Eorzea feels like a world with no teeth.

I miss getting lost in the FFXI jungles and possibly getting killed. It was frustrating but challenging and fun. FFXIV's world is just for looks, there is no suprises, no "oh sh**, watch out" moments. Its all very meh. Stop calling us "adventurers" when the open world provides little adventure. I used to love just exploring a zone, you actually needed to look around and see everything, because if not you could die. XIV you "explore" the world just by staring at your minimap. Autorun to one red circle, then autorun to the next.

I understand that some people don't want a return to a system where you get your face ripped off by an Easy Prey, but it's insane how tame the open world is right now.

I don't even have to wait for my abilities to be usable after switching jobs. I run straight into mobs and if something aggroes I can just call my chocobo and auto attack the mob, problem solved.


It's pretty lame that you can go AFK anywhere in the entire world as a SMN without fear of dying. Titan/Ifrit can easily kill anything that aggroes.

We need something like an area where everything is lvl 90, no chance of killing anything and beyond is a massive mystery, something to do with the empire. Remember the massive castle or whatever it was in v1?

Huge bosses out in the field with a week pop, and basically items in crafting that are soo hard to get most people give up trying because almost everyone can make the top items now.

Test: Go into the open world Castrum, you know, the GARLEAN FORTRESS that's full of Troops and Machines designed to assault cities and see if you can kill any of them solo as any class....

Castrum Novum was how every castrum should be designed - a militiary that can decimate you if you're not careful. Not one who slaps gravity on you and hope you give up. I mean, even Gaius went down like a bi...wet paper compared to his white raven counterpart that actually TRIED to kill you, because you know he was a villain.

I miss the risk, The blood boiling rage when death happens.

But this isn't mmo/gaming of 10 years ago.

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I miss the risk, The blood boiling rage when death happens.

But this isn't mmo/gaming of 10 years ago.

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Even in single player games.

Dr. Wily has 1 hit left as you do and he gets you with the most cheap shot in the world and you just fly off the handle because of how BS it was. Or an MMO where you try to do a quest and wander into the wrong corner and get stomped out like you walked into Watts with the wrong colors and you learn your lesson - Games these days are far too forgiving, especially XIV - Take Acheron for example, his "Quake III" move should be used after every AoE ability, every single one to punish people who decided to get caught in it.

You know, real gaming.

"We want things to go back to how they used to be!"

SE: Okay fine. - restores it to be more like 1.23 with small elements from FFXI-

-a wild user approaches-

"I liked it better before in 2.0! Change it back!"

SE: Alright...

-A wild user approaches-
"This game is lifeless and you all have bland tastes for enjoying it, fix it SE!"

SE: Okay okay... This time we'll take both and merg them together.. It will be much more similar to 1.23 but will have the fixes added to ARR included.

Thus began the bombardments...x10

"I am tired of partying with casuls"
"Bambi players making topics about how hard content is makes me lol"
"This game is too difficult consider me gone."
"It's to hot in Ul'dah!"
"Elitist a derp derp"

SE: -cocks gun near forehead-

What I miss and what this game is lacking IMO is how huge the world of FF11 seemed, I mean I would LOVE to go explore Eldieme Necropolis, figure out the puzzle doors, maybe run into an NM that provided a challenge. Perhaps it didnt drop anything that would sell, but i didnt care! This is just one example of the HUGE open world dungeons that littered the 11 landscape. Open world dungeons with real exploration mechanics is the biggest thing this game could use, but keep some instanced running of course for casual play. Why is it so hard to provide BOTH these things?

SE seems to be getting enough of this feedback in these forums, now we shall see if they learn anything.

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I will forever remember from LotRO the lvl 30-40 orc camp that I had no hope of soloing, duoing or even trioing. Would need 6 people to get around the place. Unless you were a stealth class, ofc, but even then it was far from quaranteed you'd survive even a 1vs1 fight.

