Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Roda

Well ok to be absolutely fair, calling them "new races" isn't really accurate.
The Kul Tiran humans would count, as well as maybe the Zandalari trolls. But all of the other allied races are just old races with new textures, faces hairs, and voices. The animations and bodies are identical to their old counterparts (and those two are typically the most time consuming things to implement).

Though they did create the Vulpera and Sethrak that ARE basically the same as two new player races, except they made them npc only for some reason.

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I think the Zandalari only have unique dances. The males use the male night elf skeleton, and the females are identical to every other female troll apart from their eyes and skin.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Hot diddle, relates to famous spear work too haha. Mountain, cold, spear, lion.

OI OI, GWEN, GWEN - What race does that sound like?



OH, RoooNNNsssssUUUOOOO!?!?!?!?!

Hahaha <3 :D


I play of course, the fact it doesn't use the name like Viera means they're probably going to toy with the imagery a bit (iirc Ronso in French is still Ronso, so this race is new). But those references.. they just keep giving XD.

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NO RONSO FOR U11!!!!

But if they are, then wham bam! Congrats!

So many posts; any big news on the male Viera front?

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Exactly. If WoW can spit out 4 or 5 races with both genders during that last expansion of theirs then what on earth prevents FFXIV from doing the same?

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I'm not sure how good WoW is graphically nowadays, but a lot of this up to at least Warlords was that the meshes used for WoW armor are very simple+few, and new armor is many times just a new texture, plus new head/shoulder models.

Heads and shoulders are the most complex pieces modelwise and are pieces that don't require much body-specific rigging at all (so little extra work per new race), and when it comes to chests and legs (which require the most fitting) the number of unique models is pretty limited, where a new caster raid set might just consist of a new texture slapped on the same robe+pants meshes that's been used since level 1, plus new helm+shoulder models.

FFXIV's actual models for armor are by and large unique, and so each one has to be updated to fit each new race properly.

I would like to call to mind an old interview, not sure if it's been posted before in this thread.
https://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/2...baby-behemoth/

Q38: In terms of new races, what kind of races are you looking into and will mixed races be introduced?

A38: I don’t think we’ll have mixed races for a while. Since it seems like Viera is popular around the world we have been proactively looking into this, but since having a rabbit male might be kind of weird, maybe we’ll look into having a separate race for the male counterpart.


This seems to be exactly what is happening.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Imagine being gay as hell and someone assumes you're homophobic.

I simply just don't care to play a feminine male race.

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And that's totally fine. Having a preference for playing as a certain type of a character doesn't make you homophobic. It's just a personal preference.

Shippuu made a really good point earlier in this thread about how people are going to be disappointed when they implement male Viera because the male Viera they might implement won't be to everybody's liking.

Some people want the short, cutesy male Viera. Personally, I want the tall, muscular, athletic males that we see in the concept art. I prefer masculine characters too, perhaps not necessarily hypermasculine, or super beefed up characters, but definitely not short and cutesy. Not that there's anything wrong with short and cutesy.

For example, I think male Au Ra have the best bodies (I just don't like their scales). They're tall, muscular, have lean waists, nice arms, sort of like a male fitness model.

Now, when it comes to Roegadyn, it's not my first pick to play as. While I like bulky guys, I don't like playing as them.

But in the end, it's good to have variety. The more variety, the better. I love seeing tons of options.

I'll probably never play as a beast race because beast races don't appeal to me at all. I prefer human faces above anything else. But I'm not against the idea of a beast race being made for the game because it adds variety. And I appreciate variety.

Of course, if I had to choose between male Viera or a beast race, I would choose male Viera. But that's my personal preference. This is where we differ.

All we can do is respect each other's opinion, and not insult or belittle others' opinions because they're different.

The best case scenario is that both Viera and Hrothgar have both genders playable. That way, everyone can have access to it. I'm sure there are players out there who do want to play as a female beast race, no matter how small that population may be.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

NO RONSO FOR U11!!!!

