There has not been a single major patch without a critical issue since Endwalker.

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Way to go completely missing the point, same with everyone liking your comment.
The devs have said multiple times before ( including Yoshi-P himself and Toshio ) that the forums are toxic as hell and needlessly stressful and that they just stop reading comments because of this crap.
If you lot care about actual change then you'd find it within yourselves to drop the needless antagonism towards them for five minutes.
All that you're doing is make the devs ignore and not read threads and your own comments.

It's completely counter-productive and causes actual harm to the game, then the same people sit around whining about how they're not listening.
If you want to give feedback then give feedback without pointless attacks attached to every single comment.

Far too many people treat '' feedback and criticism '' on this forum as just blatant vitriol and venting, and it's actually holding the game back and making it more difficult to communicate with the devs.

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Why does the fanbase need to act as the devs emotional support buddies? We consume a product they produce, and we are to hold them to a standard. So some people get mad, and they might say MeAn WoRdS oN ThE InTeRnEt, but so what? Is the content of what they're saying invalidated because it isn't super nice and polite? If you were in a relationship (in any relation) and you had to "watch your words" and walk on eggshells to avoid the other party ignoring you, that's definitely not a nice relationship to be in.

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Why does the fanbase need to act as the devs emotional support buddies? We consume a product they produce, and we are to hold them to a standard. So some people get mad, and they might say MeAn WoRdS oN ThE InTeRnEt, but so what? Is the content of what they're saying invalidated because it isn't super nice and polite? If you were in a relationship (in any relation) and you had to "watch your words" and walk on eggshells to avoid the other party ignoring you, that's definitely not a nice relationship to be in.

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On the other hand, a relationship (in any relation) isn't really worth indulging in if the other party is rude and disrespectful on a regular basis. The content of what is said isn't immediately invalidated no, but in any circumstances, it isn't going to be given the proper attention if said content is largely vitriolic nonsense.

Say what you don't like, and why you don't like it. If it gets addressed, great, if not and the dislike is continual then it stands that the direction of the game just simply doesn't align according to their interests anymore. Ultimately, it is within the developers' hands to choose the direction of the game. I can certainly say that if you being polite, consistent, and providing at least some insight doesn't change the direction then being rude about the matter certainly wouldn't.

I have a severe distaste for the direction of crafting in this game, for example, as I am certain many have equally vented about, be it on these forums, on Reddit, or on Discord. The solution to that was Firmament which is largely temporal content. So I've taken it for granted that the game's direction for crafting just doesn't align with my interests. This is to say in this regard an alignment towards a casual engagement, as opposed to something that required ongoing investment (Basically HW).

I can say that the very original post in this threat served no other purpose than to complain for the sake of it and to inflame.

Maybe SE uses the Battlefield 2042 or Cyberpunk 2077 QA team before testing these patches?

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Why does the fanbase need to act as the devs emotional support buddies? We consume a product they produce, and we are to hold them to a standard. So some people get mad, and they might say MeAn WoRdS oN ThE InTeRnEt, but so what? Is the content of what they're saying invalidated because it isn't super nice and polite? If you were in a relationship (in any relation) and you had to "watch your words" and walk on eggshells to avoid the other party ignoring you, that's definitely not a nice relationship to be in.

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Because people like you act like total Karens about it and its extremely annoying?

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Originally Posted by Lustre

If you were in a relationship (in any relation) and you had to "watch your words" and walk on eggshells to avoid the other party ignoring you, that's definitely not a nice relationship to be in.

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if you are in a relationship (in any relation) and you would scream bloody murder at the other party every time you weren't happy with something that they tried giving you than people would rightfully call you an abusive a** and tell the other party to cut all contact with you.

if your favorite restaurant changes its menu than you might decide to never go there again, you might also tell the owner that you liked the old menu better and you would really prefer he give you more of the old menu because otherwise you don't believe they can keep you as a patron. what you won't do unless you are completly unhinged is sending the owner a mail telling him how much his new menu sucks ass, he either starts accomodating you or you will never visit his establishment again and that he is a failure for not realizing himself that his new menu sucks ass and he should be ashamed for deliviring something as bad as the new menu to you, so why do you feel this to be an okay way to talk to/about developers in a video game forum ?

