Only 1536 apartments per server?

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Originally Posted by Luxyn

Yeah I understand and I agree. No way of knowing how much they're adding right now - I just think if it's only 1,536 in 3.4 that's pretty okay, if more, all the better, who knows if that's gonna happen.

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Okay. I'm just curious; IF they only introduce 1,536 apartments per server to start, how do you think they'll implement it, given that we already know the buildings are built into the ward maps?

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Originally Posted by Febby

Okay. I'm just curious; IF they only introduce 1,536 apartments per server to start, how do you think they'll implement it, given that we already know the buildings are built into the ward maps?

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That part would be easy considering they'd just set the npc/elevator/etc that directs someone to the rooms to call that specific information up regardless of ward location.

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Originally Posted by Febby

Okay. I'm just curious; IF they only introduce 1,536 apartments per server to start, how do you think they'll implement it, given that we already know the buildings are built into the ward maps?

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Ward 1 is gonna explode!

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Originally Posted by Febby

Okay. I'm just curious; IF they only introduce 1,536 apartments per server to start, how do you think they'll implement it, given that we already know the buildings are built into the ward maps?

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We'll use the Mist as an example. I imagine the apartment building in which all 512 Mist apartments are located can be entered from any of it's various exteriors placed in each division of the Mist. But when exiting the apartment building you will choose which division you wish to go to, exactly like you do if you were to go to the Mist front gate from Lower La Noscea.

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Originally Posted by Luxyn

But when exiting the apartment building you will choose which division you wish to go to, exactly like you do if you were to go to the Mist front gate from Lower La Noscea.

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Admittedly I didn't consider that, but it still doesn't lend itself to a consistent and user-friendly experience, which is just one of many reasons to expect the buildings to be instanced just like everything else in the wards has always been. They have no reason to err so much on the side of caution now - not for the backlash it would (unfortunately) result in, and it's simply logical to assume that they'll re-use private chamber infrastructure anyway. We have next to no reason to believe they'll do otherwise.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

you traded faster Q times for no housing space

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Duty finder queues are pools of servers, not just the server you're on.

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Originally Posted by Febby

Admittedly I didn't consider that, but it still doesn't lend itself to a consistent and user-friendly experience, which is just one of many reasons to expect the buildings to be instanced just like everything else in the wards has always been. They have no reason to err so much on the side of caution now - not for the backlash it would (unfortunately) result in, and it's simply logical to assume that they'll re-use private chamber infrastructure anyway. We have next to no reason to believe they'll do otherwise.

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I agree. We'll have to wait and see. As it stand with no actual confirmation on just how many apartments will in fact be added, those who will feel the need to complain that 1,536 isn't enough be that the number we're getting are definitely complaining prematurely at the least. People are jumping the gun. Let's at least see what's actually happening before we decide to complain right? xD

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

Like you just stated, this is why i'm worried i won't be able to get an apartment all the wards on Odin are fully filled up. A lot of the people that own house there names are in red. I really hope i can get an apartment.

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I believe the green/red names mean that plot is either open for visitors, or closed for visitors.

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Originally Posted by ExKage

All the locations confirm is that the apartments are in the residential districts. It does not explicitly confirm a building per ward and sub-ward.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

That part would be easy considering they'd just set the npc/elevator/etc that directs someone to the rooms to call that specific information up regardless of ward location.

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Yeah, it's technically possible for the apartments in each ward to pull up the same list of 512 rooms to visit.

I still hope for more...

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well...it depends! There were...20k characters on Balmung?
1500 is a mere 7,5% of that and the price is easily affordable even for alts and newer players.

On the smaller servers, there are even some houses left open, so I wager for them it's overkill, but...yeah.