But if they are, then wham bam! Congrats!

So many posts; any big news on the male Viera front?

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:D hehe.

For male viera I didn't see/hear anything new, mostly just that the gender was written for male and female for both races.. suggesting the French localization team is either very thorough/uniform in implementation (even if it wont be used) or there was a reason to do so. I think you already knew that though, saw someone on discord with a similar name yesterday - so stalker-y sounding lol. It was a public discord! :P.

Basically we're still stuck at a very hard "it's both possible it will or will not happen" XD.

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Originally Posted by Roda

I think it's more the promise made with the transition from 1.0 to 2.0 where they wouldn't do that whole genderlocking thing anymore...

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What promise? Because right before 2.0 came out Yoshida directly stated in the future if they added Viera he may do a male only race. That's the opposite of promising they would never do it.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

On the topic of why people are taking "au ra" to be neutral in French, it's not so much "l'Ao ra" but "mon Ao ra" which is telling. All the other races are addressed as "ma" if the character is female.

However, I would not put much weight on this. If the game runs a separate check for inserting correctly gendered nouns etc., it doesn't really matter whether feminine articles/possessives are used or whether Au ra are, for whatever reason, treated as a neutral gender when the race is referred to. It sets no binding precedent on SE, either, to adopt it for future races.

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I might be replaying late, but "mon ao ra" is also due to French grammar, not the fact that "ao ra" is treated as neutral in French. As far as I can think, no living species are treated as neutral in French, either they have both a masculine and a feminine words, or they only have one gender word and then we specify the sex by adding the equivalent of male/female if needed (for instance frog only exists has a feminine word and edgehog as a masculine one).
Possessive determiner "ma, ta, sa" (my, your, his/her/its for feminine/female term) becomes "mon, ton, son" in front of a word starting with a vowel (or an h in some cases) for euphonic reason. So, even though "école" (school) is feminine, we say "mon école" (my school) but "ma grande école" (my big school).

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Originally Posted by Yasminou

I might be replaying late, but "mon ao ra" is also due to French grammar, not the fact that "ao ra" is treated as neutral in French. As far as I can think, no living species are treated as neutral in French, either they have both a masculine and a feminine words, or they only have one gender word and then we specify the sex by adding the equivalent of male/female if needed (for instance frog only exists has a feminine word and edgehog as a masculine one).
Possessive determiner "ma, ta, sa" (my, your, his/her/its for feminine/female term) becomes "mon, ton, son" in front of a word starting with a vowel (or an h in some cases) for euphonic reason. So, even though "école" (school) is feminine, we say "mon école" (my school) but "ma grande école" (my big school).

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My French is getting rusty I suppose. Thanks for the correction. In which case, it's consistent with the rest of the races.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

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It's good to see this, however it should be noted that the situation regarding 1.0 into 2.0 was drastically different than the current situation we have. Back then, 1.0 failed so hard it damaged the entire brand, they were in a bad position and were basically correcting every complaint they feasibly could because they needed to garner tremendous favor. This is a strong motivator to do things you might not think is necessary.

Fast forward to today, things are very different. The game is a rousing success and it opens them up to experimenting. Not releasing male viera isn't going to cause the game to abruptly fail, it probably won't even significantly damage shadowbringer sales. This context matters a bit.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

That is incorrect. Culture entry for Raen in the first Lorebook: 'The Raen have fully assimilated to the cultures of Doma and Hingashi, and live faithfully according to the regions' traditions. Perhaps owing to their heritage and the status they gained in the service of their warlords, they place particular importance on hierarchy and the master-servant relationship.'

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It says they're assimilated to the culture. It doesn't say they hang out with them. It just means when you visit them where they live, the culture you'll find won't be dissimilar to Doma/Hingashi.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

It's good to see this, however it should be noted that the situation regarding 1.0 into 2.0 was drastically different than the current situation we have. Back then, 1.0 failed so hard it damaged the entire brand, they were in a bad position and were basically correcting every complaint they feasibly could because they needed to garner tremendous favor. This is a strong motivator to do things you might not think is necessary.

