[Feedback] Wuk Lamat's English Voice

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Originally Posted by Karious

I'm also upset that we finally had our chance for South American voice acting representation and they blew it! I know Kate (the localization lead) said they didn't want an Apu situation like with the Simpsons... So why didn't they give an opportunity to someone from down south???

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soo stupid that happeend to simpsons and stupid thought philosophy here, just let it make sense, ive her the accent wtf

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

She said she's the "whitest Latino out there" as a joke, that does not mean she's actually calling herself white lmao. SHE IS PROUDLY LATINO, SHE IS HALF PUERTO RICAN STOP WHITE WASHING HER OH MY GOD.

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https://i.imgur.com/1ERlxeq.png
do people change how they identify over time? yeah, absolutely. But it's not like people are making stuff up about her. There's still the fact that they didn't "hire a Puerto Rican", she is American with Puerto Rican ancestry; doesn't speak the language, natively has a southern american accent, and has to force the one she wears on Wuk Lamat. If she took more time to study how her relatives talk and practice more, it wouldn't be an issue. But I'm Latina too, and her accent sounds like a parody sometimes, and I don't think I should have to apologize for feeling that way.

So if people end up feeling that her identifying with with her hispanic heritage is a recent move of convenience of some kind, I think it's shitty and kind of paranoid to think that, but I won't pretend the pieces aren't in place that can lead someone to make that assumption.

Personally I think she understood something deeper about marginalized identities since then and recognized how powerful solidarity is, and how little gestures even like putting "she/ella" in her bio flags her as a safe person to be around.

Her descent and origins doesn't justify bad line delivery.
Sorry to all the people defending her but when her character has to shout, there is an 80% chance she'll miss the mark.

This is either on her part or on the direction and it needs to be corrected because that last trial line when she calls for Sphene made the entire encounter hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Petroglyph

https://i.imgur.com/1ERlxeq.png
do people change how they identify over time? yeah, absolutely. But it's not like people are making stuff up about her. There's still the fact that they didn't "hire a Puerto Rican", she is American with Puerto Rican ancestry; doesn't speak the language, natively has a southern american accent, and has to force the one she wears on Wuk Lamat. If she took more time to study how her relatives talk and practice more, it wouldn't be an issue. But I'm Latina too, and her accent sounds like a parody sometimes, and I don't think I should have to apologize for feeling that way.

So if people end up feeling that her identifying with with her hispanic heritage is a recent move of convenience of some kind, I think it's shitty and kind of paranoid to think that, but I won't pretend the pieces aren't in place that can lead someone to make that assumption.

Personally I think she understood something deeper about marginalized identities since then and recognized how powerful solidarity is, and how little gestures even like putting "she/ella" in her bio flags her as a safe person to be around.

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That's fair if you feel like her accent is forced and she didn't "study her ancestors aptly enough" but there are also those who identify as Latino and are puerto rican that think the representation is good.

So we're in a bit of a limbo, because neither side is wrong for that. You're entitled to feel the way you do. My issue is with people calling her white and using that as more ammo when she herself identifies with her heritage and calls herself Latina.

I actually have more issues with the transphobic people but they're not even worth talking about.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

I actually have more issues with the transphobic people but they're not even worth talking about.

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Yeaaaah we both know her performance and the way they character is written is just a trojan horse for the real problem people have with her. I think the character and her performance is dog too, but that's kind of as far as it should go. >_>

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Originally Posted by Dovaah

Her descent and origins doesn't justify bad line delivery.
Sorry to all the people defending her but when her character has to shout, there is an 80% chance she'll miss the mark.

This is either on her part or on the direction and it needs to be corrected because that last trial line when she calls for Sphene made the entire encounter hilarious.

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Personally I feel shouting Sphene (in English) will always sound bad no matter what, since Sphene is a really silly name. Beryl would have worked better (it's the syllables and "ee" sound).

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

That's fair if you feel like her accent is forced and she didn't "study her ancestors aptly enough" but there are also those who identify as Latino and are puerto rican that think the representation is good.

