Petition: for Imperial Invasion event

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come. The constant feedback from the item team that the abysmal drop rates throughout the game are "a-ok" is the single most worrisome thing heading into ARR. I'm fairly certain the only people who would continue playing ARR if everything still takes a ridiculous amount of time and mostly just plain dumb luck (rather than skill) would be a subset of the ones currently suffering through 1.x. Probably a pretty small one unless this mentality becomes a relic of the "old game", and the item team stops feeling that the players need to hate themselves for suffering through this kind of nonsense to get anything, be it of value or not.

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There are those of us who plan on playing the game for years to come regardless of how good it is, but SE needs to realize that if it's still a bad game it will keep us from recommending it to others. I ultimately stopped recommending XI to others because it was a huge time sink before Abyssea and a pathetic shadow of its former self after Abyssea. Word of mouth is worth a lot more than any trailer.

I completely agree, Hiruke. If enough fans say "this is not fun, please make a SMALL change to make it fun", why don't the devs listen? They should know that paying customers don't like being ignored.

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Use your head people..the game is going off line in a matter of weeks, they're focusing on the relaunch right now so there's literally no need to adjust something that will cease to exist very soon.

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In this particular case, you have a point. Let's just hope that they've learned from this experience. Even with the whole party aware that killing the elites when they go unclaimed does not result in drops, my party yesterday went for about 5 rounds with the Elite group and never got a hat. It's simply too glitchy. Sometimes their names stayed red even after they were technically unclaimed and standing idle.

Well it was worth trying, I guess the team feels no need in spending some minutes in adjusting the rate, so it is up to us to start bribing players to come help us get the hats... I will keep trying my luck and maybe I get the hats, maybe I don't, hopefully next time they plan the events better, cannot have a event with a super low drop rate, that is meant to be done as a alliance with more than one party (sure it can be done with one by "cheating" the system") and the drop is far from being fair to all allied parties.

Good luck to all who will keep trying, and thank you for the feedback (positive or negative).

I dunno how much I can support this feeling of angst from most of you. I do agree that SE drop rate on a lot of items tends to be piss-poor. I do think that skill based drops vs time/endurance/quantity-of-kills based drops needs to be adjusted. Id rather not get an item cause im not good enough rather than I'm not lucky enough or didn't put in enough time. In other words Id rather a mob, NM, dungeon, be more difficult with a higher drop rate than the same be easy with a low drop rate.

To throw the curve I would like to add however I can in no way complain about the drop rate of these hats. In roughly 6 hours of farming (2hrs + 4hrs) across two different invasions I witnessed 7 tricornes and 3 hats drop. Sadly my rolls were not enough enough (i had my 89 beat by a 94 >.>) Maybe it was freak luck? Until I throw in 2-4 hours of farming and not a single drop I cant really complain.

Areas farmed in were Coerthas and Thanalan. Had 5 tricornes and 2 hats drop in Coerthas (2hours). 2 tricornes and 1 hat drop in Thanalan (4 hours).

Not sure if our LS just had good luck one night but, we had hat drops for everyone in our PT minus one and they got theirs the next day. So unless something has changed, the drop rate for this event is better than any other. Usually, I'm all about a slightly better rate but in this post I'll have to disagree and wish you luck. :)

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Originally Posted by Geesus

Not sure if our LS just had good luck one night but, we had hat drops for everyone in our PT minus one and they got theirs the next day. So unless something has changed, the drop rate for this event is better than any other. Usually, I'm all about a slightly better rate but in this post I'll have to disagree and wish you luck. :)

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Could be a change, but you have to be careful with that blanket statement. RNG is RNG.

You can flip a coin and get heads 10 times in a row and then one time it takes 1,000 tries.

Until they make a better loot system you dont really know its a good drop rate by that case alone.

So, just because it was kind to you doesnt mean its cool to say screw everyone else it was perfect for me.


(The inverse could be said, I've farmed it 12 group kills no drops - so its not that awesome).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Could be a change, but you have to be careful with that blanket statement. RNG is RNG.

You can flip a coin and get heads 10 times in a row and then one time it takes 1,000 tries.

Until they make a better loot system you dont really know its a good drop rate by that case alone.

So, just because it was kind to you doesnt mean its cool to say screw everyone else it was perfect for me.

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Like I said, maybe it was just us for once scoring big. lol Not really a "blanket" statement as one of fact for our LS; not speaking for anyone else. ;)

And wow, pretty sure I didn't say screw anyone else.

On the other hand, nice to know that there are still some in this community that like to put words in others mouths and are straight assholes. :D

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Originally Posted by Geesus

Like I said, maybe it was just us for once scoring big. lol Not really a "blanket" statement as one of fact for our LS; not speaking for anyone else. ;)

And wow, pretty sure I didn't say screw anyone else.

On the other hand, nice to know that there are still some in this community that like to put words in others mouths and are straight assholes. :D

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Nice to see people in the community thinks smile faces means they are a nice person instead of a straight asshole :).

