This game is on a terrible state right now.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Yeah, I do have more fun than you clearly

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Thank you for proving my point that no matter if someone actually provides constructive feedback or not, it will always get denied by the white knights of this forum, including you of course.

Off to ignore you go

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Thank you for proving my point that no matter if someone actually provides constructive feedback or not, it will always get denied by the white knights of this forum.

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Lol I complained everytime I had something to complain about but to your state of mind if someone isn’t ONLY complaining they must be a white knight, this is just black and white thinking.

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Off to ignore you go

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Sorry, I too should only make unhinged “wah wah” posts from now on

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Yeah, I do have more fun than you clearly

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At least I don’t pay a sub to waste my time on the forums of a game I find less entertaining than watching paint dry

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At least I don’t pay a sub to waste my time on the forums of a game I find less entertaining than watching paint dry

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We can still sub and think 90% of the game is boring garbage today. What other non-unique, copy/pasted retorts you got? At least give them to me in the form of a meme, because I'm not very entertained right now. This isn't good content. lol

You all say we should be playing other games most of the time, so I'm doing just that.
Maybe I need to reward you for reading my messages, it'll keep you engaged and give me more entertainment value.

Good job! You made it to the bottom of the message, you earn..

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Originally Posted by Reinha

You were wrong, I'm not doing Diadem or achievements right now. If you wanted an answer you would have waited for one, but it's obvious you aren't looking for things to do in game. You're looking for ways to shit on the game and I'm not interested in helping you do that.

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Lmao I already shit on the game a lot, you don't need to help me do that, and I already know you have 0 answer of having "plenty of content". It's not my fault that the answer you would've given me sucks, I already suggested things that would at least be reasonable within the "plenty to do in the game despite being at the endgame". That shit takes forever to do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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We can still sub and think 90% of the game is boring garbage today. What other non-unique, copy/pasted retorts you got? At least give them to me in the form of a meme, because I'm not very entertained right now. This isn't good content. lol

You all say we should be playing other games most of the time, so I'm doing just that.

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Not my job to entertain you nor did I try, paint drying meme was VERY creative so thank you instead, good you’re paying for a game you find boring garbage, really makes your way of thinking worthy of taking anything else you say into consideration

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I didnt know me suggesting ideas in regards to dungeon and raids was "zero constructive feedback", but I guess it's funnier if you go "duh negative energy wow guys"

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You provided suggestions? I legit only ever see you fight/make fun of other users who don't share your point of view. Which the only thing I know about your point of view is you don't like the game.
But I also don't live on these forums (I only read these when I have free time at work) so of course I may have missed these suggestions of yours.

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Not my job to entertain you nor did I try, paint drying meme was VERY creative so thank you instead, good you’re paying for a game you find boring garbage, really makes your way of thinking worthy of taking anything else you say into consideration

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Oh, that was not what we were looking for. Not enough entertainment value I'm afraid!

Better luck next time!
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Yes, Whistle would be harmful with current experts because it starts with a MaMa spam and goes on forever, with or without delineations. But why is the solution to just REMOVE the system? Why not balance it and add to it to make it better? The core gameplay of Whistle if you forgo the infinite loop to me is to simultaneously balance multiple stacks - Comfort Zone, Manipulation II, the Whistle stacks, SH stacks, Ingen stacks, Innovation stacks, the IQ stacks, etc. all at once, and the decision on what to do is not always clear at all. This is also subject to RNG. If they expanded on this and made it interact with expert recipe conditions they could've made a far more interesting system. Having even 100 or 200 steps is honestly not a big deal if the rewards were commensurate. The key issue they would need to solve is to make it so that you can't go on infinitely long or that it is not a good idea to do so (for example by scaling rewards inversely with the number of steps taken).

People shit on games like Destiny II for removing content, but FF14 has removed so many promising systems over the years.

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It would be difficult to balance if my full recollection is to be there. On one hand of the coin, you could limit the usage per craft. But in doing this you would then make it difficult to balance around what changes you would need to make with experts, e.g., turning it into net positive buffs to net loss, e.g., instead of Pliant decreasing CP cost, you would increase the CP cost of the subsequent action. Honestly, with enough time on the system, it just bleeds together where you do steps according to a pretty rigid ruleset to dictate how you handle the crafts. After 2-3 attempts it's not immediately obvious, but if you were doing it on the scale of Resplendent Tools or Hand of Creation then it does very quickly come together.

