Dear Healers who don't DPS

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Originally Posted by Nhisso

Yeah, but no.
Healers wasting mana on DPS EVERY time they arent healing are bad.

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Yeah, no. Sitting on full MP (because unless you are overhealing or not using any refresh skills, that is exactly what will happen) is wasting MP and is the sign of a bad healer. Even solo healing savages with PF groups allows me time to dps and run no risk of going oom.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

*enters dungeon*
*Tank mashes sprint button and grabs 3 packs of mobs*
*I catch up to the almost dead tank and give him Benediction*
*I get locked into chain-casting Cure2, not having enough time or MP to do anything else*

How again was I supposed to DPS?

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You Hit The Nail On The Head! This is what happens to me 98 percent of the time. I DPS when I can. DPSing by a healer is option...a bonus. DPSing should be Healers Choice.

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Originally Posted by Nhisso

Healers wasting mana on DPS EVERY time they arent healing are bad.

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So... I do DPS when I don't have to heal.

By your logic I am bad right?

Why am I able to clear savage raids on healer?

I DPS when I don't need to heal in all content...I keep everyone alive and I DPS and we clear just fine. How can I do this if I am bad?

Something really doesn't make sense about what you are claiming here :/

These toxic thread, posted by toxic people... so much toxic-ness now days... ~.~

Did you actually pay others sub so you can order people how to play their toons? No you did not right!

If you really that Godly playing whatever toons you have, then for the love of Twelve, please do us a favor to solo every contents SE offer... less drama, less toxic people involve for us who likes to enjoy how we play our toons. And don't give us that crap saying " you are a bad healer" blablabla 'cause you know it is you who actually got bad attitude pissing other people off =.=

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Originally Posted by ximxim

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It's always you lunatics who come in here with their buzzwords. Toxic, elitist, you don't pay my sub! You, my man, are a walking meme. What is it with you people and subscriptions anyway? Do you pay mine? Does you having paid for your subscription somehow enable you to waste my time and be a terrible player. I've had a tank once who in Aurum Vale pulled whole rooms while using no cooldowns and occassionally standing in the yellow poison throwing more damage on top of already more damage. I asked him if he could at least use cooldowns to which he gave the "you don't pay my sub" response. To which I politely told him that I wouldn't be healing him anymore as he too is not paying my subscription. You see, paying a subscription means nothing and is often uttered by stupid people who can not play this game properly and have to be a nuiscance to the people who do. The people who are ultradefensive are in fact most of the time just terrible players. So you can continue moaning that people don't pay your sub, or you can actively try and become a better player so that, you know, the people you come into contact with have an ally, someone who contributes, rather than just stand there doing nothing half the time.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

*enters dungeon*
*Tank mashes sprint button and grabs 3 packs of mobs*
*I catch up to the almost dead tank and give him Benediction*
*I get locked into chain-casting Cure2, not having enough time or MP to do anything else*

How again was I supposed to DPS?

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Regen + Asylum on Tank -> Swiftcast + Holy -> Enemies are stunned -> Thin Air + Holy spam -> Tetra/Assize when needed.
With the almost constant stunn Holy gives the HoTs have enough time to heal the tank and the huge damage kills the mobs super fast. :)

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I realize this, there was just a side conversation arising about a quote Yoshida made discussing whether or not healer DPS was required in the game's design, and the answer is that it wasn't. We seem to all be in agreement on this point.

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Other than the fact that by his own admission, the Savage raid encounters are designed to require healer DPS to beat when they are first added to the game. :P

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Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves

Regen + Asylum on Tank -> Swiftcast + Holy -> Enemies are stunned -> Thin Air + Holy spam -> Tetra/Assize when needed.
With the almost constant stunn Holy gives the HoTs have enough time to heal the tank and the huge damage kills the mobs super fast. :)

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This and don't forget that Benediction is a great thing to use as well. When you're as comfortable healing as I am, it becomes a natural thing. Let tank dip low and use Benidiction if I don't have Tetra. It's a three minute cooldown and seems like such a waste to not use it. You can use it up to 5 times in a good dungeon run.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

This and don't forget that Benediction is a great thing to use as well. When you're as comfortable healing as I am, it becomes a natural thing. Let tank dip low and use Benidiction if I don't have Tetra. It's a three minute cooldown and seems like such a waste to not use it. You can use it up to 5 times in a good dungeon run.

