If no one access a FC house in 35 Days you lose everything! Coming Patch 2.3 ><

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Originally Posted by FJerome

Here are some actual examples of not-especially-dramatic times various members of my FC have not been able to log-in for 35-day periods.

1) A & B went on a 40 day road-trip overseas, left PS3 at home (wouldn't have worked anyway, that whole voltage and PAL vs NTSC thing).
2) C had a study-abroad term, also left PS3 at home.
3) D bought a new flat, ISP service continually bungled reconnection because it was a new-build block and they couldn't figure out the wiring. It wasn't a major problem because they had mobile wireless but you can't install the launcher to an iPhone.
4) E's city got hit by the mother of all blizzards, ice damaged their outside wiring and their ISP was overwhelmed by other incidents and took forever to get around to fixing theirs. A friendly neighbour let them piggy-back off their wireless signal but there wasn't enough bandwidth between them to run the game without being a jerk about it.

Granted, this didn't happen all at once but there's no reason it couldn't have. Life happens.

This is a game.

Asking a group of people to make a serious long-term and constant commitment to the game to keep their group's progression isn't fun and it's a good way to make sure that when they drop their subscriptions they won't be coming back with the next patch.

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Having to come up with a story like this to make it justified for a FC to be absent 35 days, is proof enough that this isn't a problem.... Also, 4 people in the whole FC ? and they have a FC house ?

They could maybe increase the days to 40-50 to be on the safe side, but still... If your whole FC can't log in even once during 35 days, then the FC is dead....

Even if your whole FC for some reason isn't home for 35 days (why??), at least one could log in, either with a laptop, or from an internet café or something....

Point is, that FC's can easily find solutions to this problem, and if they can't bother with those solutions, then they might as well give up the plot to someone who will use it better.

So many tools...

You don't need a reason to not be able to log on. What if your free company just wanted to take a break or play another game together? Someone shouldn't have to keep subscribed every month to make sure their large in-game investment doesn't get taken from them for no good reason. It's just plain stupid.

A FC full of close-knit bros might go play another game for a few months and then come back to the game when a new patch hits. Sure, SE loses out on those subscriptions for a couple of months, but that's all they lose. If they come back to having something they put effort into being taken away from them though, they might say 'screw it' and play a game that isn't run by dbags instead. Who is more likely to unsubscribe for good? The guys who had their house (Which are a pain in the ass to acquire) taken away, or some dude who thinks "Lol lyke no one is using that plot for over a month, that upsets me for some reason derp-a-herp"? They're not doing ANYONE any favors here. It's just an idiotic proposed system.

Now I know some of you have very flimsy grasps of logic and think that this is good because it frees up space or whatever for other people to get houses. But guess what? SE could just add more wards. Why can't they? They can afford more servers and developers who can actually set-up and run things better. So why not? The options were never choose between either take people's stuff away after a short amount of time of inactivity or no houses for everyone else. False dilemma, look it up.

Not saying they shouldn't free up current wards at all, ever. 90 days would make a lot more sense considering that's around the time between major content updates, and is just a more reasonable amount of time. They could also add a way for people that know they're going to take a break to sell back their plots and building permits so they can get compensated, at least partially, so they're not getting completely boned. "But people will still complain that it is too short..." That's not an argument. Why not make it 8 hours then? People will complain either way, after all. Some time frames are still more reasonable then others. 90 days coincides with major content updates, at least. About a month coincides with...hmmm, subscription charges? Does SE really want to make it seem like this is just a ploy to keep people subscribed indefinitely with threat of punishment? That makes them look incompetent, because if they were good at making a game people would just stay subscribed because the game is full of enjoyable content and they wouldn't need to resort to such pathetic tactics like this.

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Originally Posted by Miburo

A FC full of close-knit bros might go play another game for a few months and then come back to the game when a new patch hits.

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Diablo 3. We'll be back in 2.3 maybe even 2.4.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

If your whole FC can't log in even once during 35 days, then the FC is dead

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No. An FC is "dead" if no one logs in ever again.

Eh, I can see why it bothers people, but It doesn't bother me that much. If NO MEMBER at all doesn't use the house for over 1 month then that FC is probably dead. They could extent the period though, maybe 3 months or 4.

