LOL@ Yoshi P's response to why Coil raiders should do Crystal Tower

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

"and/or be tied with the relic quest"... I really hate it when someone answers "Yes" to and/or questions

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This. I've seen a ton of people take that answer as "Extreme primal battles will be part of the main story." They might be, so I won't say that they aren't, but the "and/or" seems to be missed by many. The "Yes." could just mean that they are tied with the relic quest.

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Originally Posted by Mordermi

This. I've seen a ton of people take that answer as "Extreme primal battles will be part of the main story." They might be, so I won't say that they aren't, but the "and/or" seems to be missed by many. The "Yes." could just mean that they are tied with the relic quest.

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Even then "Tied to the main story" doesn't mean "Continuation of." The hard mode primals are technically tied to the mainstory but I wouldn't say they're a continuation of the main story. There's an in game explanation on why they're stronger that is indeed tied to the main story. The game acknowledges that they have been defeated. The game states they have been re-summoned with an increasing use of crystals. Does that mean the primal quests must be beaten when say.. an expansion comes out before you can work on the main story? Doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Even then "Tied to the main story" doesn't mean "Continuation of." The hard mode primals are technically tied to the mainstory but I wouldn't say they're a continuation of the main story. There's an in game explanation on why they're stronger that is indeed tied to the main story. The game acknowledges that they have been defeated. The game states they have been re-summoned with an increasing use of crystals. Does that mean the primal quests must be beaten when say.. an expansion comes out before you can work on the main story? Doubt it.

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How could they not be considered a continuation of the main story? The story continues after you reach 50 and beat all the hard mode primals again. The story then takes you to Bahamuts coil where the next chapter is taking place. You cannot reach this until you go through and beat the hard mode primals. So yes, it is very much so a continuation of the main story. And given that, its logical to assume the extreme primals will be treated in the same fashion. Having to do with both the main story and the relic, not one or the other.

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Originally Posted by Genz

It wouldn't have been a problem if the equipments didn't follow a dumb "vertical progression". :(

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THERE, you've hit right on it. Call me an old fan-boy, but I don't remember there being an item-level on ANY of the gear in Final Fantasy 11. (Yes, this is not 11; spare me the trouble of having to read your reply to that.) This item-level trend that has surfaced on mmo-type games is, in my opinion, destroying the experience. Hardcore, to-the-limit minded people will always exist, but quantifying this behavior with a number is something I would love to see stopped.

I don't know, maybe design elements such as these are too retro. Don't get me wrong, I love FFXIV, but it would be nice to see a return to old gearing trends such as branching gear, not vertical gear. What I mean by branching is that the new gear doesn't eclipse the old. Every patch doesn't make me replace what I've spent weeks/months/years of my life trying to obtain. The sense of accomplishment is what's ruined by such behavior. Taking a page out of WoW's book here with this next question: Do you really enjoy having an expansion released and having all of your raid or 'epic' loot replaced instantly with questing greens? Really? Not every game needs to have vertical gear progression to be appealing. If that's your thing and you swear by it, there are PLENTY of options in the mmo market out there for you.

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Originally Posted by EpiphanyCheshire

THERE, you've hit right on it. Call me an old fan-boy, but I don't remember there being an item-level on ANY of the gear in Final Fantasy 11. (Yes, this is not 11; spare me the trouble of having to read your reply to that.) This item-level trend that has surfaced on mmo-type games is, in my opinion, destroying the experience. Hardcore, to-the-limit minded people will always exist, but quantifying this behavior with a number is something I would love to see stopped.

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Yep, it's incorporated in XI now too and pretty much determines the end-game, so prior to it it doesn't do as much as it does in XIV (basically be all end all), so even in XI it's done a bit better lol.

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Originally Posted by Kanzer

How could they not be considered a continuation of the main story? The story continues after you reach 50 and beat all the hard mode primals again. The story then takes you to Bahamuts coil where the next chapter is taking place. You cannot reach this until you go through and beat the hard mode primals. So yes, it is very much so a continuation of the main story. And given that, its logical to assume the extreme primals will be treated in the same fashion. Having to do with both the main story and the relic, not one or the other.

