for all of this.

SO, the next idea was... We'll just have it put them in their Racial Starter Gear! Oh. Okay. That's something the game has to render and slap on. That's going to be resources. Sorry, that's just kind of a fact. And of course you have people going 'well, why not their class gear!' Well, that will depend on what level the class is, won't it? More resources.

Regardless, you are going to be taking time and resources and asking more from the servers that the devs, at least claim, are under enough work already. All because people are nickered about the way other people choose to dress. Wow?

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

No idea why people keep pulling servers into their arguments. That information is already being transmitted - you can see what gear a party member has equipped when you examine their gear. It would not be that difficult to code it to load the assets for "the gear underneath" instead of the glamour assets. And it could be done entirely client-side.

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They also have the benefit of looking back at how it was handled in FFXI for further inspiration.

As an aside, the amount of people not 'getting' the immersion argument is pretty troubling. Quests such as Hildibrand are acknowledged as not being everybody's cup of tea by the development team themselves and as such are locked away in their own little optional bubble.

The bulk of the game takes itself seriously. We have two lore books detailing armour and weapon lore. The vast majority of NPC's wear specific sets that fit the aesthetic of their role in their society.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Other than development resources, I don't think a compelling argument has been made here against having this be an optional thing.

I fail to see how some people you don't know on the internet not knowing how unique you are or how dolled up your waifu is affects you or why it deserves the amount of bickering that's in this thread. If having everyone look at you to see how wonderful/sexy/funny/obnoxious you are is that important to you, then you might need some inward reflecting.

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There has been plenty of compelling arguments against it. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it not "compelling," that makes you arrogant.

Furthermore what you are saying here is a baseless assumption about all kinds of different people you don't even know. People dress up in all kinds of ways for myriads of different reasons. Some people like expressing themselves, some just like making outfits, some do it for attention, some do it to look at their waifu dress up dolls. And?? This matters why?

I guarantee you people are not so full of themselves that they act as you described where they feel the need to be at the center of attention/need people to see their glamour. I like messing with glamour on my au ra because I find her cute, I think it's a fun thing to do, and I also view her as an extension of me and therefore I express myself through her. While I do like getting attention for whatever I may have glammed, it is not my sole purpose for it. In the end, it's for me, and most people are the same. If someone enjoys dressing up in meme suits because it's funny to them, that means it's for themself already, even if other reasons exist.

The only problem here is with you. The people this thread is directed at mind their own business and do what they want in the game they pay to play, but yeah apparently it's actually because everyone is a self absorbed attention seeker, totally. I can go ahead and mark this down as another pointless snide comment that adds nothing to the conversation other than insisting you let everyone know how rude and judgemental you are, the exact thing you just complained about with others "insisting everyone knows how funny and sexy they are."

It's an MMO. They provide the gear for people to freely use and create sets. A lot of us... and I do mean a HUGE amount of people, spend a lot of time creating such sets. The fact that some enjoy just playing around because 'it is a game and they CAN' is also 100% okay.

It is not ok to turn off the work of EVERYONE because you're nickered about a few, and men in dresses. Putting EVERYONE else but YOU in lvl 1 starter gear is not 'keeping with the lore' EITHER. How would that look going into the final ShB fight? Hm? Bet that would fit the Immersion perfectly?

Just accept that you live in a society and all that it brings.

It's a global game, so what constitutes as 'society' differs significantly from country to country. Furthermore, the game embraced realism to a larger degree back in the days of ARR and HW. It also initially started out with a lot of hairstyles and glamour options being gender locked. Though over time a very vocal minority began shaming the development team and threatened to quit unless the status quo changed. If people can petition for the game's glamour system to be loosened, then it's only fair that people can petition for it to be tightened. Especially if the implementation is limited to those who seek to toggle such a feature on.

Remember that glamours are just refracted light.
That bikini isn’t really a bikini. Your tank is fine.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Either this or they must lift jobs restrictions for glamour, given that their excuse for that was "wearing other jobs' glam breaks immersion".