I just hope they won't pull the same thing for personal housing, now that would be silly.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

Also, 4 people in the whole FC ? and they have a FC house?

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This quote alone completely discredits you and shows how much of a tool you really are. My FC only has four people and we own a house in the first ward of Mist. It didn't even take all of us saving up to buy it. U mad bro?

No matter what, this idea is stupid for smaller FC's with the small houses. The price for the small house is perfect for a four man FC to be able to purchase, but it's four man FC's that are more likely to end up not logging on for that time. Is it unlikely that ALL four people won't be able to log in at once for 30 days? Yes, it's very unlikely. However, SE as a company has to account for the incredibly unlikely. That's what running a business is about.

Also, the "People who can actually log on for 30 days at a time, deserve it more" argument is plain idiotic. There isn't even anything you can do with your house as of right now, so it makes no difference who gets it. SE just doesn't want to set up more instance servers, it's plain laziness.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

Here are some actual examples of not-especially-dramatic times various members of my FC have not been able to log-in for 35-day periods...

Granted, this didn't happen all at once but there's no reason it couldn't have. Life happens.

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All perfectly valid, but the catch is that they have to happen to EVERYONE in that FC. Now I could see how this could be a problem for 2-4 person FCs comprised of people who might go abroad/on a road trip together, but in that case simply park your character in your FC house and give a friend the responsibility of logging in once every 35 days. Millions of people entrust living, flesh and blood animals with their friends and acquaintances, I don't think it would be too much of a burden to give the care of your virtual avatar to a friend.

Hmmm... Merchant and Mender in my house, FC chest in my house, Market Board and Summoner Bell right outside of my house. Garden Right outside of my house....

I wana say I teleport here about 7 or 8 times every game session and almost always run into 1 or 2 FC mates... and I swear I have the least active FC on the planet!

How/Why would your entire Free Company possibly abandon your house for 35 days?

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

This quote alone completely discredits you and shows how much of a tool you really are. My FC only has four people and we own a house in the first ward of Mist. It didn't even take all of us saving up to buy it. U mad bro?

No matter what, this idea is stupid for smaller FC's with the small houses. The price for the small house is perfect for a four man FC to be able to purchase, but it's four man FC's that are more likely to end up not logging on for that time. Is it unlikely that ALL four people won't be able to log in at once for 30 days? Yes, it's very unlikely. However, SE as a company has to account for the incredibly unlikely. That's what running a business is about.

Also, the "People who can actually log on for 30 days at a time, deserve it more" argument is plain idiotic. There isn't even anything you can do with your house as of right now, so it makes no difference who gets it. SE just doesn't want to set up more instance servers, it's plain laziness.

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Calling me a tool for no reason is what I call being a tool.... I said nothing that could offend you or something....

All I meant with only 4 members, was that there are very few FC's around that have that few member and still have FC house, and to make up a story around how those 4 are all unable to log in for over month seems a little far fetched, that is all... No need to go calling people names.

The only reason for a FC (whatever size) to not be able to log in for 35 days, is if everyone takes a break at the same time... I mainly answered based on what people said about being unable to log in because of trips or whatever, but taking a break is another thing.

I think they can increase the time for that reason, but they have to have some type of restriction going forward into the game. If you take a break longer than 2 months, then you don't play anymore in other words....

This sucks, I had a 35 day vacation planned. Thanks for ruining it SE :(
Now I have to settle on 34 days...I might as well just cancel it altogether. Not even worth it at this point. T_T
/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

has to account for the incredibly unlikely. That's what running a business is about.

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Actually, statistically they are called "outliers" and are usually discarded before calculating a best-fit because they can skew results.