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Not my point. It's a branch in the story. "Epilogue." kind of events. My point is I don't think when an expansion hits beating coils is even required to begin the "New storyline." There's a reason why even though coils of Bahamut exists as do the primal hard mode there's credits after you beat Praetorium. Sorry, coils is a side quest after the storyline has come to an end.

Yup the branch is called: chronicles of a new era. They are not part of the main scenario quests even thought they have the same icons as the main scenario quests.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...ry2=2&area=356

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Not my point. It's a branch in the story. "Epilogue." kind of events. My point is I don't think when an expansion hits beating coils is even required to begin the "New storyline." There's a reason why even though coils of Bahamut exists as do the primal hard mode there's credits after you beat Praetorium. Sorry, coils is a side quest after the storyline has come to an end.

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Looks more like a prologue than an epilogue. The very nature of MMOs is the story is always expanding. The Primals and Bahamut aren't just a sidequest. This is a continuation into where the story is heading as a whole. Therefore it is part of the main overarching storyline of Eorzea. The 'story' didn't end with the credits.

Personally I have no reason what so ever to run CT other than to get the unlocks the 1st time. CT is pointless and should have been launched with the game but wasnt. What they should have done was delayed the original launch when it was ready. They dropped the ball on this and I am willing to bet that because players have to wait til 2.2 its gonna hurt them.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

Personally I have no reason what so ever to run CT other than to get the unlocks the 1st time. CT is pointless and should have been launched with the game but wasnt. What they should have done was delayed the original launch when it was ready. They dropped the ball on this and I am willing to bet that because players have to wait til 2.2 its gonna hurt them.

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This is some faulty logic. I won't use the words that it needs to describe how wrong it is because it would be rude.

You don't have a reason what so ever to run CT so EVERYBODY doesn't have a reason to run CT.

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Originally Posted by ashikenshin

This is some faulty logic. I won't use the words that it needs to describe how wrong it is because it would be rude.

You don't have a reason what so ever to run CT so EVERYBODY doesn't have a reason to run CT.

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You can run whatever you want I just stated that I dont have a reason to run it and I am pretty sure others wont wanna run it either. Never did I say you or someone else has no reason to run CT. I gave my opinion and I dont care if you like it or not, just like you can have your opinions or reasons to run CT.

See if SE did the later and released the game a month or 2 late we most likely would have had different content than what we are getting in 3 weeks, but instead we are getting things that was suppose to have been included at launch.Granted not all was suppose to have been included at launch but still patch 2.1 could have been some what better. Seeing as the majority of the content can be run in ilvl 70 gear and my main is pretty much all ilvl 90 except for a few pieces and seeing I wont use my other jobs for said content, I wont re-gear them all with ilvl 80 gear. Everyone has a reason to either run CT or they dont have a good reason we as players decide.

and SE wouldn't have received all the money it received. It's stock wouldn't have rised from it's quarterly report. Good business!

My point was that not releasing the game would have hurted more than releasing without CT. And it was good business to release the game when they said they were going to release it. Sets a precedent.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

Maybe, maybe not but... players are getting bored with the current trend they are also not happy with patch 2.1 with all the arguing in regards to it. Only time will tell in regards to this decision. So from patch 2.1 til 2.2 we have a 3 months wait, I hope SE gets patch 2.2 out on time and with some really awesome content.

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But you have to understand that the people who post in forums are the minority. And the people who don't need this content are even less. It must really suck for you that this patch brings you nothing. Still, 3 months is nothing and I have faith that they will release in time.

To me, it's a good decision to release content regardless. My friends just bought the game a week ago, and I see on google+ that a lot of people are just reaching lvl 50. There is a lot of good word for this game and I imagine there will be a population increas in the coming months.

I'm sorry for sounding rude in my first post. You don't seem irational like most posters here. I apologize

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Originally Posted by ashikenshin

and SE wouldn't have received all the money it received. It's stock wouldn't have rised from it's quarterly report. Good business!

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Maybe, maybe not but... players are getting bored with the current trend they are also not happy with patch 2.1 with all the arguing in regards to it. Only time will tell in regards to this decision. So from patch 2.1 til 2.2 we have a 3 months wait, I hope SE gets patch 2.2 out on time and with some really awesome content.

