Why do FCs get 75% of the wards?

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Originally Posted by Laerune

We need instanced housing.

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Sadly they seem to be as stubborn as Ion in wow is ...determined not to listen to reason due to pride.

We all know how well that worked out...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Lets see as of per March 2022 the Light Data Center had
10.286 FC Houses
24.274 Personal Houses
FCs in Total 39.629

For Zodiark
1678 FC Houses
4082 Personal
total of 6916 FCs.

For those FCs which have a House on the Light Data Center a total of 1622 FCs are having less or equal to 3 Members.
On Zodiark there are only 275 FCs with less then or 3 Members.

Sry I call your "but i can see it with my own eyes" 80% nonsense. Its just a emotional inflated number which bares any logic.

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Do you know of the 1622 small FC plots, what the quality if their plots are? If they have a majority of the large and medium plots, then the prior poster's point still stand.

I feel like SE needs to add an instanced workshop at the grand compnay your FC is with that you can use with out owning a house. could alleviate a lot of the empty houses that are used just for subs and airships.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Do you know of the 1622 small FC plots, what the quality if their plots are? If they have a majority of the large and medium plots, then the prior poster's point still stand.

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Ehm no? Their previous post stated that 80% of all FCs were abondend. This includes Smalls as well. The Plotsize didnt matter in their former argument.

Also this excuse of "FC houses hold more people so its fair there's a majority of them" is absolutely baseless, 80% of fc houses are empty, inside and out, used for submarines and abandoned left to rot outside of that purpose, its ridiculous that some people think this

Provided the total of 1678 FC Houses. So if we subduct the 275 so claimed Shell FCs from the data we got from the Housing Census. Theres still no 80% empty rotted plots based on the claim of all FCs.

will encourage interactions between fcs when those fcs are dummy fcs to begin with, just made for housing for a single person as personal FC.

Provided the information that only 275 FCs had less then 3 or exactly 3 Members.

Is this maybe an out of season April Fools joke? :'(

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Ehm no? Their previous post stated that 80% of all FCs were abondend. This includes Smalls as well. The Plotsize didnt matter in their former argument.

Also this excuse of "FC houses hold more people so its fair there's a majority of them" is absolutely baseless, 80% of fc houses are empty, inside and out, used for submarines and abandoned left to rot outside of that purpose, its ridiculous that some people think this

Provided the total of 1678 FC Houses. So if we subduct the 275 so claimed Shell FCs from the data we got from the Housing Census. Theres still no 80% empty rotted plots based on the claim of all FCs.

will encourage interactions between fcs when those fcs are dummy fcs to begin with, just made for housing for a single person as personal FC.

Provided the information that only 275 FCs had less then 3 or exactly 3 Members.

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I notice you're conveniently skipping the line where they said "Have you ever checked medium and large plots, and top tier small plots ? They are all 1 people fcs"

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I notice you're conveniently skipping the line where they said "Have you ever checked medium and large plots, and top tier small plots ? They are all 1 people fcs"

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Thank you. Some people just skip what they'd rather skip to prove their own point

I'm... So disappointed. T_T

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I notice you're conveniently skipping the line where they said "Have you ever checked medium and large plots, and top tier small plots ? They are all 1 people fcs"

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I read it but still doesnt make their FIRST argument "all FCs" more true. It only shows that their assumption of 80% of all FCs was and still is wrong and they should have better argued with 80% of all Mediums/Large are abondened. And even seeing all the venus on Zodiark recently I still doubt that 80% of all Mediums/Larges belongs to shell FCs. But im still waiting for at least something like a proof that these 80% are not only a emotionally inflated number to counter the recent announcement of 75% FC Wards.

Sorry to say this. But an emotionally impacted argument on personal guesses wont help to provide feedback for Square even I have the same stance on their side.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

I read it but still doesnt make their FIRST argument "all FCs" more true. It only shows that their assumption of 80% of all FCs was wrong and they should have better argued with 80% of all Mediums/Large are abondened. And even seeing all the venus on Zodiark recently I still doubt that 80% of all Mediums/Larges belongs to shell FCs. But im still waiting for at least something like a proof that these 80% are not only a emotionally inflated number to counter the recent announcement of 75% FC Wards.

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Mist P19/20/21 - P49/50/51 are a good example of the most abandoned smalls that are just used by dummy fcs with one player in them, feel free to take a look at them when you log in and report back here. and that I do know from my own eyes because I checked it several times a day for months until eventually one came up.