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Because people like you act like total Karens about it and its extremely annoying?

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I don't think that's fair at all. There's nothing particularly unreasonable about Lustre's posts.

If we're talking 'extremely annoying' I'd be more inclined to use that term to describe the posters who show up in response to any feedback whatsoever in order to try and downplay it. Furthermore, there's no real justification for bizarre personal attacks.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It's less slave driving and more "we pay for a product and we want our money's worth" which I don't think is unreasonable. We also know that they can do better.

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you pay what, $15 a month? 0.50 cents a day, and you dont think you get your money's worth?

tough crowd...

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

I've never been so bored in an MMORPG patch as 6.1.

"Oh, but you don't want the game to force you to play... blah blah blah"

Yes, I don't want the game to force me to play, I don't want to have to farm something endlessly. But damn it, is it hard to have interesting content? Something that is not necessary, but that I can distract myself? Or is that asking too much of Square Memex?

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Crystalline conflict's new battle pass at least was something that kept me busy for a while, if we can get something similar from the new savage dungeons that'd be sick. seasonal pve rewards

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Likewise. There's room for them to renew that trust, though the 'usual suspects' who make a career out of defending absolutely everything that a billion dollar company does only serves to push yet more people into sceptical territory.

We're not 'hAtErS' for having genuine concerns about the very same pattern emerging that caused World of Warcraft to go from the most popular MMO in existence to a complete laughing stock and constant string of scandals.

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You say this all the time yet it seems very rare that folks do this (in the OF at least). No one was even talking about those folks either tbf. Also I've seen plenty of ex WoW players (claimed at least) claim the game isn't going down that route and that folks who are unhappy with the game atm are advocating for changes that do lead to WoWs downfall. Many streets to this with no right or wrong answer really

I wouldn't call you a hater ofc, but being concerned doesn't make you any more right than anyone else, nor does it mean folks who don't share your concerns are just downplaying things.

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if you are in a relationship (in any relation) and you would scream bloody murder at the other party every time you weren't happy with something that they tried giving you than people would rightfully call you an abusive a** and tell the other party to cut all contact with you.

if your favorite restaurant changes its menu than you might decide to never go there again, you might also tell the owner that you liked the old menu better and you would really prefer he give you more of the old menu because otherwise you don't believe they can keep you as a patron. what you won't do unless you are completly unhinged is sending the owner a mail telling him how much his new menu sucks ass, he either starts accomodating you or you will never visit his establishment again and that he is a failure for not realizing himself that his new menu sucks ass and he should be ashamed for deliviring something as bad as the new menu to you, so why do you feel this to be an okay way to talk to/about developers in a video game forum ?

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You're being deliberately obtuse on certain points. Nobody's screaming blue murder. People are giving impassioned feedback and opinion (something that comes with the territory in MMOs) because a service failed, on the back of numerous other failings, consequentially. You then proceed to compare this situation to that of a small local business owner. Strawman 101. I should know better than to reply, really.

It's important to note there's practically 0 community interaction with SE here. We're essentially "the only ones who care enough to scream into the void". I think that has a part to play in the "negativity" of the comments. But honestly, I've played games my entire life, and expecting a community of hundreds of thousands of extremely passionate fans to constantly behave "nicely" is like asking to leave the house and have a million dollars fall on top of you. It's never ever going to happen. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that in all of the communities I've been a part of, negative feedback in the XIV is actually rather polite. Although I'm sure you'd point to a single occasion multiple years ago where something over the line happened as if it's some kind of grand proof.

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Housing glitch. EW queue bugs (which had to be resolved by a Redditor and not their own engineers). And now... DC visit shenanigans.

