Plz do something about the multiplot owners

How about we leave thos who own multiple house alone? Just like populated server who currently lock...
They can only go down.
Btw I just own 1 mid.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

A simple thing to do would be to put in some kind of housing tax that has to be paid every week for upkeep of a house.Set at the right rate it could potentially cripple house hoarders and force them to relinquish some of their property due to upkeep.

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This would work fine as an incremental penalty.

One plot on your account? No penalty. More than one plot? You get taxed exponentially for each additional house on your account.

Think of it as "luxury tax". You can have those 16 plots, but you're pay for them.

The tolerance people have for the trash of this community is indeed, a core part of the problem. You don't tolerate extortionists and scalpers in real life, so why would you anywhere else?

The fact the devs were too blind to foresee this problem, and "didn't have rules in place, so "technically" these people didn't break any rules", doesn't validate the action of being a piece of garbage trying to exploit loopholes.

So something I'm wondering on, I have a chara on our server that has house and FC. Also have a chara with no house and FC, and now can't get either. Can the one without use the house of the one who has it now? Or are they destined to never own a house because another chara does?

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Originally Posted by Derceto

This would work fine as an incremental penalty.

One plot on your account? No penalty. More than one plot? You get taxed exponentially for each additional house on your account.

Think of it as "luxury tax". You can have those 16 plots, but you're pay for them.

The tolerance people have for the trash of this community is indeed, a core part of the problem. You don't tolerate extortionists and scalpers in real life, so why would you anywhere else?

The fact the devs were too blind to foresee this problem, and "didn't have rules in place, so "technically" these people didn't break any rules", doesn't validate the action of being a piece of garbage trying to exploit loopholes.

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I am a capitalist. I do not believe in punishing people for what they earned. I also am 100% against affirmative action of any kind, or any form of wealth redistribution. So take that as you will.

The last housing addition was a huge bungled mess, they gave an obligatory apology and once the new plots come out in a couple weeks or whenever it will be nearly the EXACT same mess all over again. I wouldn't hold your breath expecting them to fix the housing system in any meaningful way.

I like the changes they made, this will have positive change.

The only thing I think they should have done is, for multiple plot owners prior to the update in rules, anyone owning multiple plots should have been given the option to relinquish their plots instantly for a 100% refund and, in the event they don't relinquish within 7 days, they forfeit the right to any Gil refund in the event the plot automatically relinquish over time.

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Originally Posted by NaoTenbe

So something I'm wondering on, I have a chara on our server that has house and FC. Also have a chara with no house and FC, and now can't get either. Can the one without use the house of the one who has it now? Or are they destined to never own a house because another chara does?

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Pretty much. Nothing was put in to allow alts to access houses of mains.

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

I like the changes they made, this will have positive change.

The only thing I think they should have done is, for multiple plot owners prior to the update in rules, anyone owning multiple plots should have been given the option to relinquish their plots instantly for a 100% refund and, in the event they don't relinquish within 7 days, they forfeit the right to any Gil refund in the event the plot automatically relinquish over time.

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sounds cool and all, but what about the millions in decorations they own? I have one large house and the ground floor is worth about 20-30 million in decorations. If someone has multiple houses they can easily surpass the decoration storage limit. So now we have the issue of either just deleting millions hundreds of millions in decorations or figure out a way to give the player back a fair market price for all their decorations.

There is no way to take away houses without creating a massive headache for the developers and the players.

The only real fix to this issue is create instanced housing so everyone can have a house. Considering there is only enough housing to supply about 25% of a servers population, the issue isn't the handful of people that own 2-3 houses, the issue is how poorly our current housing system works for such a large population.

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Originally Posted by illgot

The only real fix to this issue is create instanced housing so everyone can have a house. Considering there is only enough housing to supply about 25% of a servers population, the issue isn't the handful of people that own 2-3 houses, the issue is how poorly our current housing system works for such a large population.

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Sure would be swell if we got an upgradable instanced plot. Give those of us in the wards an option to transfer our current house size to an equivalent instanced plot. That would free up ward space for FCs and those people who want the neighborhood feel.

Right now I'd settle for my alts being able to use my house and have their own rooms in it, similar to FC rooms. Apartments are nice but I feel guilty taking those from people who have no housing options besides them.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

Sure would be swell if we got an upgradable instanced plot. Give those of us in the wards an option to transfer our current house size to an equivalent instanced plot. That would free up ward space for FCs and those people who want the neighborhood feel.

Right now I'd settle for my alts being able to use my house and have their own rooms in it, similar to FC rooms. Apartments are nice but I feel guilty taking those from people who have no housing options besides them.

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It would be nice if apartments were replaced by "small houses" and you could upgrade from there to a large house when you can afford it. Leave Wards like they are, just stop adding more and focus on instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

The only thing unfair about the housing system is the fact that you can't have everyone owning a house of their choice on all of their characters.