When is the population of an MMO every behind new patches? I have never seen an mmo patch that the whole population screamed and jumped up and down for. There is always people that will complain because the content released isn't for them, who cares, its not enough, its changing designs in a way they don't like, my class got nerfed, etc. I think for the majority this release should be good. For those that rushed content and maxed out well yeah sucks you went so fast you surpassed the release of content but it happens and would happen whether this was put in before or after coil as youd of blown through this and complained that the wait for the next content is to long blah. This is actually a great patch and 2.2 is looking great as well. Could be worst. they could do what helms deep did to lotro....

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Originally Posted by ashikenshin

This is some faulty logic. I won't use the words that it needs to describe how wrong it is because it would be rude.

You don't have a reason what so ever to run CT so EVERYBODY doesn't have a reason to run CT.

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There's some choice words for you as well given past posts :) However, you seem to be twisting what he actually means and many before him stated - You can run CT all you want, but the fact even the guy in charge of this game has stated this is basically "for vanity" at this point for people who didn't hold off on end-game or took 3 months to get to end-game, you can't dismiss that CT is by design "useless" to progression.


Progression, yes - and as per usual in XIV community you'll have people try to argue that "people don't care for progression" but the reality of the situation is, progression is what keeps an MMO alive and regressing hopefully won't become a trend - Remember, the only reason this is really an issue is because it was SUPPOSED to be out BEFORE you did coil, now it's coming out after many, many people have been doing coil for months and CT isn't even after or inbetween coil, it's still before it.

So yes, in general it's useless content to do for vanity items - for the group that never touched end-game? Congrats, you have something to do before Coil. No one has ever stated otherwise as you seemingly keep trying to state people say.

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Originally Posted by PeppeLepeu

For those that rushed content and maxed out well yeah sucks you went so fast you surpassed the release of content but it happens and would happen whether this was put in before or after coil as youd

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Considering the game has been out for basically 4 months (3 years if you count content concepts), no one really 'rushed' and if it was all out as it should be, we'd be getting new progressive content rather than SE playing catch up - That's the main problem some have with it, not because they "rushed."

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

There's some choice words for you as well given past posts.

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Ok, the faulty logic part was the not releasing the game without CT. I really don't give a tiny rat's ass what you do in game. You could chase your miqote tail all day long for all I care. Not releasing the game would have been bad, terrible because instead of playing whatever we have been playing we would have been still waiting.

Since that part is cleared up, I don't have anything to say about the rest of your response.

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Originally Posted by ashikenshin

Ok, the faulty logic part was the not releasing the game without CT. I really don't give a tiny rat's ass what you do in game. You could chase your miqote tail all day long for all I care. Not releasing the game would have been bad, terrible because instead of playing whatever we have been playing we would have been still waiting.

Since that part is cleared up, I don't have anything to say about the rest of your response.

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Well then they should have re-evaluated CT and made the rewards on par with Coil or slightly ahead and tuned up the difficulty. They didn't HAVE to stick with the mantra that CT was supposed to be the jump between Coil and AK since it took them 4 months to release the damn content. They could have easily repurposed it, pulled it from Duty Finder, and made it into the next level of progression or at LEAST on par with Coil.

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I can agree and disagree to some extent. Honestly this is probably outta all my years of playing Xi and my time in 1.0 that and now 2.0 this is the 1st time that SE has released or going to be releasing a patch that I have not been excited for. This patch just seems lack luster at best but thats me. Normally even if it is only 1 thing outta the newest patch Im good to go but I really cant find anything thats even getting me excited. The one thing they could have done but it was unfortunatly a miss quote is actually make coil gear (not just weapons) ilvl 95, and make the myth gear a stepping stone to allagan gear. I understand some would have been disappointed in that but others would have been excited, but at least everyone may have been excited about something in patch 2.1.

if only SE included the vanity slots ...at least we could chase gear to wear .....because 2.1 gear looks awesome , but nop....no vanity slots until 2.2 (April?)

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Gear gear gear! That's all everyone thinks about! Not about the Actual content!

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Character progression is why people play MMOs, in fact people like you are the vast minority in my experience

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Originally Posted by Ricky

Character progression is why people play MMOs, in fact people like you are the vast minority in my experience

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Basically this....They could have even thrown us a bone and implemented some sort of Alternate Advancement to at least keep us busy..My FC should have T5 down soon and once that's down and we've bled it dry it may be time to unsub until new progression oriented content is released.