Fast forward to today, things are very different. The game is a rousing success and it opens them up to experimenting. Not releasing male viera isn't going to cause the game to abruptly fail, it probably won't even significantly damage shadowbringer sales. This context matters a bit.

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The genders were introduced because players asked for them. Regardless of the status of the game, regardless of experimentation, the feedback was noted and acted on. One of the quotes specifically mentions Yoshi being surprised by the amount of people who wanted a playable Femroe. Today, Femroes are the least popular played race and yet the game is better for having them for those that, for one reason or another, want to be a big muscular chick.

Im not going to imply that gender locked races will cause the game to crash and burn. But if the devs are willing to let us have more Ishgard content after listening to players repeatedly ask for it, I think its hypocritical to imply that races should be held to a different standard.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

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Mfw if they're gender locked this is just going to happen. Could have just skipped a bloody step and not gender lock them.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Mfw if they're gender locked this is just going to happen. Could have just skipped a bloody step and not gender lock them.

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131 pages in less than 2 weeks lol

If Hrothgar are listed ahead of Viera, I have to wonder if they were in the works first and then the endless demand for the Viera made them shift to a split race to fit both in?!

More rationally, if they are split, I'm not surprised if the male race is listed first - it seems consistent with males being the first/default setting for other races on the character creator screen.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

Bestial option that's less human looking but still within the realm of plausible as a player race option: Zero

Sounds like some actual diversity there.

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I feel like Au Ra *is* that less human but plausible option. They've written themselves into a corner with the focus on "men vs beastmen" in ARR's script. Au Ra are striking and have "monstrous" features while still retaining human faces and overall shape.

Ronso would be pushing (if not over) what I'd assume to be the boundary between the two.

If they do gender lock Viera, there will be a backlash of some kind. While its not going to make FFXIV buckle, I do think it will leave a bit of a dent in the game. Gender locked races are, from what Ive ever observed in MMOs, not all that popular a concept with very specific exceptions. I think if they genderlocked Viera, people would be upset enough over it, and you might see a dent in FFXIV sales or subs over it. Again, it wont breka the game, but itll be somethign note worthy where people will say "Hey remember when they gender locked Viera? Yeah, that was stupid."

Broadly, it appears people do want male Viera.

Now Im still under the belief they will introduce them. Theres a sizable player base demand for them, FFXIV isnt beholden to the lore of other FFs so there is no real lore reason not too, YoshiP Im pretty sure has stated hes not a fan of gender locked races himself, the reveal would be a big deal so theres a reason to withhold them, and (this is more speculative) game companies are more likely to tread carefully in regards to their players bases lately due to all the big upsets in the industry as of late. The safer bet would be not having gender locked races, because its reasonable to assume that more people would flip it over Viera being female only vs those who would say "Gawsh, the Lore of older FF games only had female Viera!"

Also now that I think about hrothgar, they might be a dead race. That is, this was somethign they were planning on implementing and possibly canceled on relatively recently due to other limitations or time. We may not get a race beyond Viera, but old code was put into place regarding it.

Grr.

Will the final fanfest just happen already.

Surely they don't ignore threads as big as this one? Maybe after the continuous onslaught of requests for male Viera they got the message that the majority of people are against gender locked races and have been working with that in mind as they built the Hrothgar and Viera.

Also, although we don't really know how the leakers got their info...if they were just playing the game or translating the text of npcs-wouldn't they have come to the conclusion the races were gender locked since, as we have seen with male Moonkeepers, the other genders don't have a large role? If they were playing the game, according to the last fanfest the player models even for female Viera aren't done so I doubt they could actually change into either race, and maybe interacted with placeholders until those get eventually replaced. With nothing else to go off and with text clues in their dialogue reaffirming the way their societies work, I can see why they would read this and think the races are gender locked.

This is all just my speculation though. I have no idea how they actually test the game or do translations before it gets released, but it just has me wondering...