SE doesn't need to take housing from anyone to make it "fair". SE needs to make housing available to everyone to make it fair.

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True, but they're too stingy for that to happen.

Unless there are that many FC's hurting for a plot I don't see why it matters. if you're hoping for a personal house I hate to break it to you but that dream is dead, you're never getting one now. if you didn't get in you have a basically 0 chance of getting one unless you manage to scoop one up coming off a random timer which is probably as likely as winning the lottery

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Pretty much. Nothing was put in to allow alts to access houses of mains.

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Well this is just bloody effin brilliant.
People on here screaming for those who own multiple houses, want them kicked to the curb, with no way to access ANY houses except on their main.

This whole patch just seems to be multiple steps backwards.

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

I am a capitalist. I do not believe in punishing people for what they earned. I also am 100% against affirmative action of any kind, or any form of wealth redistribution. So take that as you will.

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Nice. You're a capitalist. You should be right at home with my luxury tax then.

Protip though. Not everyone is a capitalist. And... psst, this is a video game, not free market.

That's free advice. I should charge you for it, but I'm not a capitalist.

This is not really going to be a problem if in the future they add more wards if housing is what your worried about. Many worlds have small plots still available, just don't be picky.

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Originally Posted by Derceto

Nice. You're a capitalist. You should be right at home with my luxury tax then.

Protip though. Not everyone is a capitalist. And... psst, this is a video game, not free market.

That's free advice. I should charge you for it, but I'm not a capitalist.

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Good for you.
Apparently S/E devs are capitalists and they do not agree with you.
This is a video game but market board is functioning as free market because S/E did not enforced a default value when you list the item.

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Originally Posted by Derceto

Nice. You're a capitalist. You should be right at home with my luxury tax then.

Protip though. Not everyone is a capitalist. And... psst, this is a video game, not free market.

That's free advice. I should charge you for it, but I'm not a capitalist.

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The edge is calling tonight!

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Originally Posted by Leloa

This is not really going to be a problem if in the future they add more wards if housing is what your worried about. Many worlds have small plots still available, just don't be picky.

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Some worlds still have mediums and even large plots available at the time of this post.

if enough people voice they're disapporval of the multi plot owners SE will step up to remove ownership from people with multi homes let them pick one private home and an fc home if they are leader then remove the rest so others can buy a place for fc or private home use

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Originally Posted by Derceto

Nice. You're a capitalist. You should be right at home with my luxury tax then.

Protip though. Not everyone is a capitalist. And... psst, this is a video game, not free market.

That's free advice. I should charge you for it, but I'm not a capitalist.

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You couldn't charge me for something I didn't request, nor want. A luxury tax also is not something you would find in a true Capitalist ideal. A tax by definition, is wealth redistribution. You don't even understand how Capitalism works.

The only problem with this system is that it wasn't implemented sooner, Square really should have had the foresight to see this happening when they implemented housing but hey ho, at least its here now and it seems to have solved a lot of problems (outside of some FC's making shells to take up more houses)

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Originally Posted by Blackbird1

if enough people voice they're disapporval of the multi plot owners SE will step up to remove ownership from people with multi homes let them pick one private home and an fc home if they are leader then remove the rest so others can buy a place for fc or private home use

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No they won't. There was outrage that caught gaming media attention for the situation on Mateus with an entire ward nearly being bought out by two players and Square didn't really do anything about them. The current system is a step in the right direction, but I highly doubt that they'll force players to chose a home out of all the ones they own on a world. Especially now that a lot of the housing issues that existed in the past for players who wanted a home have started dying down (i.e. players actually being able to still get a private house today, weeks after they were added)

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Originally Posted by Blackbird1

if enough people voice they're disapporval of the multi plot owners SE will step up to remove ownership from people with multi homes let them pick one private home and an fc home if they are leader then remove the rest so others can buy a place for fc or private home use

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Yeah, that's not going to happen. Especially not with the multitude of servers that still have plots available after the recent changes. There is no benefit to punishing their players who didn't break any of their established rules when they purchased those multiple plots when the solution they have implemented is very obviously positively affecting the situation.

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Originally Posted by Blackbird1

if enough people voice they're disapporval of the multi plot owners SE will step up to remove ownership from people with multi homes let them pick one private home and an fc home if they are leader then remove the rest so others can buy a place for fc or private home use

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It not in the realm of impossibility that SE will remove them as it stated in TOS they may do what F they want. However like TaleraRistain states, it very unlikely as there is plenty of houses still available on most server.

Just looking at my own server there was at 6pm GMT still 3 larges, 10+ mediums and idk how many 20-30 or more smalls in Goblet (also bunch smalls in Lavender, didn't look in the other areas)

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Originally Posted by Derceto

This would work fine as an incremental penalty.