So we're in a bit of a limbo, because neither side is wrong for that. You're entitled to feel the way you do. My issue is with people calling her white and using that as more ammo when she herself identifies with her heritage and calls herself Latina.

I actually have more issues with the transphobic people but they're not even worth talking about.

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Feel forced? She literally doesnt have an accent irl. It is totally forced by definition.

People that think representation matters are stupid for the same reason DEI is stupid. Putting people into something because they are X or Z or whatever leads to bad charakterdesign
most of the time since they reduce the charakters to be exactly this: X or Z.

And yes one of the sides is wrong and its yours. The VA literally said they are white... IF you use your race/gender/sexuality as you see fit and change it as you please makes you look like a clown
that has no real arguements.

Again this stupid labels: The VA is bad because the VA has no skills. Thats literally it.
But yes you can also explain it by saying the obv:

Maybe it is not the best idea to hire a biological male human being to voice a female charakter if the charakter is the MC of the story and takes like 80% of the voicelines.
Maybe its a stupid idea to make the VA also fake an accent since the VA allready has to work with an unnatural voicerange. Considering how much the VA had to fake
its no wonder why the VA can not deliver an emotional range as an unskilled VA. The whole thing was designed to fail.

I don't get the "She is a descent of a Latino, therefore, she is a Latino and has their accent". You know how racist it is to assume one identity and accent through their ancestors? Like, that's "One Drop Rule" is about, and that's considered as racist, if I understand it correctly. I am of a Chinese descent, and yet, I can't do a Chinese accent and, hell, I can't even speak Chinese.

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Originally Posted by Dovaah

This is either on her part or on the direction and it needs to be corrected because that last trial line when she calls for Sphene made the entire encounter hilarious.

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That scene was a mess in all 4 languages. Japanese and French had def better delivery but that still didn't save it from the writing.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

Because y'all are calling her white. When she's Latino. That's why it matters.

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Just wanna drop by and say you can be a white Latino, just like you can be a black Latino. Sometimes without even having mixed race ancestry (like in the cases of Afro-Latin Americans and European Argentines).

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

Kindof wild and disheartening reading people call the VA a "white person forcing an accent" when the actress is of Puerto Rican descent. Please do a little research.... y'all are insufferable at best.

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It's literallly a white person forcing an accent. You cannot say you're a different ethnicity when you're clearly not. I'm a born and bred south american - I can't just say that "Actually, I'm from Portugal" because I have some distant portuguese ancestry. I've also has been all over the continent and experienced multiple forms of different speech patterns and accents, and had to study them for part of my job as I work in an area related to linguistics and speech.

Sena Bryer has a pure american accent with zero latino inflections whatsoever, and has self-admitted as not being latino. I don't know what the hell is going on with the "half-puerto rican side", but no accent was inherited, and it is enormously racist of you to assume that just because you're half-something, you immediately get the accent.

Furthermore, this isn't an issue with just Wuk either. Every accent I've heard on Dawntrail is extremely put on by american actors that tend to claim a non-existant (or too distant to matter) accent to get the job, that range from just kind of bad at best (Koana) to hilariously racist at worse (Captain King Gulool Ja Ja).

But PLEASE, tell the native speaker that he's wrong.

The Boi is Paler then me, and im the definition of White being born in Central Europe with long lasting Heritage going back to the 19 hundreds.
Reality is hard to swallow i know.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

Kindof wild and disheartening reading people call the VA a "white person forcing an accent" when the actress is of Puerto Rican descent. Please do a little research.... y'all are insufferable at best.

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Pretty ironic to tell people to do research when you are the ... I'll put it blunty - uneducated here. How about you picking up a book or take a class to study about the very subject that you're pretending to care so much about?

- Accent is not a heritage or a race or even a DNA thing.

- Accent is an environment thing.

- You take a new born Chinese and and raise them in France, they will grow up with a French accent or vice versa. If that Chinese later on in their life try to use a Chinese accent, than yes they will be forcing an accent, even though they're Chinese heritage.

- Human develop our accent subconsciously as part of our survival instinct, to not stand out, to adapt and fit in better with the community we live in.