See, if they were part of the translation team; that the info that Blufever was leaking could indeed be tied into this information we have here. This could explain why he updated his information with the new race while before he only said Viera.

The only question I have is that if he was part of the translation team or doing the code, etc. Then he would have seen the name of the race and telling us that name wouldn't have hurt him. Instead, all he knew was that they were lions.

Weird one really, why was Hrothgar before Viera? That's the one that doesn't make sense. A throwback from Stormblood or HW maybe? Why were they made before Viera?

The only reason this makes me frown is that if they were made at the same time then Viera should be the one getting the most attention, not Hrothgar which would have been the 'male' only race. And as people argue, most folk in this game tend to play female more than male. So, wouldn't the female only race get more attention and be created first?

This brings up the idea that Yoshida wasn't even going to bother making the dude Viera and went straight for the 'lion race' gender lock.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

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love how page 1 has a male keeper miqo'te trying to use lore for why male miqo'te shouldn't be playable shame they appear to stop playing though :(

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

love how page 1 has a male keeper miqo'te trying to use lore for why male miqo'te shouldn't be playable shame they appear to stop playing though :(

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I love that the first page is full of the same types of arguments we've seen all over this thread. "Eew, femroes would be so gross!" "Male miquotes are too lore breaking!"

I personally think Male Viera will be a playable race. But on the chance that they are not, even if they add a second Male only race, I have to say I think it would be a massive mistake.

Viera has been asked about and talked about for years, I remember the idea being floated around in the early days of ARR and throughout it all, it was discussed as both male and female options. I think theres a genuine desire for both genders. I don't think a gender locked race has any place in a modern MMO. Especially given the female Viera's design choice. Though i think that there is no way they could add Viera without including homage to its original source. Personally, not adding male Viera in my opinion would have an overt negative effect on XIV. Not only because it would cause a lot of disappointment in the community, but because it gives an impression that as far as im concerned should be buried.

Yes there is the chance that they could a male only race for balance, but this is the worst case scenario. We have lore on the Viera that could excuse the males being... absent, but with another race, how could that be explained? The only reasonable race that i could accept as Gender-locked are something like the sylphs, because they are completely indistinguishable and in that case, what would be the point? You just wouldn't denote a gender at all.

Essentially, if there are gender locked races added, in whichever format, for me it would be the biggest mistake Yoshi P and the devs have ever made with FFXIV. That said, I don't think they are unaware of the rift it would cause, so I can't see them being so foolish as to gender Lock Viera. In the end though, the JP fan fest will reveal it, for good or ill.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

If you are indeed gay, it baffles me that you would shame someone for not conforming to the norm.

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Masculinity is attractive to me, femininity is not. It's just that simple, what's so baffling about that?

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Myth: I'm gay and therefore can not be homophobic.

Reality: There's homophobia even inside the gay community, mocking something over percieved "feminity" is one example.

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Come again? Homophobia is literally the dislike or prejudice against homosexuals, has nothing to do with femininity or masculinity. Don't get your terms mixed up.

Always has to come round to social politics with the official forums, huh?

Being gay and not feminine is homophobic.
You learn something new every day.
Guess I'd better hand in my gay card.

Explaining the inner workings of the gay subcultures is not the main focus of this thread...to summarize things let's just say that people tend to go for people who look like them, though there are chasers that chase the other gay subcultures. They're all based of body types and tend to be really superficial, which is kinda sad but that's just how it works. Bears tend to only like bears because at some point or another they have trauma from being rejected by a skinnier guy. This makes them either hate them or constantly pine on them. Then skinnier guys who have body image and/or daddy issues makes them either chase bears or be grossed out by them.

~Anyways I have a question, is it allowed for people to share pictures of how some players have modded their characters to look like male Viera? I saw some on tumblr that looked amazing but I don't know if that is ok to share them on these forums.

Anyways, if it wasn't said already, the reference to the appearance of Hrothgar in the GLA quest wasn't in there until after December. It was pointed out by a user called Awaterujin on reddit when someone was curious about when the race was added to the files.