Taking away Plots of lands From Free Companies after 35 days of inactivity isn't going to help anyone. There are plenty of plots left on my server at least. I assume the reason why is that people want specific plot or specific wards. Adding more Wards is the only thing that is going to help. All this "if you don't use it you don't need it" thing is crap. If anyone really thinks that a FC is going to lose a Medium or Large house you are crazy! So what are FCs going to do wait months at a time and hope that FC on Plot 2 in Ward 3 never touches their house so they can buy it? People need to come back to reality. SE needs to add more Wards. As I said before this isn't going to effect very many FCs. But it will lead to a bigger issue Personal Housing. Yeah sure there are 250 people in the FC I could take a break and not worry about the house being gone. But what if this is applied to Personal Housing? If they do, no one that owns a house will be able to take break for more than 35 days. If they are doing this to FC housing, You can bet they will do it to personal housing. There are going to be thousands of Personal Houses compared to what 450 FC houses per server. If they have issues with 450 plots not being enough can you imagine how 4,500 plots are going to be? I don't know how many players there are on each server I remember them saying something like 6-7k lot of damn houses.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

. Also, 4 people in the whole FC ? and they have a FC house?.

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And your point? A Free Company only Requires Three People to start one. Never heard of players taking a break? Just because you take a break from the game for a month or two doesn't mean you quit. People take breaks often in the MMO world. MMOs don't make the world go round. I had a few friends that took a break after 2.1 and they just came back for 2.2. And it doesn't matter how many players are in a FC 1,5, or 500 a Free company is a free company. Not everyone needs dozens of players that they are probably never going to do anything with in their FCs.

A lot of you are ok with this because you are either in a big FC which is fine, Or you just don't think anything could happen to you. I don't think anyone here is trying to say that they should never remove a house. Many of us feel that the 35 day time period is to short. It should be longer or have an alternative.

Lots of you are thinking this is about players buying a FC house, paying there sub, and never touching their house. What people do with their Gil is up to them. But this is about small Free Companies losing something they put time in effort into. People get bored/burnt out/ Play other games/Cant pay bills or w/e (jail). Once this is implemented I can never take a break from the game for more than 35 days, Unless I hire someone to make an ALT to jump in my house once in a while. Or I just have to invite people I don't know or people I don't need to keep it.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

All I meant with only 4 members, was that there are very few FC's around that have that few member and still have FC house, and to make up a story around how those 4 are all unable to log in for over month seems a little far fetched, that is all... No need to go calling people names.

The only reason for a FC (whatever size) to not be able to log in for 35 days, is if everyone takes a break at the same time... I mainly answered based on what people said about being unable to log in because of trips or whatever, but taking a break is another thing.

I think they can increase the time for that reason, but they have to have some type of restriction going forward into the game. If you take a break longer than 2 months, then you don't play anymore in other words....

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I think you got it? There are a lot of FCs made up of small groups of friends. Mine started with 7 IRL friends/Family and 5 of them stopped playing. If I didn't have a static at the time I probably would have stopped playing until 2.2 as well. People take breaks with the intention of coming back all the time, I did it many times in the 9 years I played FFXI, The longest of which was over a year and it wasn't by choice.

And as I have said many times this is only going to effect a very very small minority of FCs. If they think removing an inactive FCs house is going to help then fine, But it needs to be handled better than 35 days of inactivity and you lose Everything.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

[Snip]Once this is implemented I can never take a break from the game for more than 35 days, Unless I hire someone to make an ALT to jump in my house once in a while. Or I just have to invite people I don't know or people I don't need to keep it.[Snip]

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In addition to this, remember the whole "FC leader has to log in every month or so or they're demoted to basic member and someone who has been online in the last week gets promoted to leader, based on rank and seniority". Even if you bring in someone else just to step into the place once a month, chances are they'll be the new leader when you come back... Then who knows? They may very well boot you out of your own company and/or sell your house out from under you :(

Hmm, I get the OP. 35 days doesn't seem like enough considering the gil spent on the cost of a house. On Diabolos, houses are still stupid expensive. I could personally only afford a small house (2mil-ish), but who really want's a small house? For the FC I'm in we want a large house (which I think runs around 50mil), or possibly, if we have to make due because of the cost, a medium house (15mil-ish).

I would hate to spend all that gil on a house, end up having to take a break from the game and come back to find the FC house has vanished. (or my personal house, if this get's implemented) All in all, if the server can't handle having vacant houses for a month, then there is something really wrong with the servers.

I would totally be up for the suggestion of 90-120 days before such a thing occurred, if this is something that is definitely going to happen.

I'm for this but 35 days is way to short. Agree if people spent money and time in a house they should have a decent amount of time not to loose it.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

If they think removing an inactive FCs house is going to help then fine, But it needs to be handled better than 35 days of inactivity and you lose Everything.

