FC house prices is a step in the right direction for this game! Less casual friendly.

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Mostly because you don't try to even think about it. You earn money by selling item in the market ? It's no earning money; it is circulating money. Who will by your item ? NPC ? or a player ? Where did that player earn money from ? by selling other item on the market ? Hence there IS NO new money pour into the game. Try to think before posting.

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You know, it would be easier to take you seriously if you didn't call people stupid every time you post. :) There's a few things I could say about your ability to be coherent, but they would be mean of me to say, so I will simply go with: Please be polite if you want a polite response.

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The price of houses is correct because it force player to earn new money instead of circulating the total amount of money in the server.

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I am glad you are happy about the prices. I am not. I disagree on a fundamental level with you, and I think your conclusions are very far off the mark. However, it's just as clear that you are incapable - probably willfully, tbh - of discussing this on a rational level with people who disagree with you. You instead tell them things like, "Try to think before posting," which is hilarious coming from you.

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Originally Posted by Ethir

Hence there IS NO new money pour into the game. Try to think before posting.

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Except, you know, the tens of thousands of dungeon runs by players every week, and all the allagan pieces sold to npc, and the leves used by people to lvl up....

You know, the thing that you said people should do(and is already doing)?

Think before posting indeed.

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Originally Posted by Xenobius

Clueless as Ethir is, he actually almost has a point - gil sink/fountain ratio in FFXIV is out of balance - mostly because repairs, teleport costs and market board fees (the latter being the greatest offender) eat up most of the "fresh" income, and barely any gil is truly generated once you're done with the main story line + side quests.

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Yup, that I definitely agree - but adding a huge sink that will do little other than encourage hoarding and depressing what little economic activity are left (ironically not unlike what happened to Japan for several decades) is exactly what you shouldn't do.

It will really come down to the amount of gil injection in 2.1, but I don't have much faith that SE is competent enough to strike a good balance based on their past record. This kind of housing price would be acceptable if there was the economic foundation to support it, but I don't see that happening in 14 anytime soon, if ever.

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Originally Posted by Nica

Except, you know, the tens of thousands of dungeon runs by players every week, and all the allagan pieces sold to npc, and the leves used by people to lvl up....

You know, the thing that you said people should do(and is already doing)?

Think before posting indeed.

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Clueless as Ethir is, he actually almost has a point - gil sink/fountain ratio in FFXIV is out of balance - mostly because repairs, teleport costs and market board fees (the latter being the greatest offender) eat up most of the "fresh" income, and barely any gil is truly generated once you're done with the main story line + side quests.

They should at least give free starter housing maybe that would solve the problem. Give huts as the first type of housing for free sort of like the cool Mog house in FFXI you get for free.

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Originally Posted by CrowBlader

lol it's ridiculously hilarious seeing all the ppl on the forums QQing about house prices. I mean god dam did you expect a GOD DAM HOUSE to be a cheap as dirt bs? it's a fking house for god dam sakes xD

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Originally Posted by Ethir

Mostly because you don't try to even think about it. You earn money by selling item in the market ? It's no earning money; it is circulating money. Who will by your item ? NPC ? or a player ? Where did that player earn money from ? by selling other item on the market ? Hence there IS NO new money pour into the game. Try to think before posting.

The price of houses is correct because it force player to earn new money instead of circulating the total amount of money in the server.

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I have to side with Liadan and several others on this... and say you are still missing the critical point: the pricing for housing IS excessive. Rather than creating a gil sink, what even likely occur is that the economy could start to become stagnant in some areas because people might cut spending and start trying to horde up their gil.

About why I still say the pricing is ridiculous is quite simple. Allow me to explain... if Yoshi and the Dev team had specified that the first class housing (costing 312 million on my server, Excalibur) would be something similar to a mini city, then I would say yes, the price is justified. Thus, it now becomes a unique status symbol that all the largest wealthiest guilds can all aspire towards.

For example, (and I will try to use some simple games here to get my point across)... in games like dot.hack GU, the two largest guilds had their own exclusive housing zones with their own private council rooms, pvp arena's and so forth. Even in SAO, the Knights of the round had a massive stone palace and such.