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I for one am all for getting rid of job restrictions on glamour because if we can have tanks glamming cloth (heck one of my FC officers sometimes tanks in the maid outfit, hahahahhahhaha) or going mostly naked (not that I mind because I’ve seen some beautifully hilarious ones - shout out to “Moist Crevasse” and their Highlander male WAR in pink undies, thighboots, and anime pigtail hair when I did my first run of Praetorium XD) we can have monks and dancers in armor or whatever. Not like they’re wearing the real items anyway.

And frankly some joblocks make no sense if it’s literally the same material, so yeah.....

*grumbles about the new steampunk set not giving monks the awesome cap so I can properly live my JoJo dreams*

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

SO, the next idea was... We'll just have it put them in their Racial Starter Gear! Oh. Okay. That's something the game has to render and slap on. That's going to be resources. Sorry, that's just kind of a fact.

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Yes, but not server resources. The server already tells you what jobs/classes the party members are. That information is already transmitted. The client could be hardcoded to load the lowest-level gear a class/job can equip when glamour is disabled. Not a single byte of bandwidth would need to be wasted.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's a global game, so what constitutes as 'society' differs significantly from country to country. Furthermore, the game embraced realism to a larger degree back in the days of ARR and HW. It also initially started out with a lot of hairstyles and glamour options being gender locked. Though over time a very vocal minority began shaming the development team and threatened to quit unless the status quo changed. If people can petition for the game's glamour system to be loosened, then it's only fair that people can petition for it to be tightened. Especially if the implementation is limited to those who seek to toggle such a feature on.

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Just because it used to be a certain way at some point in time doesn't mean it has to stay that way, or that it's the correct way, or what the devs or community wants. As far as I'm aware no one asked for a funny frog suit but they made it anyway because they wanted to and no longer care about realism, especially when turning back at this point would likely cause backlash

You are asking the rights of some people to be taken away in exchange for the rights of another and that is unfair. I guarantee most people you ask about this are going to say no, I don't want that to exist because then people will see me in ugly mismatched armor. Don't know about you, but the deepshadow tank set looks awful on females and I'd hate the idea of knowing that people are going to see that, even if I never know. Since everyone here seems so intent on staring at other people in their content, I am not okay with you staring at my ugly unglamoured base gear lmao. Personally I stare at my hotbars anyway so I never notice or care about what other people are wearing

This will also not avoid people , like me, that would start wearing the actual glamour items around everywhere should this be implemented. In fact, people already do this anyway because they don't use prisms and plates. You cannot completely escape the fact other people are going to exist in your mmo and do things that compromise your ideals. Adding this feature will inevitably create more of a hassle for people that want their glamours to be seen the way they are, and now you have another group of people that are just as unhappy as you are

I don't understand why people are so caught up in what others characters are wearing. When I'm running content I barely even notice what race other players are, let alone what they're wearing.

I would rather devs not waste time on such a function when there are plenty of other issues that need addressing.

I'm just not understanding why appearing as you intended, self expression, ect is such a big deal when discussing hiding glamours but not when the discussion was about nsfw mods.
There are players (for example Iscah) who are consistent on the two issues but it seems like a lot more people are bothered by the former compared to the latter.

Is it because the former would be an official option in game as opposed to an unofficial mod?

Er... some of the pieces you glamour over actually look a whole lot worse.
Go on, try taking off all of your glamours and see if you'd be happy staying that way.

Yes this would waste resources and they are far better elsewhere... but you're also imposing your will on someone else.

Someone didn't want to wear there gear as is and so they glamoured over it (if you take a picture, a video) and their clothes are not shown glamoured in your picture you're impacting them (where as is if you don't want their showing glamour in the picture/video you just choose to make sure their not in it, thus not impacting them at all).

Seriously some people need to calm down.

Also the logic stating that leading males wear clothes (Cloud, Squall, Zidane) in general most games put clothes on guys and try to make girls as revealing as possible, in almost every case because let's face it, it can help sell games.

Lulu anyone? A good portion of the spheredressphres of X-2? Fran? Oh and their is precedence for all the guys wearing dresses with that logic as well, Cloud from VII says hi.