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more like you see one person with 5 or more homes not including the fc house they might have all because SE doesnt just make a limit of say 2 houses on one server per account and since it's a smaller server the prices are far greater then what you pay on say balmung a smaller server last i saw a small plot just buying it off the player costed about 20 to 30 mil and thats just for the small plot before actually buying it for yourself to own

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Originally Posted by Blackbird1

more like you see one person with 5 or more homes not including the fc house they might have all because SE doesnt just make a limit of say 2 houses on one server per account and since it's a smaller server the prices are far greater then what you pay on say balmung a smaller server last i saw a small plot just buying it off the player costed about 20 to 30 mil and thats just for the small plot before actually buying it for yourself to own

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20 to 30 mil?

Back when the last set of wards was added, the scalpers on Balmung were trying to sell small plots in goblet for 50mil, and other wards for 75+mil.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

20 to 30 mil?

Back when the last set of wards was added, the scalpers on Balmung were trying to sell small plots in goblet for 50mil, and other wards for 75+mil.

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well when i seen this it was that price on the smaller servers this was a long time ago wouldnt be surprise if they go for 200 mil now for small plots alone

This is a late reply, but just to confirm: the apartments are per ward (including subdivisions) and not one per country. This is confirmed by Yoshida during the recent Letter from the Producer at around 2:09:20 in the Twitch stream, and is also mentioned on the 4gamer summary of the stream which states:

このアパルトメントは，3国の冒険者居住区の各区画に1棟ずつ建ち，部屋の代金は50万ギルになるという。

The Japanese ff14wiki also clarifies:

ハウジングエリアの区画1つにつき、一棟。拡張エリアにも立つ。1棟あたり512戸。 12区＋拡張エリア＝24区。24区×三国＝72区。72×512戸＝1ワールドあたり36,864戸ということになる。

Yoshida also mentioned on the live stream that, if it wasn't enough, they could still add more (but I tend to think this will be enough for all but the absolute busiest of servers, at least for now).

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Originally Posted by polyphonica

This is a late reply, but just to confirm: the apartments are per ward (including subdivisions) and not one per country. This is confirmed by Yoshida during the recent Letter from the Producer at around 2:09:20 in the Twitch stream, and is also mentioned on the 4gamer summary of the stream which states:

このアパルトメントは，3国の冒険者居住区の各区画に1棟ずつ建ち，部屋の代金は50万ギルになるという。

The Japanese ff14wiki also clarifies:

ハウジングエリアの区画1つにつき、一棟。拡張エリアにも立つ。1棟あたり512戸。 12区＋拡張エリア＝24区。24区×三国＝72区。72×512戸＝1ワールドあたり36,864戸ということになる。

Yoshida also mentioned on the live stream that, if it wasn't enough, they could still add more (but I tend to think this will be enough for all but the absolute busiest of servers, at least for now).

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Excellent, that was the only way to do it that makes sense. The images always looked like the apartment building was in the housing wards, so it seemed obvious.

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Originally Posted by polyphonica

This is a late reply, but just to confirm: the apartments are per ward (including subdivisions) and not one per country. This is confirmed by Yoshida during the recent Letter from the Producer at around 2:09:20 in the Twitch stream, and is also mentioned on the 4gamer summary of the stream which states:

このアパルトメントは，3国の冒険者居住区の各区画に1棟ずつ建ち，部屋の代金は50万ギルになるという。

The Japanese ff14wiki also clarifies:

ハウジングエリアの区画1つにつき、一棟。拡張エリアにも立つ。1棟あたり512戸。 12区＋拡張エリア＝24区。24区×三国＝72区。72×512戸＝1ワールドあたり36,864戸ということになる。

Yoshida also mentioned on the live stream that, if it wasn't enough, they could still add more (but I tend to think this will be enough for all but the absolute busiest of servers, at least for now).

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Hahah, there will be about 3 times as many apartments as there are active players on my server. :D

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Originally Posted by myahele

So I am thinking the infrastructure/ coding was never meant for such a massive player base, so now they kinda have to make due with what they started out with.