Now, here on Eorzea, if Yoshi had said the first class FC housing would be the size of say, a whole zone within Ul'Dah (something like the whole "Chamber of Rule" area)... and that it comes with its own aetherythe crystal that gives free ports, its own private pvp training arena, private lake or river or pool, private rooms for all members, private garage out back for a couple huge airships, private chocobo breeding grounds etc...

Then, it now becomes (and sustains) a clear future objective that the "elitists" can continue to strive towards. But charging 300 million for the land that will hold the mansion that was shown in previous Live letters is just too exuberant and demolishes the morale of newer smaller FCs who have actually worked very hard to stay together while hoping to find a private niche they can call their own.

Personally, the more I think about it, the more I realize I'm not bothered about it anymore... I just won't buy. Period.

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For once, we are actually getting a real challenge in the game that is not obtainable by 99 percent of the playerbase. I am glad SE makes you feel this is impossible because so far it has all been a cakewalk. Honestly, they got it the wrong way around. Relics should have costed 8 mil, not houses. You know, relics costed 100+ mil in FFXI, and Mythic weapons were over 300++ mil. Houses are clearly going to be a luxury item, not a casual reward you get from grinding dungeons or defeating 3 easy bosses. Hope you guys understand and stop crying about RMT and having things become hard. Boo hoo.... Get with the program and learn about past MMOs that were actually challenging for once. This is a huge plus for the FFXI veterans.

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If you think something is hard because it takes a long time to achieve then congratulations you fail at life.

The prices are exuberant! 625 million for a plot of land? yeah SE can pretty much keep the game to themselves! I mean really folks the houses will be ridiculous to build. Even on those Tier 1 legacy servers, if the FC had 500 people they would have to donate something like 1.2~ million and not everyone goes out to farm stuff like that!

Way to go SE you reduce gil 1/10 of its 1.0 value and jack up up plots 100/1 of the value ! "THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH"

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I have to side with Liadan and several others on this... and say you are still missing the critical point: the pricing for housing IS excessive.

Allow me to explain... if Yoshi and the Dev team had specified that the first class housing (costing 312 million on my server, Excalibur) would be something similar to a mini city, then I would say yes, the price is justified. Thus, it now becomes a unique status symbol that all the largest wealthiest guilds can all aspire towards.

For example, (and I will try to use some simple games here to get my point across)... in games like dot.hack GU, the two largest guilds had their own exclusive housing zones with their own private council rooms, pvp arena's and so forth. Even in SAO, the Knights of the round had a massive stone palace and such.

Now, here on Eorzea, if Yoshi had said the first class FC housing would be the size of say, a whole zone within Ul'Dah (something like the whole "Chamber of Rule" area)... and that it comes with its own aetherythe crystal that gives free ports, its own private pvp training arena, private lake or river or pool, private rooms for all members, private garage out back for a couple huge airships, private chocobo breeding grounds etc...

Then, it now becomes (and sustains) a clear future objective that the "elitists" can continue to strive towards. But charging 300 million for the land that will hold the mansion that was shown in previous Live letters is just too exuberant and demolishes the morale of newer smaller FCs who have actually worked very hard to stay together while hoping to find a private niche they can call their own.

Personally, the more I think about it, the more I realize I'm not bothered about it anymore... I just won't buy. Period.

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While I'm still willing to save up with my friends to buy the largest FC plot, I definitely agree with you in this case. We're still getting personal housing in an untold number of months, and Free Company housing should be a big goal. It should be something that FCs can work together on so they can feel a sense of completion and accomplishment.

But for something to be viable as a longterm goal, it has to appear to be a worthwhile investment. In other words, it has to be worth the time. I'm willing to put in a lot of effort to get that First Class plot because I'm a housing maniac, but I'm definitely not gonna white knight about it. I can more than understand why people wouldn't want to, and I hope there can be more budgeted options for FC Housing in the future.