Yes I was being liberal in the quote "I'm going to have to say no" in really rough translation is screw everyone else I got what I wanted and at good speed. As that is what you said.

There is a difference between adding meaning, and just retooling the words with same meaning.

Im from Gungnir Server, already have my 2 hats, i be camping and forming groups for who still needs them and makin a list to keep it going, helpin aleviate the stress behind this quest for everyone, if you need people for it, sent me a /tell in game and will add your name to a list, for when event be up i will call you up and form group for this.

What makes some of you think there WON'T be similar hats to be found at the launch of ARR?

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Originally Posted by Rubicon

What makes some of you think there WON'T be similar hats to be found at the launch of ARR?

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Well..unless ARR starts with Garleans invading..I don't see why there would even be alternatives at the launch, let alone something in the same category.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Well..unless ARR starts with Garleans invading..I don't see why there would even be alternatives at the launch, let alone something in the same category.

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We know the imperial dalmatica (from Castrum Novum) will be in 2.0 (obtainable). Also Yoshi said the imperial presence isnt all gone. It really is possible for the hats to be present as well.

(Its also really possible they wont be.. lol)

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Originally Posted by Shougun

We know the imperial dalmatica (from Castrum Novum) will be in 2.0 (obtainable). Also Yoshi said the imperial presence isnt all gone. It really is possible for the hats to be present as well.

(Its also really possible they wont be.. lol)

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Yeah its a 50/50

spent 16hours doing it yesterday, every 1 or 2 kills people leave and new people need to be replaced. and ...i got no hat while some people join for 1 or 2 runs and get a drop land on them first time. from morning till i was about to pass out i was doing them too>< i don't mind the drop rate but lol, we need dkp for stuff like this and the game ain't build for dkp at the moment.

number wise i did see about 3-4 tricons and 4-6mage hats fall in those 16hours though. my hope for one got lower and lower every set killed though lol. such a low drop rate and people who get drops have no reason to stay after. makes pugs a pain. i would agree i would rather solo my luck, 16hours of me solo'ing or even a few days of that for all i care at least i know i would for sure get one. the grouping method is way too much luck for a 1% drop rate. i mean people that didn't even know what the hat was b4 joining get there free port into group and lol, bam and then happen to have to go after one more run ...just to not look like a total douche. ..really dunno what SE is thinking. i was someone who collected and was there everyday for my ls to get about 20 joyeuse's back in ffxi days, you get one you stay till everyone gets one. that's how i roll ...these new mmo's are take and run methods/luck methods are bs. gimme back my dkp days lol and again i personally love the drop rate, i hate how anyone can be in front of the line for the drops though. /end rant. i'll take a breather and try again 2morrow ..maybe.

Welcome to 2.0 we will still have crap drop rates & the game has failed & the development team was to blame.

Can so see this happening. clearly they need to play the game so they can see how bad & stupid there making things.

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Originally Posted by prymortal

Can so see this happening. clearly they need to play the game so they can see how bad & stupid there making things.

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If they didn't play the game none of the patches they released would have done anything to the game. I bet you've unlocked the jobs when they introduced the job system for the game the developers doesn't play >.>.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

If they didn't play the game none of the patches they released would have done anything to the game. I bet you've unlocked the jobs when they introduced the job system for the game the developers doesn't play >.>.

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Heh They could be playing the game in ultra-god mode where the droops are more than 1%. Then again, they might even have the loot table turned on when they are working on other issues. Hard to say. I would be interested in a Dev explanation on that one.

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Originally Posted by Apricoth

Heh They could be playing the game in ultra-god mode where the droops are more than 1%. Then again, they might even have the loot table turned on when they are working on other issues. Hard to say. I would be interested in a Dev explanation on that one.

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Considering their loot table practices on the XI test server (everything drops a crystal rather than true drops initially) they probably only have placeholder items in the loot table but scaled back the drop rates to keep people busy/playing which I think most people shoulda figured out by now xD

i still hope that crystal towers has lots of kick arse gear with these types of drop rates. 25man events with no lock outs, hopefully it's not even instanced but it probably is. but that is a different topic all together but thought it was fitting as we talking about drop rates. the drop rates are fine. the problem is linkshells not all working together, most runs are pugs that leave every 1 or 2 kills. or just that most are straight out lazy or used to the casual give us everything on a platter gameplay. though the strategy for this fight is kinda anoying. and can't wait for real tactics tied up to things like this, i could imagine a sky like endgame working awesome in this game. wink wink SE devs if you read this stuff lol.

