Elitist Housing Must Go. Every Single Player Should Have A House.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Except it wouldnt, not with ward housing existing at the same time, people would still want ward housing, a huge percentage at least, it would change nothing

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The wards could still be there for the lucky players that can win them with extremely low odds. The instanced housing would be for the rest of the players who couldn't move into a ward so that every player at least has a house and then they can more to a ward one day if they like and are lucky enough.

Basically this solves the problem of only a handful of players being allowed to own a house while the majority of players are excluded from a major game system.

I am pushing for ALL players to have a house not just some lucky ones.

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Originally Posted by Byron-Blackfyre

I know a lot of people love having neighbours and stuff, but I personally don't care at all about that. why? I have friends who I play with and that's my main focus. I'd be happy to have a house that I can invite them to. that's enough for me. In eso I owned several instanced houses including the Kvatch Sanctuary for Darkbrotherhood which served as my guild-hall. I preferred the instanced housing because I didn't need to compete against others to secure one. I hope square enix embraces the future and transitions into instanced housing.

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This 100%

ESO was my FAV for housing! Being able to own multiple houses and build a house from scratch using a housing mod. I wish that the players in ff14 could feel the joy of creation that I felt playing ESO :)

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

This 100%

ESO was my FAV for housing! Being able to own multiple houses and build a house from scratch using a housing mod. I wish that the players in ff14 could feel the joy of creation that I felt playing ESO :)

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I do expect to see more housing things with 7.0. And sadly not before then. :/

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Except it wouldnt, not with ward housing existing at the same time, people would still want ward housing, a huge percentage at least, it would change nothing

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Except it would change something. People could stop complaining about not having a house because they would have one even if it's not the specific one they want.

Since many are prone to complain, they might still complain about not having a specific house they feel entitled to just as many already do.

But I still think you overestimate how large a percentage of players would still demand ward housing if SE implemented an instanced system on par with the likes of what ESO and RIFT have, and Wildstar had.

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

I do expect to see more housing things with 7.0. And sadly not before then. :/

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Just being able to know such things are coming with a fairly solid timeline in place for release would be a huge relief.

I know that there is reason behind the silence if such things are in the works, but silence is also too easily equated with not caring and doing nothing.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Except it would change something. People could stop complaining about not having a house because they would have one even if it's not the specific one they want.

Since many are prone to complain, they might still complain about not having a specific house they feel entitled to just as many already do.

But I still think you overestimate how large a percentage of players would still demand ward housing if SE implemented an instanced system on par with the likes of what ESO and RIFT have, and Wildstar had.


Just being able to know such things are coming with a fairly solid timeline in place for release would be a huge relief.

I know that there is reason behind the silence if such things are in the works, but silence is also too easily equated with not caring and doing nothing.

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Precicely. And like if there is 1 thing i know.. it's that Yoshi P loves this game WAY WAY WAYYYY to much to let us suffer in silence, and he have this shit in the work. But the spahgetti codes from 1.0 sadly still lingers. It's why there's a lot of loading zones still and other things. :(

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

Precicely. And like if there is 1 thing i know.. it's that Yoshi P loves this game WAY WAY WAYYYY to much to let us suffer in silence, and he have this shit in the work. But the spahgetti codes from 1.0 sadly still lingers. It's why there's a lot of loading zones still and other things. :(

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Hell yeah he is passionate about this game for sure!

In the meantime all we can do is champion the cause by bringing more awareness to it.

I'm looking forward to 7.0 and the graphical updates!

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Except it would change something. People could stop complaining about not having a house because they would have one even if it's not the specific one they want.

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If that's the case why did I watch 30 people bid on the same house when the house across the street had 0 bids? And continued to have 0 bids for two almost three lottery cycles now.

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Originally Posted by SlouchyBard

If that's the case why did I watch 30 people bid on the same house when the house across the street had 0 bids? And continued to have 0 bids for two almost three lottery cycles now.

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That's insane, all while on our server every house has multiple bids on it. Zero larges and massive bidding an any medium...

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Originally Posted by SlouchyBard

If that's the case why did I watch 30 people bid on the same house when the house across the street had 0 bids? And continued to have 0 bids for two almost three lottery cycles now.