- Accent is not an identity of where you are from.

- Accent is an identity of where you grow up.

- Being a descent of wherever has zero impact on your accent, unless you also grew up at the same place you were born than it just means the two things overlape.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

Kindof wild and disheartening reading people call the VA a "white person forcing an accent" when the actress is of Puerto Rican descent. Please do a little research.... y'all are insufferable at best.

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Hi, south american here. We do not sound like that when speaking english, she sounds like a european spanish speaking english. Said it before and I'll say it again: Of course not all south americans will sound the same, but there are some common inflections that we share due to the nature of south american spanish that she just doesn't have.

I would even argue that Koana's VA forced it a little, because he sounds as if he's doing an Antonio Banderas impression sometimes.

Also, I always find it funny when americans make a distinction between "white people" and "latin americans" as if white latin americans don't exist. It's hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

- Accent is an environment thing.

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This, so much this.

Just because someone has puerto rican parents doesn't mean they will have the accent or perform it accurately if they didn't grow constantly hearing it or are used to practicing it constantly.

I know for a fact because when I started speaking english, I was told by an american friend that my accent reminded him of Borat, but now that's completely gone.

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Originally Posted by Midare

I would even argue that Koana's VA forced it a little, because he sounds as if he's doing an Antonio Banderas impression sometimes.

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Oh god, now that you mention it - yeah, that's absolutely what was bugging me with Koana. Great catch.

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Originally Posted by SwadTheFrog

Oh god, now that you mention it - yeah, that's absolutely what was bugging me with Koana. Great catch.

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Koana missed the opportunity of playing this one when Poochie took over:

https://youtu.be/w5fLGWrHouk?si=CnqwDwcCVvx_8fxZ

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Pretty ironic to tell people to do research when you are the ... I'll put it blunty - uneducated here. How about you picking up a book or take a class to study about the very subject that you're pretending to care so much about?

- Accent is not a heritage or a race or even a DNA thing.

- Accent is an environment thing.

- You take a new born Chinese and and raise them in France, they will grow up with a French accent or vice versa. If that Chinese later on in their life try to use a Chinese accent, than yes they will be forcing an accent, even though they're Chinese heritage.

- Human develop our accent subconsciously as part of our survival instinct, to not stand out, to adapt and fit in better with the community we live in.

- Accent is not an identity of where you are from.

- Accent is an identity of where you grow up.

- Being a descent of wherever has zero impact on your accent, unless you also grew up at the same place you were born than it just means the two things overlape.

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Yes, this is very true.

What I'm saying is do we require the person to not only be Latam, but have the accent naturally? If so, that's fair.

I personally feel like you should be able to be representative so long as you have that background, and I can't say for sure whether she's "putting it on" since I don't know her personally.

I understand if people disagree, and I'm not going to harp on it more, I concede and I take everything that people are saying in, am learning and will do further research of my own as well.


Also not you specifically but I wake up and see at least two new posts being transphobic, calling her "boi" and a biological male and it's really hard to feel like some people aren't just being disingenuous and being hateful to be hateful.

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Originally Posted by Midare

Koana missed the opportunity of playing this one when Poochie took over:

https://youtu.be/w5fLGWrHouk?si=CnqwDwcCVvx_8fxZ

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It'd have made the story better.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

Also not you specifically but I wake up and see at least two new posts being transphobic, calling her "boi" and a biological male and it's really hard to feel like some people aren't just being disingenuous and being hateful to be hateful.

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It's literally just people shitflinging to derail the thread or to purposefully discredit the other extremely valid points by association. It has precisely zero bearing on the actual complaints of the extremely racist accents in DW, and should be soundly ignored.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

I personally feel like you should be able to be representative so long as you have that background, and I can't say for sure whether she's "putting it on" since I don't know her personally.

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Only if they had earn the right to be represent, because that's not an entitlement . The current climate had make identity and social politic a very lucrative business, and people will try to exploit every "assets" available to them, not because they care, but because it's benefit them. I'll give you another example:

- Remember years ago when Elizabeth Warren claimed she's identified as a native-American and it blew up in her face?