One plot on your account? No penalty. More than one plot? You get taxed exponentially for each additional house on your account.

Think of it as "luxury tax". You can have those 16 plots, but you're pay for them.

The tolerance people have for the trash of this community is indeed, a core part of the problem. You don't tolerate extortionists and scalpers in real life, so why would you anywhere else?

The fact the devs were too blind to foresee this problem, and "didn't have rules in place, so "technically" these people didn't break any rules", doesn't validate the action of being a piece of garbage trying to exploit loopholes.

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I want to for the record say a "tax" is probably the most stupid, unnecessary thing they could add to the game.

Who and how would that help current situation? Most multi-owners if not all are wealthy players so paying a "tax" isn't going to make them relinquish they plots.

I'm with the group of people believing no rule was broken and hence no penalty shall be put on these people. I was a multi-owner up to 4.2 but since I knew i wanted a large personal house i gave my small away to a friend and upgraded my medium.

Even if I still had multiple plots and you hit me with a "tax" that wouldn't be a problem to someone like me, a omnicrafter with plenty Gil to spend on nothing in this game - it is fun to see the amount go up though i admit.

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

How about we leave thos who own multiple house alone? Just like populated server who currently lock...
They can only go down.
Btw I just own 1 mid.

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I totally agree with you. But this community likes to pick on certain groups and are very quick on grabbing those pitchforks. Just take a look on Reddit.

I don't foresee how they can fix the housing issues, I don't think it is even possible at all. All they can do is increase the number of houses and wards, which is exactly what they have done this patch, was it enough probably not, the ghost fc's, flippers still will and continue to get away with things since there were no rules in the beginning which governed the way housing is done. Simply put as someone told me, to live with it and get what you can get even if it is not something you like, like me I bought a goblet house it is terrible all I see is a wall nothing more. but it might be easier to relocate at a later stage. Other than that its broken system and cant be fixed without actually removing all houses and redoing the system.

I have a private house and my alt also has a private house. If they would allow estate sharing with your alts - I would relinquish one of the houses. I believe a lot of people would do the same.

I don't think multiplot owners should be punished like that... I mean, they broke no rules at the time, had to earn enough money and compete for the plots just the same as others. If anything could make them relinquish plots, I guess it would be a refund (especially in case of the people who bought with the intention of selling it later, given how hard it probably is to sell it now with the random timer) and house sharing with alts like mentioned above.

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Originally Posted by TwoOfEleven

I don't think multiplot owners should be punished like that... I mean, they broke no rules at the time, had to earn enough money and compete for the plots just the same as others. If anything could make them relinquish plots, I guess it would be a refund (especially in case of the people who bought with the intention of selling it later, given how hard it probably is to sell it now with the random timer) and house sharing with alts like mentioned above.

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I kinda agree to your comment,when this was allowed in the beginning and there was no real system in place, and players took advantage of this it was SE who did not foresee or forecast that this could potentially be a risk. I think like most things in this game they underestimate the community in many fields, and now it has come back to bite them time and time again, and there is no foreseeable fix that they can do as some players will always try to find loopholes to get what they want no matter what. This the 2nd expansion and how many patches later and still there is no full prove action in place. O well time to move on and drop the subject i think :(

I am of the opinion that multi-plot owners broke the spirit of the housing system, even if they didn't break any actual rules. So, it really doesn't sit well with me that future players aren't allowed to own multiple plots while older, legacy players can.

Rather than "punishment", though, perhaps what's needed is an amnesty instead. Incentivise multi-plot owners to give up their extra plots. For example, offer a 100% refund on the maximum value of the plot, or maybe even higher than 100%, to help reccover the cost of furnishing.

This should be entirely optional for multi-plot owners. This way, everyone potentially wins.

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Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

I am of the opinion that multi-plot owners broke the spirit of the housing system, even if they didn't break any actual rules. So, it really doesn't sit well with me that future players aren't allowed to own multiple plots while older, legacy players can.

Rather than "punishment", though, perhaps what's needed is an amnesty instead. Incentivise multi-plot owners to give up their extra plots. For example, offer a 100% refund on the maximum value of the plot, or maybe even higher than 100%, to help reccover the cost of furnishing.

This should be entirely optional for multi-plot owners. This way, everyone potentially wins.

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One problem from SE: They want it to be fair to everyone.
So in theory it your own fault for not having enough gil, not as fast as someone else with clicks (im going to assume no one use bot programs or other 3rd party applications) or took the day off.

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Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

I am of the opinion that multi-plot owners broke the spirit of the housing system, even if they didn't break any actual rules. So, it really doesn't sit well with me that future players aren't allowed to own multiple plots while older, legacy players can.

Rather than "punishment", though, perhaps what's needed is an amnesty instead. Incentivise multi-plot owners to give up their extra plots. For example, offer a 100% refund on the maximum value of the plot, or maybe even higher than 100%, to help reccover the cost of furnishing.