I suppose it would add a degree of self-satisfaction to learning it, but when you got to a certain point the end result was guaranteed regardless of how much you necked your stats, which does also remove some of that thrill with doing experts in the first place. I would be curious to see how it would hold in actuality, but I still think it would largely trivialize the recipes. Trained Hand under innovation and ingenuity back when that was a thing was absolutely busted.

I can't speak much on it, but I would say given the choice I would have stuck with the removal, but delayed it until after the first release of Experts, and then removed it for either redesigning or reworking to a system designed to work exclusively with experts, e.g., give expert recipes their own little toolkit. Rather than just attempt-limit the recipes. Even with infinite attempts, someone skilled enough could do them far more efficiently than you might do with traditional experts.

I have already gone on to say that systems ideally shouldn't be removed until they have been tested. But then I'm also the same person that thinks Guildhests have so much potential.

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Of course not, but shouldn't the gameplay scale with the average skill level of the playerbase? Even if it's not a 1:1 scaling so that new player can catch up? As of right now I don't even think it's a flatline, I seriously think alliance raid and dungeon difficulty have gone down while average skill level has gone up, which makes literally no sense.

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Uh, yes and no. They should still encourage people to improve, but that is always difficult as forcing people into those situations does not always yield the best result e.g., you cannot force someone to learn if they do not want to – You can only encourage it.

I’m going to bring a little bit of personal experience here now, but when I’ve had difficulty, e.g., Sophia NM, or Shinryu NM on patch, my experiences with them were, someone got it for roulette, literally sat down in the instance and proceeded to hold everyone else hostage, requesting that they were kicked to avoid the penalty. This occurred after 2 wipes. Granted, I think there's a miniscule number of people that would go this far. However, I would say there’s a good number of people in the community that whilst they may want something engaging don’t necessarily want the territory that comes with it e.g., people not being good enough for said content and more wipes, which is an inevitability when you introduce harder or more sophisticated content to the general community.

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You obviously can't prevent every sort of copy-pasting (every innovation is a combination of previous innovations after all), but PotD -> HoH -> Orthos is seriously beyond the pale. The key hope is that they copy-paste less, not that they never make a dungeon again since it'll have trash and bosses like previous dungeons.

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Honestly, this is precisely the reason why beyond a certain point, areas of content should be dropped for the time being, e.g., exploratory zone/relic content. Again, I personally don’t think they’re ready to do the innovation on it as such should try something new. Until they can. If I were being frank, I wouldn’t want to have seen another Deep Dungeon until they could transform it into actual dungeoneering.

Preventing it is impossible, but in the case of a deep dungeon they literally ran into it unmitigated, and the community practically begged for it. I suppose what I’m trying to convey here is… The question shouldn’t be “Why haven’t we got xyz this expansion” (e.g., Deep Dungeons), because this is precisely why we got Orthos.

The problem is criterion is a failure in terms of rewards. Relic grind is not a grind its basically Hildibrand story with tomestone dump. Deep dungeon doesnt do anything to shake up the norm in terms of content. Island sanctuary is a farming simulator that doesnt promote group content and people are hoping it helps with housing issues which so far it hasnt.

Most expansions we have had some sort of extra content---> Diadem, Eureka, Bozja.

Since we dont have that this expansion we are heavily dependent on savage and extreme content. And that is why this expansion feels flat.

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Island sanctuary is a farming simulator that doesnt promote group content and people are hoping it helps with housing issues which so far it hasnt.

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Island Sanctuary is also very bad at being a farming simulator. There is no real purpose, no gameplay loop which is enough on it's own to keep players interested. No greater goal. The whole farming is just a time gate for the island shop. Once you have bought everything there is no reason to ever set foot onto your island again.

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Island Sanctuary is also very bad at being a farming simulator. There is no real purpose, no gameplay loop which is enough on it's own to keep players interested. No greater goal. The whole farming is just a time gate for the island shop. Once you have bought everything there is no reason to ever set foot onto your island again.

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Bottom line: was it worth the loss of relic zones or restoration content?

Absolutely not.

