Patch 2.45 December 9th

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Originally Posted by KoutaAtaire

That's the definition of quality of life.

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Before every battle is not the definition of QoL

Do you think a quest will be needed to unlock Stoneskin II ? Or we'll just get it added in our skills ?

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

As mentioned during Letter from the Producer LIVE, we will be adding Stoneskin II to the array of conjurer’s spells in Patch 2.45. This spell will allow you to cast stoneskin on your entire party when you are not in combat.

White mages rejoice! Soon enough you won’t have to spam stoneskin on the entire party before you begin your next battle. I know Bayohne is as excited about this as everyone else.

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Th-thank you...

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Originally Posted by KoutaAtaire

Are you implying that SMN egis does not do anything?

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I would have said that if it were so.

I thought the forums couldn't get any worse. Till I saw people complaining that WHMs get an ability that reduces waiting time between pulls.

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Originally Posted by atomicdeath

Before every battle is not the definition of QoL

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Yes it is. You can only use it out of battle. You get to stoneskin everyone in your party not have to select 7 people and individually do it. How in the world is it game changing? It's a QoL adjustment pertaining to a very specific instance. out of combat.

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Originally Posted by atomicdeath

Buffing the whole party with one cast instead of 4 before every fight doesnt sounds like just QoL. Thats pretty big imo.

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QQ if you add in the Egis abilities, SMN get 15 extra skills. I Main a healer and SMN is my main DPS, I'd much rather have Stoneskin II than another Egi at this point in time. Besides people would still use Garuda all the time because of contagion.

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Originally Posted by Lusavari

That's a 1.0 icon pre-Yoshida. I can't remember the ability's name, but it's an ability for Conjurer than turned the next cast into an AoE. Similarly, Conjurer also originally had an ability that "Allows caster to hum next cast to cast while moving at reduced power." The AoE ability got removed during Alpha or Beta in 1.0 though, and replaced by the command /aoe which toggled all conjurer spells between single and circle aoe and all THM spells between single and front cone.

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He even said it...in the post you quoted, lol?

Sacred Prism

http://www.ffxivinfo.com/class/conju...y=sacred-prism

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Originally Posted by IzumiYuki

I thought the forums couldn't get any worse. Till I saw people complaining that WHMs get an ability that reduces waiting time between pulls.

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It's the mentality of "THEY HAVE WHAT I WANT AND I WANT IT NOW!"

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Originally Posted by mdha02

QQ if you add in the Egis abilities, SMN get 15 extra skills. I Main a healer and SMN is my main DPS, I'd much rather have Stoneskin II than another Egi at this point in time. Besides people would still use Garuda all the time because of contagion.

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Not saying stoneskin II wouldnt be more useful than an egi, great addition imo :)

What I have been saying is it is battle related unlike what those other people want to insist. Im just a summoner that would also like new shineys.

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Originally Posted by ExKage

Yes it is. You can only use it out of battle. You get to stoneskin everyone in your party not have to select 7 people and individually do it. How in the world is it game changing? It's a QoL adjustment pertaining to a very specific instance. out of combat.

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Give up. He doesn't get it, and probably never will. There are just some heads that are just too thick in the world.

If you think it's such a big deal you should switch to main WHM and take advantage of such a huge boost to the job.

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Originally Posted by atomicdeath

What I have been saying is it is battle related unlike what those other people want to insist. Im just a summoner that would also like new shineys.

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It is QoL.

It saves you a few cast before a fight start, once a fight started, all back to normal. It doesn't make their raid heal stronger, it doesn't make the boss hit for less, it doesn't increase anyone's survivability, it doesn't do anything that you cannot already do in battle.

With SMN equivalent, so if we give you a Levy re-skin, ALL stats and abilities will be exactly identical to Garuda, just the names of the abilities are different, will you be OK with that and accept it as a new egi?

This is the equivalent to allowing you to instant-summon your pet if you are out of combat without using swift cast.

This will save 10-20 seconds of the entire party waiting for the white mage to apply stoneskin. It benefits all players equally and does not change the overall power level of the class. It IS quality of life. Why are people complaining about this? It saves everyone time.

Thank you SE for doing this. Don't let the complainers bother you too much.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

This is the equivalent to allowing you to instant-summon your pet if you are out of combat without using swift cast.

