Cash shop confirmed

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Originally Posted by Roris

Optional items for a game are still part of the game, having those items only be available from a cash shop is a very conscious decision about the direction of the game.

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That they really emphasized that they are NOT going toward P2W at all with this feature.

Stopping your subs will only raise questions to Yoshi-p as to why did a lot of people leave the game for? They will have a hard time figuring it out. If you just don't buy the optional stuff they will see plainly that people don't want that stuff.

Anyways, Voice your concerns it's very healthy to do so. However, I do not agree that stopping your sub or anyones sub will solve the "Optional" dilemma.

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Originally Posted by Barboron

What you're playing is a video game but what you are paying for, that's VERY important because it involves money, is a service. You are paying for a service. This service includes access to the game.

It's quite clear that there are people now unhappy with the service being provided with the money they are paying.

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They are unhappy because of what they think MIGHT happen to the service that they are paying for. As of right now, it's the same. It's basically crying over spilled milk that might get spilled over but hasn't yet, or may not ever happen.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

That telling people to leave the game is the same as asking for it to die.

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Well I would hate for that to happen as I love this game as much as you, it's why I'm on here trying to reason with the crazy people who think a new shop is gonna ruin their gaming lives. I think they are just looking for reasons to complain, not benefit the game in any way. There are plenty of people that play the game to have fun and they should stick around, the ones that just stick around to find stuff to complain about, I think should leave and take the drama with them.

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Originally Posted by Fayto

You do know your sub fee is just to renew your license to play the game, right? Nothing else.

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I was reading through the thread and this post made me stop dead in my tracks.

You need to stop now and just step away. You have absolutely no idea what you are taking about if that's what you think your sub is about.

Seriously. Just stop.

*sigh* Some people...

If it's the cost that's the issue, you have bigger things to worry about if you can't afford a few quid every once in a while.

If it's the fact that others will get nice vanity gear and you won't, suck it up, go get a job and quit crying.

If it's because you think suddenly they'll have zone entrances with an NPC demanding $5 to pass through to a new zone... you're one sadistic person.

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Originally Posted by Najara

I don't mind it. If it helps support the game I encourage the more wealthy players to go crazy.

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Not all money goes to development.

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Originally Posted by Skyl1n3

*sigh* Some people...

If it's the cost that's the issue, you have bigger things to worry about if you can't afford a few quid every once in a while.

If it's the fact that others will get nice vanity gear and you won't, suck it up, go get a job and quit crying.

If it's because you think suddenly they'll have zone entrances with an NPC demanding $5 to pass through to a new zone... you're one sadistic person.

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If you are unsure what it is, you haven't been reading other people's posts at all.

With regards to the Odin mount, look at it this way:
They developed the Odin mount at the same time they developed Urth's Fount Trial.
At some point during the development process the question must have been raised - Do we make this a drop, similar to the Extreme Primal mounts? Or do we put it into a cash shop.
This question WILL have come up during the development process. They have clearly chosen the route that will yield them money as opposed to the more fairer for all option.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

Not all money goes to development.

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yea, some of it goes into events like fanfest, and website, and forums, and to broadcast things like live letter

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Originally Posted by Heskett

They are unhappy because of what they think MIGHT happen to the service that they are paying for. As of right now, it's the same. It's basically crying over spilled milk that might get spilled over but hasn't yet, or may not ever happen.

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People are complaining now because the dev team have always encouraged feedback. Some of us have been giving our opinions on proposed changes to the game since 1.0. Some of those opinions have shaped the game you play now.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Coils is OPTIONAL content too. Doesnt need to be done to advance in the main story. Should they start charging extra for end game raids? Believe it or not poeple play mmos for different reasons and find enjoyment in different things. Because something doesnt effect you doesnt mean it doesnt effect anybody.

Dont want to pay extra for coil? Then DONT BUY IT! Its OPTIONAL after all.

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When the hell did items like minions/mounts and some vanity gear turn into complete RAIDS?!

You sound like one of those wacko conspiracy theorists, I assume you're wearing your tin foil hat just incase they announce auto level-up purchases?

Hey, check out all these people who aren't cancelling their subs because they don't care if other people have a fancy new pony.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

If you are unsure what it is, you haven't been reading other people's posts at all.

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I know what it is, I'm just covering all bases of what people are crying about...