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Sorry, I forgot children can’t survive five minutes without entertainment, either that or sad adults trying to escape their boring realities

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We're all on the FFXIV forum, I'd imagine we're pretty sad already. lol

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We're all on the FFXIV forum, I'd imagine we're pretty sad already. lol

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Yeah but you always have a choice. You can complain as much as you want, we all do, but if ALL you put your energy into is complaining about a game you dislike so much since a year or more and see no change going in the direction you’d like, then why not spend your time on the forums of the games you DO like? A choice to surround yourself with things that do you good vs things that clearly don’t.

I understand complaining but being here 24/7 ONLY complaining sounds like a weird self destructive addiction and this isn’t necessarily referring to you, as were neither of my original posts on this thread.

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You could also do everyone the favor of just minding your own business and not involve yourself in conversations critical of the game if you'd rather not see them.

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Hey look, the narcissist decided to read what anyone else has to say for once. It’s a forum, meaning everything is up for discussion and I, like many others that unfortunately have left this forsaken place, do NOT want to see this game turn into an Aveyond wet dream, so sorry devil man, my business is right here.

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You could also do everyone the favor of just minding your own business and not involve yourself in conversations critical of the game if you'd rather not see them.

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The problem is criterion is a failure in terms of rewards. Relic grind is not a grind its basically Hildibrand story with tomestone dump. Deep dungeon doesnt do anything to shake up the norm in terms of content. Island sanctuary is a farming simulator that doesnt promote group content and people are hoping it helps with housing issues which so far it hasnt.

Most expansions we have had some sort of extra content---> Diadem, Eureka, Bozja.

Since we dont have that this expansion we are heavily dependent on savage and extreme content. And that is why this expansion feels flat.

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Island Sanctuary is as deep as Fashion Report. So imagine us getting that instead of a whole ass multiplayer Exploratory Mission/Zone. lol

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Thank you for proving my point that no matter if someone actually provides constructive feedback or not, it will always get denied by the white knights of this forum, including you of course.

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Even know I am enjoyed this battle between Stormpeaks, R041 and SassyAssassin, I think yall have a point......to a degree

Constructive feedback is fine, in fact it is very necessarily in anything we do from going for new job or improving this game, both in the sense of your own gameplay to all of the things they added thought out the years...as long you actually did the content for it and not just spitball it or just trashing it for no apparent reason at all plus willing to give a proper reasons why it does not work and any solutions they might want to come up to better your experience. But remember what you like or recommend, maybe somebody else will not like it for different reasons but need to be respected. Same thing with White Knight as well, it is okay to White Knight as long you understand that everybody might not share your opinion but atleast willing to listen to them and maybe it will give you a better understand about it. It probably change your perspective about something that you might not even know about.

I been in this game for almost nine years now and that does not even count my time in 1.0, there is alot of things this game can get better from better job adjustments to even more customizations (third party apps has show it can be done) and maybe better graphic and UI too, maybe more lore and story as well. But it is those imperfections that make a good MMO great like how Warcraft and EverQuest great because they will always continue to improved their games even know they might have way worst than FF right now and their fanbase probably wants more as well or having constructive feedback about it (how long it took Blizz to start have cross factions guilds?). If you do not like it, just say why and if you like it, just say why as well. Let me be after that. Because at the end of day, it is our own opinions and each player will have to find their own answers about that.

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Even know I am enjoyed this battle between Stormpeaks, R041 and SassyAssassin, I think both of yall have a point......to a degree

Constructive feedback is fine, in fact it is very necessarily in anything we do from going for new job or improving this game, both in the sense of your own gameplay to all of the things they added thought out the years...as long you actually did the content for it and not just spitball it or just trashing it for no apparent reason at all plus willing to give a proper reason why it does not work and any solutions they might want to come up to better your experience. But remember what you like or recommend, maybe somebody else will not like it for different reasons but need to be respected. Same thing with White Knight as well, it is okay to White Knight as long you understand that everybody might not share your opinion but atleast willing to listen to them and maybe it will give you a better understand about it. It probably change your perspective about something that you might not even know about.

I been in this game for almost nine years now and that does not even count my time in 1.0, there is alot of things this game can get better out, from better job adjustments to even more customizations (third party apps has show it can be done) and maybe better graphic and UI too, maybe more lore and story as well. But it is those imperfections that make a good MMO great like how Warcraft, Runscrape and EverQuest great because they will always continue to improved their games even know they might have way worst than FF right now. If you do not like it, just say why and if you like it, just say why as well. Because at the end of day, it is our own opinions and the players will have to find their own answers about this.