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Originally Posted by Wolfyboy

Anyways, if it wasn't said already, the reference to the appearance of Hrothgar in the GLA quest wasn't in there until after December. It was pointed out by a user called Awaterujin on reddit when someone was curious about when the race was added to the files.

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Howd they know it wasnt in there before?

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Originally Posted by Rokke

The genders were introduced because players asked for them. Regardless of the status of the game, regardless of experimentation, the feedback was noted and acted on.

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But the decision to act on them was absolutely influenced by the state of the game. That's what part of relaunching the game was, taking a list of everything the playerbase had complaints about, and doing what they could to fix them, even if normally it might not have been something a game director would consider necessary.

The very fact Yoshida would even comment and be open to the idea of another genderlocked race just a few months before the relaunch of 2.0 shows that even after fixing that he still felt like the concept of gender locked races was viable for the future.

The same feedback they acted on for 1.0 to 2.0 absolutely wouldn't be the same kind of feedback they act on for the current game.

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One of the quotes specifically mentions Yoshi being surprised by the amount of people who wanted a playable Femroe. Today, Femroes are the least popular played race and yet the game is better for having them for those that, for one reason or another, want to be a big muscular chick.

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And I wonder how he feels about that particular decision and development time spent. He might take caution in the future and perhaps not listen to people who may seem vocal about something, only to ultimately not actually play it/consume it. Similarly, people complained (and still do, in this thread even) about the dimorphic nature of Au Ra. He could easily take that pushback and apply it to help himself justify not doing male Viera. If he wanted to make them dimorphic (again because he's not keen on male bunnies), but then he'd catch flak again for doing it, it might encourage him to just not do that and instead we are presented with a possible male only separate race.

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Im not going to imply that gender locked races will cause the game to crash and burn. But if the devs are willing to let us have more Ishgard content after listening to players repeatedly ask for it, I think its hypocritical to imply that races should be held to a different standard.

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By all means if gender locks happen than campaign for them to be unlocked. I'm with everyone in that I'd want both these races to be unlocked. But I'm also a person who would have preferred something more interesting than Viera to be added to the game. So if it's to be genderlocked, so be it if it means we get something more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Howd they know it wasnt in there before?

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Possibly keeping an archive of the data to sift through quickly for changes.

This seems like a strange addition to add into the game. Consider Aura, they didnt go back and edit in Aura into the class quests lines. Its a weird place to insert lore; most of your player base wont see that tidbit.

Hmmmm.... If someone hands in their card.. can I use it?
<Group using group status against me>
Me: *Pulls out Seraphor's card, wins by default*

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

~Anyways I have a question, is it allowed for people to share pictures of how some players have modded their characters to look like male Viera? I saw some on tumblr that looked amazing but I don't know if that is ok to share them on these forums.

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If it's modded game files, don't do it - at least if you knew it was modification of the game. If it's photoshop (and not content that might be age questionable) then yeah it's fine. Although you might get in trouble if you just start image dumping and not talking lol. Also consider if people's names show up if it's in game (name tags), depending on circumstance people might claim you were calling them out.. So maybe blur our character names unless it's abundantly clear it's not a call out. Artist's signatures don't count, I just mean don't be like "this Viera is awful" and there is some person's name above it from the in game screen grab lol.

The above is probably overly sensitive but safe is good :).

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Howd they know it wasnt in there before?

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Comparing two archives, also some people would probably make change logs to search through later (big lists of things that were touched, very big lists).

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

This seems like a strange addition to add into the game. Consider Aura, they didnt go back and edit in Aura into the class quests lines. Its a weird place to insert lore; most of your player base wont see that tidbit.

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I've been wondering if they're going to revisit some 1.0/2.0 areas. There is more of Coerthas.. And the restoration of Ishgard is something that is considered to be happening through 5.0. Then it would not be so weird to have dialog fixed up for a race to be in those areas.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

YoshiP Im pretty sure has stated hes not a fan of gender locked races himself

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Demonstrably false. I really wish this lie would stop being repeated so much.

