Cosmic Exploration is Bad

Was lazy due work and stuff... but finally finished the first tool today... dunno if im doing one more. by the time i could need it i can make better ones and the upgrade comes too late to be of any use for that patch lol

Towards the end it got less bad and progress felt nice, but it still was kinda... boring? Like would it hurt to get a few more fates? Some of the stuff sucked, i needed the finished tool to get gold and despite having done one fully, i still miss some missions.. idk how i never saw em lol

Hey bud have you figured out what patience II and ambitious lure does yet?

That's oddly impressive. I was with gear 580 (620 set from Endwalker + Spear) and I managed to get Gold on almost every quest except A. Not only that I was getting 4 levels minimum each 2h.

You accomplished something here.

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Originally Posted by OMGJesuis66

That's oddly impressive. I was with gear 580 (620 set from Endwalker + Spear) and I managed to get Gold on almost every quest except A. Not only that I was getting 4 levels minimum each 2h.

You accomplished something here.

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B to A is a huge jump. Could easily get gold on EW purple script without any meld on B rank. I could barely get silver with DT orange script on A rank

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

And people wonder why devs never listen and read forums.. yikes

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At this stage of forum. Yeah, thank god they not taking this forum seriously. It is always a war zone between the two groups of players.

An in game survey would probably be the best method of gathering player feedbacks

The things i think are really BAD:

Can't use Mounts.
Using Transportation closes the UI.
The UI is clunky to use and blocks the entire screen to start missions.
GP Regeneration is way too slow.

+it is really hard to read the quest text on the bright background of the zone.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

The things i think are really BAD:

Can't use Mounts.
Using Transportation closes the UI.
The UI is clunky to use and blocks the entire screen to start missions.
GP Regeneration is way too slow.

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I am having GP issue with A rank gathering. To get gold I have full GP with a Cordial ready. Then 2-3 minute idle waiting for GP and Cordial CD.
The idling is not fun.

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Originally Posted by Ekymus

Are you on dr*gs? I AM a casual player and I can NOT engage with Cosmic Exploration in its current state. It SUCKS because I can't use it to effectively level the one gatherer I actually like playing.

It shouldn't take my 2 days to get a level and a half in fisher because I fail at almost every mission repeatedly because they're only meant for omni-crafter/gatherers to actually do. That's not f*cking "casual", that's a hardcore Savage tier grind, and it sucks.

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Serious question: If Fisher is the one (gatherer) class you actually like playing, why did it take you almost 10 months to level it from 90 to 96?

Besides that I have to admit that Fisher is the worst to do the missions with.

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

I am having GP issue with A rank gathering. To get gold I have full GP with a Cordial ready. Then 2-3 minute idle waiting for GP and Cordial CD.
The idling is not fun.

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there is no reason to only farm A ranks, get enough level IV point to upgrade your relic and then do B missions.

I quite liked the fisher cosmic exploration things. Most of the timings were distinct enough to be able to blind th on gut and the small puzzle aspect was overall pretty approachable while clearly being intended for a specific combination of skills - the 18 caught fish one, overlap slaps with two types of bait feat. lures and so on. I ended up scribbling some timings down on a bit of paper for specific missions but really I expect there will be a community-made database circulating shortly.

I haven’t bothered with the crafters because my gear is abysmal, but the other two gatherers have largely been fine too. I think I missed something with one of the collectible ones, but since I still have 560 accessories it may well be a gear issue.

As a qol, it would be nice to have some form of gp reset, if only as compensation for erasing my angler’s art stacks upon completion. It seems unintentional to incentivise doing lower level missions, but even some of those are rather gp hungry.

Overall despite it not gripping me the way ishgard restoration did I’ve enjoyed it well enough and looking forward to the next instalment. It’s a bit harder to write a positive review and have it seem sincere.

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Originally Posted by ACE135

Serious question: If Fisher is the one (gatherer) class you actually like playing, why did it take you almost 10 months to level it from 90 to 96?

Besides that I have to admit that Fisher is the worst to do the missions with.

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Because real life happens. Whether it took me 10 months or 10 years what's it matter? I fully admit I'm a casual player. Cosmic Exploration was supposed to be for casual players to level crafters and gatherers. It's not. It's a really bad experience and some of the worst content in the game.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Hey bud have you figured out what patience II and ambitious lure does yet?