This has never happened at this alarming frequency in HW, SB, and even ShB.

What is going on?

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Too many alt troll accounts gumming up the works.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Why does the fanbase need to act as the devs emotional support buddies? We consume a product they produce, and we are to hold them to a standard.

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If you look beyond the company, there are developers with real emotions. People can be critical, but they should word it politely. Why would developers want to continue listening to us or even working for SE if their customers are always rude to them and attack them on a personal level?

It's possible to word criticism politely and respectfully. It got bad enough that Yoshi-P had to bring it up recently. He had to reconsider whether to force developers to read things that were making them unhappy.

Why would they want to continue working for SE if they are attacked for everything whatever decision they make? They need praise sometimes, but if you look on these forums, they never really get it.

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If you were in a relationship (in any relation) and you had to "watch your words" and walk on eggshells to avoid the other party ignoring you, that's definitely not a nice relationship to be in.

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Nor is it a nice relationship to be in where you "say MeAn WoRdS" and are not "super nice and polite". The relationship goes both ways.

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Nothing is going on. It's the result of new things being added to an already huge game. Things are going to inevitably pop up. Also, we have only had one major patch since the expansion launched, the rest have been half patches.

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I feel like the only direction this game has taken since launch is up↑. Quality and story↑ , population and popularity ↑↑, people's outrage and blood pressure↑↑↑↑↑↑.

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you pay what, $15 a month? 0.50 cents a day, and you dont think you get your money's worth?

tough crowd...

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Plus inventory plus expansions plus cash shop. You don't pay just X amount for the "COMPLETE" game. You pay X amount for access to some of the game. Not compare that to FFXV which I think you can get the complete game for 50ish.

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Housing glitch. EW queue bugs (which had to be resolved by a Redditor and not their own engineers). And now... DC visit shenanigans.

This has never happened at this alarming frequency in HW, SB, and even ShB.

What is going on?

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They're trying to invent new and interesting things on top of a poorly optimized engine that can barely maintain the game as it is. Technical Debt is creeping up.

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They're trying to invent new and interesting things on top of a poorly optimized engine that can barely maintain the game as it is. Technical Debt is creeping up.

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honestly i would not mind if one of the major patches (like 6.3) was dedicated entirely to fixing and maintaining everything that's on the verge of flying apart by the seams.

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Housing glitch. EW queue bugs (which had to be resolved by a Redditor and not their own engineers). And now... DC visit shenanigans.

This has never happened at this alarming frequency in HW, SB, and even ShB.

What is going on?

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Besides a global pandemic, supply chain and work disruptions, an escalating war in Europe, looming recession, impending climate catastrophe, and bitter social and political division and upheaval?

Not much I guess. I'm glad we get to play a fun game like FFXIV, even if it has had some issues.

you call this a major patch?

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you call this a major patch?

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Well, yes - it's one of the unique features touted as a selling point for the expansion itself and many players have been eager to see world visit expanded in order to more easily play with friends.

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If you look beyond the company, there are developers with real emotions. People can be critical, but they should word it politely. Why would developers want to continue listening to us or even working for SE if their customers are always rude to them and attack them on a personal level?

It's possible to word criticism politely and respectfully. It got bad enough that Yoshi-P had to bring it up recently. He had to reconsider whether to force developers to read things that were making them unhappy.

Why would they want to continue working for SE if they are attacked for everything whatever decision they make? They need praise sometimes, but if you look on these forums, they never really get it.

Nor is it a nice relationship to be in where you "say MeAn WoRdS" and are not "super nice and polite". The relationship goes both ways.