Oh but it's totally okay for someone to use a mod that changes the way my character looks on their screen. Yet some of you will cry when a suggestion is made to hide your disgusting glamour? Gurl bye I'm done.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Er... some of the pieces you glamour over actually look a whole lot worse.
Go on, try taking off all of your glamours and see if you'd be happy staying that way.

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This reminds me of some of the outfits in EverQuest 1+2. They looked like a box of crayons were thrown at you as they could be all different colours and styles, none of them matching. Heh.

Case in point from WoW:

http://pureawesome.net/wow/110919_boozekin.jpg

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

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If you're doing it for you, then literally nothing I said applies to you and you're not what I'm talking about. I even go around LL and Eulmore just to get glam ideas and appreciate people's outfits. I don't speak for the OP but I don't care about people who care about fashion and mind their own business and I'm not talking about them.

But if you're thong ninja #47 and I have to see your character sticking their butt out with the ninja run during the entire dungeon right in front of my camera, or I'm trying to concentrate in a trial/raid and you're wearing a moogle head and a leopard print speedo, or if you're the kind of person who leaves their character AFK in Limsa wearing uninspired scraps of clothing while dancing, some would like to have the option to turn your glamour off. If I'd rather not hear people play music I can turn performance off. If I was the type of person who didn't want to see swears I could turn the profanity filter off. If I don't want to see holy spam filling up my screen I can turn the effects off. If we don't have to put up with all that if we don't want to, I don't know why having a glamour filter is "arrogant".

But it could be that I'm just jaded after hearing someone who used to be in my FC describe how much they lust after their own character and they would AFK in the middle of the FC house doing the step dance wearing uninspired clothing that panders to the lowest common denominator and I'd rather not think about people like him again when bumping into people dressed the same with names that I'm not sure how they weren't reported yet that make me assume the worst.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

I'm just not understanding why appearing as you intended, self expression, ect is such a big deal when discussing hiding glamours but not when the discussion was about nsfw mods.
There are players (for example Iscah) who are consistent on the two issues but it seems like a lot more people are bothered by the former compared to the latter.

Is it because the former would be an official option in game as opposed to an unofficial mod?

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This is a hard question to answer, but I think part of it comes down to two things, one being that no matter what, there's always going to be people who mod their game, two being the mods already exist, so no use crying over spilt milk? Nothing to be done about it, I'm not exactly okay with my character being modified to look like something without my permission either, but whatever, I can't stop them.

I guess the main thing is we would prefer to limit who can change our appearance to a minimum rather than adding another official feature that will allow a larger group of people to do this, like PS4 users.And something about the official thing you said.

On that note I don't even know how prevalent the issue of that mod stuff is in the first place. I know there's probably some weirdos that would mod everyone to look like that or something but id hope otherwise that most people are sensible enough to keep it limited to their own characters rather than strangers. Again, idk how prevalent either of those things are, but yeah

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Originally Posted by YellowCrystarium

Oh but it's totally okay for someone to use a mod that changes the way my character looks on their screen. Yet some of you will cry when a suggestion is made to hide your disgusting glamour? Gurl bye I'm done.

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No one said mods were okay. And one is a mod, the other a system that the devs would actively have to go out of their way to develop and it would be accepting that other people get to choose what you look like no matter what. It's not a step in the right direction.

People need to worry about their own damn selves. I'm sure you've made your own disgusting glamours. So take that attitude elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

*Stares at OP's main's lodestone, where they're currently wearing a cutesy, yellow dress and Krile's hood as a PLD*
*sees they're part of what appears to be a glamour-based FC*
Something smells fishy here... >x>

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Man, after each page that I read of this thread, another two appear. Okay, let me point out:

People pay *real* money for glam items, with the expectation that people are going to see them with that appearance. And I know it would be quite immersion breaking for a player to be acting as if they were wearing formal wear, but actually appeared to be wearing mismatched heavy armour, etc.

That aside, for every questionable glamour that I see, there are (roughly) a hundred people running around with decently thought-out glams. As such, I have to agree with what someone else pointed out, which is the option to hide glams is too much burden on the servers, which I suspect would involve a terribly inefficient sorting algorithm.

Others have brought up the blacklist or profanity features as a means to argue that hiding glams is easy. However, this is a fallacy because the blacklist and profanity filter concern the *text* chat system, whereas glams involve modifications to the *graphics* rendering engine.

