I think they said during the Letter from the Producers that they are currently looking into attaching glamour plates to saved Job-sets and that it wouldn't be included during 4.2. >x>()Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
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01-27-2018, 07:16 AMMimilu
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01-27-2018, 03:10 PMVstarstruckThe limitations are only there for money making purposes. They do not care about us, only money. I know a few getting really close to quitting, long time players, because SE refuses to improve the game and charge us more for space.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
They refuse to fix anything, after TWO FULL EXPANSIONS!!! while they just tell people "rent a 9th retainer". Sorry that is extremely shady, I hope SE has a huge sub drop off so they get a wake up call.
Also you are not understanding the dye limitations with this pre alpha system (what a joke) it is literally useless at this time. We deserve more after all this time.
I was storta having a negative view as they released notes how the system would work. Now I am stating with confidence, 4.2 has to be the worst update to this game. HEY lets go full circle and nerf pld to the ground and make war op because it makes sense!
The only good thing in 4.2 is housing, and tbh, this should been in the game long ago, HW release I suspect would have been a fitting time. -
01-27-2018, 04:09 PMSokiYagamiFix that for you. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
Don't bother trying to communicate with Sir K, you aren't going to get through to him. Irregardless if you are raising a valid concern or unreasonable demand, they are just going to mean the same thing to him (the later one). If you voice your opinion and/or make speculations about how something should work, he's going to question if you know how demanding it will be and if you're a developer/programmer. If you have the nerve to say that it shouldn't matter to you as a paying customer, SE should deliver the result regardless of the workload, he will question if you have a heart and care for the well being of the employees, which is fine, until on another thread he will disagree with others and say why should SE bother implementing certain features or QoL since they are a business organization and profit is their first and foremost concern anyway.
Stance aside, his responses are no different from the "gimme gimme" players that are constantly making unreasonable demands he seems to despite so much anyway. So once again, I say, don't bother trying to get through to him. -
01-27-2018, 04:19 PMVstarstruckfixed, tyQuote:
Originally Posted by SokiYagami
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01-27-2018, 05:05 PMKrotoanThe company does not care about us. Very true. However they are interested in making money off of us. You cannot make money off someone who ceases to pay money. You already understand this as you are threatening to quit, flexing your buying dollar. It's in their best interest to keep as many of us happy as possible, or at least thinking we're happy anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
Anything? They've fixed NOTHING since 2.0? I am assuming you're using hyperbole but if you're not, then that's an outright lie. They've fixed lots. They have made changes, they've implemented systems to satisfy player concerns and added content where there used to be none.
4.2 is the "worst". .. Alright you're entitled to your opinion.
I'm quite surprised you're excited for housing though.. there's some shenanigans going on there you might wanna check into. I thought it was a great thing too till I saw what was happening.
I'm going to say this because it's bothering the heck out of me, English isn't your first language is it? Either that or you're not proofreading your posts and just letting spellcheck have its way, but I understand what you're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by SokiYagami
The words you were looking for are: "Fixed" "Regardless" (I suppose it's debatable that irregardless is now an accepted word but you did use the correct one later, weird.) "Latter" and "Despise"
You can ignore my points all you like and decide to ignore me. I cannot force you to read anything.
But:
I ask you to consider the amount of work needed and you respond with "it doesn't matter, I pay money so I deserve whatever I want"
I explain possible constraints and reasons for why things are the way they are and you respond with "This game does it this way , SE should do that"
I use logic, knowledge and empathy and you respond with greed and entitlement and ignorance.
Who's "Gimme Gimme"?