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Also now that I think about hrothgar, they might be a dead race. That is, this was somethign they were planning on implementing and possibly canceled on relatively recently due to other limitations or time. We may not get a race beyond Viera, but old code was put into place regarding it.

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Typically things don't make it to the localization phase just to be cut. Especially something like a player race which needs a ton of work on the art and animations asset side. You wouldn't get to the stage where the localization team needs to start putting not just the race's name but also descriptors such as noticeable features.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I've been wondering if they're going to revisit some 1.0/2.0 areas. There is more of Coerthas.. And the restoration of Ishgard is something that is considered to be happening through 5.0. Then it would not be so weird to have dialog fixed up for a race to be in those areas.

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I considered thta there might be something that brings us back into the local areas, but again, this doesnt make sense from what Im reading here. This mention is within a class quest, not a region thing. Most of the player base will probably have seen this quest if theyve gotten PLD so they would never encounter this dialogue. So why would they insert it in here. Its a strange design choice which raises more questions about this. Also, adding it in in December also makes little sense broadly. A one off lore bit to something that has 0 reference in any other part of the game, not mentioned in any dev commentary, and were only paying attention to this because of a recent leak: Its all very unusual and something isnt adding up in that respects.

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I considered thta there might be something that brings us back into the local areas, but again, this doesnt make sense from what Im reading here. This mention is within a class quest, not a region thing. Most of the player base will probably have seen this quest if theyve gotten PLD so they would never encounter this dialogue. So why would they insert it in here. Its a strange design choice which raises more questions about this. Also, adding it in in December also makes little sense broadly. A one off lore bit to something that has 0 reference in any other part of the game, not mentioned in any dev commentary, and were only paying attention to this because of a recent leak: Its all very unusual and something isnt adding up in that respects.

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Eh~ I mean most of us are done with those quests :p but I'm sure the team is hoping that we're not the only players they'll ever have :D.

As for such an obscure thing could be in.. It could simply be they had a bunch of files and things they were working on and simply merged a few wrong things together. One day they were working on 5.0 stuff and the next someone was like "fix this, add that now" and they worked on the wrong set of files and put them into the game. Sometimes its just on purpose too, WoW did it a lot and FFXIV itself has done it with RDM and SAM.

So I think, going back makes sense because of new players and why it's such a weird location would be because there are not many places in the game that describe your looks (iirc) and we're not having the whole chunk of work added yet.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

If it's modded game files, don't do it - at least if you knew it was modification of the game. If it's photoshop (and not content that might be age questionable) then yeah it's fine. Although you might get in trouble if you just start image dumping and not talking lol. Also consider if people's names show up if it's in game (name tags), depending on circumstance people might claim you were calling them out.. So maybe blur our character names unless it's abundantly clear it's not a call out. Artist's signatures don't count, I just mean don't be like "this Viera is awful" and there is some person's name above it from the in game screen grab lol.

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Hmm might not post them then. It sucks cause they're actually really good edits/photoshops/mods/whatever it is they are. They're kind of like artsy screenshots taken in gpose, so the image itself doesn't show any names but I think I'll steer clear of them. Hopefully when they add male Viera people won't have to resort to breaking the game rules to get to play as them, cause mods in a single player game is one thing but in an mmorpg that's another story.

This is someone's drawing that I thought looked really cool, especially if we get something like this hairstyle when they're added:
https://66.media.tumblr.com/7ecf5a9a...0nmio1_400.png

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

And I wonder how he feels about that particular decision and development time spent. He might take caution in the future and perhaps not listen to people who may seem vocal about something, only to ultimately not actually play it/consume it. Similarly, people complained (and still do, in this thread even) about the dimorphic nature of Au Ra. He could easily take that pushback and apply it to help himself justify not doing male Viera. If he wanted to make them dimorphic (again because he's not keen on male bunnies), but then he'd catch flak again for doing it, it might encourage him to just not do that and instead we are presented with a possible male only separate race.

