There Is No Dancer (yet)

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

Whether or not the lady in the trailer was a DNC aside, I just remembered something. SE loves to use their franchises as much as they can, like with Biggs and Wedge being in plenty of FF games, as well as Cid. Suppose that name, Arylon could actually be the name of the lady in the teaser? Or, maybe more of a stretch, what if Yda is not Yda's real name... but it's Arylon? Princess Arylon?

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The lady in the trailer is most definitely not Yda. Yda has a neck tattoo. This woman doesn't.

After reading most of this post, I can understand what the OP was trying to say. For the moment all is speculation, until we have confirmation from SE that DNC is one of the 3 new jobs. The teaser trailer and artwork is not enough evidence. Saying that DNC confirmed 100% with so little evidence is just wishfull thinking.

Ok instead of me continuing to feed the arguments, I have a theory.

Some people say that in the trailer they used some of the monk forms like fists of fire and fists of wind. Now with that in mind remember what was mentioned at the fest about the battle system getting updated, and useless skills getting repurposed. Featherfoot isn't the only pointless skill in the monks endgame arsenal, two of our forms can't ever be used during an endgame battle by any means: the fists of wind and the fists of earth. So, what if the devs update the other two forms to change the monks fighting style? And not just change the fighting style, but change the abilities as well to suit the different form of martial arts?

We'll use the trailer as a good example for that. If the forms did get repurposed then the monk could change their style to suit that form as said before. The fists of fire being a more offence, heavy attacker focused form. The fists of wind being, perhaps a more lightweight and flowing form like how the woman in the trailer was. Maybe something that promotes fast attacks and evasion. The fists of earth would be a tough one to pin down, obviously since it was a form used for defense at earlier levels, maybe it would promote a higher defense and could possibly focus on something like counterattacking, or using the damage they receive to buff themselves.

Just some speculation there on my part. If there are any martial artists on this forum that would like to help elaborate on this, please do.

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Originally Posted by Crysten

ITT: If it walks like a monk, talks like a monk, does tai-chi-esque martial arts movements like a monk, punches like a monk, kicks like a monk, chakras like a monk but wears a pretty dress, then it must be a friggin' Dancer

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This. And not only this but if it is a Dancer, it's so similar to monk I fear for job identity between the two.

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Originally Posted by Xiao_

this is absolutely valid and honestly the best argument against. a lot of things happen in cutscenes that we will never have the opportunity to do

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Actually, way back when, Bard used to cross conjurer.

That is the reason that cinematic had the bard casting protect.

So are we getting

Dancer
Red Mage

So far?

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Originally Posted by Mature

So are we getting

Dancer
Red Mage

So far?

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We have nothing confirmed.

We have a very strong hint that Red Mage will be included (Scarlet Witch T-Shirt)

We have some subtle hints that Dancer will be included (i.e. Yellow Ranger pose)

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

We have nothing confirmed.

We have a very strong hint that Red Mage will be included (Scarlet Witch T-Shirt)

We have some subtle hints that Dancer will be included (i.e. Yellow Ranger pose)

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Zenos yae Galvus uses a katana and dresses like a Yojimbo cosplayer, so maybe Samurai?

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Originally Posted by SessionZero

Zenos yae Galvus uses a katana and dresses like a Yojimbo cosplayer, so maybe Samurai?

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Potentially, but there is no precedence that an antagonist is a hint at a playable job.

Conversely, there is precedent that Yoshi's T-Shirts are hints (see FanFest for Heavensward). Also, someone claimed that the rangers from the Moonfire event were supposed to hint at new jobs and the Yellow pose = DNC FFXI pose. I don't have a source on Yoshi saying they are a hint, but there is a comparison image on page 11 of this thread.

I feel pretty confident that was dancer we witnessed in the trailer. Its a teaser trailer, and it clearly put a lot of emphasis on the lady in red twirling around and dancing, and did so right as she was introduced in the video. Very very intentional there, and clearly set up to illicit excitement and cheers from the crowd. As the trailer draws near that iconic end with the two face to face in the air, we see them fly back and stand opposite one another. The monk winds back and does a stomp as he postures, the lady in red however twirls on one foot before jumping. Everything about her was more elegent in style. Dancer is often depicted with these flowing garments (and almost always red) that they wirl around, just as she does in the trailer. If it ISNT a dancer then why is over half the trailer spent on them? Why a woman? why the attire? Why the dancing? I think its all very clear what she is, and why she is so prominent in the trailer. The trailer gives us a glimpse into the culture we will be entering into with regards to ala mhigo, and I think Dancer fits that culture better than any other class. Dancer and monk will likely be very central to the the story in this new land. Both share martial styles and hand 2 hand combat, and both will share in this culture. It is a fitting job addition given the theme and culture.