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Yeah, I know that, but I was referring to the post I quoted especially and that person said he/she already used benediction, so that would not be available in that moment. :)

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Originally Posted by MoarLegion

In S/NES Era final fantasies where you had one character be a dedicated healer, you didn't just have them stand there for a turn when healing wasn't needed.

Why are we treating this game any different?

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Except this isn't true at all. You absolutely did let the healer do nothing for a turn if there was no healing needed. Healers had no offensive spells, besides maybe holy. Back in the day, your MP didn't regen back. LOL. You didn't waste MP on spells. You either had your healer block or you had them beat the monster with their sticks (which would be like 1 damage so there was no difference.) Ethers were hard to come by and places to sleep/tent and save were rather rare too. The only dedicated healer that had offensive skills was probably Rose and who honestly depended on her DPS? LOL

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Originally Posted by Alisi

Except this isn't true at all. You absolutely did let the healer do nothing for a turn if there was no healing needed. Healers had no offensive spells, besides maybe holy. Back in the day, your MP didn't regen back. LOL. You didn't waste MP on spells. You either had your healer block or you had them beat the monster with their sticks (which would be like 1 damage so there was no difference.) Ethers were hard to come by and places to sleep/tent and save were rather rare too. The only dedicated healer that had offensive skills was probably Rose and who honestly depended on her DPS? LOL

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Except the part where you can solo FF1 as a Whm, and from then on you got some decent damage casters, such as in FF3 when you gave them the elemental staves to do damage when no healing was needed. Rose...eh...she was decent.

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Originally Posted by Taika

Other than the fact that by his own admission, the Savage raid encounters are designed to require healer DPS to beat when they are first added to the game. :P

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Oh, my god. I'm not arguing this with you anymore. Go back and read the quote. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Oh, my god. I'm not arguing this with you anymore. Go back and read the quote. Have a nice day.

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I have read it many times, and right there Yoshi says the fights require healer DPS to be completed until the party has reached the item level for which the fights are balanced, which is not yet available for players when the fights are added to the game, nor for some time after that, and even at the "balanced" item level, healer DPS is still required unless your DDs and tanks are pulling at least 85-90% of their maximum possible performance.

You have a nice day too! :)

Reading through some of the posts here...it seems some people need to realise that healer dps is a byproduct of the rest of the team playing well.

Of course encounter design comes into it but if a healer ends up with a group that is prone to taking avoidable damage, if they don't have loads of mana to spare they sometimes do intentionally lower their dps to make sure they have the resources they need when something goes wrong.

If a player very frequently ends up with healers who never dps, then maybe they should take a good look at themselves. Maybe they're not putting the healer in a position to safely do a lot of dps.

A healer's first job is to heal. The rest comes after.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Reading through some of the posts here...it seems some people need to realise that healer dps is a byproduct of the rest of the team playing well.

Of course encounter design comes into it but if a healer ends up with a group that is prone to taking avoidable damage, if they don't have loads of mana to spare they sometimes do intentionally lower their dps to make sure they have the resources they need when something goes wrong.

If a player very frequently ends up with healers who never dps, then maybe they should take a good look at themselves. Maybe they're not putting the healer in a position to safely do a lot of dps.

A healer's first job is to heal. The rest comes after.

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The problem isn't that healers aren't dpsing...it's when they're doing nothing instead of dpsing (which I notice frequently when I get random healers in df). No one is saying they should dps at the cost of healing when healing is needed. I'm not sure where people keep getting this from. Even the people who are pro healer dps say that healers' first priority is to heal.