I'm tired of the casual player stuff! Why a game can't cater to both types of players? Am I a casual cause i want housing, like housing, and craft more than I do dungeons? No it's because I have a family, friends and working on obtaining my Masters Degree to become a Nurse Anethesis and Nurse Practitioner. I don't expect to be geared like the "Hardcore" folks, just want to play the game in a reasonable way

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

How?

No, seriously - how?

How will this revive Marketboards when the bulk of the gil is being taken out of the economy? Who the ever-loving hell is going to buy the items on the Marketboards when no one has any gil?! And those that do have gil, that can buy houses, they comprise a tiny percentage of the overall server population. So if 1-5% of the server are the only ones needing furniture, who the hell is going to be buying anything? Those that have the gil already have the trades in-house to make it themselves. I mean, seriously...

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It would force them to have to buy things again in order to make more money. Rather than dip into their deep pockets.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

Rich people control the market. It would force them to have to buy things again in order to make more money. Rather than dip into their deep pockets.

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I wonder if you even realize exactly how much you are contradicting yourself. :-\ It's like, English, what does it mean? >.<

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

Smh, just keep pouting because you're not getting a handout.

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No. It's like you don't understand how economics works...at all.

If people are spending all of their money on a plot of land, or hoarding their money trying to reach the amount they need to purchase the plot of land, who exactly is buying anything on the Marketboards?

Seriously, if you spend a moment to think about what you said logically, you'll understand why it doesn't make any sense.

Everyone in opposition of the housing prices, go to: JP Forum and 'Like' the OP.

The more centralized the opposition to the ridiculous pricing scheme, the better chance we will be heard!

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Smh, just keep pouting because you're not getting a handout.

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Strawman argument is bad.

Just going to copy what I said in another thread:

The prices for Balmung/Excal/Hyperion/Rag/Sarg are perfectly fine for small and medium, though maybe reduce the large by a little bit.
The prices for the other bundle legacy servers is definitely too high, not sure why it's different.
Prices for non-legacy servers are beyond fine, and easy to get.

These are houses for an FC. An entire guild of people. Working together. Not a personal house.

Just change all legacy to be the same price, and reduce the cost of a Large 5th class to about 150mil, that would make Large 1st class around 225mil. Also taking into consideration the price drop every 6 hours.

Way too many people complaining these prices are too high (even the 8mil tag on the 5th plot on non-legacy servers...tell me again how you haven't been able to save up only 8 mil with a 30man FC in the past few months? ) The problem isn't with SE or the prices, it's between the chair and the keyboard. People ignore the posts that are logical so that they may continue their "NO U" arguments.

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Originally Posted by Loony_BoB

No, I've been saving since launch, and I know others have, too. ^^; This is probably the reason that there is so much gil "in circulation" in the first place!

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This.

I do think that prices are okay, at least on my server where a large is only 100mil. Still a huge amount for my tiny FC, something for us all to work towards.

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Way too many people complaining these prices are too high (even the 8mil tag on the 5th plot on non-legacy servers...tell me again how you haven't been able to save up only 8 mil with a 30man FC in the past few months? ) The problem isn't with SE or the prices, it's between the chair and the keyboard. People ignore the posts that are logical so that they may continue their "NO U" arguments.

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No, they simply disagree with you. Everything you've posted is pure opinion, and nothing more. Just like everything everyone else is posting. No one is required to agree with you, and just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them wrong. But your opinion would seem to be a minority on these forums, which suggest that what is "just fine" for you isn't "just fine" for everyone else. Not everyone is in your shoes. Not everyone has had your experiences. Different people have different opinions, and they are entitled to post them here, and to express dismay and even outrage if SE does something they feel is detrimental to their gameplay experience. They're not "ignoring logical posts," but what exactly are they supposed to say in response to you, hm? "No, you're wrong" or "No, I disagree"? Exactly where does that get them?

I'm glad you're happy with the prices. I really wish, though, that you had even a small bit of empathy for people who are not.

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I do think that prices are okay, at least on my server where a large is only 100mil. Still a huge amount for my tiny FC, something for us all to work towards.