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Mao can think of three reasons. Stubborn insistence on gettings particular house, lack of appreciation of just how precious gettings ANY house is, and tunnel vision (literally nots seeing open unbidded on plot across street). Mao saw same thing happen in Mao's ward in Goblets.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Mao can think of three reasons. Stubborn insistence on gettings particular house, lack of appreciation of just how precious gettings ANY house is, and tunnel vision (literally nots seeing open unbidded on plot across street). Mao saw same thing happen in Mao's ward in Goblets.

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Mao is very smart cause Mao knew I was talking about Goblet. :)

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Originally Posted by SlouchyBard

If that's the case why did I watch 30 people bid on the same house when the house across the street had 0 bids? And continued to have 0 bids for two almost three lottery cycles now.

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Probably because the house without bids is in an undesirable location despite being "across the street".

Would you rather have a beachfront house, or a house across the street that has its view totally blocked by the beachfront house?

The people entering probably aren't trying to get their first house - they're trying to relocate the one they already have. And my next sentence that you so conveniently chopped out of the quote pointed out that people would still complain about not being able to get a specific location.

If I was in that boat, I would go for best odds, not view.

And didn't "conveniently" chop anything out. I shortened it and on mobile. Forgive me.

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Originally Posted by SlouchyBard

If I was in that boat, I would go for best odds, not view.

And didn't "conveniently" chop anything out. I shortened it and on mobile. Forgive me.

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And there are others who would likewise go for best odds if they were trying to get their first house.

That's why I think those 30 entries would have been from people trying to relocate, not get their first house. If the house across the street isn't more appealing than their current house, there would be no reason to bid on it.

As players, our problem is we can't tell if an entry represents someone without a house or someone trying to relocate. Many assume all entries are from players without houses but that's simply not true.

And my apologies, I didn't realize you were on mobile.

Wish me luck!! Lowest I could get was 5 bids on a small this round....

Good luck to all of you as well <3

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

Wish me luck!! Lowest I could get was 5 bids on a small this round....

Good luck to all of you as well <3

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Good luck! today is the day! this will be my 76th house i've lost! but i hope you finally get yours!

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

Good luck! today is the day! this will be my 76th house i've lost! but i hope you finally get yours!

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And yet on Aether I'm getting one right after making a new character, on a plot with only 1 bid on it which is mine, in Goblet.

It really is because you are on Balmung, as much as I feel bad for you, its self inflicted seriously, there's many worlds in which it's possible to get a house, not only Dynamis, Aether is just fine.

I dare say maybe some other Crystal worlds are okay-ish but I dont know their situation very well so I wont talk on those.

Good luck though

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

And yet on Aether I'm getting one right after making a new character, on a plot with only 1 bid on it which is mine, in Goblet.

It really is because you are on Balmung, as much as I feel bad for you, its self inflicted seriously, there's many worlds in which it's possible to get a house, not only Dynamis, Aether is just fine.

I dare say maybe some other Crystal worlds are okay-ish but I dont know their situation very well so I wont talk on those.

Good luck though

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Thank you. And it's the same issue i have. Like... i have everything and everyone on Balmung. My friends, my family, my FC, everything i've built up. I've been on Balmung since it was Besaid in 1.0. So if i left, i just wouldn't be able to feel the same, truth be told. *hugs*

But i'll keep my hopes up none the less! <3

And with time, my time will come aswell! <3

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

Thank you. And it's the same issue i have. Like... i have everything and everyone on Balmung. My friends, my family, my FC, everything i've built up. I've been on Balmung since it was Besaid in 1.0. So if i left, i just wouldn't be able to feel the same, truth be told. *hugs*

But i'll keep my hopes up none the less! <3

And with time, my time will come aswell! <3

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I get it dont worry, I can understand it I really do, and it does suck, I kinda hope they'd find a solution even if its only for Balmung but sadly doesnt look like it's happening anytime soon, hopefully you get a house this round ♥

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I get it dont worry, I can understand it I really do, and it does suck, I kinda hope they'd find a solution even if its only for Balmung but sadly doesnt look like it's happening anytime soon, hopefully you get a house this round ♥

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Here's hoping! even if i dont! it's whatever! i've bided my time so far! so i might aswell just wait! :D

No thanks. Instanced housing is boring.

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Originally Posted by JOsha

No thanks. Instanced housing is boring.

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Then simply don't like it. :/ i mean let us who think it's an idea have that idea.

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Originally Posted by JOsha

No thanks. Instanced housing is boring.

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Wanna know what's more boring than having an instanced house?