So who do I think we are actually looking at here? I think it is Yda's younger sister, a dancer.



http://dlgames.square-enix.com/fft/img/jobs/c19_en.png

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Originally Posted by Krazymagic

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They spent over half the trailer on her b/c she's the central NPC character for the expansion. The Amano artwork features her. Even the logo features her front and center. It's been rumored that it's either Yda or her sister. I'd be betting it's her sister though. As to her being a dancer, no just no. Dancers don't have flaming stance modes which clearly she was using in the trailer and that stance is a martial arts stance the chinese use in kun fu and such. They already confirmed that Monk will be the main job for the new expansion. There's no reason they'd reveal a new job in that first trailer of the expansion. She's a monk plain and simple. The only glimmer of hope that I would give the theory that she's a Dancer is that her right hand has a small gauntlet housing a dagger that comes out. You can see it in the Amano artwork and in the logo. But by all means the trailer was showing two monks sparring. The derplander as a monk, and whoever the new girl is. Also Dancers are a healer support dps job, they don't go super saiyan and use shoulder tackle which is clearly what they were using in the trailer.

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Originally Posted by Krazymagic

http://dlgames.square-enix.com/fft/img/jobs/c19_en.png

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I'm fully behind the idea of what we've seen was a Dancer. Not a monk nor a samurai.

I wonder what will it be its relic or anima? Her gear thingy?

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Originally Posted by Kiyashi

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Going to echo this here - I'm willing to bet that this NPC is related to Yda in some way, a sibling wouldn't be too far of a stretch.

What people are quick to not pay attention to is the lore of Ala Mihgo centres mainly around the Fist of Rhalgr - the order of Monks that were wiped out by the last King of Ala Mihgo (Theodoric) before the Garleans took it over. I'd say that she's likely a surviving member of the Order, if not a member of the royal family, anyway.

Eh I dunno why it couldn't be a dancer. The Corpse Brigade in Southern Thanalan are old members of the Ala Mhigan army and the enemies from there are Firedancers and Fistdancers. I forget the name for the sword bearers that show up in the one FATE in the zone, but again flagged as a somethingdancer. It's not that outlandish a notion that dancer is coming, since clearly it's tied to Ala Mhigo already.

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Originally Posted by Crysten

The lady in the trailer is most definitely not Yda. Yda has a neck tattoo. This woman doesn't.

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Don't have to be Yda to be a Monk, because Yda is just a Pugilist. Scion members don't have jobs, only classes. Even Thranced, after giving up his Gladiator class, is still just a Rogue now and not a Ninja.

Raubahn Aldynn, the Dancer. In their epic showdown, Raubahn and Ilberd are going to have a dance-off. The dance-off will take place at the edge of Rhalgr's Reach, where the process will occur in three phases:

Phase 1: They expose their bare-chested muscles for the world to see, beginning their dance-off with oily muscle twitches...
Phase 2: They do the pelvic thrust that really drives us insane...
Phase 3: The dance-off reaches its climax, when both big, sweaty men start working that good ol' jazz ballet, spraying onlookers with droplets of sweat as they sway, swing, and leap, skip, jump this way and that...

And that, my friends, is why the Dancer is confirmed.

I'd like to point out that it's not uncommon for Dancers to use hand to hand. In FFXI, while daggers were their best weapon, dancers were able to use hand to hand and knuckle weapons. Even the Dancers in campaign used Hand to Hand and not dagger. So the argument that people are saying that because the red woman in the trailer because she uses fists so therefore mnk is not proof enough. We don't know what weapon Dancers will have, we might have the first job that repeats weapons (if we keep adding jobs it will be inevitable). The lady in red is clearly different and not your typical hand to hand fighter. I really do believe it is dancer and that it's martial arts based it's not far out of the realm of possibilities.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Honestly, up to this point they have not showcased any of the new jobs in any cinematic. This would be the first.

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This is bugging me. Up until now, we've had exactly two cinematic teasers: one for Heavensward, and one for Stormblood. Claiming that the very first has set some sort of recurring theme that all those thereafter must follow just seems to be reaching for straws. "They didn't do this the first time; they can't possibly have done this the second time." Please.

Unless you don't mean only the expansion teasers. In which case, the Heavensward launch trailer shows the new jobs. They just didn't show it to us until they'd already told us about them.

Or do you mean the ARR trailer? That one showed every single one of the -zero- new jobs we got.