No it's NOT horrible to ask for things you want, but it's lamentable you seem to think we simply don't have them because a company is lazy, greedy or stupid and have no further suggestions than "Make it like *Game*"
I suppose if both of you are going to maintain that mindset, no.. it really doesn't behoove either of us to try and convince the other. But I've got time and patience. As long as you keep responding or posting, so will I. -
01-27-2018, 05:09 PMHrounI agree with this. Also people scream about patches before touching them with every game ever. Just wait until it releases, then complain. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
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01-27-2018, 05:43 PMReinhaHow does reading the game system details in the patch notes differ from reading the game system details in game? I don't need to watch a movie in a cinema to know how long it is if the run time is already public information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hroun
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01-27-2018, 05:44 PMSokiYagamiThe only issue I have with the new glamour system is how items will be destroyed upon putting into the dresser. It's right there in the patch notes. Short of a bad patch note issue, which did happen before, it's pretty much set in stone. I don't see how we need to wait til the patch to go live before knowing how this particular part would work. You argument will work for say, the new WAR changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hroun
In fact, give me just one good reason on how destroying the gear to register it into the dresser is better or even necessity over something like, binding the item to the player (to prevent reselling) upon registering the appearance into the dresser. I'll yield if you can give just one good point which I can't counter-argue. -
01-27-2018, 06:03 PMHrounYou got me there. I will admit the system seems clunky compared to equivalents in other games on the market. Perhaps they chose destroying gear to reduce the amount of profit made from desynthing, spiritbonding and converting into materia or trading into GC for seals after gear is bound (Which is a pretty awful reason, WoW wouldn't stop you from disenchanting gear after binding it and collecting the appearance).Quote:
Originally Posted by SokiYagami
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01-27-2018, 06:09 PMKrotoanQuote:
Originally Posted by SokiYagami
I will preface this with this admission: Destroying the item bothers me. As long as the system is half implemented and there are items that cannot be glamoured with the dresser this will be a problem.
"destroying" The item is likely rendering it down to a flag of Model/skin/color. Something that our current system has a problem with and has been cited many times is the fact our inventory relies on the data for every item we're carrying be checked on constantly. This makes it so a large inventory plus many players on a server creates bandwidth problems. Reducing further data throughput by stripping ALL item data out of something and simply making it a check of "what does this look like?" creates wiggle room within a previously limited system.
Arguably they COULD reverse the process by saying you could "buyback" an item in the dresser if the glamour had one flag for item #1849798 to refer to and be granted when this theoretical process is used. Asking for this is understandable. Asking for the entire system to be scrapped and started over because of a particular branch of that feature seems overkill. The system can work, and I see potential. Hence why I argue the entire thing isn't useless, just incomplete.
"just wait till you have it right and don't waste our time!". Iteration is how successful systems are made. This system as it is, and as flawed as it is does not take anything away from us, it gives us an option. It reduces some inventory clutter and allows for a requested functionality to be implemented (multiple appearances for singular gear). -
01-27-2018, 06:11 PMSokiYagamiA fair point, which was brought up long ago twice (which I saw) by other players in other thread when requesting for a glamour log was still a thing. I'll stand by the point I made before too, yes, there will be a one-time surge of mats from manually converting/trading in of gears we are currently holding onto now, but I disagree that this will outweigh any potential inconvenience that the players may experience from picking over the destruction of gear instead. I'll also reinforce my point by stating that recently, overtime, SE has been picking convenience over any potential market surge via the condensing of glamour prism and raining of materia through multiple new sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hroun
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01-27-2018, 09:40 PMAlleo
So doesnt that mean that they have to stick with that feature forever? I mean if they can code it in a way that you can take things out why not do that from the beginning? So either its not doable for them or they never thought of it..but if its not doable they cant rework that system that much (other than turning it into something completely unlimited for space) because people might just lose all their glamour items that they put in there...which kinda makes me feel like this will be our glamour "log" for a long time..so just another bad band-aid that will not let us improve much.
Strange how one of the most important things to know (items being destroyed) was not part of their liveletter and not part of their presentation...gives me the feels like they wanted to be silent about that important part so that we dont discuss this until its too late..
Honestly I am not going to use that dresser..its just too much risk of losing the stuff..and the ensembles seems to be way more complicated too.. -
01-27-2018, 09:58 PMKrotoanit was in there.. but just not very well translatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/356388-Letter-from-the-Producer-LIVE-Part-XLI-Update-Thread/page2
"These new dressers will be placed inside inn rooms. Players will select items from their inventory and Armoury chest, and use glamour prisms to convert and store them into the glamour dresser. These items will become unavailable as a normal item to equip, but can be used for glamour. "
Unavailable.. as in .. ever.
Ideally, if you did have however many slots you needed and you could glamour everything then you wouldn't ever need to recover an item right? It may be they're figuring that in the end it won't matter that the actual item is gone since the glamour will be available for whatever..
It's also possible due to deadlines that the recovery feature wasn't implemented, or yes even that they figured "well.. if you can just glamour it.. why would you ever want it back?"