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Hey jack@ss, I know how to play the class. Cosmic Exploration just sucks and is really bad content for gatherers. Even Mr. Happy has come out and said that gatherers are really bad to play in Cosmic Exploration and Fishers are particularly bad, but if you play a crafter, it's some of the easiest content in the game.

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Originally Posted by Ekymus

Because real life happens. Whether it took me 10 months or 10 years what's it matter? I fully admit I'm a casual player. Cosmic Exploration was supposed to be for casual players to level crafters and gatherers. It's not. It's a really bad experience and some of the worst content in the game.

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Cosmic is for everything. It’s one way to level the gatherers, if you don’t like it you can also do collectibles or custom deliveries or anything else. It is also high level challenge content and mid tier farming content

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Originally Posted by Ekymus

Hey jack@ss, I know how to play the class. Cosmic Exploration just sucks and is really bad content for gatherers. Even Mr. Happy has come out and said that gatherers are really bad to play in Cosmic Exploration and Fishers are particularly bad, but if you play a crafter, it's some of the easiest content in the game.

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So is that a yes or a no? Patience II vastly increases the chances of catching a large size fish (many missions base point gain on size of fish) while ambitious lure help steer your catch towards large mouthed fish (those !! catches, while ! catches are small mouthed fish). These skills together are imperative to the class and if you knew how to use them even A-rank missions should be fine.

And Mr. Happy's a person with an opinion. Gatherers are much better than crafters when it comes to red alert missions so I have a feeling he's just ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

there is no reason to only farm A ranks, get enough level IV point to upgrade your relic and then do B missions.

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IV is what I am missing but I change my approach
I just switch to crafter while the cordial on CD.
Probably the best way of me as I have short play time during weekday.
Just hope we could buy some “cosmic cordial” in the future patch

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Originally Posted by hydralus

So is that a yes or a no? Patience II vastly increases the chances of catching a large size fish (many missions base point gain on size of fish) while ambitious lure help steer your catch towards large mouthed fish (those !! catches, while ! catches are small mouthed fish). These skills together are imperative to the class and if you knew how to use them even A-rank missions should be fine.

And Mr. Happy's a person with an opinion. Gatherers are much better than crafters when it comes to red alert missions so I have a feeling he's just ignorant.

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Bro i hope square pays something to people like you on forums.

I don't need to know what mr happy said about fisher, i did miner and botanist and they both suck vs crafter.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

Bro i hope square pays something to people like you on forums.

I don't need to know what mr happy said about fisher, i did miner and botanist and they both suck vs crafter.

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And fishing isn’t like mining or botanist so what’s your point

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Cosmic is for everything. It’s one way to level the gatherers, if you don’t like it you can also do collectibles or custom deliveries or anything else. It is also high level challenge content and mid tier farming content

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You are wrong. Cosmic Exploration is bad content for gatherers. If you don't think so, that's on you for not understanding how bad it is. But you need to stop gaslighting and pretending like this is the best content ever created.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

So is that a yes or a no? Patience II vastly increases the chances of catching a large size fish (many missions base point gain on size of fish) while ambitious lure help steer your catch towards large mouthed fish (those !! catches, while ! catches are small mouthed fish). These skills together are imperative to the class and if you knew how to use them even A-rank missions should be fine.

And Mr. Happy's a person with an opinion. Gatherers are much better than crafters when it comes to red alert missions so I have a feeling he's just ignorant.

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Again, I know how to play the class, also, I'm not level 100 yet because I'm not getting any xp from anything I fail at in Cosmic Exploration so I don't have Ambitious yet. But you'd know that if you knew how to play the class. Cosmic Exploration sucks, and is NOT good for anyone but crafters.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

Bro i hope square pays something to people like you on forums.

I don't need to know what mr happy said about fisher, i did miner and botanist and they both suck vs crafter.

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I also tried miner for a red alert... I failed and didn't get any xp for that either, but my miner is only in the 20s or something like that. And Mr. Happy said both Miner and Botinist are in the same or similar boat to fisher.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

And fishing isn’t like mining or botanist so what’s your point

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Perhaps you need to learn to read and comprehend better.

The point is, gathering sucks to do in Cosmic Exploration, fishing is particularly bad, miner and botanist are also unpleasant and not any fun to play in that content.