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Originally Posted by Alisi

Except this isn't true at all. You absolutely did let the healer do nothing for a turn if there was no healing needed. Healers had no offensive spells, besides maybe holy. Back in the day, your MP didn't regen back. LOL. You didn't waste MP on spells. You either had your healer block or you had them beat the monster with their sticks (which would be like 1 damage so there was no difference.) Ethers were hard to come by and places to sleep/tent and save were rather rare too. The only dedicated healer that had offensive skills was probably Rose and who honestly depended on her DPS? LOL

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Your post reminds me of those "fake geek girl" memes. It doesn't sound like you have played the older games... you only looked up stuff on Final Fantasy Wiki.

FF1 NES: "Block" (defend) didn't exist. The closest thing you could do to wasting a turn in FF1 was using an Item that had no combat effet. WHM weapon damage was respectable at lower levels with their Hammers and some of the staves. Most of your damage as WHM came from items with combat effects (such as Thor's Hammer, Mage Staff, etc.) RDMs, which could also be used as full time healers, had very respectable weapon damage and could equip almost all of the best swords in the game. You didn't have to use any damage spells from RDM, it could be all saved for healing.

FF2 Famicom: Minwu, the White Wizard, melee damage was very respectable, and possibly was higher than Guy's damage, counting on how much grinding you did prior to acquiring Minwu. Guy would be the equivalent of the "brute" character archetype; high weapon damage, high defense, high HP, low agility, terrible at using spells. Also FF2 Famicom didn't have the Defend action...

FF3 Famicom: White Mage -> Devout weapon damage was "meh" but it was still better than wasting a turn (I don't believe Defend was still an option in FF3 on the Famicom, but I know the DS version did). Again, RDM had respectable weapon damage, especially in the DS version (who I chose over WHM and Devout). You could also supplement WHM/Devout damage with items that had combat effects.

FF4 SNES: You mainly used bow and arrows for Rosa's damage. You didn't use her spells for damage... which Holy was her only damage spell and she got it towards the end of the game. For Porom, she was gimped since her weapons couldn't produce damage abilities when used in battle, it was terrible melee damage or Defend. Even though these two aren't "healers", they are hybrids, both Tellah's and FuSuYa's damage could be supplemented with combat effects from Rods.

FF5 SNES: WHM damage was bad without any abilities from other jobs set. Though, in that game, you didn't stick to a job all the way to the end of the game, you rotated jobs to acquire different skills. It is possible to have a WHM with the ability to do good weapon/bare hand damage with the right ability combinations.

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

The problem isn't that healers aren't dpsing...it's when they're doing nothing instead of dpsing . . . I'm not sure where people keep getting this from.

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They want to justify laziness.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

They want to justify laziness.

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Yeah, there have been posters in some of these threads that have claimed the time is spent on "watching HP bars and being aware of their surroundings". :D

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Originally Posted by Starflake

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Your story is with the tank who got problems not using his CD for DEFENSIVE purpose which is what tank is all about... to defend, being meat shield, keep their enmity and staying alive! Of course he is a troll.
Now healer's job is to healing, not attacking. If they want to contribute by attacking that's awesome, if not then leave them be because that's not healers main job, consider it as supplementary!

You and your kind are the one who like to stuck your nose unto people's business and pissing them off more... and the result? many of those people who you people accuse of being "bad" are changing their class role.

The level of Toxic Elitist seems increasing... just wow =.=

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Originally Posted by ximxim

Your story is with the tank who got problems not using his CD for DEFENSIVE purpose which is what tank is all about... to defend, being meat shield, keep their enmity and staying alive! Of course he is a troll.
Now healer's job is to healing, not attacking. If they want to contribute by attacking that's awesome, if not then leave them be because that's not healers main job, consider it as supplementary!

You and your kind are the one who like to stuck your nose unto people's business and pissing them off more... and the result? many of those people who you people accuse of being "bad" are changing their class role.

The level of Toxic Elitist seems increasing... just wow =.=

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Expecting people to respect each other by performing the best they are able is hardly elitism.