Speculation proves nothing really.. but If it remembers the name of the item and isn't just a picture, it references it somehow.. and calling the original item back isn't that far off.
Bummer you're not even going to TRY it though. I'll post my impressions when we do get our hands on it, maybe that'll change your mind. And hey! 200 slots of my inventory back! -
01-27-2018, 10:12 PMAlleo
They did say that you cant use the gear as gear anymore if its in the dresser so the sentence you posted was more like that. This never truly meant that we could never get it out again and I find it a bit strange that they would post it in that way in the live letter thread. I mean the patch notes have these hints in red to make sure that people understand that they will be destroyed so why not write it that way too?
It matters because we cant use that system for retainers and squadrons and people use glamour on them too. Also they said a lot of stuff in the past and did not hold that promise so we do not have a 100% safety that they will increase that or change the system. So I would be putting stuff in there that I might regret putting in there later..which I would not be able to get back. So no I will not try it because I simply cant get them back..if we could retrieve them again that would be different.. -
01-28-2018, 12:54 AMSilverObi
Honestly this is just SE doing what SE does. They take a simple system and overcomplicate it to the point of absurdity. Myriad other games have a glamour/costume/transmog system that saves the appearance into a catalog for later application. They're doing on paper literally the same thing so they probably see no problem with it. But what's happening is they're trying for some reason to add layers to your glamour appearance. Base layers, plate layers, mix match, bla bla why. We shouldn't be surprised it's being done so half-assed and so clearly missing the point because that's how they've handled changes to their flagship MMOs for almost 20 years.
However I am willing to give the new system a chance because I'd like to see what I can wring out of the limitations to create unique looks per job. Just like I much more appreciate people who use pieces from different sets to create an outfit vs someone who just wears a complete set and calls it a glamour, I look forward to seeing what people figure out instead of just dismissing it out of hand.
And I do agree that 200 slots in general is too low, maybe 100 per equip slot is a much better start again that's just SE doing what SE does. It will be expanded and refined later on but as with most of their QoL additions they're just proofs of concept to see what their hamster wheels can handle. -
01-28-2018, 01:07 AMKrotoanI'd say likely lost in translation and intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
I get that, and yeah we've gotten burned on things before. Of course don't put anything irreplaceable in your Dresser if you've got reservations, but stuff you can get back with gil or dungeon farming? I'd say dresser it and save yourself the space. Make a plate with just gloves and shoes or something if that's all you put in there. Any Gold Saucer prizes? Dresser. People are always saying gil is worthless now anyway. Every piece of "Darklight" stuff I have is going in there. -
01-28-2018, 03:55 AMWilanNo joke. Remember when the glamour system was originally introduced there were a whopping total of 37 different prisms? Clear Prisms, Dispel Prisms, and then 5 different prisms for each of the 7 jobs divided by their item level. Was that really necessary?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverObi
...apparently not, because since then the prisms were first reduced to 9, and starting next week they'll be only 3. Everything else was an useless overcomplication that didn't add anything. -
01-28-2018, 04:02 AMAivi_lo
The cynical party of me thinks they just don't want to give us a useful glamour log as they still want to charge people for additional retainers :/
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01-28-2018, 06:20 AMAlleo
I am just sad that we are not even just able to use the system without having to think which stuff to put in there. I would still see this as a band-aid if we could put them out again but this way? I just really hope that they have a huge warning when someone uses the dresser..otherwise we will probably have lots of people that put glamour in there only to notice that they cant get it back. x)
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01-28-2018, 09:29 AMIscahThe potential issue with dividing up the slot allowance by item is that, especially when we need to be selective about what we put in, people may want to store different amounts of different item types. I know I'll be storing a lot more chest pieces than hats! So it's better to simply have X item slots instead of dividing it into an arbitrary number per type - the question of "how many slots do we actually need" is separate.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverObi
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01-28-2018, 12:49 PMDualgunnerRemember when we wanted a system to dye our chocobos? Nobody wanted anything complex, just dump a pot of blue dye on the bird and be done. We got a needlessly complex system of feeding and waiting for days on end in a chocobo stable one needs housing or apartments to even have access to. Oh, and praying that nowhere along the way did one accidentally feed their bird the wrong thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilan
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01-28-2018, 01:15 PMKrotoanThings I liked about that: Everyone didn't have a black chocobo instantly. It kind of made it an achievement to have the color you wanted, since you likely had to grow the fruit first, THEN stuff them into your chocobo and wait to see if it worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
