BIG~ mistake SE. Mighty big. (Materials Usage License)

Right, like anyone here really cares about the 'big youtubers,' who like to make money off of other people's work, simply by streaming themselves playing it. No thanks.

Why are people assuming things it doesn't say? It says "You may not monetize your video via the YouTube partner program or any similar programs on other video sharing sites.". It actually doesn't say you can't monetize the videos you make at all. Just that you can't use YouTube or similar programs to do it. That means that people who gather donations or have partnerships are not affected by this rule. Well unless their site requires a paid subscription. The license flat out says someone can't do it.

You know, threads like these continually remind me of the following SNL skit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSjLiQxEZlM

I've posted it on the forums before, and sadly, I just keep seeing more opportunities to post it.

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Originally Posted by Zendo

Okay. I would love to have a firm yes/no on this from someone (would help if i was able to make my own thread yet!) but I totally get where you're coming from, that as long as it's in good taste I should be OK. Thanks for the input!

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Np. ^^b Also keep in mind that unless the right holders are total d**ks (which this tos agreement seems to say otherwise), they'll send a warning letter first. It'll sound stern cause it's in legalise, but it's just their way of asking you to take the stuff down. As long as you go "Yep, sorry about that. Didn't realize I was stepping on your toes." you'll be fine.

The official word can be hard to get since someone will usually have to tap a lawyer's shoulder >.<. Good luck though. If you get a reply, post it here. I'm interested in knowing the official word too. ^^b

Oh, Also this actually does not effect game reviews and such, Game sites need only ask the SE PR for permission and state they are showing a video, upon consent they are allowed. Which has been the norm for all video reviews. as if they did not they would face legal trouble.

Lets not twist and skew it like its the end of the world, the moral of this agreement is, Unless SE says or gives permission you cant. I find it hard to believe the big reviewers wont just ask. Makes sense to ye or nay advertising... dont want a person making your stuff look bad cuz they wanted a quick buck

Though it has become painfully clear that many of the video makers that are getting money are likely breaking the law.

Funny that everyone seems to get hung up on YouTube and doesn't think of the whole picture.

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You may not monetize your video via the YouTube partner program or any similar programs on other video sharing sites.

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That means any advertising partner programs, including the ones on Twitch.tv or any other streaming site. Right now, out of the top 10 FFXIV channels, 5 are currently using monetizing advertisements and subscription plans. Those channels comprise over 8000 viewers, which is over 70% of current viewership watching FFXIV.

I'd be interested to see if Twitch or SE actually do anything about that and risk the publicity hit that would bring, or just ignore it and show this restriction has no teeth.

Youtube doesn't allow you to monetize video game footage either, without permission.

Actually, reviews fall under fair use, so they do not even need approval to use footage. A ton of people in this thread have no idea how copy-write law actually works. In reality SE could force down anything not covered under fair use that is making money, these include guides, highlights, raid videos, or whatnot. However, the clause they used only gives them the option to pursue take down notices, but does not mean they will do it. I would wait until they actually start forcing stuff down before bringing out the pitchforks.

oh how cute you decided to put me on your original post... it's still a bitchfest and again it's their decision so again cry me a river build me a bridge and please get the fuck over yourself if they have a problem with it they'll go to se and ask for permission to do it it's not your place to be the big champion on it

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Originally Posted by SIXTYONESIX

Youtube doesn't allow you to monetize video game footage either, without permission.

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I was reading this thread, at work as usual and waiting to get home, and wondered when someone would point this simple fact out.

Next players will be asking for an RMAH like blizzard...

Excuese my irrogents but how do you make money off you tube video? when you see you tube for free? I would I pay to see a video of FF 14? first i have heard of this.

There's so many things to point out about the good and bad of the situation. Simple point is though, the biggest publicity that the game has is not people who make videos on youtube or streamers, it's the NAME. Final Fantasy... that alone has established itself as the biggest marketing tool the game can have. It doesn't matter if you played ANY FF game, there are significant odds that you've at least heard of the franchise. I have a friend who has next to no video game experience (Mario Bros on the Wii is probably the 2nd game she ever played), yet she has heard of the FF franchise.

Yeah, they could get additional publicity and "free" advertisement, but maybe they don't care to? If it's not about the money for you, as a video maker/streamer, why does it matter to you that they (SE) stand to lose free advertisement?

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Originally Posted by Draven

Youtube stuff.

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Totally agree. Also, depending on the scope of their 'monetization' definition, twitch is out, too. Support player content like this is one of the major factors that has kept WoW functioning as long as it has (and trust me, I loathe WoW and everything it stands for).

SE either needs to figure out their community management, or get a better translation team -- whatever the problem is they are in serious need of recombobulation on the NA/EU front. Their current activity betrays a terrifying ignorance of the western market, and despite any good intentions comes across as callous and bigoted.