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Originally Posted by Ekymus

You are wrong. Cosmic Exploration is bad content for gatherers. If you don't think so, that's on you for not understanding how bad it is. But you need to stop gaslighting and pretending like this is the best content ever created.

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Would it be considered RMT to say I will pay you to understand that just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it bad content

Nor am I liable to give your opinion much weight on the subject considering you are struggling with such low level missions with no gear justification that at this point it’s not the content’s fault. We are at the point of a cure 1 spammer and a no mitigation/healing tank blaming the content for wiping in a dungeon

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Originally Posted by Ekymus

Perhaps you need to learn to read and comprehend better.

The point is, gathering sucks to do in Cosmic Exploration, fishing is particularly bad, miner and botanist are also unpleasant and not any fun to play in that content.

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That had nothing to do with the point that person was making, they were acting like you could extrapolate your experiences in BTN to FSH

Because there is 8 crafters and only 3 gatherers they compensate by making the gatherers take 3 times as long. It's obnoxiously long.

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Originally Posted by Doki

Because there is 8 crafters and only 3 gatherers they compensate by making the gatherers take 3 times as long. It's obnoxiously long.

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Which is pretty much entirely down to how GP works, an actual valid issue.
It doesn't take that long because it's so difficult, it's because you spend at least half the time standing around doing nothing.

Yeah GP not restoring combined with it requiring longer by default is a legit problem

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Which is pretty much entirely down to how GP works, an actual valid issue.
It doesn't take that long because it's so difficult, it's because you spend at least half the time standing around doing nothing.

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Just hope we could buy some “Cosmic Cordial” that don’t share CD with normal Cordial and Hi-Cordial.
Now I do 1-2 gathering quest switch to crafter run a few quest while GP recover and Cordial CD finish and switch back to DoL. kind of fiddly, better than just sitting idle

This thread title and its OP are bad faith actors throwing a tantrum that the content is bad because it didn't meet their expectation of a leveling experience. They embody every aspect of the toxic casual within FFXIV: having rebuffed initial attempts to provide assistance, perpetuated an agenda that content does not cater to their below-average playtime and ability, and ignored all valid arguments by claiming personal knowledge far beyond their actual experience with the game, all while being actively hostile.

There are other threads with valid criticisms and discussions about Cosmic Exploration. Stop feeding this troll.

I have to say OP, you're the most hostile and aggressive FSH main I've met so far here :v

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Yeah GP not restoring combined with it requiring longer by default is a legit problem

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I can get behind them restoring GP (or as another commenter suggested, having random lops in the area give you a +GP restore buff like the elementals in Eureka.)

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Would it be considered RMT to say I will pay you to understand that just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it bad content

Nor am I liable to give your opinion much weight on the subject considering you are struggling with such low level missions with no gear justification that at this point it’s not the content’s fault. We are at the point of a cure 1 spammer and a no mitigation/healing tank blaming the content for wiping in a dungeon



That had nothing to do with the point that person was making, they were acting like you could extrapolate your experiences in BTN to FSH

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You need to pull your head out of the sand kiddo.

There are people on these forums besides me complaining about the gathering side of Cosmic Explorations. There are streamers complaining about it. There are Reddit posts complaining about it.And they're almost all saying the same thing, Cosmic Exploration is messed up for gatherers.

I get it, you have no personality other than white knighting for a game you play, but Cosmic Exploration is BAD content for gatherers. And I've heard and seen more than a few botanists complaining about the content as well.

It's you and like 4 other people who are defending the dumpster fire that is gathering in Cosmic Explorations. You are in the minority and you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

I have to say OP, you're the most hostile and aggressive FSH main I've met so far here :v

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You obviously have not met me when I was doing “So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish” the moment I finally get !!! for the third time when all the star aligned, weather was right and “the fish get away” XD

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Originally Posted by ShadowNyx3

This thread title and its OP are bad faith actors throwing a tantrum that the content is bad because it didn't meet their expectation of a leveling experience. They embody every aspect of the toxic casual within FFXIV: having rebuffed initial attempts to provide assistance, perpetuated an agenda that content does not cater to their below-average playtime and ability, and ignored all valid arguments by claiming personal knowledge far beyond their actual experience with the game, all while being actively hostile.

There are other threads with valid criticisms and discussions about Cosmic Exploration. Stop feeding this troll.

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Wow, look at this word salad. Did you do this yourself or get ChatGPT to write it for you?