Can you get through a dungeon with your DPS alt tabbing netflix spamming 1,2,3. Sure, but they are hardly respecting the rest of the party.

Can you get through the dungeon with your tank never leaving tank stance, only doing small pulls, using no cooldowns, and only spamming their basic enmity combo on one target at the time? Sure, but I'm pretty sure he could be doing better if he were trying.

Can you get through a dungeon with your healer only healing while breaking the basic ABC rule for long periods of time because they "are a healer" and don't feel like DPSing? Sure, but that level of laziness is disrespectful to the rest of the party.

Saying that tanks should be using CDs while healers don't need to DPS because of the name of their job is entirely a pointless semantics argument.

Do the best that you can do. That's not elitism, that's just basic respect.

For most content if you don't DPS at all then you clearly aren't doing the best you can do.

I've been firmly on the side of healer DPS although recently I did have a fight where I broke my own rules and definitely wasn't always casting.


It was a Royal Menagarie run with great DPS but the worst tanks and cohealer I've seen in a long time. After we wiped once (which I sort of pride myself on not doing on RM, I get it enough in Trial Roulette that I know it well) I was forced to confront the truth that my tanks weren't going to help keep themselves alive and my cohealer was channeling her inner floortank.

In an effort to avert a vote abandon (because there was a newbie message so someone in the party needed the clear) I pulled. I certainly didn't have mp to spend on more than an occasional DoT but with all the healing of the raidwide damage and paper tanks I was like the off tank/off off tank.

That was clearable due to the strong DPS conttibuted by the actual DPS and also because I literally stood around sometimes to regen my mp.

My point is that the situation people bring up of having no mp to DPS does happen... but it is so rare that I don't feel it should factor in to this discussion. This is one fight with only a few more over my FFXIV playtime that was actually more clearable because I did not DPS as a healer, such a minority I would still feel confident saying that unanimously healers being expected to contribute DPS is fair and reasonable.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

My point is that the situation people bring up of having no mp to DPS does happen... but it is so rare that I don't feel it should factor in to this discussion. This is one fight with only a few more over my FFXIV playtime that was actually more clearable because I did not DPS as a healer, such a minority I would still feel confident saying that unanimously healers being expected to contribute DPS is fair and reasonable.

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This is a very important point I always realise in those discussions about healer DPS. People mix up situations to underline their statemens and opinions and keep talking about different things. Ofc they can't come to positive conclusions with that. :eek:

Like, Player A says 'Healers should not need to dps, because they might be insecure.', obviously talking about fights they don't know or leveling. Player B says 'Healers should contribute dps, because it makes fights faster and thats what farming is about.' talking about a whooooole different part of the game, where people are farming content they know how to do (as in: know how much damage is coming in, how mechanics need to be executed), but Player A and Player B keep fighting over the fact they disagree. xD
It is kinda hilarious to read. :D

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Originally Posted by Supersun

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Wow, you're talking about respect yet you push other people to play the way you want?? like what!? Something is clearly wrong with your argument. I'm done talking with you and your kin who thinks lowly for any healers who don't DPS during their playtime... elitist much?? ROFL!

Go get your shiny horse and fly as mighty as you want... we could careless.

Expecting your healer to not overheal and ABC is elitist?

If they aren't doing that, there's no ifs ands or buts,...that healer is being lazy.

Even the Netflix watching DPS at least ABCs...

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Originally Posted by ximxim

Go get your shiny horse and fly as mighty as you want... we could caress.

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Oh gosh, remove 2 letters and it becomes a line straight out some XXX fanfic.

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Originally Posted by ximxim

Now healer's job is to healing, not attacking.

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Dead enemies do no damage to the tank. The faster they die, the less the healer has to heal. DPS is a mitigation tool for healers.

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Originally Posted by ximxim

I'm done talking with you and your kin who thinks lowly for any healers who don't DPS during their playtime... elitist much.

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How dare anyone expect that their fellow players actually play the game rather than stand there between heals. The nerve....