Just sayin'. ^^

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LotRO. Good times. That trend continued all the way to the last content I played. I think it was Riders of Rohan. Exploration meant a lot in that game and taking the wrong turn may very well end up with fangs all over your innards. *cough level 20 no death achievement*

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Also~~~~~ I got my lvl 1 taru to Mor Dhona some hours before posting this.


Coerthas wolves and mud puppies were my only worry throughout the entire journey.

1.23 probably could have sustained its self(or pulled better numbers than it did) if it received a re-release like 2.0 did. 1.23 kept the stigma that it was a 4.0 game and it always was going to be the failure that launch was. I brought up to people during 1.21 about the game and jobs and etc, and all I got was didn't that game get a 4.0 and fail miserably. Negative stigma is very very difficult to get rid of. IF they had turned 1.23 into 2.0 with out this big re release it would have flopped too. Thats why they did the re-release to rid themselves of the negative stigma of there mistake of rushing a game out and getting terrible terrible reviews

The terror of FFXI in its glory days... having to sneak past true sight nm's praying that they don't turn around at the last second....Vana'diel was a world to be feared and loved!

So many situations where seeing a mob that was even match still made you hesitate.

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The terror of FFXI in its glory days... having to sneak past true sight nm's praying that they don't turn around at the last second....Vana'diel was a world to be feared and loved!

So many situations where seeing a mob that was even match still made you hesitate.

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Chigoes in all its former glory!

1.0 made you fear far more than this one, but that game the mobs at 50 took some effort to take down. I still remember trying to go into the mines to try and get my coffer for DRG AF, took down a few but shortly after i got overwhelmed and died. It was a lesson that 1) im not god because im at cap (unlike in 2.0) and the game required that you actually have to play with people (i know...shocking coming from a Massively Multiplayer game)

IDK if any of you played FFXI, but when you compare the size of those zones to the zones in FFXIV. FFXIV zones are very short and its way to easy to get around in FFXIV. The thing that made FFXI so popular was the fear of the land and exploring . There was real danger in FFXI zones you have yo use sneak and invis even if you were level 75. Here at level 50 I can go anywhere I want to with out invs and fear of death.

I wish the gameworld had more teeth and actual dynamic gameplay. Now all difficulty is just in the raids and the world feels forgotten and deserted. There should be something to justify calling this a mmo instead of a co-op game.

There's so much game area just completely wasted and un-used at the moment.

OP is right. Honestly I don't know why the quest NPCs say "be careful" "dangerous", it is laughable. But it doesn't help that there is not consequences for dying either. ..

Back on track. we need some NMs, trash mobs that hurt and zones that you enter at your own risk solo. Oh and perhaps a reason to fear death other than the minor inconvenience of having to teleport or repair sooner.

Finally I end with how about some zones that you can get lost in? Mapless zones. Mystery, fear, unexpected surprises. Mimics. Say it with me: Open World Content with teeth!

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OP is right. Honestly I don't know why the quest NPCs say "be careful" "dangerous", it is laughable. But it doesn't help that there is not consequences for dying either. ..

Back on track. we need some NMs, trash mobs that hurt and zones that you enter at your own risk solo. Oh and perhaps a reason to fear death other than the minor inconvenience of having to teleport or repair sooner.

Finally I end with how about some zones that you can get lost in? Mapless zones. Mystery, fear, unexpected surprises. Mimics. Say it with me: Open World Content with teeth!

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lots of good ideas. As much as at times i hated XI for having to go through finding coffers for maps, i loved the fact that after going through the place a bunch of times, you just learned the places.Never saw the point of basically not just opening your map in this game and using the map as your main screen, everything is so small and even more linear feeling than ever. Its a great looking world, but it doesnt have that (nooks and cranny's) feel to it. I know NMs helped that because they were always tucked away in odd spots.

Some larger more open zones and the maps we do uncover being...well less detailed would help tbh, so much is told to you already with every system (and dumbed down for 10 year olds) ...at least let us figure SOMETHING out on our own. Seems the only thing we need to figure out in the game to not be braindead is the super scripted instances.

