Am I the only one feeling very sad about the "Favour" system being an april fool?

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Originally Posted by Siobahn

Vast minority, huh? Got some numbers to throw out, or are you just spilling BS out of your dick holster? Last I checked, there are games without features like this that have more subs than ARR.

http://wow.joystiq.com/2014/02/06/wo...n-subscribers/

That says over 7 million WoW subscribers

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/

That says 1.8 million.

There are some numbers for you. Welcome to the vast minority. Go back to fapping to cat porn.

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WoW also has 10 years behind it. It also does have some features similar to this, though it's bare boned- You can befriend certain NPCs and invite them to come work on your property with you. WoW also has dedicated RP servers, which are very popular, because believe it or not some people enjoy the RP part of MMORPG. Aside from everything else I could say here, I think it funny you seem to believe that the same people who work on servers and battle systems and such would be the ones to do this feature if it were real. They have different teams to do different things, and I highly doubt the folks that work on battle would be doing quest and npc stories, since that's essentially what this is.

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Originally Posted by Totobi

Can't you just write creepy fanfics instead?

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Why didn't I think of that? Why don't I just write a whole Final Fantasy game myself instead while I'm at it? Genius.
I shouldn't play an RPG and want extra depth in my character interactions with my favorite NPCs, that's dumb and creepy apparently. I need to write fanfics instead because Roleplaying games aren't meant for roleplayers like myself apparently.

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Originally Posted by Saiyakupo

Why didn't I think of that? Why don't I just write a whole Final Fantasy game myself instead while I'm at it? Genius.
I shouldn't play an RPG and want extra depth in my character interactions with my favorite NPCs, that's dumb and creepy apparently. I need to write fanfics instead because Roleplaying games aren't meant for roleplayers like myself apparently.

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Oh, so everything else on offer isn't enough. This isn't an RPG until you can make an NPC your waifu? What happens when you meet twenty other roleplayers all claiming your waifu? Why does extra depth have to involve you getting in a characters pants?

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Originally Posted by Totobi

Oh, so everything else on offer isn't enough. This isn't an RPG until you can make an NPC your waifu? What happens when you meet twenty other roleplayers all claiming your waifu? Why does extra depth have to involve you getting in a characters pants?

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Here's a tip:

Don't like it?

Don't do it.

Problem solved for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

Here's a tip:

Don't like it?

Don't do it.

Problem solved for everyone.

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Would rather they not waste time on something pathetic like this when more important features can be worked on.

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Originally Posted by Totobi

Would rather they not waste time on something pathetic like this when more important features can be worked on.

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And just as many people would prefer they do this to more dungeons which people will have on farm status within a day.

You personally may not find it important, but plenty of people do. Not everyone wants all the new content to be dungeons or raids or anything involving battle, quite frankly I think a lot of people get tired of constantly fighting things each new patch. Plenty of people would prefer more "fun" or quirky content, such as a companion system/favour system, retainer weirdness, etc. Believe it or not, some people actually get bored of nothing but battle-oriented content. Adding extra "fluff" content helps add to the longevity of an MMO just as much as dungeon and raid content does.

And regardless of what you personally feel, SE can and will do whatever they want. If more people want this, they'll probably try to implement a system like this. And just because they'd be working on non-combat content doesn't mean they would completely drop any and all development for dungeon/raid content, yknow. They CAN do both.

I'd like to see a similar system, or something akin to ventures or the beastmen dailies.
Like, do something for the scions, and raise points with the group as a whole and get to know them better.

I know people saw it and immediately probably saw 'romance sims' and cringed, but I couldn't help but draw parallels to Bioware's party system. It'd be really interesting to go on quests for specific NPC's like Yda and learn more about them and become better acquainted. However this would require a lot of extra writing, and we don't know how long the scions will be relevant when the expansions open. While it'd be great to start a system like this, would it set a precedent to continue it into the new expansions?
We don't really know whats to come in the future so its hard to say, but I would still really like NPC related quests to go on and story missions with each of them. ): Sounds like a blast.

