Yoshida gives update on the benchmark/character creator

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

It's because of you and other folks that Dawntrail is most likely going to be delayed by 3-4 months with all of these demands. Just waiting for the announcement any day now.

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Chill. They might be open to all feedback but that doesn't mean they're going to do anything with all of it, that'd be impossible.

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Originally Posted by Berkilak

At least in my case, there was nothing added deliberately.

Here is my character as he is now:

https://i.imgur.com/D8VD2Al.png

Here he is in the benchmark:

https://i.imgur.com/UOK8eiP.png

I did choose some facepaint to give the eyes more of a "glow" - I did not, and would not, add eyeliner. It would pretty much contradict the whole aesthetic around the eyes I was attempting to create. But yeah, not a case of the makeup I added being too dark. It's dark makeup added baseline. And that's not something I'm a fan of.

To be clear, I love 99% of what they've done. But this was enough of a dealbreaker to have me come to the forums to complain about it.

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I apologize for not being clear, but this is what I meant. I should have specified "baked-in" makeup, in particular, has been added on or increased to a lot of races/genders, and that has been, thankfully, noted and criticized by many! I'm with you in thinking this is an unnecessary change, as there are already generally options to make a character's eyes pop out more by using contrast. I don't believe it's fair to make the more "natural" look impossible in turn. Like you, I also have characters that I feel this change affected negatively.

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Originally Posted by Scintilla

Far more like -

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Person 1: I have a problem.
Person 2: I have another problem
Person 3: I have a different problem
Person 4: I don't have a problem and, if it makes you feel any better, I quite like how your character looks now
Person 5: If you have a problem, try this: xxx
Person 1: Stop trying to help me, this doesn't work. You're dismissing my problems. I don't care what you think
Person 2: Don't feed the trolls, just ignore them
Person 5: What did I do?
Person 1: *Resort to insults*

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I'm sorry but this is incredibly disingenuous and simply warps a lot of what has been said.

1. Many people have tried many things. Shaders, lighting, different angles etc. etc. "Stop trying to help me" is just a strawman to infantilise a big chunk of the people who you disagree with by painting them as stubborn impulsive toddlers who put their hands over their ears while the wise and mature adult says "but have you tried this". When in reality many people have meticulously documented differences, tried many different settings and possess knowledge in areas like lighting effects and 3D modeling. Some have even gone so far as to data mine to prove certain things.

2. "I think your character looks nice" is also quite dismissive because it doesn't help anybody if someone else thinks a character looks nice. The player in question has to think their character looks nice. I also personally think a few benchmark characters look nicer according to my taste.
However telling them will most certainly not make them feel better. It might come across as pretty patronising if someone explains in detail why they are dissatisfied and what changes they have observed only to be hit with "Why do you complain, I think this is nice." when the broader context of the discussion is "It's not that bad/It's not there. You are exaggerating/you have rose-tinted glasses on". That is just another brand of "you are being irrational".
It can also come across like "Now your character looks better. If you like your old one then you have bad taste bc the old one is objectively worse."

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

It's because of you and other folks that Dawntrail is most likely going to be delayed by 3-4 months with all of these demands. Just waiting for the announcement any day now.

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This is not the take you think it is.

Criticism is important to address issues, the developers have noted they have wanted feedback from the start when they began showcasing the updates last year.

The alternative is we could've just gotten a real big ol' surprise when it hit retail with no ability to provide feedback and a heap of changes. Which do you think would be the easier situation to manage from a community and PR perspective, along with a workflow for the team point of view?

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I am going to be so upset if they end up delaying Dawntrail because of all of this. And don't mess with the female hrothgar. I made the perfect one with Face 4 and I don't want them to overly change anything.

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( Yeah, i know, some miss steps on characters doesn't make the game bad, but crying at a delay to fix things is pueril )

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Originally Posted by posona

This is heartening. I’ll continue sharing my concerns not addressed in the message. Afterall, it’s what he WANTS us to do, and has asked us to do everytime something new is implemented into the game. I’ve personally not seen anyone give feedback that isn’t constructive criticism, that would count as “doom and gloom”. We’re doing exactly what the devs want and we need to continue doing so. But we also need to temper our optimism. There’s no guarantee any changes will put things back to a state where we’re completely happy, and honestly that’s to be expected. I only wish I could contribute to the JP forum too, so I’d feel more confident about being heard (or could at least see if some of my unmentioned concerns are shared with that side of the playerbase).