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Originally Posted by Mahri

Hey, check out all these people who aren't cancelling their subs because they don't care if other people have a fancy new pony.

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Hey, check out all these people who will cancel their subs the first time they add level 1 cash shop re-textures of high end raid gear with a different color palate.

It's whatever as long as most of the money goes back into development of the game.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

yea, some of it goes into events like fanfest, and website, and forums, and to broadcast things like live letter

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And a lot of it goes to their pockets, not to keep the game alive, this cash shop is pure profit, excessive if you have any idea how well vanity items sell in f2p games, in the last f2p game I played vanity items gave more profit than gear enhancement items, people would spend hundreds for a 1% chance to get "special" things, you don't need that in a p2p game as the box sales AND sub usually pays off for everything and there's still a large profit.

If you want to support micro-transactions in a game you already paid for (box cost) and you keep paying for (sub cost) go ahead, but don't lie to yourself that this is for game development, that will go straight to their pockets.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

With regards to the Odin mount, look at it this way:
They developed the Odin mount at the same time they developed Urth's Fount Trial.
At some point during the development process the question must have been raised - Do we make this a drop, similar to the Extreme Primal mounts? Or do we put it into a cash shop.
This question WILL have come up during the development process. They have clearly chosen the route that will yield them money as opposed to the more fairer for all option.

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OR " For all we/you" know, this is a drop you can get in game with an option to buy it.

It just feels bad when you're paying a monthly subscription to have the exact chance to get in game items as everyone else, then only shop exclusive items so whoever pays more has more access to game items, that's so F2P move. I always loved P2P games because everyone has the same posibilities in obtaining the items, now we don't. Even if they're just vanity, some people wanna obtain everything available, that's what game content is for.

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Originally Posted by Mahri

Hey, check out all these people who aren't cancelling their subs because they don't care if other people have a fancy new pony.

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i dont care if it is a minion in the form of a piece of crap or the most awesome mount, this is a spit in the face at the player base, and the only thing i see here is that you are opening the mouth waiting for the loogie

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Originally Posted by Heskett

They are unhappy because of what they think MIGHT happen to the service that they are paying for. As of right now, it's the same. It's basically crying over spilled milk that might get spilled over but hasn't yet, or may not ever happen.

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You can't just lump everyone in and say everyone is unhappy because of what they think might happen. What's made me unhappy is what appears to have been decided and appears to be happening. Reason I say appears to is that SE seems to state something controversial and then last minute say something to ease people up. Now, again, it's the Sleipnir mount. I am already paying for this game so I expect to have the chance to unlock it through playing. While this hasn't been stated, I am hoping they will turn around and have it also available through playing the game.

The issue I'm having is that now everything not "progression" is on the table for cash shop.

New dye colors? New cute minions? New cool mounts? More vanity gear (ie lighting, dragon quest, etc)? Are they all on the table for cash shop now and we're ok with it? So if 1 out of the next 20 mounts is cash shop is that ok? 1 out of the next 10? Next 5? Next 2? You want a metallic copper dye? Well that'll be $2? I guess furniture items are not progression either right? $5 for the moogle desk is fine?

I'm not ok with this :c

Let me point something out:
SE has not commented on a service to change character names in over a year. That being said, myself and im sure many others, have made new characters with our desired names to play FFXIV. Because we made new characters, and event items are not tradeable or there is no sort of account warehouse, we lose the hard earned event items we have gotten in the past. I personally banked on the fact that this game gave players the ability to obtain event rewards through the relaunch of events (such as the lightning returns event that ran at least 2x this year).
This being said, with a Cash Shop, previous event items are restricted - meaning if you miss it, boo hoo for you.

Now, I wouldn't be pissed off if SE would have just addressed their status on character name changes. They give you a potion to change your character's gender ffs but well over a year and we dont even have an update on character name changes?

I know name changes have nothing to do with this topic, but it is due to the lack thereof, that I made a new character to play through the game, but doing so I had to give up my event items... and now that I have to BUY said items with money instead of patiently waiting for a possible relaunch of the event?

This DOES affect me. Even if I don't want to spend money in the cash shop, it affects me due to my situation above. It's not just about who is willing to pay or not pay for the cash shop.

But, Since it has been announced, there's nothing we can do to avoid it. We can complain as much as we want.... but this is how SE wants to do business.

Could be worse. There could be lockboxes.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

OR " For all we/you" know, this is a drop you can get in game with an option to buy it.