I say this having lived in Japan and experienced the culture (and language, in case you were wondering). I am inclined to agree with the many thoughts on the forum that this is all due to miscommunication, but it's 2013 people. SE has put out one online game already, albeit they've not done the foreign data center thing until now, but you think they would have learned from the giants like Sony, Toyota, and others. It isn't as if this playbook hasn't already been written a hundred times since the Japanese boom '70s and '80s.

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Originally Posted by Cyberpirate

they cant even handle the amount of players they already have why would they want more?

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The fact that you said this, and that 44 liked it:

http://www.reactionface.info/sites/d...4029819767.png

So they won't let you make money off their product... I fail to see why you can't understand that. Running streams or youtube video's for the sake of making advertising revenue is no different than posting/streaming a movie still in the theater without paying royalties for all to see and not expecting the content owners to come after you.

They decided they didn't want you making money off their product... deal with it.

OP, you should probably include Totalbiscuits new video in the OP to show people what the reality of the situation of this is. Here's a link to his video: (This is why I love Totalbiscuit)

I think what people fail to understand is that there is more going on than Square just saying no. The rights to things like game music, voice actors voices, sound effects, even artwork, are owned by several entities other than just Square and I can guarantee you they want to make sure that their work is only being used in the context of the game as that's what they have given their permission for. Many of the creators of this additional content may fall back to Square as a licensee of their work to make sure that other people are not profitting from what they have worked for.

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Originally Posted by Spy

OP, you should probably include Totalbiscuits new video in the OP to show people what the reality of the situation of this is. Here's a link to his video: (This is why I love Totalbiscuit)

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Bumping for great justice. Also Baker Cat.

They have that clause because they want to be the ones making money off of videos, you see.

Simple solution: Don't monetize your video....

A lot of Youtubers' content helps me to enjoy the game that much more and I will be sad to see a lot quality content not being made.

I find this whole discussion hilarious, in part because the instigators are so keen in ignoring their own reasons for arguing against the current restrictions.

Money.

Yes, this is the whole reason you are arguing about this, yes you will argue otherwise but if SE put any other restriction that would not stop you from making money off it, I am sure you would not argue about it.
I saw a few people making one interesting point, Square Enix has a lot of suscribers at the moment and more coming, I am sure they can handle their own advertising.
As for the pissed off youtubers that can not make money off it, I laugh for their forced critiques aimed at debunking the game,it goes along with all the damn reviews out there who out of being pissed off are giving the game a bad rep.

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Originally Posted by mmcsky

I find this whole discussion hilarious, in part because the instigators are so keen in ignoring their own reasons for arguing against the current restrictions.

Money.

Yes, this is the whole reason you are arguing about this, yes you will argue otherwise but if SE put any other restriction that would not stop you from making money off it, I am sure you would not argue about it.

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Yes it is about money. It's about the small time youtubers and other content makers that scrape by on what they make. Versus a mega-conglomerate company that makes money hand over fist.

Stop muzzling the ox as it treads the field.

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Originally Posted by Porta

Yes it is about money. It's about the small time youtubers and other content makers that scrape by on what they make. Versus a mega-conglomerate company that makes money hand over fist.

Stop muzzling the ox as it treads the field.

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I am sorry, I guess because I do not "scrape" income off just one thing I cannot relate.

Main thing is, under the law you are stealing, no matter how poor you may be (though affording internet and a gaming computer makes me doubt that) it is not excuse to break the law.

You can stick it up to the man and blame the illuminati as much as you want, but unless you play with the rules, instead that against them you will always face a wall at the end of the day.

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Originally Posted by Porta

Yes it is about money. It's about the small time youtubers and other content makers that scrape by on what they make. Versus a mega-conglomerate company that makes money hand over fist.

Stop muzzling the ox as it treads the field.

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You do realize that it says you cannot monetize through youtube or other sites that have certain programs but it doesn't say you can't monetize in other ways right? All this says is you cannot charge for views in any way, shape or form. What you still can do is ask for donations. You can still "make money" off of videos. Just not directly. Honestly, the rule about not adding third party music to videos is far worse and harsher than not allowing certain forms of monetization.

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Originally Posted by mmcsky

I am sorry, I guess because I do not "scrape" income off just one thing I cannot relate.

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I feel sorry for you then. God bless you.

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Originally Posted by Spy

OP, you should probably include Totalbiscuits new video in the OP to show people what the reality of the situation of this is. Here's a link to his video: (This is why I love Totalbiscuit)

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Watched video, listened to that guy's comments about it... found out that I couldn't care less. I didn't realize there were so many people that made money off of video's about video games. Oh well, there are plenty of other games out there they can make money off of.

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Originally Posted by mmcsky

Main thing is, under the law you are stealing, no matter how poor you may be (though affording internet and a gaming computer makes me doubt that) it is not excuse to break the law.

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This doesn't just affect those people. There are people under Youtube partnerships like Polaris that were planning on covering the game - they have legal agreements with game publishers to use footage from their games in videos, LEGALLY, and they are all railing against this Materials Usage Agreement because it supercedes those existing agreements and that makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Eamil

This doesn't just affect those people. There are people under Youtube partnerships like Polaris that were planning on covering the game - they have legal agreements with game publishers to use footage from their games in videos, LEGALLY, and they are all railing against this Materials Usage Agreement because it supercedes those existing agreements and that makes no sense.