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Some people have given successful feedback by using translators it seems. Apparently even google translate does an ok job in that regard. I don't know how well it works personally but apparently some of the auto-translated feedback still got a seizable amount of likes.

Here are some posts talking about it:
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Remember to keep posting feedback on things like changed eye and nose shapes, Moonie fangs and the eyeliner stuff.

Does SE plan on paying us? This crowdsourced quality assurance testing is going quite well for them.

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Originally Posted by Loggos

I'm sorry but this is incredibly disingenuous and simply warps a lot of what has been said.

1. Many people have tried many things. Shaders, lighting, different angles etc. etc. "Stop trying to help me" is just a strawman to infantilise a big chunk of the people who you disagree with by painting them as stubborn impulsive toddlers who put their hands over their ears while the wise and mature adult says "but have you tried this". When in reality many people have meticulously documented differences, tried many different settings and possess knowledge in areas like lighting effects and 3D moddeling. Some have even gone so far as to data mine to prove certain things."

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The thing is, I noted that stuff like eye-shines, hair shine, and lip shine worked in aetherial sea, but didn't work that well in the outside zones, which matches pretty much what Yoshi P said about the character creator lighting not being updated. The vast majority of the before/after shots we saw as the "apples to apples" were done in Ul'dah outside zone, and if that outside zone had lighting optimized for the old characters but not the new ones, it explains quite a few of the issues.

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Originally Posted by Loggos

Some people have given successful feedback by using translators it seems. Apparently even google translate does an ok job in that regard. I don't know how well it works personally but apparently some of the auto-translated feedback still got a seizable amount of likes.

Here are some posts talking about it:
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You do know they listen to the English forums too right? There’s no need to jump through hoops.

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Originally Posted by Loggos

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It very much doesn't. It certainly wouldn't be hard to find examples of exactly this, given that forum is full of it at the moment.

1. People have tried many things, it's true. But it continues to remain the case that at any mention of the word 'lighting' or any slight suggestion from a kind-hearted user trying to offer help (who for all we know may not have been closely following the very active threads to realise it's already been suggested in the past), they are instantly labelled as 'troll' and bombarded with posts on how their views and opinion is irrelevant - with this quickly descending to outright insults just a few posts later. Which is quite funny given that 'lighting' and 'shaders' are mentioned repeatedly throughout most of the benchmark update post... but that's diverging from the point of my response.

2. Does it fix the problem? No. Is it rude or offensive? Also no. It is a perfectly understandable way for someone to try to offer reassurance to someone who is clearly quite emotional about a current change. Whether it's the best way to phrase it is debatable, I admit. But it certainly doesn't warrant the far overblown responses they've received in return. It's solely patronizing because you interpret it as being patronizing. Intent matters and many of these comments were not made with negative intent in mind. Practically anything can be read an insult if the 'victim' interprets it that way. It still does not mean it was.

There is little surprise that even the most understanding and empathic posters have quickly lost what patience they had with some of the players here.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

The thing is, I noted that stuff like eye-shines, hair shine, and lip shine worked in aetherial sea, but didn't work that well in the outside zones, which matches pretty much what Yoshi P said about the character creator lighting not being updated. The vast majority of the before/after shots we saw as the "apples to apples" were done in Ul'dah outside zone, and if that outside zone had lighting optimized for the old characters but not the new ones, it explains quite a few of the issues.

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I'm not saying lighting has absolutely no influence on certain changes. Lighting is of course very powerful and I don't mean to dismiss that at all. But over the course of this discussion "you just have not tried xyz" has become a bit of a blanket statement towards many points of criticism even when people had already proven that their points of contention were in fact not caused by lighting (e.g., showing features had been remodeled) and that they had tried out the proposed solutions (shaders, lighting).

I was really happy to see the news post this morning. Will definitely be looking forward to the update.

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Originally Posted by Isurith

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...480/cover3.jpg

( Yeah, i know, some miss steps on characters doesn't make the game bad, but crying at a delay to fix things is pueril )

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Poor Miyamoto. Even after the day he passes away people will continue to repeat that quote he never actually said.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Poor Miyamoto. Even after the day he passes away people will continue to repeat that quote he never actually said.

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That's a meme, my dude. Also he said a few times basically this, paraphrased, so even without that specific sentence being a meme, it's not far fetched.

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Originally Posted by Isurith

That's a meme, my dude. Also he said a few times basically this, paraphrased, so even without that specific sentence being a meme, it's not far fetched.