Leveling and gearing out Alts will really only hold your attention so far....

I mean I've been grinding some crafting hard inbetween coil runs and capping Myth, but that will have an end at some point too..

I will run it for the clear, any possible story and just to have done it.

If it is fun and rewards ToM and the gear looks nice I will run and rerun it.

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

I will run it for the clear, any possible story and just to have done it.

If it is fun and rewards ToM and the gear looks nice I will run and rerun it.

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Well re-run it may not be an option as we can not take a full 24 manned FC run. Also the fact that we will have 2 other random groups of 8, seems to be more of a disaster waiting to happen. Finally I believe Yoshi said it would take 90-120 mins to complete so I am not even sure players will want to re-run it but we will see soon enough. Now this may change depending on how many myth we actually get for each time we complete it, possibly 50 maybe 60 myth? I cant see them giving too much more than that.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

Character progression is why people play MMOs, in fact people like you are the vast minority in my experience

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And yet, has the single most likes of any post here.

The question remains exactly which slice of the MMO population ARR Appeals to. And again, this tangent ignores the strongest counterpoint standing: Crystal Tower exists as part of the progression, it simply fills the gap.

The fact that whether or not Starwinds or my viewpoints on Progression Obsession is in the minority, those who are at the point where gear from CT is not an upgrade to current pieces of gear are in a minority as well.


Those who cannot benefit from gearing one of their classes in CT are in an even smaller minority, and it speaks large amounts of selfishness to expect that content be altered to cater specifically to them above other players who would benefit more for the content to be delivered as initially advertised.

I'll play content for the fun of it, and collect the goodies out of pure kleptomania, upgrade or not. I don't expect this playstyle to be in the majority, but I do expect other people to acknowledge when their preferences are also in the minority, and should tone down their expectations accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

Well re-run it may not be an option as we can not take a full 24 manned FC run. Also the fact that we will have 2 other random groups of 8, seems to be more of a disaster waiting to happen. Finally I believe Yoshi said it would take 90-120 mins to complete so I am not even sure players will want to re-run it but we will see soon enough. Now this may change depending on how many myth we actually get for each time we complete it, possibly 50 maybe 60 myth? I cant see them giving too much more than that.

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The whole '3 parties of 8' thing is a different matter entirely. I am disappointed that I can't do a full FC run.

I'm willing to bet that CT is going to be like coil and will have several floors and be awarded tomes when you complete your floor. You are right, it probably won't be 50 tomes a floor like coil.

However I am less worried about ToM per hour than having some variety how I farm it.

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

The whole '3 parties of 8' thing is a different matter entirely. I am disappointed that I can't do a full FC run.

I'm willing to bet that CT is going to be like coil and will have several floors and be awarded tomes when you complete your floor. You are right, it probably won't be 50 tomes a floor like coil.

However I am less worried about ToM per hour than having some variety how I farm it.

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Point taken but in all honesty running dungeons is getting really old. How about they make meaningful challenging open world content? I dont mean more fates like odin and bemouth, they really are not challenging due to the fact that they keep disappearing and reappearing. Its more of a major annoyance than anything else. i mean in 4 months they could have come up with something.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

Maybe, maybe not but... players are getting bored with the current trend they are also not happy with patch 2.1 with all the arguing in regards to it. Only time will tell in regards to this decision. So from patch 2.1 til 2.2 we have a 3 months wait, I hope SE gets patch 2.2 out on time and with some really awesome content.

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Pretty much...people are denial if they don't think subs are dropping more and more. I see all over FFXIV groups/forums of people complaining how their FC's are getting emptier and emptier. People are bored and doing other things with their time now. I just hope it doesn't get as empty as 1.0 again :(

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

Those who cannot benefit from gearing one of their classes in CT are in an even smaller minority, and it speaks large amounts of selfishness to expect that content be altered to cater specifically to them above other players who would benefit more for the content to be delivered as initially advertised.

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Actually I don't think it's being delivered as initially advertised at all....yes it is definitely the gap filler from fresh 50 to coil, but it's definitely not a community raid like they made it out to be. They turned around and made it into a DF circle jerk. They took away a giant community/FC piece when they didn't allow servers to organize their own CT raids and have alliances etc.