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If I messed up like they did I'd be out of a job real quick. You act like they dont earn a salary/benefits. Is a complaint not worth twice a complement anymore? More to the point, why is the relationship between us and the devs presented as a personal one when it's actually a business arrangement? There arent supposed to be emotional responses from the businesses side, that's just plain unprofessional. Maybe the stifling work culture in japan means they have thinner skin than us in the west, who knows. All I know is that it isnt our responsibility to cater our responses for the sake of someones emotions we're never gonna meet. They either take the feedback and act on it, or they ignore it and create more feedback. And it seems they routinely choose the latter. The ToS is so heavyhanded, this is a problem they themselves have partially created. I've never seen a fanbase so on edge and passive aggressive, and there's a reason for that. (Hint, it's nothing to do with the fans).

There was another mmo a decade ago, where the forums were a constant back and forth between "white knights" and "complainers" and very little feedback was looked upon. That was wow. Now look at wow. Not exactly in a good way is it? I apologise for not wanting to see XIV go the same way

As someone who hasn't unsubbed since 2013 I might really start doing that this year if things aren't getting better, I get why people do it now..

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EW queue wasn't a bug. They just made improvements and optimizations to something that had worked for years. A development server was repurposed as a login server to increase the amount of processing power.

DC travel is not part of a major patch. It's 6.18 and it's just congestion from people using it a lot.

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Error 2002 in queue was a "bug" though because the queue for some reason would not refresh, but straight up drop the connection for prolonged periods and then try to reconnect. If i recall the post from a networks analysis from reddit, and it wasn't long after that post that the 2002 error was fixed too...

Alternatively the 2002 error for a full queue was not a bug though.

I am waiting for people not being able to access Island Sanctuary cuz too many simultaneous attempts for lulz and giggles :D

Honestly i like this game, but it gets more and more uninteresting. The stuff i like dosnt get updates, there are no new features and the thing i was really looking forward will be most liky ingame at some point next year. Remember Ishgard Housing announcement with the release of Shadowbringers? It was such a big advertisment before the release and it took nearly 2 1/2 years before people could finaly get a house there. Sure the rework of the PvP is a nice and welcome thing but that dosnt keep me playing this game everyday.

The Features i still miss, is shared housing for all you alts, workshop for private houses and something like an account bank. I bet there are a lot of ppl like me that abuse the FC system to create a small private FC for their chars, to be able to use all thouse features that wouldnt be possible with a private house.

After a long long break i started last month with ESO again (as sub). Sure its also not perfect but there is so much to do and new things that no matter if you are new or a returner you will have more than enough stuff to discover for more than a half year non stop playing. Also another thing i mentioned while playing ESO the world feels way more lively than in FFXIV and every little shit npc has voice acting, something that we can only dream off. Also ESO has a nice varity off actions that maybe could be used as inspiration for FFXIV: Public Dungeons and Open World dungeons which could be done solo, Normal and Elite dungeons (which are same as here), Open World bosses (which spawn way more frequent than here), Open World group activities (something equal to bosses but with normal enemys), thievery (yes you can steal from npcs), artifact searching (with enough time you can get powerfull legendary gear solo), Thousands of quests (all with voice) aaannnddd Housing for everyone yes, you can even own multiple houses and use them with all your chars on that server (they are handled like collecting mounts or pets but accountwide) and they will never ever get demolished. Also thanks to way lvling and new stuff is handled in this game you gear from years ago is still viable and you are ready to go even after a 3 or 5 year long break.

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Don't count your chickens before they hatch. You shouldn't rely on what -might- happen next patch.

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But the doomsayers are allowed to critique and piss and moan with no actual patch? Got it. What's actually happened is the population of FF14 has massively increased so the number of trolls and poop-posters has also massively increased.

Also, inb4 "white knighting" post, there is no feedback or rational criticism in this thread, it's just malding (or outright denial of reality). If someone ever posted something remotely resembling feedback such as "SE should have continued using the (normal)(hard) model for dungeons in later expansions to increase our dungeon content" ... THEN I might be able to take it seriously and talk about how criterion dungeons seem to be retaking this path and discuss it with them.

Instead we get this posting:
"Yeaaah. This has been kinda brutal in both content drought and quality.

They're slipping."

Well done, clearly reasoned feedback there!