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IDK if any of you played FFXI, but when you compare the size of those zones to the zones in FFXIV. FFXIV zones are very short and its way to easy to get around in FFXIV. The thing that made FFXI so popular was the fear of the land and exploring . There was real danger in FFXI zones you have yo use sneak and invis even if you were level 75. Here at level 50 I can go anywhere I want to with out invs and fear of death.

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Like the pure satisfaction of making it out of Yhoater or Yuhtunga Jungle alive after your party disbanded? Yeah, that was something. Or when in Sea, never sure if you should watch the sky or your feet and then the fun distractions of the lovely goldfish.

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That only 4 people agree with. Maybe you should take a break from the game. I (and many other people in my friends list and FC) are having tons of fun with current content and stuff we make up along the way.

I do kind of agree with the 'fate' groups.. but that's about it. Crafting in XIV is not poor. Its better than many games I've played (though I still actually preferred the 1.0 version of crafting better) which makes your opinion on gathering... well... your opinion, and as with the number of 'likes' on your post. just a few select others.

Sure you can level up in the DF but the game really is what you make of it. If you want to be down and find all the negatives, sure, its going to be that way for you. It doesn't matter if you choose to play this game or any other, though. They are all going to be the same. If you like the FF world setting, great. If not, there are other choices out there. Considering the fact of how easy it is to level in this game to max level (just like most other newer MMO out there since its the current 'trend'), this game is in fact just like about every other MMO out there. I've played through (and currently playing through) the game story on 3 characters. Still enjoying it. But there you have it, the game is what *you* make of it for yourself.

The beastman dailers were put in to give and *optional* source you *can choose* to do daily if you want to. Play as you go, whenever you feel like it. Some people do them daily, other not at all and the rest somewhere in between. After you get to 'trusted' rank for both you can earn up to 90 philo tomes and/or up to 18 myth tomes a day. If you choose. Who cares about a mount and or vanity pet (though I bought the dragon mount and both vanity pets)... It completely optional. You are really going to complain about a totally easy way to get tomes... daily mind you... just for the sake of complaining?

Fun. They are never going to be able to make it fun for everyone. It is your choice on whether or not you have fun. Yup. Up to you and you alone. They will put out content and you will either enjoy it or not. *Just like every other MMO out there* No one can make you like or dislike the content but you. Me, I have fun just running along the fence lines in gridania for like 45 minutes at a time just running and jumping on them... cause I make a little minigame of it for myself because.. well.. I am having fun doing it, because I made it fun for myself. Not because the fact of jumping and running on the fences is fun.. because most people wouldn't think of it and probably find it boring, but that is their opinion while mine is mine. *Fun is what you make of it* I will say it again over and over.. If it isn;t fun for you right now, take a break. Do something else. Come back when and if you feel like it. But whatever you end up doing, just have fun ;)

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lots of good ideas...-snip-

Some larger more open zones and the maps we do uncover being...well less detailed would help tbh, so much is told to you already with every system (and dumbed down for 10 year olds) ...at least let us figure SOMETHING out on our own. Seems the only thing we need to figure out in the game to not be braindead is the super scripted instances.

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Thanks!

I agree, there is so much hand holding. I hope when we get an increase in the level cap we can work towards more of our abilities, have a solo fight challenge or something similar. Or a solo exploratory mission combining stealth and combat.

I think this thread got a bit derailed. However I would like to keep it going. More suggestions on how to get this gummy some dentures!

i will simply say this, we are still close of the city and... what is your Ilevel? i means it's true that the world feel easy when you are in ilevel 80+

and like i have said before, i prefer they work on actual content, than add zone that have only goal to kill us. what the point? none...
they will use time, money and energy for create content that can't be completed... seriously. they already have a very high pace for add content...

let's wait when they will add the first new area how it will evolve.

