Speed-running cut-scene skippers...

when i ran CM the first time the only way i could find a group was thru the DF because all of the groups being formed were for speed runs. ironically enough the party it put me decided right from the start that it would be a speed run. did that change the way i played? nope i still watched my cutscenes, to hell with them if they can be bothered to wait 30 secs for someone to watch a cutscene, if they rush the boss and get themselves killed thats on them, if they get me locked out of the fight oh well ill go have a smoke break while they beat the boss, im getting my tomes either way.

basically what im saying is, if you get stuck in a group with a bunch of whiny asshats then let them go ahead and rush it, you will get credit either way.

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Originally Posted by Vmage

did you tell them that they were depriving you of the 'true experience' before they started talking down to you?

did you tell them you wanted the other 7 people to wait for you to watch your cutscenes because your time is more valuable than the 7 of theirs combined?

if i was in that group, that would probably set me off too, and i would probably talk down to you.

then again, when i DF cm, i do it as a tank, and i bring a healer from my fc with me - so we couldn't really care less who does/doesn't skip cutscenes, we're clearing ahead regardless

but if someone is in cm for their first time, and they start getting lippy about me going too fast, i will probably respond, and it probably won't be polite.

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Yes, because this is World of Warcraft and the story is certainly not the most important aspect of this game. Futhermore, this game also teaches us lorewise to behave like our enemies, the Garleans.

Not to mention, it is certainly faster and more hardcore to use duty finder than to form your own group.

So, yeah you are very right.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

the devs havent even replied to the 100 of threads on this very subject. Good grief.

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Yes, because it is so hard to use the dev tracker and therefore impossible to find

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

The development team is aware that the benefits for defeating regular monsters in high level dungeons are not proportionate to the effort. They are also aware that dungeon runs can also be filled with players with conflicting goals (like enjoying the story versus doing a farming/speed run) that leads to it being difficult to enjoy the content. They feel that improvements in these areas are needed and are currently working on countermeasures for this.

We will be sure to fill you in on the details in the near future.

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which of course does not exist at http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...25#post1355125.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Ruined the entire ending of the main story for me. I was completely and absolutely deprived of the true experience. They totally ruined the entire mood and atmosphere. Yet these same people had the nerve to talk down upon me (with profanity and other name-calling of course) when truthfully, they're the ones that are entirely in the wrong.

This CANNOT be allowed to continue. If it were up to me, I'd simply perma-ban people like this for polluting the community. However, I suggest that Duty Finder dungeon runs should simply force cut-scenes that can't be skipped. If they want to speed run the instance the burden should be placed upon them to find other like-minded individuals rather than ruining the experience for other people.

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I agree with your sentiments but please do not suffer fools and use the leave button next time!

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

Yes, because this is World of Warcraft and the story is certainly not the most important aspect of this game. Futhermore, this game also teaches us lorewise to behave like our enemies, the Garleans.

Not to mention, it is certainly faster and more hardcore to use duty finder than to form your own group.

So, yeah you are very right.

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who said anything about faster or hardcore?

i just said that when i use the duty finder to do CM, i'm not waiting for anyone regardless of how many times they ask

but if i'm going to the trouble to make a premade group, i'm going to do praetorium instead of CM anyways, it's faster if you bring DPS that aren't terrible

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Originally Posted by Vmage

did you tell them that they were depriving you of the 'true experience' before they started talking down to you?

did you tell them you wanted the other 7 people to wait for you to watch your cutscenes because your time is more valuable than the 7 of theirs combined?

if i was in that group, that would probably set me off too, and i would probably talk down to you.

then again, when i DF cm, i do it as a tank, and i bring a healer from my fc with me - so we couldn't really care less who does/doesn't skip cutscenes, we're clearing ahead regardless

but if someone is in cm for their first time, and they start getting lippy about me going too fast, i will probably respond, and it probably won't be polite.

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All your reply shows is that you're a douchebag first class. Hope you're proud.

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Originally Posted by Cubester

All your reply shows is that you're a douchebag first class. Hope you're proud.