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Originally Posted by PMSJordan

This is great for two main reasons and I will die on this hill!

1) FC housing can house many different people unlike private housing.

2) They make our neighborhood system much more alive since there’s more people in the neighborhood thanks to multiple people sharing a FC house.

Also in patch 6.2 we get private Island sanctuaries which each come with their own house. This should help fill the need for private houses.

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There is 0 evidence that private, instanced housing is coming with IS. We have next to no information about it. If this does end up to be the case then fantastic. But I highly doubt it, given they've been dead silent about it other than "freeroaming minions" for almost a year now. There's a reason they've been so tightlipped about the details, and they've literally said that we need to "lower our expectations" regarding IS. Not to mention, more FC housing isn't going to make this merry, block-party-having community. You're delusional if you actually believe that. What will end up happening is whatever plots aren't bought by dummy FCs of people trying to get their own "private" house will sit empty and/or unpurchased. So that's a pretty dumb hill to die on.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Not happening. Very much for worse, they're afraid of stepping on players' toes, even though it's a reprehensible action.

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I'm not necessarily saying they should, but the issue is a matter a small number of people controlling a lot of property. Statistically it's more likely to please more people than it pisses off.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Mist P19/20/21 - P49/50/51 are a good example of the most abandoned smalls that are just used by dummy fcs with one player in them, feel free to take a look at them when you log in and report back here. and that I do know from my own eyes because I checked it several times a day for months until eventually one came up.

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And even then 275 of 1678 FC Houses on Zodiark having less or exact 3 Members. This accounts for a total of 16,38% of all FC Houses or of 4,77% of all total available plots before Patch 6.1. If we assume that all of those 275 are just abondened shell FCs and not one Single Player FC which uses their FC-House on a regular basis i'm still not sure where your 80% came from.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

And even then 275 of 1678 FC Houses on Zodiark having less or exact 3 Members. This accounts for a total of 16,38% of all FC Houses or of 4,77% of all total available plots before Patch 6.1. If we assume that all of those 275 are just abondened shell FCs and not one Single Player FC which uses their FC-House on a regular basis i'm still not sure where your 80% came from.

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Try 5 to 10 players, 5 or 6 players total are required to make the FC in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Try 5 to 10 players, 5 or 6 players total are required to make the FC in the first place.

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Only 4 are required to create an FC and to buy a plot. Afterwards it doesnt matter how much are left in the FC. Thats the reason why people can still hold an FC with an plot as a single person.
But to do you and me a favour I'v gonna count every FC by hand in the 4 Districts to provide us some data for further posts once the Servers are back.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Only 4 are required to create an FC and to buy a plot. Afterwards it doesnt matter how much are left in the FC. Thats the reason why people can still hold an FC with an plot as a single person.
But to do you and me a favour I'v gonna count every FC by hand in the 4 Districts to provide us some data for further posts once the Servers are back.

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Please do.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Please do.

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https://xivhousing.com/#november2021

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Originally Posted by Big_Bap

https://xivhousing.com/#november2021

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Thank you.

Zodiark FC's total : 1644
Zodiark 1-10 members fc's : 920 (55%)

My original number might have been a bit too high, but it's still over half of them, being purely used either for submarines,abandoned,probably empty or used as personals with a few alts inside. My point more than stands, despite the percentage being a bit lower.

Spriggan as an example is :

2003 fcs 1-548 members
1440 fcs with 1-10 members. (which equals to 71%)

That is WAY over 50%.

Ragnarok same thing with over 50% of fc houses with 1-10 members, and this works for every world.

The biggest world being Chocobo, with a total of 2700 fc houses, and 2100 fc houses with 1-10 members. (77%)

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

There is 0 evidence that private, instanced housing is coming with IS. We have next to no information about it. If this does end up to be the case then fantastic. But I highly doubt it, given they've been dead silent about it other than "freeroaming minions" for almost a year now. There's a reason they've been so tightlipped about the details, and they've literally said that we need to "lower our expectations" regarding IS. Not to mention, more FC housing isn't going to make this merry, block-party-having community. You're delusional if you actually believe that. What will end up happening is whatever plots aren't bought by dummy FCs of people trying to get their own "private" house will sit empty and/or unpurchased. So that's a pretty dumb hill to die on.

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Actually during an interview with Zepla Yoshi actually said it is NOT instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by PMSJordan

Also in patch 6.2 we get private Island sanctuaries which each come with their own house.

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Citation needed because absolutely nothing shared so far about Island Sanctuary has stated it includes a house.