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Originally Posted by ximxim

Wow, you're talking about respect yet you push other people to play the way you want?? like what!? Something is clearly wrong with your argument. I'm done talking with you and your kin who thinks lowly for any healers who don't DPS during their playtime... elitist much?? ROFL!

Go get your shiny horse and fly as mighty as you want... we could careless.

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There is a common pattern with some of the lower-end players in this game, they end up calling people elitist when they can't justify their play style isn't optimal.

Playing your job to your fullest potential is elitist, ok. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Dead enemies do no damage to the tank. The faster they die, the less the healer has to heal. DPS is a mitigation tool for healers.

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sounds like a counter argument. when i play healer i want to heal MORE, not less.

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Originally Posted by technole

Playing your job to your fullest potential is elitist, ok. Good luck.

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Um, that's the very definition of elitism -- expecting everybody to 100% max their potential in all situations, all the time.


Not everybody wants to keep their eyes glued to the screen, running myriads of calculations trying to find every single possible way to squeak out every possible DPS and HPS that can possibly be done.

Seriously, some of us like to just play and have fun and just do whatever and those of us who play this way still clear most content just fine. I do my EX Roulettes and my Omegas just fine. I don't go into Savage, because hey. I'm not really interested in Savage Raiding. *shrugs* I'm fine without it.

Now, I'm not a healer who just stands around and does nothing, but yet I'm not going to try to get the absolute best HPS/DPS out of every single fight, either because it is wholly unnecessary and the difference is, at best, 5% in the total time it takes to clear the dungeon (probably nowhere near even that) but yet the amount of work/effort/thought required is, in some cases, 500x.

If you, as a healer, go through lazily and only cast Cure and Cure2 during the whole dungeon, you'll survive in most cases. It will take quite awhile, though.
If you, as a healer, go through and do a reasonable job with healing and throw a few Aeros and Stone IVs, you could shave off, say, 15% off the time of the total run, but it would take about 2x amount of work.
If you, as a healer, go through and try to absolutely max your performance, you might shave another 5% or so off but would take 10x the amount of work and effort.

See the diminishing returns? You spend 10x the work to get 5% increase. And to be honest, I'm not having fun if I'm stressing over squeaking out every single drop of DPS to the point my eyes are glued to the screen and I'm mashing the button to make sure I start casting that Stone IV the very millisecond it is castable again, not wanting to lose even 0.1s of casting time.

That's just not fun. I'm sorry, but it's not.

However, I also don't want to stand around and do nothing but Regen, Cure, Cure2, and Medica. That gets bloody old too, standing there and doing nothing. I used to do that in HW because of input lag having to do with Cleric Stance. It's one of the main reasons I like healing in SB a lot more, because you don't have to deal with the lag in starting/removing stances and how stressful that was.

It's called a "Happy Medium" or a "Middle Ground" and it tends to be way more fun than either alternative.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

Um, that's the very definition of elitism -- expecting everybody to 100% max their potential in all situations, all the time.


Not everybody wants to keep their eyes glued to the screen, running myriads of calculations trying to find every single possible way to squeak out every possible DPS and HPS that can possibly be done.

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But that's not what people are expecting: they're simply expecting others to 1. be active as close to 100% of the time as possible (in other words: don't just stand there doing nothing if you can avoid it), and 2. use your whole skill set instead of just a part of it.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

I'm not having fun if I'm stressing over squeaking out every single drop of DPS to the point my eyes are glued to the screen and I'm mashing the button to make sure I start casting that Stone IV the very millisecond it is castable again, not wanting to lose even 0.1s of casting time.

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No one is asking for that...at least I know I just want to see some semblance of effort even if it isn't like a lot.

Mostly people are upset when a healer, for example, stands and stares at you for an entire pull because there is nothing to heal.

Like recently I did a Doma Castle on WAR and I had a max level mentor AST as my healer. (I was also level 70 max sync down so I didn't take a lot of damage really)

Not new, mentor status, max level already on multiple healer jobs and other roles.