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If Yoship cannot even be bothered to play content as riveting as Island Sanctuary himself, as he has stated per his own words he hasn't touched it on his personal account, then I see no reason as to why I should subject myself to it before I can criticize something with flaws that glaringly obvious.

The same goes for many other things.

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I understand complaining but being here 24/7 ONLY complaining sounds like a weird self destructive addiction and this isn’t necessarily referring to you, as were neither of my original posts on this thread.

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I'm not here 24/7, I take pretty significant breaks for months at a time. You just caught me on a good day where I want to meme for entertainment. For some reason you feel the need to fight against the meme.

If the forums are always like this, it's not because of me. It seems to be a consistent issue then.

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If Yoship cannot even be bothered to play content as riveting as Island Sanctuary himself, as he has stated per his own words he hasn't touched it on his personal account, then I see no reason as to why I should subject myself to it before I can criticize something with flaws that glaringly obvious.

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Then you dont have to! Nobody forcing you to do Island Sanctuary and it will not affected me any way, shape and form but before you want to criticize the heck out it, just explain the reason why you don't want to it or don't say nothing at all.

At the end of the day, we can give opinions about what you should do or why we like or dont like this but the customer that is paying 12 - 16 per month is the final say and they will come up with their own opinion (FYI I like Island Sanctuary because it remind me of that stupid isle on the MOP that I can enjoyed plus I like farming sims)

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Then you dont have to! Nobody forcing you to do Island Sanctuary and it will not affected me any way, shape and form but before you want to criticize the heck out it, just explain the reason why you don't want to it or don't say nothing at all.

At the end of the day, we can give opinions about what you should do or why we like or dont like this but the customer that is paying 12 - 16 per month is the final say and they will come up with their own opinion (FYI I like Island Sanctuary because it remind me of that stupid isle on the MOP that I can enjoyed plus I like farming sims)

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Not many people care that Island Sanctuary itself exists, I've finished it, I have the bike, all glam.. I can give you a full list of changes I want for it..

But the ultimate issue is that it took away something monumental for the coop casual community, and that was Exploratory Missions. Something you can properly play as a multiplayer game, something that forces us to communicate as a community while actively engaging in the content, unlike most things we've been getting. So instead of getting that, we got the complete opposite - A quick single-player grind AFK mini-game. So it's no better than giving us Fashion Report again.

They can't even give us anything to go out into the world for, or any reason to really interact with each other this expac. I got to play Variant with my FC for 1 day. 1. day.

I'd LOVE to have just anything dynamic and engaging. Give me a new system similar to Wondrous Tails or something. Give me a system that forces me to Sync content, instead of encouraging everyone to single-player unsync all content.

Like what if they made a new Wondrous, but for Hildibrand and tied that to the new Relic and more random rewards. So you can do it for Relic or rewards. Then it pushes you to sync content somewhere.

I want a reason to coop that doesn't require either: Braindead Lv50 Dungeons with Sprouts or Joining a Static to get yelled at and being forced to schedule my playtime.

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I suppose it would add a degree of self-satisfaction to learning it, but when you got to a certain point the end result was guaranteed regardless of how much you necked your stats, which does also remove some of that thrill with doing experts in the first place. I would be curious to see how it would hold in actuality, but I still think it would largely trivialize the recipes. Trained Hand under innovation and ingenuity back when that was a thing was absolutely busted.

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Sure, but they could easily just double the quality requirement or some such to make it not trivialized, and further add optimization room by incentivizing low step crafts so that most players won't ever reach a place of perfection. That self-satisfaction is the most important part of gameplay. It's the same satisfaction when people master Dark Souls and defeat endgame bosses with ease, when just a month ago they were struggling with the a regular mob. Obviously everything will be eventually solved, but right now the time to solution is literally negative hours as rotations are figured out before patch is even live.

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However, I would say there’s a good number of people in the community that whilst they may want something engaging don’t necessarily want the territory that comes with it[/B]

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I unironically think the drama that ensues is good for the game. It's content and it makes the game memorable. And interpersonal conflict is also just part of life. It's not something to shy away from. I like Eureka in part because of the drama. It's also super low-stakes drama, so really it's just like watching reality TV. FF14 now is way too sanitized and dull. I don't mean drama like transphobia or stalking someone though. I just meant the drama of AFK leechers vs. spawners with people quarreling in chat. The game really felt rowdy and alive back then.