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Originally Posted by PMSJordan

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLu2_kcX...pg&name=medium

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Try adding in the full translation of his statements instead of editing it to fit your agenda.

He was saying we have housing, that has a focus on the house, garden and furniture. And then there is Island Sanctuary that has content beyond those those things, not including those things.

Again, citation needed of specific statement that states Island Sanctuary will include housing. I mean if it exists it should be very easy to find and very clear without any word games. All he needs to do is say "Yes, Island Sanctuary will include housing".

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Thank you.

Zodiark FC's total : 1644
Zodiark 1-10 members fc's : 920 (55%)

My original number might have been a bit too high, but it's still over half of them, being purely used either for submarines,abandoned,probably empty or used as personals with a few alts inside. My point more than stands, despite the percentage being a bit lower.

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Lucky Bancho's latest numbers are a better guide, I feel.

A submariner will have just the one character, no need for 4, as you can use them for other houses. So 396 such FCs. However, you likely need to see which of those have housing and which don't. I think the true number will be under the 396.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Lucky Bancho's latest numbers are a better guide, I feel.

A submariner will have just the one character, no need for 4, as you can use them for other houses. So 396 such FCs. However, you likely need to see which of those have housing and which don't. I think the true number will be under the 396.

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This is the correct answer.

To everyone else complaining about small/shell FCs: I cannot state how many small FCs I have personally been in since 3.0 on alt characters ( FCs with less than 10 members ) who haven't even unlocked the workshop, they just want a small FC for close friends.

Small FC =/= Shell FC. That is not fair to small FCs, which are plentiful. Not everyone wants to be in a 90+ person FC.

Then to everyone complaining about empty FC houses: I see far more personal houses that are empty in wards than I do FC houses. I'm guessing people who just want the ability to say they have a house... I don't know, there is no knowing why people do things.

I'm sorry to say just because someone doesn't do what you would want to do with a house doesn't mean you deserve it more.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

This is the correct answer.

I also cannot state how many small FCs ( less than 10 members ) who haven't even unlocked the workshop, they just want a small FC for close friends.

Small FC =/= Shell FC. That is not fair to small FCs which are plentiful. Not everyone wants to be in a 90+ person FC.

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I own small FC's on Gilgamesh, Balmung and Spriggan and although I've purchased a workshop to be complete we do not really use them. I have purchased FC's primarily to share with my alts given alts can't share a private house and to share with a few select friends. I don't want the hassle of managing a large FC.

I hope to buy a small FC on Sophia in the first round. Seems the FC/Private ward setup will at least insure that I am able to buy one I don't think it's fair to private home owners.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I own small FC's on Gilgamesh, Balmung and Spriggan and although I've purchased a workshop to be complete we do not really use them. I have purchased FC's primarily to share with my alts given alts can't share a private house and to share with a few select friends. I don't want the hassle of managing a large FC.

I hope to buy a small FC on Sophia in the first round. Seems the FC/Private ward setup will at least insure that I am able to buy one I don't think it's fair to private home owners.

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Agree 100%. Large FCs can defiantly be a hassle to manage and sometimes just be in. That's why I choose small FCs for my alts on other servers, I much prefer them.

Imo it makes sense, FC's get more people in one place instead of just the one person.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Zodiark FC's total : 1644
Zodiark 1-10 members fc's : 920 (55%)

My original number might have been a bit too high, but it's still over half of them, being purely used either for submarines,abandoned,probably empty or used as personals with a few alts inside. My point more than stands, despite the percentage being a bit lower.

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I believe you have misinterpreted the data quite incorrectly.
Every server has 24 wards, 60 houses per ward, and 4 total regions (currently).

24 x 60 x 4 = 5,760 Total houses per server (as of pre-6.1)

According to this data chart on XIVHOUSING:

ZODIARK
Zodiark is comprised of 1,644 FC houses total (All member count sizes).
This accounts for 29% of the houses as owned by FCs on the entire server.

The remaining 4,116 houses are all personal owned houses.
This accounts for 71% of all houses owned as personals on the entire server.


Spriggan
Spriggan is comprised of 2,003 FC houses total (All member count sizes).
This accounts for 35% of the houses as owned by FCs on the entire server.

The remaining 3,757 houses are all personal owned houses.
This accounts for 65% of the houses owned as personals on the entire server.



Now let us look at the absolute extreme case which is Balmung. It is most notorious for being the most overpopulated server with the highest demand for housing.

Balmung
Balmung is comprised of 2,245 FC houses total (All member count sizes).
This accounts for 39% of the houses as owned by FCs on the entire server.