For starters, I'm not acting in "Bad Faith" and there has been zero help offered in this thread to me or anyone other than, "well crafting is really easy so you must be playing fisher wrong, git gud".

I admit I'm a casual player, I'm sorry if you see casual players as toxic, but that's entirely a "you" problem. Casual players like me are what keep the game alive and growing. Just because I don't do Ultimates and Savages, doesn't mean I don't have the right to complain about the game when I see a problem and it doesn't mean I'm not competent, or *gasp* dare I say even good, at the jobs I do choose to play.

As to my playtime, I used to play around 20 hours a week, but honestly, Cosmic Explorations is so bad, I haven't wanted to log into the game for the last several days. But I guess we all can't be kids living at home in your parent's basement, unemployed, and be able to play 80+ hours a week or whatever you consider the "proper" average amount of time playing.

And if I'm actively hostile to knobbers like you, it's because I reply with the same energy that you did. Don't start something you can't finish.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

I have to say OP, you're the most hostile and aggressive FSH main I've met so far here :v

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I fish, both in games and in real life, to relax and enjoy the scenery. I've had less stress and frustration fishing in games like Warframe than I did in Cosmic Explorations.

Maybe if the content didn't suck and I was able to fish like I had wanted to I wouldn't be disappointed in the game or how this aspect has been handled.

And if you think I'm "hostile", you should probably avoid Reddit, there are people on there complaining about Cosmic Explorations that would probably make you break down and cry with what they have to say about it.

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Originally Posted by Ekymus

You need to pull your head out of the sand kiddo.

There are people on these forums besides me complaining about the gathering side of Cosmic Explorations. There are streamers complaining about it. There are Reddit posts complaining about it.And they're almost all saying the same thing, Cosmic Exploration is messed up for gatherers.

I get it, you have no personality other than white knighting for a game you play, but Cosmic Exploration is BAD content for gatherers. And I've heard and seen more than a few botanists complaining about the content as well.

It's you and like 4 other people who are defending the dumpster fire that is gathering in Cosmic Explorations. You are in the minority and you are wrong.

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I need to take a screenshot of this, me being called a white knight. This is just next level

And if you actually read you’d understand that few people actually disagree with proper actionable criticism on the front of gatherers. Things such as GP not restoring, or cordials being too weak with too long CD’s, same as criticism around the problem that aetherial reduction takes time in a limited time spam. It’s just that gets mixed up with people making criticisms that amount to “I don’t understand the content” or “my gear is too weak” and they think that since other people are making valid criticisms then theirs are as well. 99% of complaints that aren’t “GP doesn’t restore” amount to “I can’t read” like people who wonder why they aren’t getting any points on a mission that gives points for triggering gatherers boon or weak gear; like people who constantly complain that they can’t gold rank A3 experts with orange scrip gear macros

Your complaints basically centre on you being unable to do absolutely basic missions for reasons you will not explain to us despite other people doing harder missions with weaker gear than you and then going “see since x person made y (valid complaint) my complaint that makes zero sense and you won’t substantiate is also totally valid” and then go “see so everyone has to hate the content”

Like you just called me a white knight, the forums number 1 hater of modern job design just because I’m telling you that “I don’t understand the content” isn’t a valid criticism unless your complaint is that the content is opaque in explaining crafting and gathering breakpoints which IS a valid criticism

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I need to take a screenshot of this, me being called a white knight. This is just next level

And if you actually read you’d understand that few people actually disagree with proper actionable criticism on the front of gatherers. Things such as GP not restoring, or cordials being too weak with too long CD’s, same as criticism around the problem that aetherial reduction takes time in a limited time spam. It’s just that gets mixed up with people making criticisms that amount to “I don’t understand the content” or “my gear is too weak” and they think that since other people are making valid criticisms then theirs are as well. 99% of complaints that aren’t “GP doesn’t restore” amount to “I can’t read” like people who wonder why they aren’t getting any points on a mission that gives points for triggering gatherers boon or weak gear; like people who constantly complain that they can’t gold rank A3 experts with orange scrip gear macros

Your complaints basically centre on you being unable to do absolutely basic missions for reasons you will not explain to us despite other people doing harder missions with weaker gear than you and then going “see since x person made y (valid complaint) my complaint that makes zero sense and you won’t substantiate is also totally valid” and then go “see so everyone has to hate the content”

Like you just called me a white knight, the forums number 1 hater of modern job design just because I’m telling you that “I don’t understand the content” isn’t a valid criticism unless your complaint is that the content is opaque in explaining crafting and gathering breakpoints which IS a valid criticism

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What part of "this is supposed to be leveling content, not just for max level pentamelded gatherers" do you not understand? This is why you're clearly white knighting for Cosmic Explorations. You only allow and approve of certain, specific, criticisms. But if that criticism falls outside your "approved list" you charge to the rescue and try your best to squash it.