I did single pulls because the DPS in the group was a bit slow (the lack of healer DPS and also one of the DPS maybe didn't know their rotation that well...but everyone but the healer was actually putting effort)...so I pull the set of three mobs and this AST uses Asp. Benefic regen on me and sits there and stares at me and does absolutely nothing for most of the pull. My HP finally dropped to 90% so they healed me with a Benefic I then went back to staring doing nothing for the next 2 minutes until the mobs finally died.

Do the next pull, 4 mobs this time before second boss. Same thing healer uses Asp. Benefic on me and sits there and stares doing nothing for the next minute while I am mitigating a lot of damage with my cooldowns and keeping myself healed. My HP finally drops to 90% they use one Benefic I on me and use Asp. Benefic again then sit and stare for another minute.

They get targetted by a circle attack that the magitek guy uses and he didn't even attempt to dodge it he just kept staring doing nothing and gets hit then finally reacts 10 seconds later and heals himself. I mean he was probably just watching a movie while the rest of his team does 95% the work.

I mean as a tank is it okay if I just use overpower 3-4 times and then sit there and do nothing except use mitigation? I mean doing damage isn't my job right? I can easily hold hate after a couple overpowers and then just sit there untarget the mobs and simply just tank and use cooldowns without bothering to use any weapon skills :/

I had a healer in susano ex yesterday who absolutely couldn't stand for anyone to be on less than 100% hp at any time, ever.

Which meant that right at the beginning of the fight, they stood there for several gcds and used cure1 over my excog. They never even threw the insta cast dot out.

I did not get to do ANY HEALING. AT ALL. in that fight. The only time they weren't obsessively curespamming the tank was when they got stunned for lightning, at which point I just tossed an excog on the tank and kept dpsing (It didn't even go off because as soon as they were unstunned they went right back to curespam).

I felt so... pointless. They had plenty of time to dps, and would have had even more if they'd used their full toolkit rather than just curespamming whenever the tank got tickled. I don't get why people are so allergic to dps...

I probably parsed quite well though, so I guess we have that.

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Originally Posted by Taika

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The problem is, though, is that they talk like they very much DO expect utter perfection, regardless of whether or not they actually mean it.

And there ARE times where standing still for a few seconds is beneficial, such as when something is almost dead and there's no real point in trying to squeeze that one last Stone IV in before it dies (which the DPS will probably have it dead before you even finish casting anyways), or when there's 2-3 mobs left but they all have 10% left... might as well just regenerate some MP. *shrug*

What I'm trying to say is just let the healer do his job, while you stick to doing your own job. Unless it is an egregious example of them standing still for 5+ seconds at a time between Cures, then just let them be. They might have a reason as to why they're idle.

As a tank myself i rather want to be healed with my pt, than a healer that goes full DPS and ignores its main job. If they can throw in some dots that's fine, but not necessary. Healers should never be forced to DPS if they aren't comfortable with it. When I'm on my scholar I do DPS and heal but that also depends on the skills of my party group and gear. Whatever bs OP is blanting, just ignore this and do whatever play style you prefer.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

The problem is, though, is that they talk like they very much DO expect utter perfection, regardless of whether or not they actually mean it.

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No one said anything about 100% healer DPS percentile, absolute every-GCD correct skill to be used. Effort to be active, which is blatantly obvious or not is learning to be optimal. Over time as a healer knows damage/mechanical patterns like in Susano Ex, they are able to push more globals to heal less or do more damage. People just want to see effort, not stand-around and be a heal bot, that's not asking for perfection nor is it expected.

I'm beginning to wonder if people are even reading what the OP said or if they're just joining to spout some nonsense in an effort to protect healers from the "horror" that is dpsing. OP is talking about healers who stand idle for extended periods of time and yet we keep getting people saying things like

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Originally Posted by Madepossible

As a tank myself i rather want to be healed with my pt, than a healer that goes full DPS and ignores its main job.