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An interesting article on the aforementioned quote:

https://www.acriticalhit.com/solved-...me-bad-forever

The tl;dr: Miyamoto may have never said it himself, but it's a very common mantra in the video game industry dating back to the 80s.


On-Topic: Neat! This is a step in the right direction at the very least. Hopefully this also means addressing the unnecessary lip and nose modifications, too. I do so love my Lily's slanted nose—it reminds me of Kaiji Itō.

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Originally Posted by Loggos

I'm not saying lighting has absolutely no influence on certain changes. Lighting is of course very powerful and I don't mean to dismiss that at all. But over the course of this discussion "you just have not tried xyz" has become a bit of a blanket statement towards many points of criticism even when people had already proven that their points of contention were in fact not caused by lighting (e.g., showing features had been remodeled) and that they had tried out the proposed solutions (shaders, lighting).

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Ok but this has to be said. Given the amount of changes and desires you do know they can't leave each character exactly like everyone likes it right? Even as we speak they are probably rolling back changes others liked and now they will be disappointed too.

This is where the playerbase needs to compromise and say, okay this is not the same but it's pretty good, maybe they can also do "X"

If you have a picture from 10 years ago that you love, but the paper and image is getting old, and you ask the creators to draw it again for you, it's going to be similar, but I think people can agree it will never be the same because it got redrawn. They didn't go to MS Paint and resized the image to 150% and added a sharpen filter in photoshop. They actually redid the characters.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

An interesting article on the aforementioned quote:

https://www.acriticalhit.com/solved-...me-bad-forever

The tl;dr: Miyamoto may have never said it himself, but it's a very common mantra in the video game industry dating back to the 80s.

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Yup, being tied to this industry myself, I can't say I haven't heard anything like that ahah. That's why that meme still makes sense, even if he didn't say it outright.

And on-topic also : we don't care who said it, it's still true. I don't think they'll delay the expac, they could've launch it earlier if that was not for Elden Ring. They're probably very close to being ready.
But if they consider that it needs to be delayed, I don't see the point crying for that. It's better to wait a bit more than having a massive amount of negative on release to please the impatients.

Edit : And I say that as an impatient myself. I don't like the changes of my character, but I know I could live with it if it stays as it is in the benchmark, and I'm VERY eager to play through Dawntrail because that content drought is killing me.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Ok but this has to be said. Given the amount of changes and desires you do know they can't leave each character exactly like everyone likes it right? Even as we speak they are probably rolling back changes others liked and now they will be disappointed too.

This is where the playerbase needs to compromise and say, okay this is not the same but it's pretty good, maybe they can also do "X"

If you have a picture from 10 years ago that you love, but the paper and image is getting old, and you ask the creators to draw it again for you, it's going to be similar, but I think people can agree it will never be the same because it got redrawn. They didn't go to MS Paint and resized the image to 150% and added a sharpen filter in photoshop. They actually redid the characters.

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Please don't equate 2D artist using 10 year old faded TP as a reference to 3D artists using 3D reference, it's embarassing. There will be some changes due to higher polycount but that would mostly be reduction in super sharp edges on jawlines and such, not completely a different shape. That said most of the actual issues people have bought up are on the texture side of things, some of which it does look like references weren't as heavily used. It's worth noting that the texture resolution has not drastically jumped up, so it's not exactly a guesswork of what was the original intention with said shapes. Another thing is that they cut down some unique features; like eye textures are frequently shared now between different races and clans, while as previously this wasn't the case. There's also the forced eye makeup and such that would be great as new options, but as it is I think they should just stick to their earlier promise and try to change as little as possible, then they can worry about people who want something else than what we had.

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Originally Posted by Scintilla

It very much doesn't. It certainly wouldn't be hard to find examples of exactly this, given that forum is full of it at the moment.

1. People have tried many things, it's true. But it continues to remain the case that at any mention of the word 'lighting' or any slight suggestion from a kind-hearted user trying to offer help (who for all we know may not have been closely following the very active threads to realise it's already been suggested in the past), they are instantly labelled as 'troll' and bombarded with posts on how their views and opinion is irrelevant - with this quickly descending to outright insults just a few posts later. Which is quite funny given that 'lighting' and 'shaders' are mentioned repeatedly throughout most of the benchmark update post... but that's diverging from the point of my response.