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i'm not really sure why you would think that, but you're entitled to your opinion.

the way i see it, anytime i queue up for a CM, i've just shortened the wait time of all those dps going through it for their first time (although that's pretty rare, more often than not everyone at least has a primal weapon - which is unattainable before you've finished the story?)

i don't really mind that they aren't thankful that i'm doing philanthropic CM clears for them, but if they're unhappy about me doing all the heavy lifting for them, i'll be unhappy right back at them :s

I have a possible solution to the problem of having to deal with the speed-run people for those that want to enjoy the cutscenes, at least on their first go through a dungeon:

I'm on the Midgardsormr server and am not even high enough level on the job I want to finish the story with (WAR, currently at 36), so the need to do those high level dungeons isn't even on the near horizon yet. But after reading thread after thread about people with this problem, I created a linkshell called "Dungeon Help LS". It's primary purpose is to give people who want to go through the cutscenes on their first run though the opportunity to do so without people complaining at them. The LS will be full of people who are willing to go through a dungeon like the high level ones and give the person a chance to actually enjoy the storyline of the dungeon!

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Another benefit of this linkshell is for people who want to help others with lower level dungeons, giving friendly guidance on safe ways to do the boss fights (I know I did Brayfox's Longstop and had a time trying to figure out how to properly tank the dragon and the other party members had a fit because I couldn't figure it out and I got annoyed with them yelling at me to do it right, when I really was trying.).

I would propose that someone create a LS like this on EACH server, and have a group of people willing to help others out (those that want the help can join and quit the LS at their leisure....I don't know if there's a limit to how many people can be in a linkshell!)

You only have Square to blame, not those people.

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Originally Posted by PoiPoiKuroi

So permabanning the CM speedrunners, aka 99% of all lvl 50? Yeey! :D

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If this was my game, this is what I would do. 99% of the people, including you, are trash that are not needed in this game. People like you can go play call of duty, WoW or something else where story is not important. This is Final Fantasy and the game doesn't need trash like you.

Sucks your story was ruined but to be honest if it wasn't for speed runners you'd wait hours for a full instance. So either blame SE for making a story dungeon the best way to farm tokens or for not allowing your first completion of that instance to be a separate que for people in the same boat as you. Speed runners are the 99%, you're the 1%.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

vague reply by dev with vague possible fix on a date that hasn't been decided yet

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That reply doesn't help anything. Its vague and doesn't solve the main problem. Just promises something of a unknown fix in the future. When will that will be? next year? when next year? Why not sooner? Why not at 2.1? Why is there a wait to fix a major issue?

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Originally Posted by Govalon

If this was my game, this is what I would do. 99% of the people, including you, are trash that are not needed in this game. People like you can go play call of duty, WoW or something else where story is not important. This is Final Fantasy and the game doesn't need trash like you.

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Then it's a good thing you won't be in charge of anything important ever because you would make terrible decisions.

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Originally Posted by JPPILIP

Because all cutscenes donnot show in the inn room as a tank if I find there are new people in the group that want to watch cutscenes I love that I can help them out by not forcing them to skip them. If you wanna speed run dont use DF make your own group its easier to put together than a story group

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Yes they do, you can use the tiny little arrows at the bottom of the page to select the next scene

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Originally Posted by Vmage

i'm not really sure why you would think that, but you're entitled to your opinion.

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If you were as philanthropic as you make yourself out to be, you'd let people who run it for the first time enjoy the cutscenes while waiting for them and explaining the fights instead of powering through with a " hey, you should be thankful I'm doing this for you" attitude.

But no, when someone tells you you're going too fast you talk down to them, in an impolite manner no less, telling them basically to go **** themselves as you just want to get this over with.

That's why I have that opinion.

A simple checkbox on the DF (Group with mandatory CS) could be an option...remove the 'skip' ability. Not sure you'd get a full 8 people who would check that box but it could be an option.

Just out of curiosity, how many of the speedrunners who go on without a party member are the same d-bags who gear check on other fights because they "don't wanna carry someone through the dungeon lolzz"? derp

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Originally Posted by Yuufarlc

Yes they do, you can use the tiny little arrows at the bottom of the page to select the next scene

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There seems to be a problem. For CM, I used to de able to select cs to watch. Now I cannot. The bar is greyed out. Even for PA, now I can only watch the cs after tge defeat of Ultima weapon. No Nero scene, no elevator scene, no pre Ultima scene.

Go check it out.

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

There seems to be a problem. For CM, I used to de able to select cs to watch. Now I cannot. The bar is greyed out. Even for PA, now I can only watch the cs after tge defeat of Ultima weapon. No Nero scene, no elevator scene, no pre Ultima scene.