Things I didn't like: I needed an outside online calculator to figure out what to feed my bird and when... and I still got a green one first. -
01-28-2018, 01:21 PMBourne_EndeavorSee, I don't see the sense of achievement in that. If I want to dye something a specific colour, I'm not seeking any milestone accomplishment to go along with it. I simply want that colour. It's needlessly convoluted for no real reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
With the Glamour Dresser. I wanted a way to glamour each job differently. Instead, we yet again got The SE Touch™, where our items get deleted, thus restricting what sets you would ever want to store there. Now this would less an issue if cash shop outfits could go in the Armoire. Alas, that's too difficult, apparently. -
01-28-2018, 01:46 PMSokiYagamiI died after reading that lol. Here, have my like. /handoverQuote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
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01-30-2018, 02:14 AMNerfworthy
A good chunk of my glamour items are from the cash shop, and to my knowledge those are not replaceable. I'm very worried about destroying them to put them into this new glamour dresser. :/
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01-30-2018, 02:22 AMTridusThe game is full of these things where they take something simple and throw gobs of complexity at it. When that doesn't work, it takes them eons to react, and they do it in baby steps before maybe winding up at something workable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
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01-30-2018, 04:23 AMVstarstruckThey fixed nothing in regards of inventry fixes/ managment/ glam magmenet*Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
not "hyperbole "
They did address it going from 1.0 >2.0 removing materials and such, but 2.0 was the last we got to see something major. The only "fix" we got after that is hiring more retainers. Now that we are at 9, the problem gets worse and worse that we do not have a better inventory management in being able to transfer items from retainer to retainer.
All they did 2.0 + is make the inventory problem worse while giving people a tiny relief putting some currency bloat into a currency tab, but they did such a small amount of it. I expected them to add on as time went on, and nope, we have not seen it.
I have lots of patience releasing this joke of a system after 2 expansions and not addressing the major underlying problems has officially broken my patience, and tbh, its not easy to do.
Them releasing a 9th rentable retainer with the release of this joke system is them flat out admitting it is a joke, and know people need more inventory space to function. in order to be able to function they make you pay more a month. Just make this game f2p already, it is more f2p then a sub model anyway. -
01-30-2018, 05:20 AMSilverObiIt's highly likely the dresser won't even allow cash shop items to be used. It has the asterisk text saying certain gear can't be used. And even if it could be used...why would you consider destroying gear you paid real money for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerfworthy
Yes hyperbole. They have increased inventory, reduced some bloat, and are making inroads to improved item management. Granted as they are wont to do, it's accomplished with all the grace of a calf freshly fallen out of its mom but it's still something they've been trying to do for us. As I posted previously, this system is needlessly complicated and just further highlights how poorly they planned their systems. But this goes back 16 years to FFXI and the constant haphazard attempts at QoL improvements or balancing and is neither new or surprising. I'm jaded by the constant excuses and misdirection on their part throughout the years but I also acknowledge they are trying in the patented SE way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
Honestly you need to take some time and step away to cool off it seems like at this point. The underlying problems pretty obviously lay in the code and system workings and cannot be fixed without a major overhaul which is unfeasible at this point in time. It sucks but that's how it is. -
01-30-2018, 10:17 PMAlleo
Some people are reporting that you cant use a plate and the old glamour system at the same time..and some even said on reddit that the glamour plate from one job (redmage) suddenly also swapped over to their summoner glamour...wow I did not really think that the system could be even worse..x)
I am staying as far away from that dresser and its plates as possible.. -
01-30-2018, 10:57 PMIscahThat's because the glamour has been applied to the gear, not the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
Basically it seems that the glamour dresser is a shortcut to applying multiple glamours at once, but they're still applied as they are with the old system, permanently attached to the gear until you cast a different glamour on it. It's not that you can't use both systems, just that what people anticipated out of the glamour plates (a temporary overlay separate to your current glamour) is not what it actually does (overwrite the current glamour with the items on the plate).
It'll be good for jobs where I am constantly applying the same glamour to different gear as I level up.
I guess for special costumes (casual clothes or whatever) you could still make use of it, just make sure you apply it over a costume that you have a separate plate set up for.
Multiple job glamours for the same equipment will have to wait until we can link the (hopefully expanded number of) plates to gear sets.