- Say if you were a native American and only have two choices, which you would prefer to represent you:

+ a Non-native American who actually live among the tribes and understand their days to day struggle.

+ Someone who lived their whole life as outsider but think they're entitled to the identity claim because of a blip in their DNA test.


Now I'm sure the folks from South America would love to have a representative. But only if they are given an authentic representation, not getting insulted by a fake one. Because in the latter case, which is this case, claiming they represent a group is a farce for the shake of benefit. The only thing they represent is their own self-interest.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Now I'm sure the folks from South America would love to have a representative. But only if they are given an authentic representation, not getting insulted by a fake one. Because in the latter case, which is this case, claiming they represent a group is a farce for the shake of benefit. The only thing they represent is their own self-interest.

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Thank you. That's exactly what angers me - and a ton of other folks from here. The "pretend" surface actions of "Oh, we absolutely care, totally!" that do not go more than surface deep. As demonstrated by the ridiculous size of this thread, and basically any actual born and bread south american, DT fumbles his hard, and it's not just with the accents, but with cultures and food aswell (haha, monocultures and tacos, get it guys? So south american!)

I found Wuk Lamat's voice screechy and unfitting the character. Almost as if it's a white person trying to be racist. (which it is basically)

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

Also not you specifically but I wake up and see at least two new posts being transphobic, calling her "boi" and a biological male and it's really hard to feel like some people aren't just being disingenuous and being hateful to be hateful.

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Listen, maybe its News to you but America is not the center of the World, nobody has to go along and accept what you people do in your corner of the World, if people can just say what they want to be and people accept it for whatever reason there might be Great, but don't expect the rest of the World to care and keeping up with the Reality TV show that is current America, and calling us all kinds of Names.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Only if they had earn the right to be represent, because that's not an entitlement . The current climate had make identity and social politic a very lucrative business, and people will try to exploit every "assets" available to them, not because they care, but because it's benefit them. I'll give you another example:

- Remember years ago when Elizabeth Warren claimed she's identified as a native-American and it blew up in her face?

- Say if you were a native American and only have two choices, which you would prefer to represent you:

+ a Non-native American who actually live among the tribes and understand their days to day struggle.

+ Someone who lived their whole life as outsider but think they're entitled to the identity claim because of a blip in their DNA test.


Now I'm sure the folks from South America would love to have a representative. But only if they are given an authentic representation, not getting insulted by a fake one. Because in the latter case, which is this case, claiming they represent a group is a farce for the shake of benefit. The only thing they represent is their own self-interest.

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I can't for sure know Sena's original intentions but I'd like to and want to feel like they're positive and not taking the role from somebody more deserving for personal gain.

don't want to feel negatively about it because that would be real disappointin. Looking more into it, she doesn't have a great track record, she took an Afro Latina role despite not being afro Latina and I do think that's incredibly bad. She stated she didn't know until recording but I do believe she should have dropped that role there and then personally.

I do completely understand what you're saying and I appreciate you taking the time to express your thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Sharie

Listen, maybe its News to you but America is not the center of the World, nobody has to go along and accept what you people do in your corner of the World, if people can just say what they want to be and people accept it for whatever reason there might be Great, but don't expect the rest of the World to care and keeping up with the Reality TV show that is current America, and calling us all kinds of Names.

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I'm not... American.
I am also trans and don't appreciate seeing transphobia. Her gender is not even relevant to the conversation and you're being disingenuous at best.

Edit: since I reached post limit and can't reply more I'll just add to here.


1. Not everyone who lives in America is American, not everyone who plays NA lives in America or identifies with Americanism.

2. Most Hispanics I know don't identify as white they identify as Hispanic/Latino and don't like being called white, because they don't want to be identified with their oppressors.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Now I'm sure the folks from South America would love to have a representative. But only if they are given an authentic representation, not getting insulted by a fake one. Because in the latter case, which is this case, claiming they represent a group is a farce for the shake of benefit. The only thing they represent is their own self-interest.