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Originally Posted by strallaalaa

spent 16hours doing it yesterday, every 1 or 2 kills people leave and new people need to be replaced. and ...i got no hat while some people join for 1 or 2 runs and get a drop land on them first time. from morning till i was about to pass out i was doing them too>< i don't mind the drop rate but lol, we need dkp for stuff like this and the game ain't build for dkp at the moment.

number wise i did see about 3-4 tricons and 4-6mage hats fall in those 16hours though. my hope for one got lower and lower every set killed though lol. such a low drop rate and people who get drops have no reason to stay after. makes pugs a pain. i would agree i would rather solo my luck, 16hours of me solo'ing or even a few days of that for all i care at least i know i would for sure get one. the grouping method is way too much luck for a 1% drop rate. i mean people that didn't even know what the hat was b4 joining get there free port into group and lol, bam and then happen to have to go after one more run ...just to not look like a total douche. ..really dunno what SE is thinking. i was someone who collected and was there everyday for my ls to get about 20 joyeuse's back in ffxi days, you get one you stay till everyone gets one. that's how i roll ...these new mmo's are take and run methods/luck methods are bs. gimme back my dkp days lol and again i personally love the drop rate, i hate how anyone can be in front of the line for the drops though. /end rant. i'll take a breather and try again 2morrow ..maybe.

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Good luck on your quest for the hats. I finally got both of mine after doing this every opportunity.

All I want at this point is to kill them properly, since no group ever wants to do that.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

We all pay for the same game, it shouldn't be rewarded to people who can invest more time in a game or to people that are extremely lucky.

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True. When new items are released they should be mailed to all players since we all pay the same subscription fees. Or place them in our mog houses or on a special retainer so we can pick them up whenever we need to.

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Originally Posted by Vindrax

True. When new items are released they should be mailed to all players since we all pay the same subscription fees. Or place them in our mog houses or on a special retainer so we can pick them up whenever we need to.

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I'm saying that in a logical sense, some things I understand need time to get. Relics (minus the RNG parts of it) and leveling are two of the many that make sense.

I'm talking about events in a game that only last a specified set of time like this one. Don't try and turn my statement on me. I know what I'm talking about and plenty of people will agree with me.

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Originally Posted by prymortal

Welcome to 2.0 we will still have crap drop rates & the game has failed & the development team was to blame.

Can so see this happening. clearly they need to play the game so they can see how bad & stupid there making things.

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Can I hijack this thread to comment about your signature? Its relic man, of course its gonna be a time sink.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Can I hijack this thread to comment about your signature? Its relic man, of course its gonna be a time sink.

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I dont think relic should be easy - but the generic RNG timesink can gtfo.

Some are lucky (get the seals 5 tries) and others just bought out the seals. Then you have the ones that have gone in multiples (into the hundreds) of everyone because of serious unlucky drops and randoms.

Something more predictable for everyone would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I dont think relic should be easy - but the generic RNG timesink can gtfo.

Some are lucky (get the seals 5 tries) and others just bought out the seals. Then you have the ones that have gone in multiples (into the hundreds) of everyone because of serious unlucky drops and randoms.

Something more predictable for everyone would be appreciated.

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I can see what you're saying, but I'd prefer dealing with RNG than having to collect currency from a double alliance event
for an year

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Originally Posted by Majidah

I can see what you're saying, but I'd prefer dealing with RNG than having to collect currency from a double alliance event
for an year

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lol XD

Was it just a year? >.> lol


I get that too :P, what I would like is for them to calculate how much work they want it to take - and then make it take that work ( or at least hard cap the maximum amount of drop failures ). Right now its all over the place.

-Sounds- like this will be addressed in 2.0, but we've only had a small glimpse at what they are thinking of doing.

Huh, the drop rate was so much better this time. If you get a party that understands when something is and isn't claimed, the hats drop much more quickly.

well one tricorne did drop after killing 3 sets of magitek+imperials, so I dont know, I guess you just need people wanting to do it which seems less and less, and also being lucky that you dont get up having competing parties taking claim from your party.

I will keep trying, got the operative hat, just need a tricorne...

And to make it clear, I am not complaining about the low drop rate, it doesn't bother me if it is content that wont be gone in less than a month. I just think that a limited time event should be a little bit easier, that is all. Every event has been quite easy and accessible to every level/class. This one isn't at all.

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Originally Posted by Seyra

I think Camate was too subtil but what I understand is that these items will be available even in 2.0 since they are not on the list they provided and according to this response.

Thus the "There is still a good amount of time to keep trying." following "don't panic!".
The Imperium won't disappear, only the way to get the items may be different.

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It is on the list

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Items to Become Unobtainable
The following items will become unobtainable:

• Dated items
• Weathered gear
  * Weathered weapons and tools will remain obtainable.
• Items obtained through seasonal events
• Rewards for achievements that will become unattainable in FFXIV: ARR, such as the Dalamud horn
• Items obtained through events associated with the coming of the Seventh Umbral Era, such as over-aspected clusters

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Originally Posted by Felis

It is on the list

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Sort of :/

Primals are related to the umbral era and yet we know for a fact they persist.

We also know that garleans will still be around in 2.0.

Definitely that bolded part you have suggests against, but SE has set precedence for as well. (Nor does it make sense a hat that elite troopers wear would magically disappear from all ranks once a meteor hits... so.. :/)

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Originally Posted by prymortal

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Lol, mad baby penguin! He loose his milky bottle :P