And before then... well, I'm having trouble finding anything from 1.x apart from the opening cinematic. I can recall there being a archer, conjuror, gladiator and marauder fighting the marlboro -- all brand new classes at the time. Jobs were apparently introduced around patch 1.2, but if there's a cinematic teaser or trailer for that patch, I can't find it.

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If any of you actually watched the trailer closely, you could easily draw the conclusion. If you watch the trailer again at 0.25x speed when they start fighting, a long red sleeve comes out her gauntlet as she swipes down on him. Also you'll notice a "Golden" line as well which would be the hidden blade. In FF Tactics Dancers used "Cloth" as a weapon or dagger in other instances, this incorporates both. Some people say "Oh but she's using Monk moves", Dancer is a subclass from Monk, duh. Others speculate "Red Mage" being released because Yoshida said something about Scarlet Witch. Obviously it's not a coincidence that the chakra of said dancer is "Red". Yoshida could be playing mind games.

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If Yoshi's shirt was talking about dancer and not red mage there would be soooo many pissed people but also would be really funny. lol I like that idea just for that! lol

I rather think Dancer would be appropriate for the expansion. I also like to think the woman in the picture is a Dancer. Doesn't mean either of those things will be true, but those are my personal perspectives. I think the woman showed off a good AF gear look for a Dancer. I also feel like Dancer -should- be similar to monk aesthetically in many ways, and that the trailer made the similarities good enough. What'll really separate the two is gameplay, and that's what I'm interested in learning about, should Dancer be one of the new jobs.

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

The outfit does look very elegant and dancer-like, and that could be all that theyre teasing whether its a new glamour or actual dnc gear.

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I hope it is MNK AF3 (female version) ^^

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Originally Posted by Pells

This is bugging me. Up until now, we've had exactly two cinematic teasers: one for Heavensward, and one for Stormblood. Claiming that the very first has set some sort of recurring theme that all those thereafter must follow just seems to be reaching for straws. "They didn't do this the first time; they can't possibly have done this the second time." Please.

Unless you don't mean only the expansion teasers. In which case, the Heavensward launch trailer shows the new jobs. They just didn't show it to us until they'd already told us about them.

Or do you mean the ARR trailer? That one showed every single one of the -zero- new jobs we got.

And before then... well, I'm having trouble finding anything from 1.x apart from the opening cinematic. I can recall there being a archer, conjuror, gladiator and marauder fighting the marlboro -- all brand new classes at the time. Jobs were apparently introduced around patch 1.2, but if there's a cinematic teaser or trailer for that patch, I can't find it.

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The "New" jobs for 2.0 were Summoner and Scholar. The End of an Era trailer only showed WAR, BRD, PLD, WHM, and BLM. SMN and SCH were not shown.The heavensward trailer ONLY showcased the WoL as a WAR then him as a DRG with a bunch of DRG. Not DRK, MCH, and AST. We got an in game look at them AFTER they were officially announced. This trailer is showing two MNKs. The girl is not a Dancer.

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

Another note is that this is a cinematic "they arent monk moves shes doing:
Do dragoons have 4 hit combos while midair like in the hw trailer? no? But they showed it! Those are drg moves!

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Didn't dragoons get a four hit combo with the addition of 'Wheeling Thrust' and 'Fang and Claw' in Heavensward?

True, it's not executed in midair in-game. That bit was probably a flight of fancy.

I'd expect any trailer to be a mix of fact and style.

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Originally Posted by Pells

Or do you mean the ARR trailer? That one showed every single one of the -zero- new jobs we got.

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No Summoner and no Scholar in the ARR trailer

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Originally Posted by Felis

I hope it is MNK AF3 (female version) ^^

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Doubtful. The devs have thus far stuck pretty firmly to keeping Male/Female designs of the same equipment mostly the same. Seems far more likely what her sparring partner the WoL was wearing is the Monk AF3. So in the event that the girl isn't a Dancer, thus making it the Dancer Artifact Set, it's far more likely that it's a unique outfit for her as an NPC.

Which means cashshop. Woo...

Lol this argument is like the WOD argument. So many people where %100 positive that the WOD would not be actual characters, because they refused to have an open mind or speculate the possibilities that they were more than just cinematic stand ins. Those closed minded people were proven wrong. Let people have fun and speculate. That's the fun of not knowing.

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Lol this argument is like the WOD argument. So many people where %100 positive that the WOD would not be actual characters, because they refused to have an open mind or speculate the possibilities that they were more than just cinematic stand ins. Those closed minded people were proven wrong. Let people have fun and speculate. That's the fun of not knowing.