Having no house.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I get it dont worry, I can understand it I really do, and it does suck, I kinda hope they'd find a solution even if its only for Balmung but sadly doesnt look like it's happening anytime soon, hopefully you get a house this round ♥

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nr 100 won. Ah well! <3

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

nr 100 won. Ah well! <3

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I'm sorry to hear :( ♥

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I'm sorry to hear :( ♥

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*hugs* Oh well! always next time, when they add more wards/houses/places. :)

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

I can say with 100% certainty that you absolutely do not speak for me, or "people."
If I could own and decorate an instanced large plot sans neighbors, I'd be perfectly content with that, and at most I would go for a ward plot when it became available. Giving people a shoebox to fall back on and calling that the equivalent of "a second class mansion" is a little disingenuous, don't you think?

Like, aside from the sheer size of the interior, the difference between a large plot and a small plot is almost 200 decoration slots. Calling it more of a "status" thing than a "I want to be able to decorate this" thing is a bit reductive/cynical.

Doubling the wards wouldn't really help SE's image problem, as well, that they deal with on a regular basis. I know wards are basically already ghost towns, but there would be empty small plots all over the place. You'd see endless "dead game" screenshots. It also probably just, wouldn't serve everyone who wants to own a plot of the size they want; which is a key point that instanced housing could address.

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the "dead game" argument is a moot point i feel. That entirely lays with the players, not the game devs. Everyone chooses to laze about limsa rather than invest the same effort and time into their housing districts to make them populated and engaging.

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

Then simply don't like it. :/ i mean let us who think it's an idea have that idea.

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Sure, I just hope it never replaces the current housing system. An addition? Sure. A replacement? Hell nah, hopefully never.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

The point I am tryign to make is that Every player should have the option/ability to own a piece of land to put a house, not just a handful of players.

If they are adding every six months that's pretty decent, some of the people in my network told me it takes years for them to add more.

Also yes I do have enough to purchase and build, decorating may take some time though but that is the carrot on the stick for me to continue playing.

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"Every player should have the option/ability to own a piece of land" - every player DOES have the option/ability though.
1. EVERY player is given the option to opt into aiming to own a piece of land in game
2. EVERY player is given the ability to play the game, earn gil with the hopes of participating in the new lottery system to have their chance at a plot.
- this is not limiting it to a "handful" of players as you are saying. literally...every...player...has the same chances. if people didnt work at making gil to have their chance at getting a plot (which, btw, is near impossible to fail at, seeing as how just going through all of msq alone will next you just under the amount needed for a medium) than that is entirely on the player. not the devs.

How is it elitist when you win at RNG that makes everyone equal?

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

How is it elitist when you win at RNG that makes everyone equal?

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This!

The only prerequisite is having enough Gil to place a bid.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

How is it elitist when you win at RNG that makes everyone equal?

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When people are sitting on 3+ houses between them and their alts and there's others with no houses it's far from equal.

Roll housing into Island Sanctuary.

If I own a huge god-damn island why do I need to buy a plot of land to build a house?

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Originally Posted by Akkarin

Yes another house lost to some fucking selfish prick and his alts:

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...092594/member/

I fucking hate this. It's a joke.

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Unless it hasn't been updated, the profile says this:
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Plot 41, 25 Ward, The Goblet (Medium)

Ward 25 is a FC only (no private bidders) ward.

Did you read what I said? It's a FC full of alts. Aka one person using the fact it's a FC to bid in an FC only ward. That's exactly the problem.

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Originally Posted by Akkarin

When people are sitting on 3+ houses between them and their alts and there's others with no houses it's far from equal.

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That is not what OP said. It was about RNG, unless I overlooked something.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

That is not what OP said. It was about RNG, unless I overlooked something.

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Using the word equal when describing anything about this system is just not accurate imho.

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Originally Posted by Raim

People wont actually like instanced housing, it'll feel like second class housing compared to wards. It would be better if they just invested more into server infrastructure and over doubled the wards on NA/EU.

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Apartments are already second class houses compared to wards. So adding instanced housing would be the same, but more features and the wards can stay premium, hell even whack the prices back up to show this.

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Originally Posted by Akkarin

Did you read what I said? It's a FC full of alts. Aka one person using the fact it's a FC to bid in an FC only ward. That's exactly the problem.

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Well, yeah - but you didn't exactly elaborate. Were you bidding for a FC?

Yes. This is the 6th time. Same story. FC made of alts winning plots. It's a joke.

Greedy selfish bastards? I guess that's the problem?