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Not really, during the live letter they said it would be a cash shop exclusive item.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

Not really, during the live letter they said it would be a cash shop exclusive item.

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I would have to rewatch it, because I personally didn't here that part. Also, there was no price on it like all the other stuff that did have prices.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

With regards to the Odin mount, look at it this way:
They developed the Odin mount at the same time they developed Urth's Fount Trial.
At some point during the development process the question must have been raised - Do we make this a drop, similar to the Extreme Primal mounts? Or do we put it into a cash shop.
This question WILL have come up during the development process. They have clearly chosen the route that will yield them money as opposed to the more fairer for all option.

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It wasn't even developed when they made the trial. The mount was an NPC-only mount for Odin ever since 2.0 added him. Odin's model is a player model on a player mount and Odin can be any race each time he spawns. That means a mount that was potentially usable by players has existed in the game since 2.0. They didn't need to do anything extra beyond link it to an item. And now they have chosen to charge us extra for something that's existed since 2.0.

I truly laugh at the people that are blinded and refuse to see the truth, when a game opens a cash shop something is seriously wrong. I would like to know the official amount of active online subscriptions. people already leave the game cause of lack of content and now they open a cash shop? LOL... WoW did that and lost half their subscribers, from a 10 million or so subscription they went down to like 5 million or so. good job yoshi-p! why not make it B2P or F2P if you are so found of cash shops...

if they opened a cash shop is cause they have lost a lot of subscribers so they need to get the lost revenue from somewhere, but i still see ffxiv turn into a F2P or B2P pretty soon.

The only acceptable cash items are services imo. If their vanity only shop has a success, they'll keep adding more and more exclusive vanity items in the shop, taking the content out of everyone's table. You'd be paying to enter a restaurant besides eating their food, as a reference.

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Originally Posted by Abed_Nego

I truly laugh at the people that are blinded and refuse to see the truth, when a game opens a cash shop something is seriously wrong. I would like to know the official amount of active online subscriptions. people already leave the game cause of lack of content and now they open a cash shop? LOL... WoW did that and lost half their subscribers, from a 10 million or so subscription they went down to like 5 million or so. good job yoshi-p! why not make it B2P or F2P if you are so found of cash shops...

if they opened a cash shop is cause they have lost a lot of subscribers so they need to get the lost revenue from somewhere, but i still see ffxiv turn into a F2P or B2P pretty soon.

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I really don't understand, it's simple to just not buy the optional items. When they see that isn't working for them they will cut off the cash shop idea entirely.

Dropping your sub does not resolve this particular situation, Not buying the optional stuff does.

*In Nigerian accent*
Here we go!

Does anyone remember Tera? Eventually the cash shop in Tera was built up to support their current monetization model: F2P

Adding an official cash shop to the game will only set in the precedent for what can become...

Unfortunately from my personal observations of mmorpg forums, no amount of whining/complaining will deter a company once they've made decisions of this nature, i.e adding a cash shop to their mmorpg.

I am slightly surprised and disappointed that Sleipnir can be bought. Thought it'll follow the tradition of being a rare drop.

I guess they're gonna release the price and all other purchaseble items in london fan fest.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I really don't understand, it's simple to just not buy the optional items. When they see that isn't working for them they will cut off the cash shop idea entirely.

Dropping your sub does not resolve this particular situation, Not buying the optional stuff does.

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This. The correct way to demonstrate against the cash shop is to stay subscribed but never purchase from the cash shop. This way they will know that people still like the game but not the cash shop. If people unsubscribe then it's conflated with many other possible reasons.

Unfortunately I don't have a lot of faith in people to exhibit self control and organization, but a boycott of the cash shop specifically is what we should do if we want it gone.

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Originally Posted by Fatestorm

Hey, check out all these people who will cancel their subs the first time they add level 1 cash shop re-textures of high end raid gear with a different color palate.

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Yes because World of Warcraft does this

wait

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Originally Posted by Arisme

i dont care if it is a minion in the form of a piece of crap or the most awesome mount, this is a spit in the face at the player base, and the only thing i see here is that you are opening the mouth waiting for the loogie

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Son/daughter, I done told you that the term is slap.

You best check yourself before you lose all your angry video gamer cred.


ed. but if you are insinuating that I would make out with Yoshi-P, I would not completely rule this out if it occurred within the right context.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I really don't understand, it's simple to just not buy the optional items. When they see that isn't working for them they will cut off the cash shop idea entirely.