I'm personally in the camp that wants SE to add a favour system. I've always been a fan of side-content in these MMOs. When I played WoW, I went out of my way to level my reputation with factions, even ones that weren't relevant anymore, like the Thorium Brotherhood or Argent Dawn. In both WoW and GW2, I explored every inch of the map finding every single hidden thing there is. And now, in FFXIV, I've been dabbling in crafting and gathering, I enjoy the Beast Tribe dailies and do them every day, and I basically try out everything there is to do in the game.

If SE were to add a Favour system, I think it'd be awesome, even if it was limited to specific NPCs, like the Scions. I mean, who wouldn't want to be drinking buddies with Yda, or hear about Thancred's various adventures both before and after joining the Scions? Heck, Thancred sorta reminds me of Zidane, but with white hair and no monkey tail...

I want it, that is one thing SWTOR did right no other MMO has, the fact that you can forge relationships in an MMO. Yeah others have the same companions but I never care because it is my story and my relationships that are important, that and I do enjoy dating simulations to an extent whether it is something small like Harvest Moon or ME to a bigger sim like Sims.

I'd love for something like the Favour system to be implemented. Although I have a feeling Thancred's questline would be very short. X3

...SE would probably stop short of letting you actually romance characters though, it would influence too much of the following storyline. But getting to go on side missions and learn more about your favorite characters? I can see that happening. thancred and I are just friends. good friends.

Saw that troll attempt coming miles away. It's like the Trust NPC system without any of the trust.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Unrelated and disingenuous argument, topped by a silly personal attack.

WoW doesn't have 7 million subscribers BECAUSE it doesn't have this feature, and there goes your card castle, collapsing upon itself.

Try an actually solid argument next time. Oh wait, you don't have one.

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Congrats on being the biggest idiot to which I have ever spoken. You completely missed the entire point of the argument, then you make yourself look like more of an idiot with your incompetent attempt at a comeback. Let me spell it out for you, since you're slow.

1. WoW has 7 million subs because it's a better game. You can argue all you want, but in the real world, something is judged by its popularity, and since WoW is 7 times more popular.... well, even you can get that point.

2. The reason #1 is true is because Blizzard's devs don't waste time with systems like Favour, FATE, Glamour, or housing. Instead, they focus on what the MMO community wants, such as viable PVP, decent raid content, gear choices, and an ECONOMY.

3. I made a comment about my opinion of this feature, and you attacked me. You made some arbitrary comment, backed it up with zero data, and expected no retort? In the educated community, there are methods of constructing arguments, and you missed the boat. May I suggest a book to help with your short-comings?

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Originally Posted by Siobahn

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Blizzard's devs don't waste time with systems like Favour, FATE, Glamour, or housing. Instead, they focus on what the MMO community wants, such as viable PVP, decent raid content, gear choices, and an ECONOMY.

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This post made me laugh out loud.

1. I quit wow because it became about farming the same 5 dungeons over and over.

2. We don't care about WoW numbers.

3. We and most other players love most of those things you mentioned, your argument is invalid.

4. WoW has a bizllion subscribers cuz it had an entire episode of an extremely retarded and extremely popular TV show based around it.

5. You also just have no idea what you're talking about.


To all the people that want to build favour with Thancred: I'm in your boat, proudly waving the "THANCRED IS MY BESTIE." Flag forever. I have yet to start the game again as a lady character. I want to see for myself how cute he is and what he says omgggg.

A favour system after all of that interaction would make that experience ten thousand times more sweet.

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Originally Posted by Siobahn

C1. WoW has 7 million subs because it's a better game. You can argue all you want, but in the real world, something is judged by its popularity, and since WoW is 7 times more popular.... well, even you can get that point.

2. The reason #1 is true is because Blizzard's devs don't waste time with systems like Favour, FATE, Glamour, or housing. Instead, they focus on what the MMO community wants, such as viable PVP, decent raid content, gear choices, and an ECONOMY.

3. I made a comment about my opinion of this feature, and you attacked me. You made some arbitrary comment, backed it up with zero data, and expected no retort? In the educated community, there are methods of constructing arguments, and you missed the boat. May I suggest a book to help with your short-comings?

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1.) Wow has millions of subscribers because of "family" and "friends" joining to play with the ones that actually subscribed. Why do you think they dropped from 12mil subscribers steadily to the 7m you see now ever since cataclysm?