I know most players today wouldn't want that though, but I also enjoyed looking at the meltdown that occurs when people wipe again and again to Ozma. It was memorable. And these negative events make actual clears and smooth runs feel even sweeter.

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I suppose what I’m trying to convey here is… The question shouldn’t be “Why haven’t we got xyz this expansion” (e.g., Deep Dungeons), because this is precisely why we got Orthos.[/B]

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Sure. And now people are asking for exploratory content too. So as a community we need to be clear that we want exploratory content that is better and contains new gameplay, not just a pure copypaste.

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IMO, the game's biggest downfall (and SE's, by extension), is that they leave content to die. I think Resistance relics wouldn't be so badly designed had they planned to come back to the content; they don't, so here we (and Eureka relics too) are, never to return. Relics honestly just seemed design to fail, no matter what you do, because essentially the grind is gated behind content you need outside help for (Bozja, SB), the grind is tedious to point of nauseous (ARR, HW) or we're here at EW, where the steps so far is just.. play the game and you get the relic, so the sense of reward isn't really there. I actually think I would like SB/Bozja relics, but if and ONLY if, SE would actually give it the TLC it deserves.

I think they have potential, but I don't think SE can utilize the potential or have the desire to, so here we are. It's really sad because I think SE CAN make a good relic grind, but have just kinda thrown in the towel at this point.. at least IMO.

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It feels like it all amounts to synthetic difficulty in order to counterbalance the inability to be mechanically creative. Gods, even Eureka orthos everything is literally 1hit KO. Stop this. It's dumb. I'm tired of this inanity. Sometimes simpler is better, SE.

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Yeah, I stopped raiding after DSR for this reason. It's especially bad for healers. I remember in UCOB when you can completely screw up a trio but salvage the party by thinking calmly and triaging the party, ensuring the tank survives the tankbuster, making sure DPS are up in time for the mechanic, conserving mana etc. so that you live to see the next trio, even if you don't necessarily clear the enrage. I haven't played healer in a while but this just doesn't seem to be a thing at all in EW now.

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Constructive feedback is fine, in fact it is very necessarily in anything we do from going for new job or improving this game, both in the sense of your own gameplay to all of the things they added thought out the years...as long you actually did the content for it

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I know you did not mention me but I would just like to say that this line of questioning has been directed at so many people, many of whom have actually engaged with a lot of content. Like ForteNightshade.

There is a huge middle ground between being a Limsa AFKer who didn't even do the MSQ and being rank 1 on lalachievements. It's fair to want people to do the content to actually critique that particular piece of content, but I also don't think it's fair for many people (not you) to suggest that if you haven't done XYZ(*) you shouldn't talk about the game as a whole. That's an obvious cop-out that everyone can see. It's a shady way to dismiss the other person's opinion.

(*)XYZ = Farm 50,000 leves, clear PotD, HoH, Orthos solo, clear all Ultimates, level all jobs to 90

If XYZ is something like:

have four or five Lv90 jobs, preferably in each role, before you talk about job balance;
have an Ultimate or at least a Savage clear, before you talk about high-end encounter design or the raiding scene;
be a Hunter Wolf or at least Diamond, before you talk about the prevalence of wintrading on the Feast leaderboards;
have all crafters at Lv90, before you talk about the economy of endgame gear;
etc.

I think people will be far more amenable to the criticisms. But right now so many posts are just dumping a laundry list of possible grinds one could engage in to dismiss criticisms of the lack of the game's content as a whole. I think if you've tried maybe half the new content every patch you more than deserved the right to criticize the game as a whole.

That isn't to say everyone's opinions have equal value. The amount of posts on the prevalence of wintrading, hacking etc. on the Feast leaderboards when we literally never saw these posters in Plat/Diamond back in ShB gave me an aneurysm.

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I think people will be far more amenable to the criticisms. But right now so many posts are just dumping a laundry list of possible grinds one could engage in to dismiss criticisms of the lack of the game's content as a whole.

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Oh you're bored? Well do you even have a whole Ward of houses? Did you even decorate them all? Do you even have 999,999,999 gil?

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Oh you're bored? Well do you even have a whole Ward of houses? Did you even decorate them all? Do you even have 999,999,999 gil?