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This is a really good comparison! Because while it helps you out after you die, or your pet dies and you're between fights, it doesn't actually affect the battles or strategies at all.

That's Quality of Life.

If it was, say, a reduction in the MP cost of summoning pets, or a reduction in cast time, or being able to instantly switch summoned pets in combat, THAT would be about balance and NOT just QoL.

Do people see it now?

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

This is the equivalent to allowing you to instant-summon your pet if you are out of combat without using swift cast.

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OMG game breaking!

I just sincerely hope SCH get Stoneskin II as well. It's already hell trying to get people to stay still at the start of a dungeon for casting buffs; if WHM only get this, they will start bitching over having to wait because they got a SCH in the party instead. ><

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Originally Posted by Sadana

I just sincerely hope SCH get Stoneskin II as well. It's already hell trying to get people to stay still at the start of a dungeon for casting buffs; if WHM only get this, they will start bitching over having to wait because they got a SCH in the party instead. ><

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SCH already has AoE Stoneskin. It's called Succor. WHM did not have an AoE Stoneskin before 2.45.

Watch this have a 24-second cast time.

Only thing I don't understand is didn't se say like a couple months or so ago that no class in this game was to get any new spells abilities till the expac and then they go and give whm stoneskin 2 they should give smn Levi ramuh and Shiva egi already not to mention every other class/job should get a new ability since se has gone back on their word and given whm stoneskin 2 which is a new spell/ability for the whm

As a summoner main I have no problem with this. It's a QoL thing. Think of how much time will be saved in ST, raids, and primals. The whm can stoneskin eight people at once instead of eight people individually. It's a convenience, not a game changing mechanic, which is what giving summoners more summons before expac would be.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

Only thing I don't understand is didn't se say like a couple months or so ago that no class in this game was to get any new spells abilities till the expac and then they go and give whm stoneskin 2 they should give smn Levi ramuh and Shiva egi already not to mention every other class/job should get a new ability since se has gone back on their word and given whm stoneskin 2 which is a new spell/ability for the whm

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-sigh- You still don't get it, do you?

You can say the Stoneskin II is essentially a new trait, because it can only be used OUTSIDE OF COMBAT. Meaning it has absolutely ZERO effect in what matters; the actual fight. In that sense, it may as well be a wasted ability slot in fight because you can't use it at all. Tell me what new skills you will give other jobs that can only be useful outside of combat, doesn't affect anything in the current fights, and then we can have a discussion. Also, fullstops and punctuation will be nice.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

Only thing I don't understand is didn't se say like a couple months or so ago that no class in this game was to get any new spells abilities till the expac and then they go and give whm stoneskin 2 they should give smn Levi ramuh and Shiva egi already not to mention every other class/job should get a new ability since se has gone back on their word and given whm stoneskin 2 which is a new spell/ability for the whm

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They gave FSH the ability to cast a light on their fishing poles. I don't remember seeing you complaining about that QoL adjustment. What makes this any different?

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

WHM did not have an AoE Stoneskin before 2.45.

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Well teeeechnically they did if you played FFXIV during 1.0. In fact, they had a spell that converted the next spell into an AoE form at the cost of double cast time and double MP.

what the heckie S-E WHM's get stoneskin II but where's my button that lets me cast huton while out of combat without spending my ninjutsu cd or having to do mudra inputs? blatant favoritism and imbalance 0/10 unsubbed uninstalled called yoshi p to let him know i want tanaka back. this would never have happened in 1.0

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

Only thing I don't understand is didn't se say like a couple months or so ago that no class in this game was to get any new spells abilities till the expac

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Restricting the game roles to a specific number of abillities is a terrible idea in the first place. Then again they have done alot of things that just work against them in the long run, the whole class/job system for example.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

Watch this have a 24-second cast time.

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What will be even funnier is if this is in any way less potent than the single target, and you get parties that go "no, please do the single target one on everyone before the pull" on silly stuff like titan hm in roulettes.

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Originally Posted by 314159265358979323846264338327

With the change of positionals for DRG and the buff to their damage, I hope the boosts come in the form of hitting the positionals from the optimal location as well as their DoTs as to encourage playing correctly.

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Agreed. The positionals are what makes the class fun for me; I'd just like them to be more like MNK, where you get the boost if you hit them correctly but your DPS doesn't suffer horribly if you don't.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

SCH already has AoE Stoneskin. It's called Succor. WHM did not have an AoE Stoneskin before 2.45.