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Speaking for myself, whenever I hear some "latino" or "latina" in media randomly injecting words in spanish amidst the english to remind the audience about how latinos they are, I die a little inside, and the fake accents don't help much either.

But then again, I'm the type that doesn't understand the whole representation thing. I'm a south american woman who grew up with Leon-o, Optimus Prime and Kenshin Himura as role models. None of them share my gender nor ethnicity, and one of them is not even human... but I guess seeing past the looks and focusing on characteristics it's wrong or something.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

I'm not... American.
I am also trans and don't appreciate seeing transphobia. Her gender is not even relevant to the conversation and you're being disingenuous at best.

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Well you play on an American Server, so im sorry for assuming, but yeah Offense is Taken not given when someone does not comply, maybe think about it a bit and don't Automatically switch to the Victim status.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

I'm not... American.
I am also trans and don't appreciate seeing transphobia. Her gender is not even relevant to the conversation and you're being disingenuous at best.

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Sorry, but could've fooled me when you mentioned that someone from puerto rican descent was not white.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

Also not you specifically but I wake up and see at least two new posts being transphobic, calling her "boi" and a biological male and it's really hard to feel like some people aren't just being disingenuous and being hateful to be hateful.

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Okay, I will bite here...
Even if someone goes conform with the T-believe, the whole point of it is that the biological sex is not the same as said gender. Therefore it is pretty stupid to call mit transphobia or hatefull if you refer to the VA as biological male if that is the case because that would still not misgendering the VA.

And I hate to break it to you, but yes the biological sex has a big influence on many things. The voice is such a thing.

IF the VA has to change their voice to sound like a woman + has to use to fake an accent will lead to overwhelming focus on those factors... which will be one of the reasons the VA couldnt adapt in the emotional range which made Wuk sound so flat.

BTW not everyone has to go with the T-Narative, that doesnt make them hatefull or phobic in any way.

So could you plz stop playing the victim here and focus on the more important stuff?

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Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy

1. Not everyone who lives in America is American, not everyone who plays NA lives in America or identifies with Americanism.

2. Most Hispanics I know don't identify as white they identify as Hispanic/Latino and don't like being called white, because they don't want to be identified with their oppressors.

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For not being "American" you sure Adopted their twisted Victimhood ideology that everyone is Evil, but my comfy bubble of Toxic Positivity validation, to Clarify im not wishing anyone anything Bad, i hope everyone can Live how they want, what bothers me is thats everyone should Bow down to a fringe Minority thats not even 1% of the population.
We could Live perfectly among eachother if everyone stays in their Lane and not demand being Treated like something special.

You're all weird. Stop taking this out on the voice actress. The producer and director is Yoship and he delegates the english side of the game production to his english sector in CUB3. If you have any issues in regards to the english presentation take it up with them, not with the voice actress.

I could care less what she looks like or sounds like. She did a great job as far as I'm concerned. If anyone's looking for spanish accents then by all means ask square enix to create a spanish version of the game, you could then turn on spanish voices for dawntrail msq.

Radz at han "indian" characters didn't have the stereotypical "indian accent" and in my opinion that didn't take away from their voice acting or anything. You don't really need an accent for good voice acting.

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Originally Posted by Sharie

For not being "American" you sure Adopted their twisted Victimhood ideology that everyone is Evil, but my comfy bubble of Toxic Positivity validation, to Clarify im not wishing anyone anything Bad, i hope everyone can Live how they want, what bothers me is thats everyone should Bow down to a fringe Minority thats not even 1% of the population.
We could Live perfectly among eachother if everyone stays in their Lane and not demand being Treated like something special.

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You sure took well to europe's historical fascist ideology; at least americans didn't start 2 world wars over such ideology.

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She did a great job as far as I'm concerned

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she don't.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

You're all weird. Stop taking this out on the voice actress. The producer and director is Yoship and he delegates the english side of the game production to his english sector in CUB3. If you have any issues in regards to the english presentation take it up with them, not with the voice actress.

I could care less what she looks like or sounds like. She did a great job as far as I'm concerned. If anyone's looking for spanish accents then by all means ask square enix to create a spanish version of the game, you could then turn on spanish voices for dawntrail msq.