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i will simply say this, we are still close of the city and... what is your Ilevel? i means it's true that the world feel easy when you are in ilevel 80+

and like i have said before, i prefer they work on actual content, than add zone that have only goal to kill us. what the point? none...
they will use time, money and energy for create content that can't be completed... seriously. they already have a very high pace for add content...

let's wait when they will add the first new area how it will evolve.

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Ah, but here's the thing - Mor Dohna, for example has always been and will always be "the wild", there may be a new settlement but especially post calamity it should be the most dangerous place in Eorzea as of right now that isn't a dungeon (which are instances so they don't count ever.)

We're "close of the city and i90 max" but there still should be dangers even to those who are max ilvl for now. They did it in FFXI, they did it FFXIV 1.x they can do it in ARR but chose not to because it would "stress players." Castrum near Wineport should be the one of the most dangerous places near civilization considering how technologically advanced the Garleans are ontop of Vanguards are deployed as heavy assault along with Reapers - No single adventurer should be able to topple them like we do, especially within a handful of hits...As the world gets larger, it will still stay safe as that's the battle design of this game. You go from easy to easy no matter the level range.

Sure you can create artificial difficulty and try to kill something 20 levels over you, but even then you still stand a chance because not many even use TP moves. So unless they do a Seeker's of Adoulin style expansion where the wilderness is actually a wilderness and full of dangerous things..it's safe to say the overworld will always be this lifeless.

It is extremely rare for an MMO to be overhauled on every new expansion so the battle balance is set the way it is for the reason of creating 'stress free envrionment' and if they suddenly change that, people will complain and they start to alienate their core audience they wanted.

Cause mmos have gone the way of WoW with its no penalty (don't even try to say durability is a penalty) deaths and easy peasy zones.
Children complain if they have to work for something.

@tupsi: i like ho you twist the lore for make it look like the world around this area must be dangerous.

let's talk of the imperial, the one around are the legion of gaius, they haven't receive support from the empire for age. they was almost as much hit than the city-states, maybe even more. what we have there are the remanant of the invasion force of 5 years ago. indeed them technologie are stronger, but that don't means they can't be beat.
the operation for beat them at the end of the prologue of ARR, was well done and all them head was cut off really swiftly leaving them without any leader nor help from the empire, at best they get reinforcement from Ala Migho... but do it's enough? i doubt it.

now let's talk of something i have said... the ilevel, i invite you to wear your AF (ilevel 50) and go to the sylph territory (by example) and tell me if you enjoy the pain ^^. an ilevel 90 it's almost the double of your level... don't hope to face monster that will be dangerous outside the dungeon where they are buffed for be dangerous. in ilevel 80+ you are a sort of super soldier, over equiped that haven't something to fear from the territory around the three city-states.

mor dhona, i love this part, because this whole area wa distorded by the raise of the crystal tower (soo much that the south part is not there) you have one heavy place of the empire to one side, the revenant toll to the middle and the archeolegy mission to other side. this place is filled with human... is not a barren land like before.

finally, about some stuff i haven't talk about like the size of the area or the monster area filled with higher monster that can destroy you (like the spirit territory with the treant in the v1). let's begin with the size, they try to not waste place for the server. let take the example of some area from FF14 V1, coerthas by example, only 20-25% of the area was actually used by the people... the area was huge... but most of it was empty. because monster was not interesting to kill or no quest or dungeon was around. then, yes, the area of ARR are... small, i admit it... but the V1 was clearly inefficient in term of space use. let's hope the area we will get in the futur be more bigger, but still with interesting and used area.
now about the area with deadly monster, some of this area was used for one-two quest and after, no one was coming into it... because, let's be clear it's a pain to die and you had nothing to gain after you have done the quest. one more time it was a loose of space... asking for bigger server that was most costly for them... leading to cut on the creation of new content or fix of bug.

let's be honest, SE try really hard to offer an experience nice for everybody, not only people full stuff that are bored because... well you must have your own reason. but they need to stay in positive.. a mmorpg is really really heavy in terms of investiment.

then for now we have this, let's hope for later, to have more bigger area, but, i doubt you will see stuff like in FF11 or FF14 V1 like place filled with monster level 90 that was simply OS you when you was passing at 20 meter of them.