It's really kind of pathetic.

You don't get to determine what is, or isn't, "valid criticism", especially when the same or similar criticisms are being voiced not just by me, but by a LOT of others, including hardcore players.

Cosmic Explorations is for anyone level 10 or higher. This was meant to be leveling content. As leveling content, you shouldn't need penta-melded BiS gear if you're below level 100, and even then, you shouldn't need it unless you're almost done with your relic.

Why do you even need a pentameld'd bis gear just to level? Many other have used worse gears to level just fine.

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Originally Posted by Ekymus

What part of "this is supposed to be leveling content, not just for max level pentamelded gatherers" do you not understand? This is why you're clearly white knighting for Cosmic Explorations. You only allow and approve of certain, specific, criticisms. But if that criticism falls outside your "approved list" you charge to the rescue and try your best to squash it.

It's really kind of pathetic.

You don't get to determine what is, or isn't, "valid criticism", especially when the same or similar criticisms are being voiced not just by me, but by a LOT of others, including hardcore players.

Cosmic Explorations is for anyone level 10 or higher. This was meant to be leveling content. As leveling content, you shouldn't need penta-melded BiS gear if you're below level 100, and even then, you shouldn't need it unless you're almost done with your relic.

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And you don’t need it unless you are doing something horribly wrong…….which you won’t explain to us especially if you are doing C and D ranks

It’s not hard to simulate low level crafters/gatherers by simply removing gear pieces to approximate old level ranges by their breakpoint; hell since they sync to 100 but you are wearing only half your gear simulating level 50 is actually harder than being true level 50. And these missions still aren’t hard (outside the A ranks but they ARE pentamelded content)

It’s obvious you are doing something wrong and people want (well wanted) to help you but you won’t explain your problem. What is your gear, what are your stats, what missions are you trying to do

Like I said if you believe that the levelling experience is opaque that’s a fully valid criticism, what isn’t valid is when people try to help you you just go “it’s bad it’s bad it’s bad” “why’s it bad” “it’s bad and I hate you”

Like everyone here besides you knows you are doing something wrong and people are trying to help you, wouldn’t actually getting help so you can do the content properly then form a reasonable complaint about how opaque the levelling experience is be a more productive use of your time

Or don’t, I’ll keep using cosmic as a materia farm and sell you the materia for a 300% markup, it makes no difference to me, anyone can check page 1 and see I opened this thread with a legit offer to try to help you that you instant rebuked then spent 13 pages shouting at everyone

I'm currently not a fan of the cosmic exploration from a DoL standpoint. If the ultimate goal is to allow you to level up and achieve a goal as a server, making it so the tasks from level 50 onward so punishing, what's the point? Color me super confused when I was a few ilvls below 690 (I'm a VERY casual gatherer/crafter) and it alerted me that my ilvl was lower than recommended for what's supposed to be level 50 tasks? Excuse me? And then as I do more talking if you aren't basically pentamelded you can forget even getting close to level 100 nodes. This makes me not even want to do it. It should have been done the way firmament was handled for rebuilding ishgard. That was fun. You weren't "punished" for not being a pentamelded omi-gatherer. This whole zone essentially is just for high level omi gatherers and crafters and locks out the casual player that may have stuck with it.
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I'm one of those penta-melded omni crafter/gatherers and this has been a challenge, I was struggling.
And then I decided to learn the game past using copy paste macro's from guides, looking up YouTube videos for fishing, joining the balance discord for information.

When it comes to fishing, that was the hardest of them all, though a breeze for non-penta'd friend of mine.

Should there just be no difficulty for people who have fully invested into their job to cater for the people who want to just casually do it ?

I honestly like the challenge, using macros all the time is boring and I'm having a fun time doing them, I have learned to use abilities in ways I never had before so this will help me in the future :3