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May I ask how you would handle it? Curious.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

May I ask how you would handle it? Curious.

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Arkista has mentioned 3 main suggestions that have come forward repeatedly throughout the thread:
Adding more instances instead,
Extending the period to 60-90 days
Sending some sort of compensation to the FC leader/bank (such as a land deed comparable to what was lost)

I'm not sure the compensation route would really work but the other two I strongly support.

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Originally Posted by OSUBuckeye4

What school do you go to where final exams last 35 days?

All of the reasons you keep stating are laughable.

No one is going to take 5 weeks to have a baby... my wife was high risk and we spent a week in the hospital. I've had cousins who were ultra high risk and they were out of the hospital within 3 weeks.

5 weeks for a funeral? Where is this funeral taking place, Mars?

A "dorm-wide internet outage nightmare".... for 5 weeks? Seriously? Go to a friends house off campus, plug your computer in, log in, enter and exit your house. Problem solved.

SE isn't saying that you need to expand upon your housing every 35 days... just saying that someone needs to walk in the front door.

That takes all of 30 seconds, if that.


I swear, some people will just complain for the sake of complaining.


In closing... yes, SE is basically telling small FC's that they need to ensure ONE member maintains a subscription and logs in every 5 weeks in order to keep the FC housing. If this makes you mad becasue you were thinking of not paying for the next two months, then coming back and expecting your housing to be retained... you lose.

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I didn't say anything like that, I think you quoted the wrong person.

But only because our FC consists only of 2 real persons we are NOT ALLOWED to take a break from the game that takes longer than 35 days but people of big FCs are?
It is only POSSIBLE that both of us are unable to not log in for more than 35 days because of an illness or whatever. But it is more likely that all members of a family based FC want to take a break from playing FF XIV for 2 months and don't pay the subscription for that time.
Does no one of you ever take breaks from playing a video game?
If you really lose your FC house if no one enters it for 35 days than really small FCs are FORCED to play every 35 days and that's just wrong.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

May I ask how you would handle it? Curious.

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I don't have an issue with them wanting to remove an inactive Free Companies house. I do have an issue with SE only giving players 35 days. So what I have suggested and some people have suggested stuff too.

1- Extend the time to 90 days. That should be more than enough time for people to return from a break. Patches are every three months.
2- If it must be 35 days. Then upon the forfeit of the Free Company House, It should become a Land Deed and a Building Permit for the same size land that the Free Company had purchased. And sent to the Free Company Leader via Moogle Mail or sent to the FC chest.
3- Add more Wards. I mean honestly if you have the money to buy a house would you wait 35 days or more just to try and get a certain plot?

I think Option 1 is the easiest. And I think option 2 is the best if it must be 35 days at least then you only lose Furnishings and even then that could be millions of gil. Option 3 is what SE should be doing.

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Originally Posted by mbncd

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Thanks. ^^

Here this is for all of you guys that are in disbelief about small FCs. Correct me if I'm wrong but does that say 47,281 FCs with 1-10 players?

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...nt=1-10&order=

There are more Free Companies with 1-10 players than all the others combined...

11-30 Players 15,251
31-50 Players 2,993
over 51 Players 2,973


Yes obviously not everyone owns a FC house.

Okay, I agree that 35 days is a bit extreme. But I think I know where SE is trying to point out. What if say 2 years from now, all the plots are sold on all active servers. And yet there is several houses that are left untouch cause people took breaks or quit the game. That house is taking up space in the server that could be used for something else or by another fc. They are trying to cycle out the houses that are unused so that people who are wanting that plot can take it.

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Originally Posted by Kaela

Okay, I agree that 35 days is a bit extreme. But I think I know where SE is trying to point out. What if say 2 years from now, all the plots are sold on all active servers. And yet there is several houses that are left untouch cause people took breaks or quit the game. That house is taking up space in the server that could be used for something else or by another fc. They are trying to cycle out the houses that are unused so that people who are wanting that plot can take it.

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No one is trying to dispute them taking away the house after it is inactive for a period of time. 35 days is the problem, Its to short.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

No one is trying to dispute them taking away the house after it is inactive for a period of time. 35 days is the problem, Its to short.