Go check it out.

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Sounds like SE is doing a SR on your Endless Journey Book o.O

I don't care if someone watches CS, just don't ask us to wipe on a boss or wait for you to catch up. We have places to be and things to do as well. Watch CS for all I care, the speedrunners are usually able to do the instance fast, and you can watch cs while we kill things.

Just my 2 cents concerning watching cut scenes in instances:

In my first run of The Praetorium through duty finder there were 2 people who continually watched all the cut scenes and the rest of us moved forward without them (I personally prefer to catch up on the cut scenes inside the inn). Sadly, we beat the instance with barely any time left. If we all had waited for the 2 people to finish watching all of their cut scenes, or watched them ourselves, we definitely would not have finished the instance in time.

You can say what you want about "those mean speed runners" but especially when you have people just new to 50, still wearing a lot of lower level gear, you have to take into account lower DPS and the possibility of mistakes ending in wipes. *NEWS FLASH* YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO WATCH THE LAST CUT SCENE IF YOU DON'T ACTUALLY BEAT IT.

To combat this ongoing problem all SE needs to do is make every instance drop tomes once you hit 50. You start over leveling a new job? No problem you'll get 25 tomes for doing Sastasha! It can scale up as the dungeons go up so the 47-50 dungeons all give 100 or whatever the max will be down the road. I'm just sick of doing the same 1-2 dungeons OVER and OVER for hundreds of times. Screw that noise.

Going to wager quite a bit of Gil that most people that feel really entitled for the other 7 members to wait for them to watch a cutscene would probably be the same people getting really impatient when they are doing CM for the 40th time.

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Originally Posted by pochte

I don't care if someone watches CS, just don't ask us to wipe on a boss or wait for you to catch up. We have places to be and things to do as well. Watch CS for all I care, the speedrunners are usually able to do the instance fast, and you can watch cs while we kill things.

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Which by not at least waiting for the person tells people they can just AFK the whole thing and get Tomes anyways.

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Originally Posted by HealBus

Going to wager quite a bit of Gil that most people that feel really entitled for the other 7 members to wait for them to watch a cutscene would probably be the same people getting really impatient when they are doing CM for the 40th time.

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Nope. They'll be here on the forums being the hypocrites that they are :P

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Originally Posted by calamityz

Nope. They'll be here on the forums being the hypocrites that they are :P

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Not too sure about who you are talking about. I still haven't got around to loading the cutscenes in my inn room.

This topic sounds like a chorus, you know that part of a song that always comes back.

So I'll just throw my bridge, an old post I made on this very issue twenty days ago.

My only advice would be to find a like-minded group, and there are two main ways you may find that i suppose.

- Thinking ahead of endgame as a whole: find a nice Free Company (or LinkShell) in which, like mine, people are sincerely glad to run CM/Praetorium for their first timers with no pressure whatsoever ─strategy explained as icing on the cake. That's a long term approach you'll probably appreciate: you'll enjoy nice first times as well for Wanderer's Palace, Amdapor, all three Primordial fights, and so on. It really makes endgame that much more enjoyable to discover/run it in friendly company. Then you can give back, and participate in nice first runs for those of your companions who'll hit 50 after you. It's like a small ripple effect, win-win.

- The shortest solution, should you not have a Free Company, is to sit a bit in front of the CM/Praetorium entrance, preferably on prime time / busy hours, and ask those that come (obviously for story purposes, like you) if they wish to do these dungeons while enjoying story telling. Maybe find (among your friend list, or in Mordona shouting) just one experienced player, a nice guy, who can fill you guys on fight tactics ─though not complicated at all, knowing a bit about these encounters will ensure they go smoothly.

I'm pretty sure both these solutions can help alleviate the speed run issue on your first time; and through my former advice (Free Company or LinkShell), you'll get much more than a run or two, eventually. You'll get companions, even friends, for the long haul, and that is priceless. Some would even go as far as to say it's the real purpose of MMORPG; and I, for one, after more than a decade playing in permanent online worlds, can only concur with this vision.

Best of luck to you, guys. :o

If you wanna watch the cutscenes, then form a premade to watch them. Ditto with skipping them. But if you queue for random dungeon finder, be prepared to meet people with different opinions and playstyles than yourself. You dont need to make a thread everytime you dont get your way.