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Right? Right now is the fun time and excitement of the numerous possibilities we can have and people just want to crush peoples dreams for really no reason at all other than to be contrarian. Let our imaginations run wild and enjoy the anticipation and hype! It doesn't come around often. :P

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Originally Posted by Lyshell

Right? Right now is the fun time and excitement of the numerous possibilities we can have and people just want to crush peoples dreams for really no reason at all other than to be contrarian. Let our imaginations run wild and enjoy the anticipation and hype! It doesn't come around often. :P

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Speculation is great! Have fun! Just keep it within the realm of possibilities. Dancer may just be a job we get. If so, awesome! I welcome it. However, I also know how this community can be. They'll run with the wildest theory and when their little bubble get's burst by the reality of the situation, 1000 threads will pop up with "I'm disappointed with ____________, How dare S.E turn their backs on their greatest fans/supporters, (insert speculated job here) was confirmed! Why are they backtracking now!" doom and gloom, over and over and over.

So most of us, are trying to keep the speculation within the realm of possibility by presenting fact.

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Originally Posted by Lyshell

Right? Right now is the fun time and excitement of the numerous possibilities we can have and people just want to crush peoples dreams for really no reason at all other than to be contrarian. Let our imaginations run wild and enjoy the anticipation and hype! It doesn't come around often. :P

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It's all fun and games right up until they announce the new jobs and it doesn't include Dancer, then everyone grabs their pitch forks and torches because Dancer was already confirmed by the woman in red doing monk attacks.

Personally, I think Dancer has a high probability of being one of the jobs unless they only implement two, in which case it'll undoubtedly be Red Mage and Samurai (based off of 2015 Rising Event). I just don't think the trailer is anyway related to Dancer as, other than her outfit, all of her moves are identifiable monk moves.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Speculation is great! Have fun! Just keep it within the realm of possibilities. Dancer may just be a job we get. If so, awesome! I welcome it. However, I also know how this community can be. They'll run with the wildest theory and when their little bubble get's burst by the reality of the situation, 1000 threads will pop up with "I'm disappointed with ____________, How dare S.E turn their backs on their greatest fans/supporters, (insert speculated job here) was confirmed! Why are they backtracking now!" and and gloom over and over and over.

So most of us, are trying to keep the speculation within the realm of possibility by presenting fact.

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Have seen people make this claim a few times, but I've never seen it. Do you have any examples? I am not trying to argue, I am legit curious about what examples there are.

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

Lol this argument is like the WOD argument. So many people where %100 positive that the WOD would not be actual characters

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Wait, what ? We obviously saw Elidibus talking with the WoD at the end of HW (The first time that the name was even dropped in the game), how could someone say that this would not be a character ?!

Wasn't the debate closer to "Is the WoD the character we see in the cutscenes ?", for which this answer is actually "No, it's not".

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Originally Posted by Lyshell

Right? Right now is the fun time and excitement of the numerous possibilities we can have and people just want to crush peoples dreams for really no reason at all other than to be contrarian. Let our imaginations run wild and enjoy the anticipation and hype! It doesn't come around often. :P

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Or the small fact that there is really no compelling evidence to the Dancer theory. We totally might get a dancer. It has been requested since pretty much 1.0 so it will come sooner than later. But the red woman is a monk. Every single piece of legit evidence points to her being a monk.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Come on, a flowy gown no matter how pretty does NOT equal dancer. As far as game programming goes, you can still be a monk in a dress. I don't know why people are running with this, but so far we have no proof that dancer is happening. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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Druid confirmed.

Just to be contrarian? More like they wanna point out that there's no legit evidence in favor for the DNC theory other than wild speculation. It's not vindictive to try to temper ones expectations with reality.

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Speculation is great! Have fun! Just keep it within the realm of possibilities. Dancer may just be a job we get. If so, awesome! I welcome it. However, I also know how this community can be. They'll run with the wildest theory and when their little bubble get's burst by the reality of the situation, 1000 threads will pop up with "I'm disappointed with ____________, How dare S.E turn their backs on their greatest fans/supporters, (insert speculated job here) was confirmed! Why are they backtracking now!" and and gloom over and over and over.

So most of us, are trying to keep the speculation within the realm of possibility by presenting fact.

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Completely agree! That's the other side of the spectrum as well. And if Dancer isn't a job I will be sad and disappointed but I'm not gonna pout and throw a tantrum lol So yeah I totally agree those people shouldn't whine and moan and start the SE hate if they are wrong.

But still we need to have fun! Run wild screw the realistic possibilities and lets dream!

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Or the small fact that there is really no compelling evidence to the Dancer theory. We totally might get a dancer. It has been requested since pretty much 1.0 so it will come sooner than later. But the red woman is a monk. Every single piece of legit evidence points to her being a monk.