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Cause mmos have gone the way of smart game design by abandoning counter-intuitive punishing methods (Don't even try to say losing equipment or Experience adds depth the game, or actually helps people have fun) and zones that aren't designed for masochists.

MMO vets complain though if their game wasn't designed around 2001 Korean F2P models.

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There, i fixed that for you.


People who are complaining about the lack of content have simply exhausted it all. There is plenty of content to aspire to (Coil 1-5, Extreme Primals) at higher levels, but if you've bested it all and can do so continuously, you have effectively beaten the game and literally don't have anything else to do.

Either raise an alt or wait for 2.2. Or take a break...

World size: as I said before, I prefer a smaller but finely detailed (and visually breathtaking) world to enormous stretches of wasteland. Imho the Eorzea open world is a masterpiece of computer game Art. However I guess that the FF14 world is planned to grow in the future.

Danger: I have played several MMOs but none where, if you are at max level with practically maxed out gear, normal open world mobs, or even "normal" elites, are remotely dangerous. Basically, games accept that after all that grind you have gained the "right" to strut around with nobody messing with you, and if they try you teach 'em their manners. The only mobs who can kill you are boss-like elites, and those are found in Eorzea, too.

Try to solo Svara, lol.

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Said that, I am all for secrets, surprises, dangers, open world dungeons (I love them!), am all for fun and adventure in the open world. But I don't like very much the attitude behind many of these requests, it's often so negative. FF14 ARR is a darn good game and we should give a break to SE if, after being so badly burned with the first version, they prioritised the essential features in a MMO game and focused on shipping a polished product. You say it's too like WoW? Perfect! So the foundation is really solid. Now the embellishments can be added. :)

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... what is your Ilevel?

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Look here, I could strip stark nakid and kill everything in the open world. It doesn't even matter if my manbits dangle tantalizingly in the breeze I can still rock the most menacing war machine to be found in the field.

This game is more a less a pay to play pso2, you got your hub world and you enter a bunch of instances. Major hubs are uldah and mor dhona the rest of the open world is pretty life less

Given how much great ideas and heaps of replies this thread has, it makes me sad there's no reply from the devs. It has become a glaring issue that is so noticeable that not getting a reply speaks just as loudly as not having one does.

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In 1.0, even at max level, to get to the stronghold boss you needed a party, and wiping was an option if you didn't carve your way through fast enough. I remember travelling to the far out of the way aetherite points to collect the exploration achievements and having to sneak past level 75 - 99 mobs. In XI travelling into any high level zone unprepared (sneak and invis pots) you were gambling with your life.

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These were not good things.

How exactly are those not good things?

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Look here, I could strip stark nakid and kill everything in the open world. It doesn't even matter if my manbits dangle tantalizingly in the breeze I can still rock the most menacing war machine to be found in the field.

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yeah, we all believe you dude.

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How exactly are those not good things?

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simply because most this content was barely used too. when you had your exploration achievement... did you return into this area filled of monster 75-99? i doubt it. that the point, all this space was allocated to content that will serve 1-2 times and it's over.
why they didn't put back the open world dungeon? it was explain countless time by Yoshi-P, it's that at the first that tag and it can be pretty barren if the area is farmed by a lot of group.

people asking stuff but don't think about what it means. yeah let's add a top content in open world and let see it become a farmland with 100-300 person all the day into it. making loose all it challenge. you seems to have forgotten how was behemot and odin at the release a huge pain, server was simply dying because everybody was wanting to be part of it.
that the main trouble with open world content, either it's empty, because other content it's better or it's simply the most crowned place, annihilating all feeling of..challenge or achievement.

same for the NM, it was the first to tag the monster, leading to camping bot!

open world content tend to monopolize the world population in some small area when they come out and after take place that are barely used when better content come out.

finally about open world content in general, just remember the Farming of FATE, this zerg moving from FATE to FATE did you feel that the world was living? no, i had the feel to see insect devoring all on them way.