I think the issue is more so that these patches are releasing things that are altering the fundamental rules of the game in a way that just won't be perfect on release, or in the case of Endwalker queues, the game simply never reaching a higher peak in its population; and even then, it was less messy than Stormblood's launch. For housing, the approach to a new and different kind of system altogether. For DC travel... that goes without saying, did anyone honestly believe that system would have no problems on release? That's probably the single biggest step in terms of extending the community that they've ever attempted.

The simple answer as to why a lot of pre-Endwalker patches didn't have these issues is that they weren't as ambitious in changing core aspects of the game. I think it's kinda weird to act like they're losing their touch or something, based purely on the fact that major changes require some patching to get in order. Frustrating, sure, that's fair; but doomsaying? Eh.

I see the trend is still going just look at world travel with ines now stuck in other worlds and can't return. Maybe they should just spend the money and replace the whole engine if that is whats giving them all the problems or hire more for their team.

I'm regularly critical of the developers here and it seems to work completely fine. I got to go to Aether and play with my friends - we ran several instances and there was no issues, and even though I couldn't get back to Crystal last night before, I logged on before I had to leave for work this morning and got my character back to Crystal fine. It doesn't really seem like it's having "critical issues" to me just because they temporarily shut it off because it was getting slammed first thing in the morning. Once the novelty of going to check out other DCs wears off for people, I doubt the issue of not being able to go back to your home world will exist much at all either. Seems to me like they've done a good job.

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If I messed up like they did I'd be out of a job real quick.

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No, you would not. The issue is congestion. This happens to many companies when launching a new website. Governments, Facebook and even Google has had it before. If the employer understands anything about how servers and networks function, they would not fire them just because there was a lot of interest on the first day. It's unlikely there will be that much interest all at once ever again. SE knows that and I doubt they would fire anyone over it.

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More to the point, why is the relationship between us and the devs presented as a personal one when it's actually a business arrangement? There arent supposed to be emotional responses from the businesses side, that's just plain unprofessional.

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MMOs are different. You can't run it purely like a business. Since you are quoting the presentation on MMO design, it also mentioned that you have to run an MMO like a government rather than like a business.

The most successful companies create an emotional relationship with their customers with conventions. You have Apple conventions, Star Trek (or other TV show) conventions, games conventions and they exist for MMOs as well. With an open place where the key people meet their "customers" in person, it becomes a two-way relationship and if everyone at the convention is throwing tomatoes and booing whatever they do, they would probably want to quit.

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All I know is that it isnt our responsibility to cater our responses for the sake of someones emotions we're never gonna meet.

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People do meet them at fanfests so not everyone can say that they will never meet them. They play the game sometimes publicly so you can approach them and send tells, they stream the game and read comments and they let you ask questions on the forums to be answered in live letters.

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There was another mmo a decade ago, where the forums were a constant back and forth between "white knights" and "complainers" and very little feedback was looked upon. That was wow. Now look at wow. Not exactly in a good way is it? I apologise for not wanting to see XIV go the same way

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WoW seemed to go that way, among other reasons, because the developers were attacked whatever they did, so they stopped listening altogether and became defensive. That is what we don't want and to avoid it we need to praise them sometimes and to be polite when we do complain.

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WoW seemed to go that way, among other reasons, because the developers were attacked whatever they did, so they stopped listening altogether and became defensive. That is what we don't want and to avoid it we need to praise them sometimes and to be polite when we do complain.

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i would argue that one of wows biggest problems actually was trying to find "forever content" , they knew they could never produce content faster than people would consume it (something which the ff forums proof pretty much every single day) so they opted for turning the gear grind eternal which made pretty much no one happy.

now i'll admit that ff does have shortcomings with making content last, there are several things i believe could be handled better in that regard, but considering in here you are a "white knight" if you say people are free to state their opinion but should do so in a respectfull tone and at least try to look at the bigger picture (instead of just homing in on what they personally believe to be the most important issue(s) without any regard for the possibility that in the grand scheme of things they might be wrong on that, or that the thing they have issue with indeed is "more important" than something else that gets worked on but would also take 5 times as long to fix) it's no wonder the devs are so silent.