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There's that and on top of that, doing things very much out of order and making too many mistakes. Apartments really should have came directly after FC housing. THEN FC rooms. Single player housing mixed in with FC housing really should have never been a thing either especially since the system allows multiple characters on one account to own multiple houses instead of having one house account shared. That's my biggest concern with apartments if they did or did not learn from that mistake given that apartment space will also be limited.

I'm fine with people having houses, but when the developers lock content behind houses that most people can't get into because people are buying them up just to resell them that's where I draw the line. That means I'm not getting my full experience of the game. I would love to build an airship for my FC, but I cant no houses available. I would love to grow my own garden so I can craft some of those minions that are only available to house owners. I would love to craft furniture and decorate a house. I would love to go on explorations with my airship, but I cant. So why lock content behind a limited resource?

I pay money for this game I should have access to everything in this game as long as I work for it. Things that I choose not to do like savage is my choice and the blame falls on me for not having the top weapon. When they limit the houses to a few and lock content behind it means I'm only getting 90% of the game while others get 100% because they where fortunate enough to buy a house during the rush. I cant work for house content because the Dev's fail to provide enough houses.

Can I pay SE more money to have a house reserved or should SE cut the cost of my sub because they cant provide me the full experience of the game?

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

I'm fine with people having houses, but when the developers lock content behind houses that most people can't get into because people are buying them up just to resell them that's where I draw the line. That means I'm not getting my full experience of the game. I would love to build an airship for my FC, but I cant no houses available. I would love to grow my own garden so I can craft some of those minions that are only available to house owners. I would love to craft furniture and decorate a house. I would love to go on explorations with my airship, but I cant. So why lock content behind a limited resource?

I pay money for this game I should have access to everything in this game as long as I work for it. Things that I choose not to do like savage is my choice and the blame falls on me for not having the top weapon. When they limit the houses to a few and lock content behind it means I'm only getting 90% of the game while others get 100% because they where fortunate enough to buy a house during the rush. I cant work for house content because the Dev's fail to provide enough houses.

Can I pay SE more money to have a house reserved or should SE cut the cost of my sub because they cant provide me the full experience of the game?

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Obviously a lot of this is server pop dependant, but slots open up all the time. A few weeks back our FC moved and created a brand new FC for various reasons, took maybe 2 days of scouting once the FC was a high enough tier for us to find a space.

Wow nice information. :D Finally my skeptic side did not win in this one. Now we only need to know if we can buy apartments even if we already have houses or if not.
Since there are so many apartments it would be nice to get one as another room since my small house is already at its limit X_X. But even if its possible to buy more than one apartment or even just one I will still wait some days, so that people that don't have house will surely get one.

Or would it still be bad? :( Don't want to take them away from someone that needs one but at the same time with such a high number, it should be enough?

Honestly there just needs to be rules in place in regards to housing. 1 personal house PER ACCOUNT, PER SERVER. Make access to the house account wide. (For all those "but my alt" people). This will free up some housing while also getting rid of the real estate agents we have that go around selling them.

FC houses dont count for obvious reasons.

As far as server population goes. SE needs to offer free transfers OFF the highest population servers. (and only those) for a few months. This will direct the flow a bit more to other servers. Also at the same time restrict transferring to those same high pop servers.

IMO these problems are easily fixable. Give people (read accounts) 30 days to get their crap out of their alt housing and after that 30 day mark boom, plots are open.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJointss

Honestly there just needs to be rules in place in regards to housing. 1 personal house PER ACCOUNT, PER SERVER. Make access to the house account wide. (For all those "but my alt" people).

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Making housing an even more limited and uncustomizable feature does not improve the system.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Making housing an even more limited and uncustomizable feature does not improve the system.

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how is it limited? You dont need 7 houses for you and your alts on every server. This will prevent the selling of the houses. How is it less customization?

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Originally Posted by SinisterJointss

how is it limited? You dont need 7 houses for you and your alts on every server. This will prevent the selling of the houses. How is it less customization?