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As I mentioned in my original post. I agree 35 days is a bit extreme.

Though here is a suggestion. If one knows they are going on leave or might leave, why don't they add in a few other FC members that will be active and will check in on the house while you are gone. Then there are no problems at all.

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Originally Posted by Kaela

Okay, I agree that 35 days is a bit extreme. But I think I know where SE is trying to point out. What if say 2 years from now, all the plots are sold on all active servers. And yet there is several houses that are left untouch cause people took breaks or quit the game. That house is taking up space in the server that could be used for something else or by another fc. They are trying to cycle out the houses that are unused so that people who are wanting that plot can take it.

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Well yeah. The most glaring issue is the short time frame, which you agree is pretty dumb too. Anyone with any sense would agree, I'd hope. 90 days is much more reasonable since housing is a large investment that shouldn't be taken away so easily, and it coincides with major content patches. If wards are filling up with that set-up then they need to add more wards.

Edit: Players shouldn't have to work around blatantly stupid dev decisions. The devs should implement a less crappy system, which is what is being argued here.

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Originally Posted by Kaela

As I mentioned in my original post. I agree 35 days is a bit extreme.

Though here is a suggestion. If one knows they are going on leave or might leave, why don't they add in a few other FC members that will be active and will check in on the house while you are gone. Then there are no problems at all.

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Because, if the core group is gone for 35 days, they will come back to find one of the brand new people they had just invited is now the leader of their FC. It goes to the highest ranking active member.

I want to know what time scale people are on that they think slightly over a month is a "short" period of time.

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Originally Posted by Kaela

As I mentioned in my original post. I agree 35 days is a bit extreme.

Though here is a suggestion. If one knows they are going on leave or might leave, why don't they add in a few other FC members that will be active and will check in on the house while you are gone. Then there are no problems at all.

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Yeah I got that you agree with 35days being to short. Sorry you said something about 2 years and an inactive house. The only issue with adding in players to a FC are they coming in for housing, Friendship, Raiding, or just to have a FC until they find better? Will they stay until you and whoever else returns? Also someone said that if you don't return after so many days then the Leadership is passed on and that you could lose your house and FC.

I have friends and we all have different FCs, but most of us are in the same Linkshell. Me personal I can't offer anyone anything Playing wise. I have a static as most do not require entry into a FC. If it comes down to it in the end that SE will not at least raise the time period then I will just have to continue to pay a monthly sub and login at least once if I'm taking a break. Some of the people in my FC that left said they will return, but with 4 of them playing ESO together I doubt it will be anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by givemeraptors

I want to know what time scale people are on that they think slightly over a month is a "short" period of time.

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Ok for one I don't have any financial issues I'm good. But what happens if someone has a FC and its just them left their mates took a break, He says I'll unsub for 30days and just resub before the 35th day so I don't lose my house. Well 25 days into the 35days the guy loses his Job and has to make a choice pay real bills like an adult or pay for a video game. 35 days in an adults world isn't very long. I moved from Florida to Washington and went 3 months without internet that could handle FFXI Because stupid Century Link has crap internet service, so I had to wait 3 months to find a new place to get Wave Broadband.

I can see 60 or 90 days not 35. Regardless they still need to beef up the servers or give housing to include personal separate servers.

I'm glad they are trying to do something to ensure the wards remain full with active players. 35 days might be too short (personally I'm fine with it) but anything longer than 90 days and they are going to miss the mark on keeping a ward feeling active. Maybe they could automatically just put up the plot up for sale and then only reclaim the house if there was an actual buyer (potentially putting the sold price into the inactive FCs bank). There's no reason to reclaim it unless there's a demand for the plot by an active FC.

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Originally Posted by givemeraptors

I want to know what time scale people are on that they think slightly over a month is a "short" period of time.