The data traveler system doesn't look a trivial thing to do. But well, I will not discuss with armchair programmers here, who think because they know how to make a Hello World in python thinks they are experts.

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i would argue that one of wows biggest problems actually was trying to find "forever content" , they knew they could never produce content faster than people would consume it (something which the ff forums proof pretty much every single day) so they opted for turning the gear grind eternal which made pretty much no one happy.

now i'll admit that ff does have shortcomings with making content last

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Yoshi-P understands MMOs so he puts mount grinds into content. It feels that you only have to do the content once if you are a casual player, but if you are a completionist the mount farms turn it into forever content. There might be better ways to do it, but making it work for both casual and hardcore players at the same time is an achievement, compared with the WoW approach of making it required even for a casual player.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Small indie company please forgive

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You know, that is the most asinine comment one can make in these forums. It's right up there with "billion dollar company". Neither phrase is meaningful, and the irony was "ironed" out of those phrases years ago.

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Yoshi-P understands MMOs so he puts mount grinds into content. It feels that you only have to do the content once if you are a casual player, but if you are a completionist the mount farms turn it into forever content. There might be better ways to do it, but making it work for both casual and hardcore players at the same time is an achievement, compared with the WoW approach of making it required even for a casual player.

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Let's not forget things like relics and tomestone events, keeping everything relevant.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

If I messed up like they did I'd be out of a job real quick. You act like they dont earn a salary/benefits. Is a complaint not worth twice a complement anymore? More to the point, why is the relationship between us and the devs presented as a personal one when it's actually a business arrangement? There arent supposed to be emotional responses from the businesses side, that's just plain unprofessional. Maybe the stifling work culture in japan means they have thinner skin than us in the west, who knows. All I know is that it isnt our responsibility to cater our responses for the sake of someones emotions we're never gonna meet. They either take the feedback and act on it, or they ignore it and create more feedback. And it seems they routinely choose the latter. The ToS is so heavyhanded, this is a problem they themselves have partially created. I've never seen a fanbase so on edge and passive aggressive, and there's a reason for that. (Hint, it's nothing to do with the fans).

There was another mmo a decade ago, where the forums were a constant back and forth between "white knights" and "complainers" and very little feedback was looked upon. That was wow. Now look at wow. Not exactly in a good way is it? I apologise for not wanting to see XIV go the same way

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Firmly agreed.

I've always found the insistence that people need to treat the development team like they're close friends to be pretty weird. It's not how I go about conducting business with a corporation. A small, independent local business that I frequent weekly and find myself on first name terms with the employees? Sure - but even then, their goal is to make money first and foremost.

Even polite feedback towards FFXIV is brushed aside these days because elements of the community itself treat absolutely any criticism whatsoever as some sort of personal attack.

In reality, some people are just more brash or blunt than others...and if they're not breaching the terms of service then there's no real need for other posters to take it upon themselves to police tone or content of someone else's posts.

Especially since I very rarely see the people doing it towards 'negative' feedback take issue with those who swoop in and start directly insulting anyone providing criticism towards the game as a 'hater' or worse.

It's very likely that we wouldn't even have the missing genders for viera and hrothgar if not for the negative feedback. So there's certainly merit to the idea of applying tactical pressure as a paying customer.

I mean, data center travel is working fine now, right? And the wait times will only lessen as the feature becomes less novel. Frankly, it's impressive that they got it under control in only a day.

Don't try to play MMOs on patch days guys, the Monster Hunter Expansion just came out anyway, there's better stuff to do.

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Way to go completely missing the point, same with everyone liking your comment.
The devs have said multiple times before ( including Yoshi-P himself and Toshio ) that the forums are toxic as hell and needlessly stressful and that they just stop reading comments because of this crap.
If you lot care about actual change then you'd find it within yourselves to drop the needless antagonism towards them for five minutes.
All that you're doing is make the devs ignore and not read threads and your own comments.