The remaining 3,515 houses are all personal owned houses.
This accounts for 61% of all houses owned as personals on the entire server.

In all of the above cases, FC houses that fall within the "shell" category take only a fraction of their respective distribution which further disproves that FC housing and private sales are running rampant on a level that significantly detracts from the personal housing supply. This would support Yodada's statement on your numbers being grossly inflated.

The data falls in line consistently across most servers where roughly 30% of all houses are FC houses including potential "shell" FCs, with 70% being allocated to personal houses. As such it is safe to conclude that as of right now personal houses greatly outnumbers fc houses. Since this data has been pulled directly from lodestone, it has relatively high accuracy for a large scale representation. It is nearly impossible to know the use rate of a house since nobody can monitor a house 24/7.

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Originally Posted by k99

The data falls in line consistently across most servers where roughly 30% of all houses are FC houses including potential "shell" FCs, with 70% being allocated to personal houses. As such it is safe to conclude that as of right now personal houses greatly outnumbers fc houses. Since this data has been pulled directly from lodestone, it has relatively high accuracy for a large scale representation. It is nearly impossible to know the use rate of a house since nobody can monitor a house 24/7.

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According to the Bancho survery, Balmung has about 3500 total FCs. 2,245 FCs already have houses. That leaves about 1,255 FCs without a house. Not all will qualify (size, rank, etc) but many will. 18 wards of 60 plots are FC only. That's 1,080 FC only plots for some amount less than 1255 FCs on that server. Most servers are likely going to have ratios have less than 2 to 1 when it comes to FCs without a house to FC-only plots in the new wards.

I think that is going to greatly change FC plans when the servers come up. Instead of waiting until the last minute, they would be wise to get in as many tickets from FC members as they can in order to make other FCs look elsewhere.

Whereas when it comes to private plots, wow - I wouldn't be surprised if smalls have 100 tickets and larges have upwards of 500. There's simply so few to go around. This is clearly SE's way of saying "houses were really meant for FCs or players that have been with the game since housing first came out."

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Originally Posted by dspguy

...I think that is going to greatly change FC plans when the servers come up. Instead of waiting until the last minute, they would be wise to get in as many tickets from FC members as they can in order to make other FCs look elsewhere. ...

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Have my like, but Thinking of just the next 9 days... personally, I think there is one other strat that will slightly foul your quite valid thought.

It's going to be super smart for all homeless to put their single entry into a personal plot in round one, then in round two (no personals left) give the entry to the FC, who will then want to get as many onto the plot as possible early to scare people off.

There will still be FC houses left in round two, but all the personals will be gone.

What you say is valid, to a smaller extent in round one, round two can throw more people into this strategy.

Real talk: A lot of housing districts are absolutely dead with single player housing. In my server, there is a good 60% of houses that don't even get decorated either. Its all empty; and my guess is because of house flippers, or people just want a house to simply have a house. A friend of mine just recently got a small a month ago; we all helped him decorate it and so forth. After; absolutely no one came over to his house, but instead we all hung out at the FC house.

I do understand though. I always wanted a small so I can just have fun with some interior designing; but when I gave it more and more thought; it felt pointless if no one really visits or anything. I am sure there are groups who do visit, and there are players who go house touring too for fun. I am not saying it does not exist; but most of the time... its just dead. That encourages no one to even hang out in them. They are all over in limsa because there IS people there. So I get what you are saying; but I think housing should be FC favored than solo player housing. Until we get instance housing; there is hardly no point of solo player neighborhoods.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

Oh god, i didn't think they could the make housing situation even WORSE.

Now I'll be forced to stay in a badly decorated fc house with 30 garuda couches everywhere.
The horror!

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Okay, this made me chuckle.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

what in the love of all that is good were they thinking?

it just encourages people to make shell FCs

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≪Entry Requirements≫

Characters who fulfill the requirements below are eligible to submit one lottery entry per lottery period.

Entering as a Private Buyer:
1. You must have at least one class at level 50.
2. You must hold the rank of second lieutenant or above in one of the Grand Companies.

Entering as a Free Company Representative:
1. Your free company must be rank 6 or above.
2. Your free company must have four or more members.
3. You must be authorized by your free company to purchase and relinquish land.
4. You must have been a member of your free company for 30 days or longer.(*)
* This is a new requirement introduced in Patch 6.1, in order to preserve the integrity of the lottery system.

There is some barrier to entry here, so we'll see how many gets pumped out.