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There's actually a number of ways to look at it being a short period of time. The most prevalent is for financial outlooks. There are players who are a little tight on their budget, yet find the $10-15 a worthwhile expenditure for entertainment, that would definitely feel that a month is short. Most of the time, we aren't paid by the day. Normal pay periods are twice a month, of which perhaps much of it goes to higher priority responsibilities. Sometimes, they have to take breaks, and when you live by paycheck, there are going to be infrequent periods of time (often a month or so because of pay periods) that you can't really afford to pay for entertainment. /datlife

Otherwise, there are situations like children, especially newborns, where periods of time are going to be practically every second of the day involving responsibilities pertaining to family/kids. School/finals/etc are often another one. Very small FCs, especially ones that only consist of RL friends/family, will run into these exact situations from time to time.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

We paid the gil and time into that house. SE should not be able to take it from us.

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Lol it's their game, SE has the rights to it.
If you worked hard for the house you might as well work "hard" to keep it.
Just visit your house every 20-30 days problem solved?

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Originally Posted by Naunet

This right here is the kicker. The biggest impact this rule will have is in preventing people from re-subbing - the exact opposite of what SE wants.

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I can promise you there's more people subbing for the game's actual content overall than just housing - Especially when F2P/B2W/Freemium MMOs have FAR, FAR, FAR superior housing systems to XIV, they can be spending their time and money elsewhere.

I understand your sentiment, however them doing this won't even cause a ripple in the sub count compared to the ATMA Fate grinding which would cause way more people to not sub compared to losing a generally pointless house when no one wants to use it for 35 days.

If you're gonna take a break you might as well invite a friend's alt to your fc and ask them to help you check in the house every couple weeks. *Gasps* it's just like in real life.

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Originally Posted by Namasu

If you're gonna take a break you might as well invite a friend's alt to your fc and ask them to help you check in the house every couple weeks. *Gasps* it's just like in real life.

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Because in real life if you go on vacation for a month, your neighbors blow your house up and allow any random strangers to rebuild.

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Originally Posted by Chasely

Because in real life if you go on vacation for a month, your neighbors blow your house up and allow any random strangers to rebuild.

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Maybe not, but there should be people looking into it. There was a story not long ago about a homeowner found dead in their home only after their bank account started bouncing automatic payments. They were in the house, dead, for years. We can consider company members going into the house paying the housing bills. You pay the bills, you keep the house. Don't even have to stay long; go in, get out, continue on with your life. You could be keeping a dead body in there and so long as 'you pay the bills' noone will care.

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Originally Posted by Namasu

If you're gonna take a break you might as well invite a friend's alt to your fc and ask them to help you check in the house every couple weeks. *Gasps* it's just like in real life.

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Yeah, because in real life your friend will become the owner of your house after over a month too. Oh wait...

Hey, they should make your character randomly have a chance to get sick and you have to spend tons of gil for treatment. Then they could add health insurance options for your character. Just like in real life! Real life in videogames is such a good argument.

It's 5 days longer than the minimum subscription period.

If you've unsubscribed for longer than a month or haven't had a single member access the instance you should probably lose the server space.

Especially considering the fact that there are a limited number of Wards, and that certain plots are more desirable than others.

I don't see how this is anything to complain about.

If they're going to destroy a person's house, the least SE could do is save all the decorations. Send them via system mail to the FC leader so that if/when an individual returns to the game, they don't get the double-punch-to-the-gut of not only having lost their millions spent on the house, but also all the time and gil invested in decorating it.

Quick, let's all lick Square Enix's boots and give them MORE money so they can upgrade their hamsters to WEASELS!

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Originally Posted by Arkista

You must still live with your parents? Cause I don't think you know how the Adult world works. People have given plenty of examples of real life situations that could stop someone from playing for more than 35 days at a time. Imagine if you had a small FC maybe 5 people and everyone but you quit, You own a house, and then your dad says "Son I'm not paying for your FFXIV for the next Two Months". Guess what? You're screwed. Again and people really need to get this, This will only effect a small minority of FCs.

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Actually, I am a 34 year old man with a full time job I work out of town often and work over 50 hours a week in most cases and more sometimes. I have no children but have a married life and life responsibilities that comes with marriage and having a social life. I still find time to log in for at LEAST an hour within 35 days.

So I will re-iterate, stop being over dramatic. If you can't afford 5 minutes to log in to save your house then you should:

a) Not own one.
b) Join a FC that can support one

If your FC isn't active enough to where a single member can't log in for 35 days, you don't need one.

If RL has you occupied for that long, there's clearly other priorities aside from this game.