2. Does it fix the problem? No. Is it rude or offensive? Also no. It is a perfectly understandable way for someone to try to offer reassurance to someone who is clearly quite emotional about a current change. Whether it's the best way to phrase it is debatable, I admit. But it certainly doesn't warrant the far overblown responses they've received in return. It's solely patronizing because you interpret it as being patronizing. Intent matters and many of these comments were not made with negative intent in mind. Practically anything can be read an insult if the 'victim' interprets it that way. It still does not mean it was.

There is little surprise that even the most understanding and empathic posters have quickly lost what patience they had with some of the players here.

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We will have to agree to disagree.

It is interesting that you portray people feeling patronised as "interpreting it that way" when you do quite a bit of interpreting when it comes to others' feelings yourself.
You call it "clearly quite emotional because of current change". But perhaps that's an interpretation, and one that overlooks the fact that people are not averse to change but have valid concerns regarding existing issues and bring up lots of sourced constructive criticism.

You also call it "overblown responses". But perhaps that is an interpretation itself. Perhaps you perceive the responses as overblown when they might in fact be understandable frustration stemming from the issue that the sourced constuctive criticism is often dismissed and pushed into the "exaggerated, haven't tried this or that, rose-tinted glasses" corner.

The lighting thing is a good example. Several people have tried to point out that we don't think the current lighting is awesome and more flattering. It's not. What we tried to say is that there is congruence in our characters' features across all current lighting conditions, no matter how horrible, and that in the benchmark this congruence is not there. And some of that lack in congruence is not due to lighting but due to remodeling. Yet this explanation is mostly ignored and the much simpler narrative of "people are allergic to the lighting word" remains.

Anyways, it's clear we will not end up on the same page about this, since it seems we are not able to change each other's perspective.

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Originally Posted by Isurith

But if they consider that it needs to be delayed, I don't see the point crying for that. It's better to wait a bit more than having a massive amount of negative on release to please the impatients.

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I agree here for some things, lets say that they need to delay to make the seams go away, this is an objective issue everyone can agree on and I'd rather wait X amount of time and have seams for a decade just because we rushed them to release.

On the other hand, lets say its to rollback a change that not everyone agrees with like adding the mouth gap again to Miqo 4, just because some people think it gave it personality and now people who had vacations scheduled to coincide with release have to reschedule their vacations and also cause all sorts of delays down the release pipeline then no, that is unreasonable. Some people considered those flaws that needed to get fixed. And now they are getting put back into the game because unbeknownst to them, while they were celebrating after running the benchmark with their friends and not even checking the forums people here complained and now the game is delayed so they can put the flaw back into the game.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

Please don't equate 2D artist using 10 year old faded TP as a reference to 3D artists using 3D reference, it's embarassing. There will be some changes due to higher polycount but that would mostly be reduction in super sharp edges on jawlines and such, not completely a different shape.

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Please open your eyes to reality and realize there was minor changes in shape, and anyone with a benchmark can run them and see them, it's embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by Loggos

2. "I think your character looks nice" is also quite dismissive because it doesn't help anybody if someone else thinks a character looks nice. The player in question has to think their character looks nice. I also personally think a few benchmark characters look nicer according to my taste.
However telling them will most certainly not make them feel better. It might come across as pretty patronising if someone explains in detail why they are dissatisfied and what changes they have observed only to be hit with "Why do you complain, I think this is nice." when the broader context of the discussion is "It's not that bad/It's not there. You are exaggerating/you have rose-tinted glasses on". That is just another brand of "you are being irrational".
It can also come across like "Now your character looks better. If you like your old one then you have bad taste bc the old one is objectively worse."

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I wish more people would be able to grasp this sentiment, even a little bit. It's particularly rough when you're trying to take a go at it from a character designing angle, rather than just making something you personally think is most visually appealing.

Like, man, I personally want my male Miqo'te to remain a little fugly and angry-looking. I want my fem Midlander to continue being mistaken as a boy sometimes. I want my fem Elezen to look a little scary and edgy. I want my fem Viera to look less glamorous and a little sad. I want my fem Xaela to keep a bit of that goofy charm to her face, etc. :(

Yeah, maybe they look better to some... Maybe they'll fit a more general beauty ideal in the update. I think it's kind of lame, though, and I can easily understand why people have difficulties taking that as reassurance.

It sucks to have your attempt at sympathy fail, yeah, but loads of people keep repeating "reassurance" maliciously anyway because I guess it can also read as a personal slight against them.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I agree here for some things, lets say that they need to delay to make the seams go away, this is an objective issue everyone can agree on and I'd rather wait X amount of time and have seams for a decade just because we rushed them to release.