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The worst part is that the same people who come on here to defend SE at all costs and attack people actively providing feedback would be all over the new content if SE did release it despite their best efforts to attack the people requesting it. They are too dense to understand they aren't just trying to work against the requesters, but they are actively harming themselves in the process.

But hey, as long as they played contrarian and looked like the biggest white knight in the room I guess its worth it.

Every suggestion for change is taken by them as an offense unless it is explicitly sanctioned by Yoship, it seems.

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I know you did not mention me but I would just like to say that this line of questioning has been directed at so many people, many of whom have actually engaged with a lot of content. Like ForteNightshade.

There is a huge middle ground between being a Limsa AFKer who didn't even do the MSQ and being rank 1 on lalachievements. It's fair to want people to do the content to actually critique that particular piece of content, but I also don't think it's fair for many people (not you) to suggest that if you haven't done XYZ(*) you shouldn't talk about the game as a whole. That's an obvious cop-out that everyone can see. It's a shady way to dismiss the other person's opinion.

(*)XYZ = Farm 50,000 leves, clear PotD, HoH, Orthos solo, clear all Ultimates, level all jobs to 90

If XYZ is something like:

have four or five Lv90 jobs, preferably in each role, before you talk about job balance;
have an Ultimate or at least a Savage clear, before you talk about high-end encounter design or the raiding scene;
be a Hunter Wolf or at least Diamond, before you talk about the prevalence of wintrading on the Feast leaderboards;
have all crafters at Lv90, before you talk about the economy of endgame gear;
etc.

I think people will be far more amenable to the criticisms. But right now so many posts are just dumping a laundry list of possible grinds one could engage in to dismiss criticisms of the lack of the game's content as a whole. I think if you've tried maybe half the new content every patch you more than deserved the right to criticize the game as a whole.

That isn't to say everyone's opinions have equal value. The amount of posts on the prevalence of wintrading, hacking etc. on the Feast leaderboards when we literally never saw these posters in Plat/Diamond back in ShB gave me an aneurysm.

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If you feel like I offended you in any way, I apologize for that. I do not try to single any one person out but I try look at things at a wider view than others (been down this road for a very long time) but I am not that smart at all, so bear with me. But I think it should be up to each player who logs into this game to make their own opinion about the systems that is on there. Incinerator2, I understand your point of view and you are right in a way, but you are thinking I was talking about those who plays hours and hours, but I was looking at those who just try it one time and did not like it.

At the end of the day, Constructive criticisms and feedback is very important for information and improvements even if you did it 1000 times or just one time. Information like that can help improved system and way of life for not benefiting only us as the customer and gamers but also for the developers and invertors as well. This game has alot of flaws and alot of stuff they can improved but it will take time and patience from us and from them. Besides these types of conversions that make this game special because we all care for it and want it to succeed.

@R041, I love those ideas and I think they can do something like that with all of the other content and make them relevant again.... like Class gear and glamour (Let me stop or I be writing a 10 essay about the glamour system and why they need to unleash it)

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...we'd have a decent expansion instead of one that has caused this much disappointment across all sectors of the playerbase.

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Respectfully, speak for yourself and don’t push your opinion on everyone. I have 0 problems with the state of the game, 0 problems with Endwalker, and I wouldn’t change a single thing about it. I play it daily for hours and always have something to do.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Even back then, we'd still have nothing to do once we were done with the MSQ, finished Savage, and completed side content like beast tribe stuff.

If anything, there's more to do now thanks to the Ultimates. The vast majority of the "playerbase" still focus on the social aspects of the game.

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I'd love to do savage but I am not trusting 7 other randoms to do it with. Plus with how the community is very clique based it is hard to meet new people

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Originally Posted by Ath192

The worst part is that the same people who come on here to defend SE at all costs and attack people actively providing feedback would be all over the new content if SE did release it despite their best efforts to attack the people requesting it. They are too dense to understand they aren't just trying to work against the requesters, but they are actively harming themselves in the process.

But hey, as long as they played contrarian and looked like the biggest white knight in the room I guess its worth it.

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It is always like that. They really think FFXIV is the most perfect MMO and has nothing wrong with it. I wish they take the rose colored glasses off and see what the game is really like

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Originally Posted by NekiUno

If you feel like I offended you in any way, I apologize for that.

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No, I'm not offended, I was just making a tangent to talk about certain people (which does not include you) who make a similar argument to flat-out dismiss criticism.