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100 million, or even 50 million is too much, for any size. The journey with the content should not happen before you even begin to experience the content. Squeenix has gotten this backwards. Obtaining a plot and house - FC or otherwise - should be just a minor bump in a long road that stretches out well into the future after you get your house. The bulk of the journey and collective effort should come from gathering, crafting, and otherwise obtaining items to create a masterpiece of a house. Of course, Squeenix's editing system for the houses is pretty darn minimal, so maybe they figured they'd hide their lack of a fully-fledged housing system (seriously - take a look at Rift for THE best) by locking it behind an absurd paywall to make people think they're actually doing something.

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I'm not asking for people to agree with me. However I'd like to get more opinions than just the same "it's too high [insert expectations of a 4man guild being able to afford largest house here] or something about the small houses not being good enough"
And on the flip side, people saying "thx for making this not for the casuals!" is also silly, since, housing isn't really a main piece of content.
Silly me for expecting actual discussion from the forums.

Edit: I also gave examples of reducing the cost of the Largest house to something possibly more reasonable, and I disagree with the cost for that one group of legacy servers.

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Of course, Squeenix's editing system for the houses is pretty darn minimal, so maybe they figured they'd hide their lack of a fully-fledged housing system

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Hopefully they'll improve it before personal housing comes out...

A logical decision that many logical people have already pointed out multiple times is that the actual furnishing and expansion of the house should be the main gil and time sinks and like them I agree, I wouldn't mind that at all because that's what the majority of logical people were expecting in the first place. The exorbitant prices are only for the land itself and they don't include the house, I repeat, they don't include the house. Yes, you also have to pay for the house and yes, they've said it will be considerably cheaper, but it's still an extra expense on top of the high admittance price.

So why put such a high paywall behind such highly advertised content? Like many have also mentioned, many other MMOs offer the land and even the basic house for free, two big examples are FFXI and Rift. Are they afraid their servers can't handle the additional load? Because they mentioned expanding instance servers, that's pretty much what the bulk of tomorrow's maintenance will be, and I can't imagine there are that many FCs on a single server either or people staying in their house 24/7.

It's a bad decision any way you want to see it and I'm really sorry, but the moment you start blaming the players for being understandably upset about it it's the moment you've lost the argument.

Yes. Lets drive the vast majority of players away from this game so it can die alone in a ditch like Square Enix's first failed attempt. That way the entire team can get replaced (again) and the company can go bankrupt. That's just a wonderful idea.

/sarcasmoff

Seriously though, the only way this game will work is if it appeals to the widest array of players possible. Yeah, that means casual content.

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Originally Posted by Roris

they don't include the house. Yes, you also have to pay for the house and yes, they've said it will be considerably cheaper, but it's still an extra expense on top of the high admittance price.

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I agree with you the house should come with the plot of land. I also don't know of any other game that makes you purchase these separately...Maybe reskins for your original home model, but definitely not the base.

Also, blaming players for being "understandably" upset...no. There is a difference between people saying "I can't afford 500mil+ this is absurd" and "My fc of 30+ people has been saving for months and 8mil is impossible"

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Yes. Lets drive the vast majority of players away from this game so it can die alone in a ditch like Square Enix's first failed attempt. That way the entire team can get replaced (again) and the company can go bankrupt. That's just a wonderful idea.

/sarcasmoff

Seriously though, the only way this game will work is if it appeals to the widest array of players possible. Yeah, that means casual content.

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WoW reached 10 million subs with content considerably less casual friendly than this.
It took weeks or months to reach max level. Then grind heroics for weeks to get ready for raiding. Oh hey, rng loot drops and and weekly lockouts meant you might not get an item drop for weeks. No colored sections on the ground to hand hold you where not to stand.
FFXIV is a kid's game in comparison.