But in the end, this has the appearance of being an awesome troll thread. People are just losing their minds. ;)

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

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There is no difference between me and the examples of people you just listed. You don't know why thong ninja is dressed up like that, and you don't know why I dress the way I do without me telling you. Maybe I dress for myself like I said and suddenly I felt like wearing a bikini + frog head. Now it applies to me because you don't agree with what I'm wearing, right? I'm not understanding your consistency or reasoning here.

The battle effects option is there for performance reasons. Having all 24 people in an alliance raid spamming their abilities is not going to reasonably hold up on most systems. The same reason graphics settings and ability to limit how many people can render on your screen at a time; performance. The sound option is there to be there for the same reasons the rest of them are there; to cater to your experience with the game. It is not there for the sole purpose of silencing players for x reason, it is simply an option. This proposed idea, however, is not comparable to those things because it's based on what you think of other characters. It's more comparable to having the ability to mute or blacklist people, though those have more justifiable and concerning causes compared to "I don't like what someone else is wearing." Muting someone because they're harassing you? That's fine, trying to change someone's character because you don't like it? Entitlement.

I just don't trust the playerbase to not make it into a worst case. Once they open this can of worms it'll do nothing but skyrocket down fast. We already had people ask - I know they were trolling- to take lala's out the game. Now they were joking... picture a world where people legit ask SE to take out races they don't like. And yeah glamour isn't races, but do you really think this playerbase will leave it at just glamours?

I'm noticing a lot of people assuming a glamour toggle would inherently mean that you'd see the other PCs in their "mismatched clown outfits", but we already have an example of a game loading preset gear instead of the what's actually equipped/glamoured in FFXI as I previously mentioned. No you wouldn't see people in clashing gearsets but rather in racial gear or even better AF gear.

Another thing I'm noticing is the slippery slope fallacy or logical extreme argument being tossed around. Yes in theory having the option to view other PCs in preset gear may open the door to more extreme or unreasonable requests but that doesn't mean they'd be accepted or implemented. Changing gear is not on the same scope as removing races so stop saying it is, it comes off as fearmongering.

And I still don't see how what another player views affects you directly unless you were to ask and if they were to even respond, I know for a fact a lot of the popular glamour items have "alternate" looks thanks to the community but that doesn't stop me from wearing what I want cause it's not affecting me. I can't see the merit in worrying about what other people see when what matters is how my character looks to me and me only unless I'm RP'ing or something I guess.

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

I just don't trust the playerbase to not make it into a worst case. Once they open this can of worms it'll do nothing but skyrocket down fast. We already had people ask - I know they were trolling- to take lala's out the game. Now they were joking... picture a world where people legit ask SE to take out races they don't like. And yeah glamour isn't races, but do you really think this playerbase will leave it at just glamours?

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Maybe if lalafell were removed SE would free up some resources so viera/hrothgar could get proper treatment. A worthy trade if you ask me! :)

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Originally Posted by Tohe-Spidhire

Man, after each page that I read of this thread, another two appear. Okay, let me point out:

People pay *real* money for glam items, with the expectation that people are going to see them with that appearance. And I know it would be quite immersion breaking for a player to be acting as if they were wearing formal wear, but actually appeared to be wearing mismatched heavy armour, etc.

That aside, for every questionable glamour that I see, there are (roughly) a hundred people running around with decently thought-out glams. As such, I have to agree with what someone else pointed out, which is the option to hide glams is too much burden on the servers, which I suspect would involve a terribly inefficient sorting algorithm.

Others have brought up the blacklist or profanity features as a means to argue that hiding glams is easy. However, this is a fallacy because the blacklist and profanity filter concern the *text* chat system, whereas glams involve modifications to the *graphics* rendering engine.

But in the end, this has the appearance of being an awesome troll thread. People are just losing their minds. ;)

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The best part about all of this is that I think OP is a troll, but they have brought out the people who legit support this. So good on them.

Additionally, you bring up great points to why this will never be an option. Rendering gear on a per client basis is not easy, no matter what the armchair devs would like to think.