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

Respectfully, speak for yourself and don’t push your opinion on everyone. I have 0 problems with the state of the game, 0 problems with Endwalker, and I wouldn’t change a single thing about it. I play it daily for hours and always have something to do.

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Character: Tulvi Lorelei
World: Balmung
Main Class: Bard

I see

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Originally Posted by Oizen

For all the unique features Endwalker advertised itself with, I liked one of them.

Ishgard Housing - Released broken, filled in a month, Questionable Lottery system that ignores core issues of the Housing system in the first place.
Island Sanctuary - Boring and Bare Minimum Right Click Spam
Variant Dungeon - Neat Lore Dump, Brainless one and done game play
Criterion Dungeon - Cool concept, Too hard (Normal Should be tagged as Savage), shit rewards.
Criterion (Savage) - Clone of Normal except with harder hitting mobs and an incredibly boring Overall-enrage mechanic, would prefer a unique fight and harder mechanics. (Also shit rewards)
Eureka Orthos - Heaven on Higher, if you like deep dungeons, you'll like this content, does not stand out from the other two in any meaningful way, its just another one.


In terms of whats left, 6.4 and 6.5 are likely going to be more of the same, I can't even think of anything standout left coming to Endwalker. We've seen all of it, whats left is more of the same.

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With how everything has been slowly declining in content. Instead of doing 7.0 maybe just end FFXIV story all together let them take a break for a few years and then come up with a new FF MMO that they can take what they have learned and take real feedback on what is lacking and make the new MMO better

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Originally Posted by Deo14

Character: Tulvi Lorelei
World: Balmung
Main Class: Bard

I see

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Ahhh, Balmung-shaming, are we? You can’t believe that somebody actually enjoys the game, so you choose to reply with ad-hominem attacks. You must be proud of yourself.

A friendly reminder to not engage with those who choose to engage in a debate over semantics. At no other point in this game's history bar 1.0 have this many people been talking openly about their dissatisfaction with its systems, content, and story.

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

Ahhh, Balmung-shaming, are we? You can’t believe that somebody actually enjoys the game, so you choose to reply with ad-hominem attacks. You must be proud of yourself.

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They're saying your content is AFK in Limsa as Bard playing music.
.. Or maybe.

https://i.imgur.com/hznh8ay.png

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

I have 0 problems with the state of the game, 0 problems with Endwalker, and I wouldn’t change a single thing about it. I play it daily for hours and always have something to do.

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I get to use this one again, nice.

https://i.imgur.com/q5ZRq9a.png

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

That isn't true in the least. Have you not been doing any of the content?

We have had 3 new beast tribes, 1 new GATE, new pvp arenas and rewards, 2 new map dungeons, 11 dungeons, 2 alliance raids, 5 extremes, 8 savage raids, 2 ultimates, 1 variant dungeon, 1 criterion/savage dungeon, a new deep dungeon which includes 70 high-end floors and island sanctuary.

We are set to get 4 more savage raids, 2 more variant/criterion/savage dungeon, new blue mage content likely including a reason to do level 70/80 raids, a new alliance raid, another ocean fishing route and all their associated reward grinds for people who want to do them more than once and more dungeons and extremes. And some other things like new cards to get and new sidequests.

There is nothing lackluster about all that at all.

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that maybe true and all but look at the last criterion dungeon. It was boring and the rewards were basically nothing. If they make the rewards nothing again then this criterion dungeon will be dead on arrival. deep dungeon is ok but the same as the last 2. Unless they make something innovated and exciting to keep people doing it then their efforts have declined. I keep hoping for a new MMO that can stir the fire back in the FFXIV dev team to see if they will push the envelope or not. If a new MMO comes out that offers more and better content, better housing, better gear progression then I will end up going to that then stay on FFXIV

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Originally Posted by R041

They're saying your content is AFK in Limsa as Bard playing music.






I get to use this one again, nice.

https://i.imgur.com/q5ZRq9a.png

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Why would my content revolve around that? I do all kinds of content except for Ultimates and all of it on Balmung without having to DC travel to find active PvE player base.

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

Why would my content revolve around that? I do all kinds of content except for Ultimates and all of it on Balmung without having to DC travel to find active PvE player base.

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Seems like your content is replying on OF to my unfunny remarks. And mine content is replying to you. The circle of life.