FC's need a place to hang out. My FC goes through great effort to decorate our house well and use it for just about every event we run. We chill there, we group up before raid there, we run fashion competitions there etc. etc. It's essential to our community and having moved to OCE servers it has been a sorely missed while we wait for them to be re-released. However, it was extremely challenging to get a house (especially a medium, forget large) having to compete with so many individuals. An FC house serves many players while a player house usually just serves one. In fact many of my FC mates don't even want their own house because we have the FC house.

So logically it makes 10,000% sense that there should be more FC houses. If you don't understand this then you are either just too selfish or have never experienced a good FC.

If your FC house decoration sucks then maybe talk to your FC leader and offer to help decorate it. Be the change you want to see.

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Originally Posted by Avindr

FC's need a place to hang out. My FC goes through great effort to decorate our house well and use it for just about every event we run. We chill there, we group up before raid there, we run fashion competitions there etc. etc. It's essential to our community and having moved to OCE servers it has been a sorely missed while we wait for them to be re-released. However, it was extremely challenging to get a house (especially a medium, forget large) having to compete with so many individuals. An FC house serves many players while a player house usually just serves one. In fact many of my FC mates don't even want their own house because we have the FC house.

So logically it makes 10,000% sense that there should be more FC houses. If you don't understand this then you are either just too selfish or have never experienced a good FC.

If your FC house decoration sucks then maybe talk to your FC leader and offer to help decorate it. Be the change you want to see.

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Can you tell me with a straight face that Bismark needs 18 wards of FC housing.
Like, you do realize thats 5700 houses...

OCE needs the % flipped on every server, 6 wards for FC, 18 for Private.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Can you tell me with a straight face that Bismark needs 18 wards of FC housing.

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It doesn't but SE have implemented the same system world wide. The nice thing is most of those plots won't go in patch 6.1, so when SE do adjust world to world like they promised, they will become available.

Take anything you can get now and then try for a perfect plot at the next patch. If you miss out this time, hold out hope for the next patch release :) It's something we get on Materia that the other DCs won't get. Extra grade 1 and 2 housing in the coming months.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Can you tell me with a straight face that Bismark needs 18 wards of FC housing.
Like, you do realize thats 5700 houses...

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18 wards are only 1080 houses.

One ward has 30 houses normal and 30 houses extended. Makes with 18 wards 1080 houses ;)

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Originally Posted by Mihari

18 wards are only 1080 houses.

One ward has 30 houses normal and 30 houses extended. Makes with 18 wards 1080 houses ;)

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18 wards, 60 houses per ward, 5 empty cities as all servers on Materia are new and have not had any housing until 6.1.

18*60*5 = 5400

Since houses will always stay as limited assets and primarily ought to exist as hangout places, putting focus on FCs is logical with those ideas in mind.
If whole wards were full of Thav Onion farms and storage units, it would make the whole shared neighborhood idea moot wouldn't it?
Now whether people actually hang out at wards is a different question, but you make the game in the form you desire rather than into what it is.

Except that FCs already have a decent shot at getting a house due to being able to submit multiple bids of they have enough members, which in itself is a natural deterrent against she'll FCs/RMT flippers.

To have such an uneven allocation for FCs mean that shell FCs and RMT flippers have a free run at the new housing plots while players hunting for a personal estate since forever are given a proverbial slap on their faces yet again.

This is even more evident when personal houses are non-transferable unlike FC houses, meaning that they are more likely to get actual usage compared to shell FCs/hoarders who just run submarine farms or RMT flippers who flip for profits.

An absolute shame this is.

Hopefully the Island Sanctuary will have a house on it and this whole thing will be rendered mostly irrelevant.

What upsets me the most is we all worked to rebuild the firmament for over two years and was promised housing in 6.1 for over 18 months. We all ASSUMED there would be plenty of housing for personal use!!

Not once did SE ask us for suggestions, ask to take a poll, or say anything about a 75% split for FCs and then they waited on patch morning to release these details….why? Didn’t SE think it was worth the players time to know in advance on how the personal housing got screwed over?

Honestly, you changed most of the 2.0 dungeons and up with content for solo players and you turn around and now you want people to join an FC for a house that usually only the owner and maybe 2-3 officers will ever use anything else all the good stuff.

Sorry to say, but SE is starting to feel like the WoW develops.

PS: The only way to fix this is mess at this point is too add more wards up to 36 wards then you will have 50% FCs and 50% personal housing split. Anything less than that, it might be time to move on from FF14 for me.