Its all good and well making these threads trying to rage over nothing
your watching the cs one time , these ppl probably did this for the 100th time and got stuck with the CS watcher for the 20th time
for the last few weeks i dint encounter anyone that wanted to watch the cs

sad part is these ppl are usually the ppl that going to rage and harras ppl that want to watch cs later wen THEY are farming the instances

instead of suggesting they make it obligated to watch the thing , make it a option in the dutyfinder screen that you dont want to skip cs and than it will only join you with other ppl that want to see the cs , have fun lfg for 20 hour because no one is going to do that

people speed running praetorium without making an arranged party are as dumb as bricks anyway, shoulda just ignored them

I watched all the cutscene on my first run and gave 0 fucks about the complaints

No OP is right. You folks complained in beta against Speed Mode Dungeon in BETA. Now you have it. So let people watch there CS. Not happy ? Make a pre made group. Seriously learn to respect people around of you, there are people behind characters here, this is a not game where people will roll many alts. Think of your reputation.

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Originally Posted by HealBus

Going to wager quite a bit of Gil that most people that feel really entitled for the other 7 members to wait for them to watch a cutscene would probably be the same people getting really impatient when they are doing CM for the 40th time.

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You'll be having to pay up! I requested to watch the cutscenes and I'll be /sit any time someone else wants to on each and every run until they're done watching purely on principal.

Of course, I also don't plan on farming these dungeons over and over and over again... There are other places to get tomestones after all. Maybe not as quick but you'll get there eventually.

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Originally Posted by Caraway

Of course, I also don't plan on farming these dungeons over and over and over again... There are other places to get tomestones after all.

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Exactly. I can't stand seeing people mewl and whine about being forced to run CM over and over for their welfare gear. Run some TWP, AV, AK, DD with friends. Don't turn it into a job to get the best shinies.
Or wait, do do that and leave the game after you've 'beat' it and leave the fun for those willing to have it, that could work too :P

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

I agree they should never, EVER talk down or degrade you. However, they have a right to not wait for you and to kill all the enemies / bosses (while you're watching the scene) just as much as you do to watch the scenes.

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I was watching some youtube vids of various dungeons last night. There was this one, where the two dps were watching the cut scenes, but not the tank or healer. The tank pulled ... early ... in a long cut scene. LOL I give him and the healer credit, they survived for a bit before they got overwhelmed by the increasing adds. Happily, it was a formed group of friends and the two dps just laughed with them before they went on and finished the duty on the next try. A lot of folk would have been po'ed as all get out, but whatever. I don't let these things get to me when I'm personally involved. Ymmv.

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Originally Posted by Caraway

You'll be having to pay up! I requested to watch the cutscenes and I'll be /sit any time someone else wants to on each and every run until they're done watching purely on principal.

Of course, I also don't plan on farming these dungeons over and over and over again... There are other places to get tomestones after all. Maybe not as quick but you'll get there eventually.

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Exactly! I wish people would stop projecting so much in this thread. I wanted to enjoy the cut-scenes on my first run and I would respect anyone else who I partied with in the future that wanted to do the same. It's like these kids never learned to treat other people the way that they would want to be treated.

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Originally Posted by FizT

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Usually it's only 1 person watching. Heck, even 1 tank 1 dps watching a scene is usually no problem. But yeah.

I'm someone who skips cutscenes but I am always willing to wait if someone wants to watch them. However, since CM is very popular for speed runs for Philo tomes, it might be better to try and get a group of people who are doing it for the story, rather than randomly grouping up with people who are on their 45th speedrun. I know it takes way more time but if you want to enjoy the dungeon, right now its your only chance until they make AK or WP more viable for tome farming.

The more people whine about others watching cutscenes, the more I enjoy watching them.

After doing CM just for the story. I think I'll wait until they implement some better source of tomestones for the ADHD fishes to burn themselves out on. Unless this is SE's way of getting you used to being a cog on a well oiled machine of speed-runs.. that isn't working out nicely.

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Originally Posted by Amaku

I spoil the ending for people who make me wait.

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There will be better gear next year making your 40+ hours of farming moot? I already knew that.

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Originally Posted by Amaku

Why are you even playing an MMO in the first place? Go read a book or watch a movie.

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Because I like adventurers... don't you? Should get out of that fish tank that is AK... heard Sastasha will be the best place to farm Mythos come Christmas.

I spoil the ending for people who make me wait.