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Using femra's popularity against them in the context of adding new races is somewhat unfair, both to them and to the new race. As I said earlier in the thread, muscular male races are significantly less popular than less muscular male races. If this new race is influenced by existing race trends, it’ll look like a human with 80’s hair and cat tail.

Au Ra’s extreme dimorphism was an…interesting decision. Noticeable dimorphism isn’t inherently awful imo, but when with both cranked up to 11 in opposite directions...its something lol. imo if you look at their concept art you can see where they started to try to sell a single race to two vast different demographics: those who buy into teeny tiny anime waifus, and those who wanted something borderline beastly, racial cohesion be damned. Were the males a tad smaller or the females a tad more beastly it wouldn’t have been so odd.

If effeminate males are the issue, the males could be beefed up without ending with a pair where one barely meets the other’s bellybutton xD Personally the issue with effeminate bugs me a bit. Not for any SJWish reasons, but like…logically the males and females shouldn’t likely be ridiculously different past colors/manes/other sexual dimorphisms. The bunnies have to get it on at some point to make more bunnies. If the females are tall, lean, and walk on their toes, would a tall, lean, man that walks on their toes really be that awkward a design to work with?

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By all means if gender locks happen than campaign for them to be unlocked. I'm with everyone in that I'd want both these races to be unlocked. But I'm also a person who would have preferred something more interesting than Viera to be added to the game. So if it's to be genderlocked, so be it if it means we get something more interesting.

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I would have been all for a beast pair had they gone with that. I just hate the idea of two halves, especially with such a highly demanded (and teased) whole.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

This seems like a strange addition to add into the game. Consider Aura, they didnt go back and edit in Aura into the class quests lines. Its a weird place to insert lore; most of your player base wont see that tidbit.

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Maybe SE is making the game a little bit more "immersive" when it comes to your race of choice and some NPCs might acknowledge that. It might even be a way of them saying "Hey, you, come check the New Game+ feature we're adding this expansion because now you might have some race specific interactions on it as well".

That or they might do something similar to how beast tribes progress work. As in: The map looks different based off your reputation with said beast tribe, and it doesn't conflict with the "immersion" of someone else's progress.
So maybe based off your progess on the mainstory, we might finally see Au Ra, Hrothgar and Viera NPCs interacting to the other races on areas introduced prior to their release.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

Demonstrably false. I really wish this lie would stop being repeated so much.



Typically things don't make it to the localization phase just to be cut. Especially something like a player race which needs a ton of work on the art and animations asset side. You wouldn't get to the stage where the localization team needs to start putting not just the race's name but also descriptors such as noticeable features.

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you really just like to argue... let the people who want male viera speak their piece so that maybe SE will get the idea that gender locking isn't what mmorpg players want on the vast majority

Male viera seems kind of unlikely to me at this point.

It could possibly go this way; we get a tall variant of viera that is female only (the ones we saw in the trailer), and the variant that look like "young elezen" will have males and females. Additionally, we'll get a lion race - probably gender locked to males.

If we are getting a shorter variant of viera, the males and females could look kind of similar... If they actually did go out of their way to make a shorter variant of viera, and if the males and females look similar, then that wouldn't be an extraordinary amount of extra work to create males. It'd still be extra work with the animations and all, but if they look similar, why not use those assets for males, too? This is just wishful thinking, though. It's unlikely we'll see male viera. Very unfortunate. I'd love to be wrong.

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Originally Posted by artyport

you really just like to argue... let the people who want male viera speak their piece so that maybe SE will get the idea that gender locking isn't what mmorpg players want on the vast majority

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I'm allowed to speak my opinions and engage in dialogue on a public forum. Not once have I said anyone couldn't or shouldn't speak their mind here, nor have I told anyone to stop advocating for what they want.

If you'd prefer an echo chamber there's plenty of places and sites that would accommodate you. I pay my sub like everyone else here, I have just as much right to voice my opinion as anyone else does.