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Also, blaming players for being "understandably" upset...no. There is a difference between people saying "I can't afford 500mil+ this is absurd" and "My fc of 30+ people has been saving for months and 8mil is impossible"

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That really does depend on the servers and the FCs and also remember that many people especially in new worlds had issues with gil making in the beginning, it was a big issue that was mostly resolved by having dungeons drop gil and that solution was implemented about a bit more than a month after launch IIRC. In theory, yes 8 mil should be relatively easy for a 30 man FC to pool up, especially if they were prepared for the costs and were really saving up for it, still you can't blame the majority for being upset about being misled about the costs. You also have to remember not all servers have the same prices, I honestly was also expecting around 8 mil, I was not expecting 25 mil let alone 315 mil for the best plot, and again that's just for the plot.

All this could have been so easily avoided if they just had given an updated rough estimate of the costs, they did offer an estimate of 4-5 players at level 50 with just one class after finishing the main quest but they never updated us on it. Had they said right at the start service for example "We've come up with an estimate of the upcoming housing prices, we estimate around 8-10 million gil for a small house and 100-150 million gil for the best one" then yes, you have every right to put the blame on the players for complaining they don't have enough gil when everyone was given a fair warning well in advance and 4 months to save up for it. That didn't happen, all we had was the previous official statement of 4-5 players that was repeated constantly all around the year up to the game's launch.

Overall it's just a big math screw up and making too many wrong assumptions about the economy, just because a server has so much money doesn't mean everyone has access to it, it's usually only a couple of players that have such high figures and sadly the majority of them seem to be RMT, and even people that got high figures legitimately got constantly banned so there's also that.

yeah hardcore gamers are all about stats and numbers and min maxing. Now if having a house gave you stat boosts,...

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I completely agree on the pricing matter with you, That one group of Legacy servers that is double the price for whatever reason...doesn't make sense. I understand them making regular servers cost less than legacy, this makes sense, but all the legacy should have the same prices as each other.

And yea, it could have been avoided if they gave us any knowledge about the housing, but for whatever reason SE likes to be incredibly secretive about their patches, releasing info only just before the patch, and on occasion even waiting until after patches to post notes. I don't understand why they do that lol

I would like to know how many of those self-proclaimed hardcore do any kind of content (Coil, for example) without looking any guides. Because, and I'm sorry to say this and burst your bubble, you aren't as super hardcore or old school as you feel here in the forums if you use any kind of guide to beat content, period.

Now you can get back to tell other people to stop complaining about the overall housing prices and learn about past MMOs and about challenging things (as if grinding money was challenging and not a chore), I won't stop you.

*rubs hands together and lifts them up to pray*

Please oh mighty and exalted legacy veterans! I beg of thee, show me how you make 600mil gil rain from the sky!!!

Sincerely,
A very sad kitty cat!

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Why is it even between the legacy servers; the prices are different ? SE knows the actual total gil in the servers; that's including those gil seller

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I'm not sure which server you're on; but mine ? they barely do it at all. I do leves every days; and I see barely 4 other person were doing it. And selling Allagan items ? I don't remember you can sell those equips to NPC, even if you can, the reselling price is not on pair with the time you do it. Doing dungeons, beside CM which you can't skip; most dungeons can do speed run. Unfortunately doing speed run the same with skipping money earn. AK could generate more than 3k of gil if you do all the adds; but that will be nearly 1h. And most of you don't like it, people only did AK for tomes which cap at 300. So there aren't much money pour from dungeons running and selling Allagan pieces.

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My deepest apology. I was annoying because a good game had been turn into Wow. However it is no excuse for me to be rude.

The number of total amount of gil in 1 server , SE got that number. Consider the house prices in each server, I would expect the total gil in that server would be around the price for the highest land or could even higher. For example: Server A has total 400m gil, the reasonable price for highest piece of land is 20m; peoples can easily get that number by regulating the gil in the market without earning new gil; result in 1st month at least 200m gil will be gone, and 100m more will gone the next month; however because lands could be obtainable by regulating the gil; no one actually know that the total gil are depleting therefor no gil pour in and the market is collapsed. However; if the price is high for example 200m gil; then they could not obtain by regulating the market gil anymore, and they have to pour in the gil.