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which has absolutely nothing to do with OP's argument whatsoever. And people wonder why these threads never disappear.

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Originally Posted by Miste

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If this is all true, it sounds like you had a bot for a healer using a script that did exactly what you said. Bene 1 if tank get below 90%, other than that keep up asp.ben suring battles. It is much harder to script movement out of AoE telegraphs (not even sure it is possible) so that totally sounds like a bot.

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Originally Posted by Maku

If this is all true, it sounds like you had a bot for a healer using a script that did exactly what you said. Bene 1 if tank get below 90%, other than that keep up asp.ben suring battles. It is much harder to script movement out of AoE telegraphs (not even sure it is possible) so that totally sounds like a bot.

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If only so many real healers wouldn't play exactly like that. :D

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Originally Posted by Maeka

The problem is, though, is that they talk like they very much DO expect utter perfection, regardless of whether or not they actually mean it.

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Can you show me some examples of the posts that clearly ask for utter perfection from healer players? A while ago someone was claiming the same and then I went through a couple of latest healer DPS threads and picked some examples of how the comments did not seem to reflect an expectation for perfection but instead, like I've said, expectation for making an effort:

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

As for the rest of these posts, the point is that people want to see EFFORT. Nobody's expecting big dicl numbers, especially out of DF of all things. However, you're generally supposed to ASK for a sherpa instead of being lazy and trying to get a free carry.

There's also a thing called context. If you're brand new to an instance, nobody's gonna be mad at you for trying to feel it out. Even if you end up the worst at your role, most will forgive if it looks like you tried. I think that's all anyone's asking

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Originally Posted by Tharne

That's the only thing reasonable people are asking, if during an entire fight you need to heal then no problem you don't have the time to do damage but if you only need to heal during 50% of the fight you should do something (not nothing) during the other 50%.

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Originally Posted by dlgc

We are not expecting you to contribute the most damage output, nor ask you to abandon your primary role. When there is a wide time-frame in which no healing is needed, instead of reading about Toenail Fungus, or watching the latest episode of Log Horizon, or etc., why not throw in a few skills. . . at least some dots to help things along?

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

General rule of thumb: you don't have to be a pro MLG high DPS healer for people to be happy with your performance, so long as you have some awareness of when your party is taking damage and when you have downtime. You should learn your toolkit and find the skills which give you downtime (regen, aspects benefic, rouse), and at least weave in some sort of DPS just so you aren't idling, because it's the idling that people notice, not your damage numbers

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

When we are talking about dps on healer, we're not expecting everyone to do 1000 dps.
If every healer just use dots, the very least, it would be enough to stop yelling at those who "don't want to dps because blabla".

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Originally Posted by Purrsnikitty

What people are asking for:

- Heal when healing is necessary. If your party is taking too much damage it is okay to not DPS.
- If you find yourself standing around, throw some dots on, cast a few damage skills.
- Use your time wisely. If you aren't comfortable with the dungeon no one is going to get on you, but if you can contribute please do.

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Please open up the party finder, and tell me you don't see :

"Skip mechanics or kick"
"High DPS or kick"
"Healer DPS or kick."
"Know the fight perfectly"
"2 mistakes --> kick"
"One mistake, disband!"
"No bad please"

All these, I can see just now, just by a quick glance at the Party Finder. So yeah, nobody's expecting perfection, everybody's waiting for average players to join along, ikr.
They are even so exceptionnal, that most Susano Ex farm parties see enrage at 15-20%, these damn elites are so damn stronk. (even with Healers dps'ing, in case you were wondering)

Even FC recruitments or static recruitments are the same. I mean come on, no need to be hypocritical, you won't ever see a PF saying "Static X recruits an average player with an average understanding of his job", not even from the casual statics.

That puts a ton of stress on players - not just healers - there's no denying it, and it should be easily understandable that some healers refuse to dps because of it, just like some dps don't care about optimizing anymore, or tanks who improvise rotations along the way, because anyway, players that have expectations of you will always find something to blame you for.