On the other hand, lets say its to rollback a change that not everyone agrees with like adding the mouth gap again to Miqo 4, just because some people think it gave it personality and now people who had vacations scheduled to coincide with release have to reschedule their vacations and also cause all sorts of delays down the release pipeline then no, that is unreasonable. Some people considered those flaws that needed to get fixed. And now they are getting put back into the game because unbeknownst to them, while they were celebrating after running the benchmark with their friends and not even checking the forums people here complained and now the game is delayed so they can put the flaw back into the game.

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I really think studios shouldn't care about people taking vacations for a release.
Not to be rude at all, I did it, and will continue in the future. But that really should not be a concern for the devs.
The product quality should be the one and only focus. Always.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Please open your eyes to reality and realize there was minor changes in shape, and anyone with a benchmark can run them and see them, it's embarrassing.

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Stewie Wonder stop making alts.
https://i.imgur.com/57laAho.png

https://64.media.tumblr.com/dc256191...5176b47ce5.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Please open your eyes to reality and realize there was minor changes in shape, and anyone with a benchmark can run them and see them, it's embarrassing.

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If I asked someone to restore or recreate a piece of art you'd bet I'd be upset if they decided giving them duck lips was an improvement. I told everyone that Au Ra face 4's mouth was puckered out and the corners had dimples added. I finally got to see the mesh in blender last night next to the old one, courtesy of a friend. Oh, look at that, the mouth was stuck out measurably further and a literally dip in the corners was added. That's not upscaling, that's changing what a character looks like, and this announcement validates that. If people liked the new face four chances are high they did not already play face four, and I think the current face four players should take precedence. This goes for every other race. (Wanting their fangs back is not just wanting their gap back because it was cute, mooncats literally lost what made their race different.)

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

Stewie Wonder stop making alts.
https://i.imgur.com/57laAho.png

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Would you look at that. There was a minor change in shape. I'm glad you came around and understood. I'm proud.

The fact that feedback is being acted upon means that it is, indeed, being seen — on social media and the forums, as cited in the release. While some of my issues extend beyond lighting, I am holding out hope that they kept the response short and sweet without detailing every single thing that they might tweak between now and Dawntrail's full release. Maybe some things like drastic changes in the face sculpts will be looked over and re-evaluated, but at this point I'm just content to know that they are reading what people are saying. So on that token, when 2.0 Benchmark is released, I hope no one is surprised when there is yet more feedback posted here in hopes of being heard.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Would you look at that. There was a minor change in shape. I'm glad you came around and understood. I'm proud.

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By that logic miqote are a minor change to Hyur, we should remove them. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Fuyume

If I asked someone to restore or recreate a piece of art you'd bet I'd be upset if they decided giving them duck lips was an improvement. I told everyone that Au Ra face 4's mouth was puckered out and the corners had dimples added. I finally got to see the mesh in blender last night next to the old one, courtesy of a friend. Oh, look at that, the mouth was stuck out measurably further and a literally dip in the corners was added. That's not upscaling, that's changing what a character looks like, and this announcement validates that. If people liked the new face four chances are high they did not already play face four, and I think the current face four players should take precedence. This goes for every other race. (Wanting their fangs back is not just wanting their gap back because it was cute, mooncats literally lost what made their race different.)

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Mind you sharing some screenshots, or even the models, for me to look at ?
I'm suffering the same trouble, and would love to pinpoint more precisely the problems, especially to explain it to some friends that can't see any difference.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I agree here for some things, lets say that they need to delay to make the seams go away, this is an objective issue everyone can agree on and I'd rather wait X amount of time and have seams for a decade just because we rushed them to release.

On the other hand, lets say its to rollback a change that not everyone agrees with like adding the mouth gap again to Miqo 4, just because some people think it gave it personality and now people who had vacations scheduled to coincide with release have to reschedule their vacations and also cause all sorts of delays down the release pipeline then no, that is unreasonable. Some people considered those flaws that needed to get fixed. And now they are getting put back into the game because unbeknownst to them, while they were celebrating after running the benchmark with their friends and not even checking the forums people here complained and now the game is delayed so they can put the flaw back into the game.

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Something similar has actually already happened. Back at one of the fan fests they showed updates to au ra eye rings and they looked much more subtle/blended into the second color and it looked more natural. Obviously a lot of people use very contrasting bright eye rings so they offered their feedback about it.