With that said there will probably be very little challenge to the content and it will have to be something that caters to the most casual player. I am envisioning another Praetorium with more players tbh. God I hope they prove me wrong...

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Pretty much...people are denial if they don't think subs are dropping more and more. I see all over FFXIV groups/forums of people complaining how their FC's are getting emptier and emptier. People are bored and doing other things with their time now. I just hope it doesn't get as empty as 1.0 again :(

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My FC is having this issue as well, it sad really. Hopefully Yoshi will change course a tad but I dont know maybe the doom and gloom predictions are correct but time will only tell.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

Point taken but in all honesty running dungeons is getting really old. How about they make meaningful challenging open world content? I dont mean more fates like odin and bemouth, they really are not challenging due to the fact that they keep disappearing and reappearing. Its more of a major annoyance than anything else. i mean in 4 months they could have come up with something.

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I'm with ya.

From my blog:

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Instanced vs. Openworld
There are pros and cons to both. If you go with all openworld you risk the possibility of losing an NM to another player or a camp to another party as well as it allows you to bring 20 of your friends to go do something that was probably balanced towards being a challenge to a party of 8. If you go all instanced then you lose the feeling of a persistent world where you will never see anyone except your LS mates and there are no competitive activities of any kind. You would never come across that level 20 CNJ getting their butt kicked by Alux and swoop in with a cure and make a new friend. It would be a cold and lonely world.

Sumasu Sisters Say:
We think nearly everything in the game should be Openworld except those situations where it makes sense to go with instanced.

Things that make sense would be:

• Dungeons and NM battles that are balanced to be a challenge to a party.
• We can't really think of anything else...

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Something that takes effort for a party to even travel safely to. Something not marked on the map in a blue circle.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

My FC is having this issue as well, it sad really. Hopefully Yoshi will change course a tad but I dont know maybe the doom and gloom predictions are correct but time will only tell.

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Yeah its sad ; ; Few of my members too aren't logging in much anymore :( Hope they come back for the patch >.<

I found it odd that he kept mentioning through the entire LIVE Letter. Every time a question was asked or his answer led to talking about high tier gear, he would mention vanity slots. I understand he kept saying that because people with Coil/Myth gear have nothing to really look forward to in terms of new gear besides maybe extreme primal weapons. However, pushing vanity gear to those players is just ridiculous...since they won't be in the game for another 4-5 months (if there are delays) and not everybody cares about vanity gear. By the time vanity slots become available, there will be (hopefully) better gear for those players to go after. I think what he SHOULD have done, is spoken a bit about the higher tier gear coming in 2.2....just to remind the more hardcore and dedicated players that they have something in store for them.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Pretty much...people are denial if they don't think subs are dropping more and more. I see all over FFXIV groups/forums of people complaining how their FC's are getting emptier and emptier. People are bored and doing other things with their time now. I just hope it doesn't get as empty as 1.0 again :(

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I can foresee a good amount of people unsubbing until 2.2 once 2.1 content is dried up. I'll probably be in that boat if I've exhausted enough things to do. No reason in sticking around and paying a subscription fee if there is no content that you desire. Don't think the game will die by any stretch, I am sure this game has enough of a niche that it'd float, but I am not simple enough to not think people will jump ship until new content arives that they want to play.

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Originally Posted by Azyurel

Actually I don't think it's being delivered as initially advertised at all....yes it is definitely the gap filler from fresh 50 to coil, but it's definitely not a community raid like they made it out to be. They turned around and made it into a DF circle jerk. They took away a giant community/FC piece when they didn't allow servers to organize their own CT raids and have alliances etc.

With that said there will probably be very little challenge to the content and it will have to be something that caters to the most casual player. I am envisioning another Praetorium with more players tbh. God I hope they prove me wrong...

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I view this more as a slight to the average skill level of the player than the actual substance of your argument. I know players who struggle with the current difficulty of the game, and it does not make them lesser people or players for it. It's time we check the collective pride of the higher end of the skill curve.

Honestly, I'm in the camp that wants more open world content, but some lump a good idea (Open world content with greater depth than fate) with a bad idea (Make portions of the open world inaccessible), and honestly, trying to properly balance open world content with the current claim system is non-existent. It just can't be done the way people invision it.