This should be entirely optional for multi-plot owners. This way, everyone potentially wins.

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Can blame people who take the time to make gill and buy plots. SE looks at it from a legal point of view and needs to keep it seal and be fair to its supporters. The good news is if they don't pay, house gets demolish they won't be able to buy multiple anymore. Hence their grandfather plan. Is it fair for us who took the time to have multiple plots? Yes it is. Is it fair to give people a trophy to people just for trying? No but apparently society does not want to make them feel bad. As for your suggestion, you misunderstand the whole point of why people have multi plots, to flip and have it strictly for FC members to have a ward or make more gill than suggested market price. 100% refund is not even close to what people can make flipping it.

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Originally Posted by Ticks

I have a private house and my alt also has a private house. If they would allow estate sharing with your alts - I would relinquish one of the houses. I believe a lot of people would do the same.

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I'm still surprised they haven't done this. Shouldn't be too hard to make a private house function across the account, though I'd understand if they can't do that because it'd allow low level characters into Kugane super early.

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Originally Posted by Ticks

I have a private house and my alt also has a private house. If they would allow estate sharing with your alts - I would relinquish one of the houses. I believe a lot of people would do the same.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I'm still surprised they haven't done this. Shouldn't be too hard to make a private house function across the account, though I'd understand if they can't do that because it'd allow low level characters into Kugane super early.

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Their is a reason why it's call an alternate and I'm surprise people still don't understand that. Doing house sharing would be as if you only have one choco for both, one content bag, ect. Hence alternate is considered a complete different entity. Besides not sharing housing has many benefits to it. Multiple FC's benefits for example, double airships, double gardens, double subs now.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I'm still surprised they haven't done this. Shouldn't be too hard to make a private house function across the account, though I'd understand if they can't do that because it'd allow low level characters into Kugane super early.

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I doubt its because it would allow low level characters in Kugane - my level 19 alt-gladiator can teleport to our FC-mansion in Shirogane and hes hardly got access to Gridania by now. he just cant leave the housing district and go to Kugane yet, so thats not an issue.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Their is a reason why it's call an alternate and I'm surprise people still don't understand that. Doing house sharing would be as if you only have one choco for both, one content bag, ect. Hence alternate is considered a complete different entity. Besides not sharing housing has many benefits to it. Multiple FC's benefits for example, double airships, double gardens, double subs now.

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From a technical point of view, a house is something very, very different than your inventory or your chocobo... The sharing of your inventory or a mount (except the two-seater mounts, in a way...) isnt possible. The sharing of a house however is - the game also obviously registers that one of your characters owns a house. So why not have it register "Ah, this is the house - here, have access!"
I know, I know - from your RP-view two characters are two completly different things. And for the most part they're also two different things when it comes to the technical side, granted. But now one character owning a house is already affecting all the alt-characters. If its only one house per account, then make it per account.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Once upon a time in Mateus, there were two ladies who happened upon the server and found it quite empty. After spending an inordinate amount of time and effort, these ladies bought a lot of houses together. Of course, with the world being hardly populated, no one complained.

Time passed...

Mateus became populated and now these same ladies were being swarmed by a lynchmob, accused of greed and monopoly.

Who's at fault here?

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The selfish players who thought the population was going to be low on that server permanently.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

The selfish players who thought the population was going to be low on that server permanently.

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Very ignorant statement.

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Originally Posted by QueenSophie

Very ignorant statement.

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No ignorance was thinking the plots were all theirs

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Once upon a time in Mateus, there were two ladies who happened upon the server and found it quite empty. After spending an inordinate amount of time and effort, these ladies bought a lot of houses together. Of course, with the world being hardly populated, no one complained.

Time passed...

Mateus became populated and now these same ladies were being swarmed by a lynchmob, accused of greed and monopoly.

Who's at fault here?

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IMO, the lynchmob who feel entitled. Nobody was stopped to move to the server and buy houses. It was fair and square.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

IMO, the lynchmob who feel entitled. Nobody was stopped to move to the server and buy houses. It was fair and square.

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Aww comon Rinuko there is more loops in the system than there is in a box of Cheerios.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

As for your suggestion, you misunderstand the whole point of why people have multi plots, to flip...

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And now they can't. At least, not as easily. So, offering a full refund allows those who bought multiple plots with the intention to flip (which would be an egregious act against the ToS, by the way) to at least recoup their cost. It's a very generous offer, considering that house-flippers were profiteers, in my opinion, and should have never have been allowed to get away with their unethical conduct in the first place.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

and have it strictly for FC members to have a ward...

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And you'd deign to criticse others for feeling entitled to having a fair shot at a plot of their own? Why should an FC's desire to corner a ward for their own members outweigh the right of other players to get a home?