The devs ended up rolling it back and now the eye rings are just as bright as they've been, here's the problem though. Quite a lot of people liked that change but instead of SE giving us options for both they just roll it back to appease the people who didnt like the change and the people who did like the change are now disappointed.

At the end of the day the real problem is the lack of choices in the character creator to appease everyone. There needs to be some middle ground here.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

By that logic miqote are a minor change to Hyur, we should remove them. :cool:

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That's fine, if you are so emotionally clouded that you would destroy a race and self sabotage just to try to get to me I would just fantasia to Viera or Hyur. No matter what unless they give you exactly what you want you will never be happy and attack others because they just don't understand everything has to be your way or get destroyed.

How is anyone supposed to reason with that or even take you seriously? Believe me, you aren't helping anyone and least of all yourself.

Just stop arguing amongst yourselves and keep posting specific, constructive feedback about changes to the shape of eyes, noses and lips. Ignore anyone who tells you to stop or says its fine.

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Originally Posted by Isurith

Mind you sharing some screenshots, or even the models, for me to look at ?
I'm suffering the same trouble, and would love to pinpoint more precisely the problems, especially to explain it to some friends that can't see any difference.

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As soon as I get home I'd be happy to. :) If nothing else it let me feel less crazy for seeing the changes when people were telling me they look the same.

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Originally Posted by Isurith

I really think studios shouldn't care about people taking vacations for a release.
Not to be rude at all, I did it, and will continue in the future. But that really should not be a concern for the devs.
The product quality should be the one and only focus. Always.

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Exactly this! Like if the game needs to get pushed back and YOU, the player, made the conscious decision to use vacation time to play the launch of a video game, that isn't the devs fault. Yoshida has stated multiple times that this is still just a game and to not prioritize it over real life matters. Remember 1.0 login message? https://i.imgur.com/tslyesa.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Fuyume

If I asked someone to restore or recreate a piece of art you'd bet I'd be upset if they decided giving them duck lips was an improvement. I told everyone that Au Ra face 4's mouth was puckered out and the corners had dimples added. I finally got to see the mesh in blender last night next to the old one, courtesy of a friend. Oh, look at that, the mouth was stuck out measurably further and a literally dip in the corners was added. That's not upscaling, that's changing what a character looks like, and this announcement validates that. If people liked the new face four chances are high they did not already play face four, and I think the current face four players should take precedence. This goes for every other race. (Wanting their fangs back is not just wanting their gap back because it was cute, mooncats literally lost what made their race different.)

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Mind you sharing some screenshots, or even the models, for me to look at ?
I'm suffering the same trouble, and would love to pinpoint more precisely the problems, especially to explain it to some friends that can't see any difference.

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I would love to see those too if it's not too much trouble. It would be really helpful!

I wonder if this means the moon miqo's get back their fangs and lalafels not having dolphin teeth.

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Originally Posted by Sorrowen

Exactly this! Like if the game needs to get pushed back and YOU, the player, made the conscious decision to use vacation time to play the launch of a video game, that isn't the devs fault. Yoshida has stated multiple times that this is still just a game and to not prioritize it over real life matters. Remember 1.0 login message? https://i.imgur.com/tslyesa.jpeg

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FF11 had this too, you couldn't play without accepting.

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Originally Posted by Sorrowen

Exactly this! Like if the game needs to get pushed back and YOU, the player, made the conscious decision to use vacation time to play the launch of a video game, that isn't the devs fault. Yoshida has stated multiple times that this is still just a game and to not prioritize it over real life matters. Remember 1.0 login message? https://i.imgur.com/tslyesa.jpeg

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Full disclosure I did not ask for vacations but know some who did. I see the point in focusing on quality, that in and of itself is not bad and I can sort of agree when the "Quality" in question is not subjective. But I would say that everything matters and people should be considerate of others. We all knew how Yoshida took the last delay really hard and was extremely hesitant to give a date due to not being 100% sure. They take their announced release dates extremely seriously. Seeing the benchmark, I don't see anything that is so scuffed a multimillion dollar launch needs to get delayed. Perhaps some of it can be ongoing work if needed.

Happy to see a mention in the post about the "mouth scaling" being weird, curious to see what the actual intended effect is.

Also very happy to see that they plan on changing up the character creator. Maybe we can now finally stop getting inaccurate CC comparisons for how things actually look with the upgrades :p