Radz at han "indian" characters didn't have the stereotypical "indian accent" and in my opinion that didn't take away from their voice acting or anything. You don't really need an accent for good voice acting.


You sure took well to europe's fascist way of thinking; at least americans didn't start 2 world wars over such ideology.

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all of the Radz-at-han VAs were Indian or of Indian descent

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Originally Posted by AddictedToWitches

all of the Radz-at-han VAs were Indian or of Indian descent

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Didn't sound stereotypical though, specially Varzhan. The same applies to Wuk Lamat, she's of hispanic descent.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

Didn't sound stereotypical though, specially Varzhan. The same applies to Wuk Lamat, she's of hispanic descent.

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Sena's parents are white and her puerto rican descent is distant, at best.
Descent ALONE, should not be the only factor, but also PROFICIENCY in the native accent and language. Sena has proclaimed herself that she doesn't even speak any Hispanic language.
Though honestly, I agree that I don't think it was "racist" to cast her in the role, I just think she was grossly miscast, an action that should be blamed on the voice director and not herself. In fact, I think no one would be complaining as much if she didn't voice the character with the most speaking lines in the entire expansion.
Imagine if, for example, they had Sena voice Mablu, Shale, or either of the Oblivion twins instead (only using these for an example) I think this thread would just not exist.

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Originally Posted by AddictedToWitches

Sena's parents are white and her puerto rican descent is distant, at best.
Descent ALONE, should not be the only factor, but also PROFICIENCY in the native accent and language. Sena has proclaimed herself that she doesn't even speak any Hispanic language.
Though honestly, I agree that I don't think it was "racist" to cast her in the role, I just think she was grossly miscast, an action that should be blamed on the voice director and not herself. In fact, I think no one would be complaining as much if she didn't voice the character with the most speaking lines in the entire expansion.
Imagine if, for example, they had Sena voice Mablu, Shale, or either of the Oblivion twins instead (only using these for an example) I think this thread would just not exist.

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It's subjective though. I haven't read any reason why her voice acting wasn't good. Is it the accent or what? If an english cast character doesn't have an european "accent" should they be considered a bad voice actor/actress?

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Originally Posted by Rekh

It's subjective though. I haven't read any reason why her voice acting wasn't good. Is it the accent or what? If an english cast character doesn't have an european "accent" should they be considered a bad voice actor/actress?

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are you serious ? She cant even scream correctly ffs, whether happy or sad or angry, her voice is the same.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

at least americans didn't start 2 world wars over such ideology.

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this is the lowest quality bait I've seen in a long time, are you alright?

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Originally Posted by Rekh

It's subjective though. I haven't read any reason why her voice acting wasn't good. Is it the accent or what? If an english cast character doesn't have an european "accent" should they be considered a bad voice actor/actress?

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Her accent an intonation are forced. She sounds flat in every single scene. There is no difference. She sounds overly fake. When pronouncing every single name, location, and term from Tuliyollal, she very clearly pauses and says it slowly so as not to mispronounce it, which is not a good thing to do when you're supposed to be playing a character who has lived their for years and should be pronouncing all of it naturally.
Her SPEEEEEEEN, LEESEN TOO MEE in the final trial sounds pathetically bad. Literally shouting in lowercase. takes all of the tension and hype away from the moment

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Originally Posted by Lak14

are you serious ? She cant even scream correctly ffs, whether happy or sad or angry, her voice is the same.

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Japanese female voice actresses sound like 5 year olds when screaming, what's your point? This is not unique to her, this is also the case for most english voice actors/actresses, including the ones in xiv. Compare japanese and english Tataru voice actresses or even Thancred; the emotional and/or voice impact levels are starkly different. This is an english vs japanese difference, not an actor/actress specific issue.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

You sure took well to europe's historical fascist ideology; at least americans didn't start 2 world wars over such ideology.

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Out of all the thousand+ Years of European History you pick that example just to Prove your Point Bravo, lets not get started with how Bad American Education is you can have your "Gotcha" Sir or Madam or whatever you identify as.