I personally think that they're pushing hard for larger FCs and making it a lot harder on smaller ones. Maybe because they intend for the smaller groups to be linkshells and the FCs to be a much larger group effort. That's the only conclusion I can make. =/

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I'd probably argue that the hardcore crowd that rushes to endgame...The people in the "casual" crowd are usually those stopping to smell the roses

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Hardcore players are much less willing to jump ship than you'd imagine; they did invest hundreds+ hours into a game. Casuals by definition don't attach themselves to a game, and readily drop it for any number of other activities. It's an issue of making content with high replay value. Developers leave content with high replay value, such as PvP, on the backburner, giving it far less attention than it deserves and resorting to lazy design such as copying WoW arenas. Instead they focus on content that has little to no replay value, or at the very least rely on primitive mechanics such as raid-lockouts to artificially inflate content lifespan. I don't understand why some people expect everyone else to play MMORPGs as if they were SRPGs, when MMORPGs are capable of offering so much more.

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I would disagree and think that you're mixing up casual with lazy gamer. Many casual players are not lazy at all, and do actually work for their stuff. Instead, they spend a lot less time on the game, stop and smell the roses, and spend their time doing other things. I have seen lots of end game raiders hop from game to game as content is released. Coming back for major patches but abandoning the game otherwise once content is finished. On the other hand, if it takes a person 3 months to even clear all the content, they're there for that three months.

That really can't be proven either way though, and is certainly not the point of this thread. Housing -is- casual content. Always has been in games, and probably always will be. I disagree with obtaining the house itself being something that is essentially a time grind (actually, I tend to disagree with anything that only offers "challenge" in the form of time, as that alone doesn't really determine difficulty).

I was never going to buy into FC housing, so the prices don't bother me yet. I'm fine with them if they expect it to clear RMT inventories, allowing them to price individual housing more reasonably. Actual gold growth is low and will continue to decline, and I haven't visibly seen bots farming. I wouldn't be surprised if this leads to a round of RMT-related bans, as players turn to RMT services for the necessary funds.

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Patch 2.1 : Return of the Bots. If you think there are a lot around now, it'll be crazy in a short while.

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I have seen lots of end game raiders hop from game to game as content is released. Coming back for major patches but abandoning the game otherwise once content is finished. On the other hand, if it takes a person 3 months to even clear all the content, they're there for that three months.

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Casuals do the same. Many don't even focus on one game, and you don't notice them leave because they're never really on in the first place. They're just as likely to fail to subscribe or quickly cancel, though not for the same reasons.

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Just going to copy what I said in another thread:

The prices for Balmung/Excal/Hyperion/Rag/Sarg are perfectly fine for small and medium, though maybe reduce the large by a little bit.
The prices for the other bundle legacy servers is definitely too high, not sure why it's different.
Prices for non-legacy servers are beyond fine, and easy to get.

These are houses for an FC. An entire guild of people. Working together. Not a personal house.

Just change all legacy to be the same price, and reduce the cost of a Large 5th class to about 150mil, that would make Large 1st class around 225mil. Also taking into consideration the price drop every 6 hours.

Way too many people complaining these prices are too high (even the 8mil tag on the 5th plot on non-legacy servers...tell me again how you haven't been able to save up only 8 mil with a 30man FC in the past few months? ) The problem isn't with SE or the prices, it's between the chair and the keyboard. People ignore the posts that are logical so that they may continue their "NO U" arguments.

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^this

also..

Housing is a Luxury and it will stay like that, its not something that you strictly need for endgame content or something else. If your FC haves the money then sure! get the largest house, but its only that... Luxury.

Noone is forcing you to buy the largest house for your 20man FC... you ppl need some common sense, larger plots are meant to be there only for large and huuuge FCs, thats why the price is so high.