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Originally Posted by KaitlanKela

Just to be contrarian? More like they wanna point out that there's no legit evidence in favor for the DNC theory other than wild speculation. It's not vindictive to try to temper ones expectations with reality.

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I feel this is an exaggeration. There is ample evidence to suggest a Dancer, while not enough to confirm it. It's a perfect amount to create speculation. See my post on page 10 of this thread, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...8yet%29/page10

Also, note that the evidence points toward her being a Pugilist, not a Monk.

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Originally Posted by TheMax1087

While I have my doubts about it being dancer, it has to be pointed out that the animations she used in the trailer were exclusively pugilist abilities(demolish, snap punch, featherfoot, and fist of wind), so they could go the silly split soulstone route again.

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People still said that was just a stand in even though it was an in game clip and that we would be fighting ourself.

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Originally Posted by KaitlanKela

Just to be contrarian? More like they wanna point out that there's no legit evidence in favor for the DNC theory other than wild speculation. It's not vindictive to try to temper ones expectations with reality.

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While I do agree that there are plenty of people who indeed not simply being contrarian; pointing out holes in some facets of the speculation and raising very valid counterpoints for "Just a Monk", I feel like there are plenty of those who are being pretty vindictive in trying to shut down any speculation otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

• A solid 10% of the video focuses on her dancing. This is a pretty significant chunk of time that alludes to a dancer only for Square to back out and say "Got you!"

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I'd say this is not "Dancing" but kata training. Really close to what Yang and/or his daughter do in the opening CG for FF IV DS and After Years.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

• Her movements are clearly more fluid than his (which are quite rigid)

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Yes, because she's more trained than him.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

• During the video she uses her feet more and moves around more, while he remains more stationary and punches more

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Several monk skills use kick instead of punches. In fact, the first active skill we ever see a Monk have is Kick (Yang again)

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

• The expansion artwork appears to show 1 of each job in the game (Mind you I've only been able to identify BRD, PLD, DRK, MNK, DRG, NIN only, but have counted 16 jobs - current 13+3. I also suspect that bird above may be Garuda-Egi). Monk is clearly to the ladies right, which either means they have 2 Monks in the image with 1 of every other job (and we're getting 2 new ones), or she is a separate job and we are getting 3 new ones. (or I miscounted?).

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Some people also speculate that the two silhouettes we saw at Fan Fest pointed to only two new jobs.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

• The Rangers in the summer were said to be "hints" of upcoming jobs. I am not sure on this, but I read somewhere someone said that the Yellow Ranger pose is identical to a Dancer pose in FFXI?

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The fact that we can have a Dancer doesn't imply that the woman is a Dancer. Until now, no trailer has been used to reveal something prior to the actual annoucement. You could also say that one of the ranger being covered in red could be a hint to RDM. Or maybe they were using skills in combat that could imply something else (I, personaly don't remember if they did)

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I'd say this is not "Dancing" but kata training. Really close to what Yang and/or his daughter do in the opening CG for FF VI DS and After Years.

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I am not familiar with the reference. Though, the argument makes sense. It appears like a dance to me, and I am not very familiar with martial arts to compare.

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Yes, because she's more trained than him.

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Except she uses only Pugilist abilities and he uses Monk ones.

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Several monk skills use kick instead of punches. In fact, the first active skill we ever see a Monk have is Kick (Yang again)

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I am fully aware that Monks in the game kick. This was to point out that they are making an active effort in the cutscene to differentiate their fighting style. Whether that is because she is a Dancer, or because of some other reason, I have no idea.

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Some people also speculate than the two silhouettes we saw at Fan Fest pointed to only two jobs.

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I am one of those people, actually ;) Tough to say though, we'll see what we get.

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The fact that we can have a Dancer doesn't imply that the woman is a Dancer. Until now, no trailer has been used to reveal something prior to the actual annoucement. You could also say that one of the ranger being covered in red could be a hint to RDM. Or maybe they were using skills in combat that could imply something else (I, personaly don't remember if they did)

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Agreed, this is more supporting evidence than evidence in and of itself/


I would say the most compelling evidence to me is the focus on her weapon in the artwork. This could simply be that the weapon has story significance (Royalty etc.), but it's focused on both of the revealed artworks I linked above. That is too much to ignore.

All of that said, I appreciate your response and like that you addressed points individually and directly - rather than just making some blanket statement about grasping at straws or having no evidence etc. I would say though that while your answers provide explanations, there is nothing to say they are the correct explanations - just one possibility.