It's completely counter-productive and causes actual harm to the game, then the same people sit around whining about how they're not listening.
If you want to give feedback then give feedback without pointless attacks attached to every single comment.

Far too many people treat '' feedback and criticism '' on this forum as just blatant vitriol and venting, and it's actually holding the game back and making it more difficult to communicate with the devs.

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So my question is where should we go to voice are concerns? I mean seriously there are concerns for this game since they relaunched it and nothing really changed .

Whos fault is that we dont have an active gm in our forums anymore remember when we had one back in hw and they stepped down?

At this point this is just getting sad. We have people bring up old post the 2014 or later. People bring up things like lgbtq matters and they have nothing to do with and people always and i mean always falls for it.

were was the sticky at to let people know that make one mega thread for job concerns etcs?

We have been asking for more interesting content for years and nothing was done until now. People always say oh look at the content that we are getting. But its the same bit of content that we get every other patch which is nothing new.

Take in consideration how they started doing one dungeon a patch. remember we had 3 before , then two , now one. Every dungeon is so linear just a different paint job on it.

Job changes every time we make concern about jobs, you know what happens? we get told thats the job is fine or go play something else ( look at drk on how they took a long time to fix LD people legit thought it was fine but tell that a healer that does not know how it does.)

If they want to combat forum to "toxity" then they need to put the money that gain from from 14 and pays someone

Heck got another example for you. Someone made a post about them adding different music for the mounts. Some of the new mounts in game or mog station mounts have the same generic mount music. Want to know what someone posted that got more likes then op. " I to am glad that soken is okay" Do not get me wrong i think everyone is was glad that he was okay , however there are more people on the music team then just him.

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So my question is where should we go to voice are concerns? I mean seriously there are concerns for this game since they relaunched it and nothing really changed .

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Here, just without the toxic attitude present even in your own comment (not this quoted part specifically, but further down). Act like a decent human being respectfully offering suggestion, get treated like one and your ideas taken more seriously. Spend your time actively attacking the dev team, get (rightfully) ignored.

The subject of this very thread acts as if something disastrous and new has just started happening with EW. News flash: patch day issues have occurred with practically every patch in every single MMO for the past 20 years. It's a simple reality that mature people realize and accept. Acting as if the sky is falling and ripping the dev team for it is both completely uncalled for and completely counter-productive.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Here, just without the toxic attitude present even in your own comment (not this quoted part specifically, but further down). Act like a decent human being respectfully offering suggestion, get treated like one and your ideas taken more seriously. Spend your time actively attacking the dev team, get (rightfully) ignored.

The subject of this very thread acts as if something disastrous and new has just started happening with EW. News flash: patch day issues have occurred with practically every patch in every single MMO for the past 20 years. It's a simple reality that mature people realize and accept. Acting as if the sky is falling and ripping the dev team for it is both completely uncalled for and completely counter-productive.

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It's not like they didn't do anything. The demand was higher than their capacity to meet it, so they suspended it and slowly rolled it back out over the course of a day so that they wouldn't be hit with an absurd amount of demand all over again.

Really, if I'm Yoshi-P, I'd be pretty happy to tell my bosses, "yeah, this feature we added was very popular and we had some problems for the first 24 hours, but they're under control now."

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

It's not like they didn't do anything. The demand was higher than their capacity to meet it, so they suspended it and slowly rolled it back out over the course of a day so that they wouldn't be hit with an absurd amount of demand all over again.

Really, if I'm Yoshi-P, I'd be pretty happy to tell my bosses, "yeah, this feature we added was very popular and we had some problems for the first 24 hours, but they're under control now."

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If I got a day's paid vacation for every time I told someone not to waste their vacation days on an MMO's launch, expansion launch, or patch day, at this point I'd never have to work again.