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Someone might want to be a business tycoon? Were supply not so limited, and it was easily doable on one character, I'd be incline to buy additional small houses to turn them into "shops"... As it is, I have a Free Company "guild" house, a private "office" room, and a personal "home" house... Can't go buy an extra small house to convert it into a restaurant, with a café theme and retainers selling decent food outside... Can't make a weapon shop with the same idea, mostly because there is like zero furniture that facilitate that, but you get the idea...

Hope they finally fix supply with apartments... I'd like it if they could finally start work on giving us more item space to work with, and generally just improving features... Having a "Like" system would be nice, just so we can easily find well furnished open rooms, might bring people into the housing areas more to look around... Going back to the whole business tycoon idea though... I'd really like it if we could effectively have a pay to enter system, or pay for privileges... So you can make a café, and people can pay X amount and you get access to use things like the food furniture... Could let players make things like the old school Inns, play 3,000G and you can log out in this bed for bonus rested EXP! Features like that could make Housing really interesting, IMO...

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Making housing an even more limited and uncustomizable feature does not improve the system.

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It does make it more fair to all players. Especially when gameplay features are housing dependent.

As for the idea of making houses into storefronts...that's not something the system really supports.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

As for the idea of making houses into storefronts...that's not something the system really supports.

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It didn't support sharing estates either, until it did... My point was it's something they could work on, to make housing in general more interesting... For the longest time though, they've been fighting a losing battle to meet demand... Hopefully apartments can fix that and they can instead start work on adding more interesting features that everyone can enjoy...

Give us retainers indoors, and I'd be very tempted to turn my apartment (assuming I even get one) into a café... Open access to everyone, have my retainer selling food, Orchestrion playing appropriate music (T9 theme?), greeting message advertising the fact it's a café... Done... All I'd need is for them to rework the way placed retainers and the market board function slightly, and people might even stop by to purchase items... Been a long time since I've made that suggestion though, not sure I remember the ins and outs of how I'd replicate the old market wards... The idea basically amounted to people getting a discount if they bought directly from your retainer, while you get no market board tax deduction, with the market board indicating where your retainer is stationed, if they are at all... Assuming there is a market board in the lobby area, that could work quite nicely... Biggest issue was always that housing was for the few, but apartments could reverse that...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Someone might want to be a business tycoon? Were supply not so limited, and it was easily doable on one character, I'd be incline to buy additional small houses to turn them into "shops"... As it is, I have a Free Company "guild" house, a private "office" room, and a personal "home" house... Can't go buy an extra small house to convert it into a restaurant, with a café theme and retainers selling decent food outside... Can't make a weapon shop with the same idea, mostly because there is like zero furniture that facilitate that, but you get the idea...

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Sounds like trying to turn the game into something it not, How many actually people visit RP shops (w/e call them) anyways? Not trying to be mean just interested in knowing.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Making housing an even more limited and uncustomizable feature does not improve the system.

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As a player with an alt, having 1 house per account that is shared with each character just makes more sense (I mean you can already share with people on your friends list, why not characters on the same account?). I'm on a small server, I can easily earn the gil to buy another house for that alt if I wanted to (there are open plots still on Coeurl last I checked). I don't want to though. It's pointless for me to own two, and it's better and more fair for someone else to get that plot rather than have 1 account with multiple characters owning personal houses/plots.

I actually wish the apartments were more like the mog houses in FFXI. Entirely instanced, and EVERY character had one. But the limited amount of plots we have for housing and limited amount of apartments does not help anyone on large servers.

I heard that the announcement may have been poorly translated and it was one apartment block per WARD instead of just per housing area.

Anyone else hear this?

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Originally Posted by Aillith

I heard that the announcement may have been poorly translated and it was one apartment block per WARD instead of just per housing area.

Anyone else hear this?

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there is a post or two in this topic saying that I think. to behonest it mmakes sense. the appartment blocks appear to be a special case free company house template that includes the same 512 chamber limit as FC personal chambers with a single location (similar to a large mansion) serving as the lobby. I suspect they have created what amount to 'ghost' free companies that exist purely to allow players to obtain an appartment. Given that they cost 500,000 gil, they will need to be larger than personal chambers.