Now... something to do with the way the Leve system works, in which parties could activate leves to challenge truly powerful enemies in the open field, that I can see being done.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

And yet, has the single most likes of any post here.

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If you hadn't notice by now - Most "going against popular opinion" posts by certain people tend to get a lot of likes on these forums, whereas on zam, you tend to get rated into oblivion depending on who posted it.

Saying "it has a lot of likes" really mean nothing, because I can look at any topic and see someone say: "This topic again?" and it has the most likes.

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The fact that whether or not Starwinds or my viewpoints on Progression Obsession is in the minority, those who are at the point where gear from CT is not an upgrade to current pieces of gear are in a minority as well.

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4 months and no one is doing any end-game..? There must have been more end-game content to keep people satisfied before reaching not only the current progression stop, but also end of the main storyline so far. Minority I guess means only people on legacy worlds have entered coil, yeah?

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

If you hadn't notice by now - Most "going against popular opinion" posts by certain people tend to get a lot of likes on these forums, whereas on zam, you tend to get rated into oblivion depending on who posted it.

Saying "it has a lot of likes" really mean nothing, because I can look at any topic and see someone say: "This topic again?" and it has the most likes.

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I see you took the bait on that one. The point I was making with that comment is that everyone thinks they represent the majority without hard evidence to substantiate their claim. Yet, when hard indications of popular opinions do not swing their way, they're quick to deny what evidence is provided. Confirmation bias at its finest.

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4 months and no one is doing any end-game..? There must have been more end-game content to keep people satisfied before reaching not only the current progression stop, but also end of the main storyline so far. Minority I guess means only people on legacy worlds have entered coil, yeah?

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Putting words in my mouth much? I said the coil endgame was in the minority. And that the majority of players are actually pre-coil and will benefit from Crystal Tower being exactly as it is. The exact numbers? That's in SE's hands, not yours, not mine. Last data provided indicated that there was large population not even complete with the main storyline. Given that data was provided a month ago? I'd say we're at the point where the bulk of players are just now challenging their relic quests or going back to level secondary classes -but that's speculation.

Regardless, if you wish to add weight to your words, do so with your subscription. However, know that there was an expected bleed off in population before they even got hit with a population far beyond their expected numbers: That's how we got into this 'four weeks behind schedule' debacle to begin with.

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I am from 1.0 and when I returned to 2.0 everything was capped every job you name it. I have gotten every relic for every job, I have literally done everything. I am on turn 5 not far from finishing that. Do turns 1-4 on monday and cap myth, so all I have to look forward too is turn 5 and farming for gil, not like gil matters as there is nothing worth buying.

Did I rush no but it seems Yoshi forgot about the 1.0 players even though WE paid by subbing to 1.0 and what do we have to show for it? So far we have a game that is heavily catering to 1 side, and thats the casuals but he said he wanted a broad audience, but it is becoming clear he dosent want us hardcore players. A game needs both it needs it needs casuals mid and hardcore players but most of all it needs the content to be balanced for all player types but currently XIV is unbalanced to an extent. When I see members in my FC and other linkshells start to get smaller and smaller on the logins it showing me somethings wrong. I havent seen some 1.0 players who use to be on everyday at the start they dont long in at all if at all now, its really a major disappointment considering they would long in everyday in 1.0.

Honestly have you seen any MMO that has released since the 2004-5 days that kept the release numbers post the 3 month mark? Everyones comments about numbers dropping a bit make sense but... on the flip side I have seen myself and others coming back. its just the natural ebb and flow of the mmo market these days. Everyone wants a game with 20 miles of content like the ones that have had 10 expansions but refuse understand content takes time to make, test, release. You're more then welcome to run this new content get the gear for looks and save it for vanity slots.
That said I am just excited that for my next class leveling experience I will have dungeons as a legitimate way to level.... hopefully... I hate fates =(

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

Now... something to do with the way the Leve system works, in which parties could activate leves to challenge truly powerful enemies in the open field, that I can see being done.

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Reading this made me think of this concept art.

http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__....0_Concept.jpg

I agree. Using the leve system to set up challenging content would be pretty awesome. Though I can see people complaining once they run out of leves for the day.