I have a quick question... Why everyone is just talking about the price of the "First-class Plot Large Size"?. Anyone here knows the actual size of the plots already? or its just a general complain because 2 or 3 people want to get the luxury of the expensier house for themselves. I suppose this is called "FC Housing" because you need an active FC to get the best stuff, if a FC haves 20 Active people I don't think they will need the super Large First Class house. If someone wants it sure go ahead, but understand its a luxury for a whole FC, not a luxury for 3 ppl. You have 3 different sizes and 5 different classes to choose, but everyone wants to get the best one with no effort, and not just that, they wan't to get it by themselves...

unregulated RMT controls the bulk the currency and the players are being punished for SQ-Enix's ineptness. The winners in all this are the Rmt who now have a lot of potential buyers. The threat that Housing may get repossessed, but it won't stop people from trying so FC leaders and officers be very careful about who you accept gill from.

Attempting to buy housing now is foolish. I'm not trying to throw shade, but I don't see what the point even is. All the cool extras like the crafting ares, message board, juke box, etc. won't be coming out until later. You'll get a fancy house that you can decorate and hang out in, but in doing so, all your members will be poor.

What's the point?

I'd wait awhile, enjoy the new content, and let the other companies battle it out in the big money sink that will be housing, though I seriously doubt many, if any, companies will be able to afford housing tomorrow. And, SE will make some changes.

So, wait, you guyses; hold on to your coins.

I was going to happily donate up to 300K to my current FC for housing, but honestly, I'm not going to bother. I don't want to donate over half of my wealth, and it only be 1% of what my FC needs for a building to hang out in. I doubt I'd even be able to decorate in that space anyway, so why would I break my back?

Final Fantasy IV ARR is good game but is Aimed for "One type of public onry".

One the reasons for lots of MMRPG are failing is because they lack of diversification. You need aim in your game for Casuals, PRO and hardcore players.

If you aim only for casuals. Your game will be boring and extreme easy.
If you aim for PRO. Your game will be optimal but the hardcore people will still need more challenge.
If you aim for HARDCORE onry. Then your casuals and pro quit the game for the time consuming.

Aiming for a Casual players onry is the worse idea a video game company can do. The casuals are good for buy "Started sales" but they Terrible for keep going with something.

Casual = People Play less 1 hour per day 20% of my attention.
Pro = People with gaming sessions of 3 - 4 hours 50% of my attention
Hardcore = People with Gaming sesssions over 6 hours per day. 30% of my attention

Giving your playerbase a good vertical progression in gear is Fun and exciting, because they will start play Small Raids, Then Medium raids for end with Hardcore raids.

ARR is follow the steps of TERA. You can have a wonderfull game but without content for Raiders your game will be Boring.

This is a vertical gear progression.

For Casual players.

3 Raids ILV 75 - "4 players" - Time estimated for Complete your gear 30 hours
3 Raids for 8 players ILV 85 - time estimated for complete you gear 60 hours

For Pro playerbase

3 raids for 12 players ilv 90 - Time estimated for complete your gear 100 hours
3 raids for 18 - 24 players ilv95. - Time estimated for complete your gear 200 hours.

For hardcores.

Real Relic weapon. You can do it alone or Raiding - Time estimated 500 Hours. ILV 115
Real Mythic Weapon. You can progress alone or Raiding - Time estimated 1000 hours. ILV 130

lockout the content = Idleness and cheap way for stop your hardcore playerbase..

In conclusion. Having content for all your playerbase is the more Solid bet on the future.

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Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

This isn't "anti-casual," it's a long-term goal.

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This 100x.

Set a goal, make a plan and then execute.
Lets say you have 20 members in your FC (that's pretty small FC) Everyone gives 20k 3 times a week, so 60k a week (and this is btw extremely easy to get, with a little effort you can get a lot more). Every week you are saving 1.2 mil - in 2 months you have 9.6 mil, in 4 months you have 19,200,000... And this is with hardly no effort what so ever. You just need someone to keep track of the gil.
By that time the price will have gone down and you will afford to buy a small plot for your SMALL FC even if you are on the highest price Legacy server.
Now if you want the biggest and fanciest plot, then I assume you have a big FC and you should be able to collect money from the members much more efficiently.
Tell everyone to pitch in, saving gil in FFXIV is very easy.