But if you compare the functionality of the apartments to that of a Large FC mansion with the 512 member limit, the new apartment blocks function in exactly the sameway, which suggests that they are re-using part of the FC housing system to make this happen.

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Originally Posted by Verius_Nox

So that leaves me two choices, somehow get the patch day off and get lucky and net an apartment within the first 20 minutes of servers coming up, or pay the extorted prices when I get home from players looking to make a huge profit off the fact SE decided to limit the amount of apartments to a ridiculously low number.

Great.

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Well, at least now you can report players "looking to make a huge profit"...as long as they do that in game...which they won't. So yeah, best to get the day off. /comfort

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Originally Posted by SinisterJointss

how is it limited? You dont need 7 houses for you and your alts on every server. This will prevent the selling of the houses. How is it less customization?

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Because people may have multiple ideas for housing set-ups depending on the character.

The whole housing system is horribly limited as it is. They need to actually improve it, instead of trying to fix things by making other parts of it worse.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJointss

You dont need 7 houses for you and your alts on every server.

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Maybe they like a lot of gardening? With only one garden on a small plot which could be tied up for over a week, there's definitely incentive there to get more than one house.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/304383

"Apartment-style housing will be added. These apartments will have a shared lobby and chocobo stables, which can be accessed by all tenants. Each ward will have one apartment, and it will cost 500,000 gil for a room."

That should settle this discussion. Each ward will get an apartment building. There will be plenty of apartments going around.

I think the only server that won't have enough apartments will be Balmung unless there is one in every subdivision as well. If not that is a little over 18k apartments, if the do that is nearly 37k apartments. If the former than its a bit under the current speculated population of Balmung and would only be enough if you can only have an apartment or a house on a character. If the latter than hell, not even going to bother staying up for patch launch.

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Originally Posted by Chessala

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/304383

"Apartment-style housing will be added. These apartments will have a shared lobby and chocobo stables, which can be accessed by all tenants. Each ward will have one apartment, and it will cost 500,000 gil for a room."

That should settle this discussion. Each ward will get an apartment building. There will be plenty of apartments going around.

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Provided their translation is 100% accurate, if this is true I am EXCITED to finally have a chance at housing on a not-dead server. :D Thank you for posting this, I didn't even know abuot the announcement until I saw your post.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

I think the only server that won't have enough apartments will be Balmung unless there is one in every subdivision as well. If not that is a little over 18k apartments, if the do that is nearly 37k apartments. If the former than its a bit under the current speculated population of Balmung and would only be enough if you can only have an apartment or a house on a character. If the latter than hell, not even going to bother staying up for patch launch.

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I like how we still need a little bit more confirmation. If subdivisions do not count, Balmung may not have enough.

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Originally Posted by ExKage

I like how we still need a little bit more confirmation. If subdivisions do not count, Balmung may not have enough.

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Aren't the 'subdivisions' really just mirrors of the wards, and therefore wards in and of themselves? I don't think there is any reason why the subdivision wards will not have apartment buildings.

The buildings exist in subdivisions. They will be there as well.

I'm wondering where apartment owners will teleport to. My FC house is just to the right of where the entrance for the one in Mist appears to be. Will they tele to the entrance or to the lobby? I'm indifferent to it, just a simple curious thought about how many players I'm going to see wandering past the house that I can wave to.

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

I'm wondering where apartment owners will teleport to. My FC house is just to the right of where the entrance for the one in Mist appears to be. Will they tele to the entrance or to the lobby? I'm indifferent to it, just a simple curious thought about how many players I'm going to see wandering past the house that I can wave to.

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I'd guess that they will teleport to the gate for the apartment lobby. Apartment lobbies may end up being quite good social environments.

I just hope they are larger than the FC rooms, I feel my FC room is more of a storage closet.