I'm glad Cataclysm and MoP finally got the people I knew to quit. I've been wanting to move on ever since burning crusade. Only put up with WoW because of friends and family and they have all moved on from WoW.

2.) Warlords of Dreanor is exactly just that. They've been promising those changes since Wrath of the Lich King and they've never really delivered on Transmogrification while updated models, and new dance moves have always ended up being neglected. And you forget what Mist of Panderia brought to WoW. Gardening, Pet battles, and now they are introducing Garrison. Warlords of Dreanor is anything but what you're bringing up.

If it was there would be more Raids and more Dungeons than what they have announced. As for viable PvP would actually mean that PvE and PvP would be separate because PvP is one of the reasons why WoW has suffered. Nerfing classes to oblivion and then using it as their pretext why they don't release new classes as well.

3.) You opinion started with an statement that attacked others simply because they enjoy a feature you wont or don't by generalizing them into a creepy stalker category.

You are no victim.

I'm reading from a lot of comments that the Favour system should stop short of romancing characters, to which I agree. I'd love to be able to carry on solid friendships with members of the Scion, and albeit as cute as Thancred is, not sure he's my type romantically. He'd make a great ally though I suspect :D

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Originally Posted by SailorAli

I'm reading from a lot of comments that the Favour system should stop short of romancing characters, to which I agree. I'd love to be able to carry on solid friendships with members of the Scion, and albeit as cute as Thancred is, not sure he's my type romantically. He'd make a great ally though I suspect :D

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There's a lot of possibilities. Romance isn't the only option yet it is still a potential option that can bring a lot of benefits.

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Originally Posted by Chiral

I'd love for something like the Favour system to be implemented. Although I have a feeling Thancred's questline would be very short. X3

...SE would probably stop short of letting you actually romance characters though, it would influence too much of the following storyline. But getting to go on side missions and learn more about your favorite characters? I can see that happening. thancred and I are just friends. good friends.

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There isn't really much of a reason a romance would heavily influence the storyline. Maybe some dialog changes slightly if you're romancing a main character, or a specific NPC comes along with you in a mission (someone always goes with you in this example; perhaps if your romancing the default NPC they don't go and another person goes instead, or if you're not romancing the person your partner comes instead of the default) but overall you're still doing the same things as everyone else. Maybe an extra cutscene/dialog before an important part where your lover asks you to be careful or whatnot. Nothing major, nothing someone who chooses not to romance anyone would miss.

Siobahn sure is funny. Your anger over people wanting to hook up or be friends with an npc with their own character is so great, it almost makes me think you're really just jealous and trying to chase them away from Thancred so you can have him all for yourself!

Don't worry, there's no shame in it.

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Originally Posted by Siobahn

Congrats on being the biggest idiot to which I have ever spoken.

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Thanks for proving my point.

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You completely missed the entire point of the argument

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Because you don't have one. And your quickness to resort to insult shows how weak you know your stance is.

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1. WoW has 7 million subs because it's a better game.

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WoW has 7 million subscribers because it launched in a very peculiar moment for the industry that did well for it. Popularity and Quality are also two very different concepts.

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2. The reason #1 is true is because Blizzard's devs don't waste time with systems like Favour, FATE, Glamour, or housing. Instead, they focus on what the MMO community wants, such as viable PVP, decent raid content, gear choices, and an ECONOMY.

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Blizzard's devs work on a lot of different secondary features, like making pets fight. But thanks for proving that you don't even know what you're talking about. Don't waste their time with Glamours? Yeah. It's just called Trasmogrification.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Transmogrification

I suggest doing some research before coming here and making yourself look ridiculous :D

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3. I made a comment about my opinion of this feature, and you attacked me. You made some arbitrary comment, backed it up with zero data

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It's interesting to see you demand data from others, when you bring none yourself, and what you bring is false :D

Haha you guys are awesome.

I don't want them to stop short of romance, it almost feels like they're already doing that in some ways, but I don't want it to be just about romance, either. Take Alphinaud for example, I want my guy to be like his best bro. That would make me so happy. Cuz I love him just about as much as Thancred. I just don't have the urge to make my lady smooch him XD just. EEEEEEE! <3

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Originally Posted by PArcher

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a Favor system that would also affect dialogues would be fun to have.