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If SE is breaking contract, they shooting themselves in the foot, time will tell if their move was correct on their part.

You can't claim the intellectual property or its derivatives as your own if the intent is to monetize(MAKE MONEY) off said intellectual property. Its a very simple concept to understand. Everyone that's had a somewhat decent education should have learned in secondary school about not plagiarizing or copying the works of others without giving proper citations or credit to the original creator.

There is no originality in monetizing off the hard work of someone else. Regardless of how good the person is at making videos or the "free advertising". What company in their right mind would let someone else profit off their product they worked so hard to create? It's SE's creation and they make the rules on how it can be used and they have clearly stated that.

If you fail to understand that then you deserve to get DMCA'd or Sued for copyright infringement.

Oh noes!! You mean people can't play this video game and record themselves in order to put on youtube as a means of employment? What ever shall they do??

Oh wait...
http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbvie...ant-worker.jpg

*edit* and yes, that's my a**hole comment of the day...

So sega, nintendo, and now you square enix ? I can understand why they are doing this (it's their ip after all make a lot of senses) but is it worth it ? Look at what happen to sega and nintendo square enix and learn from them.

Let me get this straight: The OP and some others got mad because they can't use something they didn't make, aren't sponsored by, and has copyrights and go make money off of it doing "Promotional Videos"? My brain hurt from trying to figure out where this would be considered ok. I'm sorry but from a business standpoint I would bring the legal hammer down on anybody that took something I made for the sake of making money and then turned around and are making money on it without asking me or complying with a ToS. And if YT is your primary means of financial stability then you have some bigger issues. But seeing as how I don't want to be completely negative on the subject you can always try Twitch. At least there if you're good enough the masses will watch. And if you get enough people watching and following you then you MAY get a subscription button.

LOL...is this thread legit? I don't even...

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Originally Posted by Eamil

This doesn't just affect those people. There are people under Youtube partnerships like Polaris that were planning on covering the game - they have legal agreements with game publishers to use footage from their games in videos, LEGALLY, and they are all railing against this Materials Usage Agreement because it supercedes those existing agreements and that makes no sense.

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It's highly doubtfull that some Youtube dude has a legal agreement about this with SE. Source or it's another person spouting BS cause he is butthurt.

What is so hard to understand that you are not allowed to make money off someone else work. They are nothing else than cheap leechers that are butthurt now...

No you do not get to make money off of SE. You did not get a license agreement. Imagine if someone started making video's off of characters and concepts you created and started making money off of it. It's not right. That is why copyright laws exist. Fair use laws state that you can make derivative works as long as you don't make money off of it. The second you make a profit is the second they can pull you down. I would have done it.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

It's highly doubtfull that some Youtube dude has a legal agreement about this with SE. Source or it's another person spouting BS cause he is butthurt.

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If by "some Youtube dude" you mean entire companies dedicated to making and monetizing content on Youtube, yes, that's exactly what happens.

Youtube has what are called multi-channel networks. In case you don't actually feel like reading the source, the gist of it is a network enters into partnerships with individual Youtube channels, and the network handles the legal side of content production - in this case, securing agreements with game publishers to allow content producers to use and monetize footage from their games - so that the channels can legally monetize their work.

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Originally Posted by Draven

Did I say people can't make videos? No. I quoted exactly what the issue is.

Regardless of your opinion about the YouTube video making community, the point is, ARR will not get nearly the coverage it could have gotten because of this policy in regards to monetization on YouTube. SE isn't in the business of charity and neither are most big YouTubers.

Like I said, it's free promotion that SE doesn't have to pay for, why deny them monetization? They aren't paying for any of it? But they will in a negative way now.

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sounds like a "if we can't make money from it neither can you" type situation, Dunno what SE's problem with it is :x it doesn't hurt them and if anything....it increases subscriptions and...helps pay for continued subscriptions >.>; Draven, if you find a way around this i say go you :D

Square this is pretty dumb. Youtubers post content that most of us use. Whether it be content guides, macro videos, etc, this content drives viewers to play the games. Which in turn generates you with more money, more subscribers, etc. It is nothing less than a win/win situation for all parties involved. Stopping this seems arbitrary at best, beyond stupid at worst. The game is great, I've loved every minute of it, but between the server problems and this, this just is bad. I do hope you reconsider.

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Originally Posted by GilbertLapine

Totally agree. Also, depending on the scope of their 'monetization' definition, twitch is out, too. Support player content like this is one of the major factors that has kept WoW functioning as long as it has.

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I'm guessing you mean the PvP videos, arena tournament coverage and guides from sites like tankspot. Not mentioning entertainment via the machinima guys (like the dude that won the Rise to Power contest and some of the honorary mentions), the guys that make music videos, and random things (some of them monetize, some take donations, some are part of larger sites with subscriber benefits).

People defending Square right now are hardcore drones. Hardcore.