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yeah, we all believe you dude.

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Sadly his colourful description is not wrong :( In the open world mobs pose very little threat, even the rank 49-50 mobs. While you might not be able to handle as many enemies at once if you were naked, as you might be able to handle if you were in your best gear, it's still easy to avoid situations where enemies are dog piling on you and take them on one at a time leaving Eorzea too feel like a very bland world to adventure through.

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Sadly his colourful description is not wrong :( In the open world mobs pose very little threat, even the rank 49-50 mobs. While you might not be able to handle as many enemies at once if you were naked, as you might be able to handle if you were in your best gear, it's still easy to avoid situations where enemies are dog piling on you and take them on one at a time leaving Eorzea too feel like a very bland world to adventure through.

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while finishing the story of the 2.1, i have seen a monk in ilevel 50-55 almost killed by the monster of quest. seriously, when you are in ilevel 50 if you get more of 1 monster level 49-50 you run... you will be killed with some class. when other will be able to pull it either because they are tank, can sleep or heal themself.

anyway, for now, we are still close of the city, even coerthas is really close of the city with many guard around. we are not in the savage part of Eorzea. we haven't even yet the whole forest around gridania. all i say is for now, it's logical that the world feel not really dangerous. especially well stuff. after all you are a warrior of the light... if a warrior of the light get killed by... a squirrel... we are doomed!

There is a lot you've written I'd like to take the time to reply to, but first I want to drawn your attention back to the core of what it is I started this thread around.

It's not necessarily that I want more "things to do" or more open world content. But that I want a world that lives and breathes with a sense of danger and adventure.

Players can create more dynamic fun themselves without the addition of content if the world itself is challenging. I remember people finding ways to solo monsters that normally required a party to survive. Or people having naked races through Castle Ostroja.

I might be a warrior if light, but I don't expect everything to roll over and play dead for me the moment they hear that title.

that monk must have been really bad then, because unless you just stand in there broad casted aoe range you really dont take much damage. The open world coffers werent farmed much in 1.0 but then again only a hand ful were useful, primarily sentinal and you could always find one or two people farming a couple of those pieces which i guess isnt a bad thing. I'll say the same things ive been saying for a long time. Yoshi-p and Tanaka are on two ends of the spectrum they need to balance it out. We dont need level 99 mobs for no reason but some challenge is fun, and we dont need little garlean babies hitting us with little wood sticks. Find a balance SE you dont have to go all in to easy mode or hard mode.

I actually miss those Treants that you had to walk and not run by to avoid getting one-shotted. Made the travel to the moogles always more thrilling. Good times, good times...

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I actually miss those Treants that you had to walk and not run by to avoid getting one-shotted. Made the travel to the moogles always more thrilling. Good times, good times...

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I'll just leave this here: http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/imag...073b37a320.jpg

Basically a FATE but was fun :o Kinda funny cause WAR with AF body would destroy these things if people would do it right lol. Vengeance would deal back 800/900 damage easy.

Edit: New Beastmen strongholds will be coming in the future, but chances are they're gonna be instanced dungeons instead of an open world 'dungeon.' When we do get new zones I'll be quite sad (among others I've discussed the topic with) if we just get the exploration achievement, go talk to a guy to unlock a blue port just so we can DF that dungeon in Ul'dah, and daily-type quests. I'd love for mobs to be stronger 1.23-esque...but hey I would also love for different types of aggro mechanics and an elemental wheel but don't see either in the future. "Working as intended" so to speak.

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I'll just leave this here: http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/imag...073b37a320.jpg

Basically a FATE but was fun :o Kinda funny cause WAR with AF body would destroy these things if people would do it right lol. Vengeance would deal back 800/900 damage easy.

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Lol, I remember that. And you're the same server as me. That was the day that tons of people grouped up to try(with succes) and take a treant down, wasn't it? XD
I was a bit late to the party and only died once to it before it eventually died when I got back.