If a player had a Female character and chosen to romance Thancred then later in the storyline you encounter Thancred flirting with a few girls like his usual self he would act in Shock and perform a excuse of "this isn't what it looks like." while the other girls question who the player is :p

While a friend relation would result with him saying hi and the girls asking Thancred to introduce them to the player.

Also usually a FF game would have some kind of romance in the story anyways even if the main character isn't part of the romance or have the option to romance a NPC.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

too much text

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EDIT: I re-read my post. I was talking just about in the main story about changes to dialog/cutscenes, since people would complain if they get locked out of something there like this (no matter how trivial, and even if they choose to not have it unlocked). I agree with extra stuff, just not a ton in the main story; side-quests and "Favor" quests would be where the bulk would be IMO /EDIT

IMO, you chose a bad character as an example lol. I'm pretty sure anyone who romances Thancred would have to be fine with him being, well, himself lol. Though there probably would be people looking to "change" him too...

But I think these types of cutscenes/dialog would be better as part of the "Favor" quest-lines, and the main story would have things pretty much being the same for everyone (with some minor tweaks that ultimately don't matter; not saying dialog and the like isn't affected, its just not something that anyone would really be upset with missing, like a teary good-bye right before a big fight, NPCs in cutscenes/certain fights changing depending on friendships [but always the same number], and so on).

Favor questlines would have dialog trees to "open up" the NPCs, ask questions to get to know them better, unlock deeper friendships, etc. But I think it would be best, for the game, to have that stuff on the side.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

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Well i only picked Thancred because he is the easiest to make a example about while the other characters don't have quite enough background info quite yet.

I do agree most of the Favor system should be placed into Favor Quests. Though what i would favor is that each NPC has their own unique quests and events covering their past, lore, and relation type kind of like in SWTOR with companions.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

There isn't really much of a reason a romance would heavily influence the storyline. Maybe some dialog changes slightly if you're romancing a main character, or a specific NPC comes along with you in a mission (someone always goes with you in this example; perhaps if your romancing the default NPC they don't go and another person goes instead, or if you're not romancing the person your partner comes instead of the default) but overall you're still doing the same things as everyone else. Maybe an extra cutscene/dialog before an important part where your lover asks you to be careful or whatnot. Nothing major, nothing someone who chooses not to romance anyone would miss.

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Well but...I want to get "favour" with everyone available, if you know what I mean... >.> And if it affected the story too much, you'd probably be locked in XD

I think you guys got the wrong idea about Thancred, but I haven't made a lady yet nor started in Uldah so I guess I have yet to see everything about him XD;

There are actually already peices of story that each player is already missing out on thats no big deal. For instance, what I just mentioned: I didn't start in Uldah so instead Y'da and Pappylimo (sp...) had more involent in my story than Thancred. Also: Thancred already acted differently towards me cuz I wasn't a lady. Which is exactly why I want to make a lady that starts in Ul'dah XD
So as you can see, there is ALREADY tiny bits of differing content like that wherein it's not a big deal to miss out on.

I want to romance Thancred because he is my favorite. That's what I (and another lady I know) want really badly like holy crap.

(Though what I want even more is a Firion minion and a Firion outfit but that's a discussion for another day XD)

Come on Squeenix it's my birthday. Please? XD *Zack the Puppy eyes*

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Originally Posted by Saiyakupo

I think you guys got the wrong idea about Thancred, but I haven't made a lady yet nor started in Uldah so I guess I have yet to see everything about him XD;

*more googly eyes at Thancred*

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I don't thiiink he acts any differently towards females? But, think about how many times you've "snuck up" on him and he's ogling/musing about some lady.

In Ul'dah's storyline you do get to see a flashback of him with a lady on each arm, playing it smooth. XD Still <3 him though.