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No, they don't. Succor is not Stoneskin: it last a few seconds, it's weaker and the best part is that they stack. There's no reason to not apply both before a pull other than pure laziness.
SCHs need this as much as WHMs.

Know what would be cool? Somewhere between 50-60 CNJ gets a battle SS2. Big AOE coming? Swiftcast SS2.

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

Know what would be cool? Somewhere between 50-60 CNJ gets a battle SS2. Big AOE coming? Swiftcast SS2.

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Sure. But it will cost all WHM's mp, like flare.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

also we don't know if schs will be able to cross-class this.

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If they can, I want a weaker, shorter stoneskin built in to medica. My favorite thing about healing with a scholar (for fun) is succor and the galvanize.

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

Still, I hope this means we'll be more likely to see reapplying SS before more pulls.

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WHMs should already be doing this. :confused:

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Originally Posted by atomicdeath

stoneskin affects the fight. time saved by doing one spell instead of 4 affects the whole run.

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A seasoned healer reapplies stoneskin when the battle is nearing its end, when killing the last mob of the pull. This really wouldn't change much if a WHM does this throughout a dungeon, but will be an improvement when starting off or if they just want to do this at the end of the fight instead.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

Watch this have a 24-second cast time.

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Shame on you! :mad:

Anyone else see this? Coming in 2.45 apparently http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/b...20141204_4.jpg

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Originally Posted by M0xie

WHMs should already be doing this. :confused:

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Not all bosses really benefit from pre-stoneskinning the whole party before the pull.

e.g. Titan EX. The first Tumult will eat through it and you will overheal anyway, so no real benefit there.

Tanks will still run off before they get Protect.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

As mentioned during Letter from the Producer LIVE, we will be adding Stoneskin II to the array of conjurer’s spells in Patch 2.45. This spell will allow you to cast stoneskin on your entire party when you are not in combat.

White mages rejoice! Soon enough you won’t have to spam stoneskin on the entire party before you begin your next battle. I know Bayohne is as excited about this as everyone else.

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Um... Why White Mages deserve the upgrade more than Scholars? What if you enter Duty finder and there are two Scholars and they have to cast Stonesking manually? It's discriminatory.

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Originally Posted by Alkar

No, they don't. Succor is not Stoneskin: it last a few seconds, it's weaker and the best part is that they stack. There's no reason to not apply both before a pull other than pure laziness.
SCHs need this as much as WHMs.

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Because I was responding to someone talking about 4-man dungeon runs where you could get a scholar instead of a white mage. The change is equalizing, not imbalancing since now both jobs are equal in being able to cast an aoe shield before a pull. If SCH gets the aoe Stoneskin as well, then you'll just unbalance it again by letting SCH able to put up two different shields on the party in just 2 casts. In 8 man trials and raids, you're correct, there's no reason not to cast both before a pull.

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

Not all bosses really benefit from pre-stoneskinning the whole party before the pull.

e.g. Titan EX. The first Tumult will eat through it and you will overheal anyway, so no real benefit there.

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This is the most ridiculous thing I've read all day! Let them take full tumult damage and not mitigate any of it with stoneskin? You know there's more than one tumult right? I've never overhealed on this mechanic.

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Originally Posted by M0xie

This is the most ridiculous thing I've read all day! Let them take full tumult damage and not mitigate any of it with stoneskin? You know there's more than one tumult right? I've never overhealed on this mechanic.

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You have to cast an aoe heal medica or medica 2 on the first aoe it will over heal and thus you wasted all that time casting stoneskin.

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Originally Posted by M0xie

This is the most ridiculous thing I've read all day! Let them take full tumult damage and not mitigate any of it with stoneskin? You know there's more than one tumult right? I've never overhealed on this mechanic.

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Depending on semantics, Tumult can be treated as "multiple Tumults" or "a multi-hit attack." (Another example would be Bahamut's Claw in T9)
I treated it as the latter. My reasoning is because once the cast goes off (in the case of Tumult, instant cast time) the boss will finish the attack before changing actions/phases.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You have to cast an aoe heal medica or medica 2 on the first aoe it will over heal and thus you wasted all that time casting stoneskin.

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^ yes

Pre-pull whole party stoneskinning is, on a macro level, a waste of time in Titan EX. It doesn't make a lick of difference to the party's survivability whatsoever.