Dropping your sub does not resolve this particular situation, Not buying the optional stuff does.

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again with that, its not about not buying the optional items, its about the disrespect to you playerbase, YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR A SUB, anything more is out of the question, and thats a fact.
if you dont hava a problem with that, keep playing i dont care, but im not giving my money to square anymore.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I guess they're gonna release the price and all other purchaseble items in london fan fest.

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They had some prices up there, not for the mount though. Minions and old Halloween gear seemed to be around £2-3.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I really don't understand, it's simple to just not buy the optional items. When they see that isn't working for them they will cut off the cash shop idea entirely.

Dropping your sub does not resolve this particular situation, Not buying the optional stuff does.

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You are completely missing the point. The issue isn't that it's simple to "just not buy it", but the fact that from now on, potential content will be lost to the cash shop just so SE can make an extra few dollars off of you every pay day.

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Originally Posted by Gextiv

*In Nigerian accent*
Here we go!

Does anyone remember Tera? Eventually the cash shop in Tera was built up to support their current monetization model: F2P

Adding an official cash shop to the game will only set in the precedent for what can become...

Unfortunately from my personal observations of mmorpg forums, no amount of whining/complaining will deter a company once they've made decisions of this nature, i.e adding a cash to their mmorpg.

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I'm not sure if we can discuss other games here but anyway, that game cash items at least were tradeable and always supplied. Not that I agree with it tho, just saying.
Also I doubt FFXIV would go F2P seeing how FFXI didn't after so many years. F2P is a desperate move to attract more players while earning more money with cash shop, it's a sign of a dying game craving for population. FFXIV is nowhere near that, it's pretty much alive.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

This. The correct way to demonstrate against the cash shop is to stay subscribed but never purchase from the cash shop. This way they will know that people still like the game but not the cash shop. If people unsubscribe then it's conflated with many other possible reasons.

Unfortunately I don't have a lot of faith in people to exhibit self control and organization, but a boycott of the cash shop specifically is what we should do if we want it gone.

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It's not going to work because it is a win/win situation. 1.) Subscribers are going to stay subscribed. They lose no money. 2.) There will always be someone who will buy from the cash shop. Still SE not losing any money.

Once a cash shop is announced in an mmo, it says forever. Never have I seen an MMO take a cash shop off its service after implementation. If there is such a game, I'd love to know.

We can complain. We can whine. We cannot stop this from happening.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

You are completely missing the point. The issue isn't that it's simple to "just not buy it", but the fact that from now on, potential content will be lost to the cash shop just so SE can make an extra few dollars of you every pay day.

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correct. I already done with this game. as soon as my time is done. i will not worry about ffxiv anymore. I got other games i can play. I might return on Heavensward for the content but thats it. i Play games for their content/Storylines. and since they release around 10 missions or so per patch i can finish 2.4 in one week so not worried. if i dont oh well. got more content to look forward in Spring next year or might as well just stay unsubscribed and see how the game fares from this point forward.

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Originally Posted by Gextiv

*In Nigerian accent*
Here we go!

Does anyone remember Tera? Eventually the cash shop in Tera was built up to support their current monetization model: F2P

Adding an official cash shop to the game will only set in the precedent for what can become...

Unfortunately from my personal observations of mmorpg forums, no amount of whining/complaining will deter a company once they've made decisions of this nature, i.e adding a cash to their mmorpg.

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Pretty much, cash shops are either set up on a game that launches as F2P, a game that is more sooner than later going F2P, a couple of Buy to Play games, or in WoW's case a cash shop that starts as cosmetic only but eventually adds P2W features like level boosts. Seeing how ARR is a straight up copy of a lot of MMOs, I don't see why any of these things won't eventually happen.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

This. The correct way to demonstrate against the cash shop is to stay subscribed but never purchase from the cash shop. This way they will know that people still like the game but not the cash shop. If people unsubscribe then it's conflated with many other possible reasons.

Unfortunately I don't have a lot of faith in people to exhibit self control and organization, but a boycott of the cash shop specifically is what we should do if we want it gone.

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Correct? Maybe... but will it do any good? The whales will more than make up for people who do not purchase from the cash shop. Once the cash shop is implemented, I doubt it will ever be removed.