The strange thing is, on my old 1.0 Ul'dah alt (a female Sunseeker miqo'te), Thancred never once tried hitting on my character, instead preferring to flirt with female npcs - it's almost as if he has 'limits' for adventurers. ;)

That doesn't worry me though - even though I'm already taken, Enki does have a soft spot for Cid hehe.. :3

I don't recall Thancred actually trying to get with my character (or my Ul'dah alt); if there's any differences its minor and doesn't really affect anything. He does chastise me for "sneaking up" on him when he's watching every other female Scion...

When I heard about the favour system yeah I figured April fools but still dreamt of a dragon age esque friendship system
I was already picturing thancred taking me out to the Bismarck in limsa for a meal haha

I wanna play monopoly with the scions.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I don't recall Thancred actually trying to get with my character (or my Ul'dah alt); if there's any differences its minor and doesn't really affect anything. He does chastise me for "sneaking up" on him when he's watching every other female Scion...

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You forgotten that Thancred is a player and he only plays with girls he knows he has a chance at winning.

Let's just all face the facts that were really forgetful. I can't really discuss or debate with not having remembered anything. But I still think that if he did finally get together with the player, that he wouldn't just continue eyeing all the ladies, when you're the only one he really needs to eye from then on (without getting said eye punched out XD).
I tried to make that sound sweet. I'm really bad at this XD

So basically what I was trying to say is that I would like some good, well written and fun romance fluff and friendship fluff, like the way bioware has it in their games, or maybe even the way you see in Fire Emblem: Awakening. Just sweet, nice, cute, without any of the romance drama like some of you guys seem to suggest XD; romance drama makes my stomach turn XD; That's just my opinion.
So yes I would love romance but adding drama like 'how dare you cheat!' And 'don't steal my girl I kick you!' would just ruin it XD;
Okay I go now *hides*

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Originally Posted by Saiyakupo

So basically what I was trying to say is that I would like some good, well written and fun romance fluff and friendship fluff, like the way bioware has it in their games, or maybe even the way you see in Fire Emblem: Awakening. Just sweet, nice, cute, without any of the romance drama like some of you guys seem to suggest XD; romance drama makes my stomach turn XD; That's just my opinion.
So yes I would love romance but adding drama like 'how dare you cheat!' And 'don't steal my girl I kick you!' would just ruin it XD;
Okay I go now *hides*

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But but in dragon age you could bed Alastair and demand he made you queen! The romance drama would just add to XIV pitting thancred against cid

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Originally Posted by Abriael

There's hope!

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Greetings, everyone!
Bayohne here with some surprising news!
It turns out the whole Favour system was a complete fabrication! I know, I know. I wanted it to be real, too. Fans of the system...don't worry! I've set some time aside with the team to discuss my feelings and to beg for it to become a reality. If there are enough burning requests for it, maybe Yoshi-P will...?

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Go Bayohne! We're all (almost) supporting your effort, and those few that aren't are irrelevant :D

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+1 for my support Bayohne!

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

But but in dragon age you could bed Alastair and demand he made you queen! The romance drama would just add to XIV pitting thancred against cid

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Hahaha XD
Okee well then I hope that whatever they do, they do a really awesome job at it. They have been so far in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Saiyakupo

Hahaha XD
Okee well then I hope that whatever they do, they do a really awesome job at it. They have been so far in my opinion.

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I can picture it now
Thancred - "hey gero wanna go slaughter ifrit tonight then maybe catch a show after?"
Sorry my dear I'm out tonight with CID
Thancred "oh so just because he helped you beat up Garuda that makes him hotter"
No but he does have his own airship
Thancred - "so that special moment we had in praetorium meant nothing to you"

I'm not the only one that saw Garuda and "Foolish Adventurers" and realized it's April Fools, right?

Although I have to admit the prospect of playing with the Sultana was VERY interesting

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Originally Posted by Raestloz

I'm not the only one that saw Garuda and "Foolish Adventurers" and realized it's April Fools, right?

Although I have to admit the prospect of playing with the Sultana was VERY interesting

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I think most people realized it was an April Fools, they just think that a system similar to this that took itself seriously would be good for characterization (Both from NPCs and the PC)

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

But but in dragon age you could bed Alastair and demand he made you queen! The romance drama would just add to XIV pitting thancred against cid

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Squenix isn't Bioware though unfortunately.