Harassment to Asmongold on his 1st day stream is an Embarassment to FF Community

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Probably because a huge number of FFXIV zealots scream across the internet about how awesome they are with the ardent fervor of the most extreme religious fundamentalists.

Even though the rest of us know it's no different than any other MMO.

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... where is this huge number? Or is it a % of a % like every other MMO just as you said?

Lot of people in here trying to say to "embrace the bad part of the community" or that "the bad part is the entire community" but like, it's best to completely shun the bad parts of the community so that the bad parts aren't there anymore. Like, if someone's transphobic, racist, pedophilic, or anything else like that, I'd hope we'd all agree that they don't belong, right? You don't just "accept that they're there, because there'll always be people like that". You just oust them! Get rid of them! They are not welcome in a welcoming community!

And because there are people who are calling people gatekeepers over this: y'all touch some grass, you can't be tolerant of intolerant beliefs like racism and transphobia.

Toxicity? In muh GCBTW? Say it ain't so!!

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

Lot of people in here trying to say to "embrace the bad part of the community" or that "the bad part is the entire community" but like, it's best to completely shun the bad parts of the community so that the bad parts aren't there anymore. Like, if someone's transphobic, racist, pedophilic, or anything else like that, I'd hope we'd all agree that they don't belong, right? You don't just "accept that they're there, because there'll always be people like that". You just oust them! Get rid of them! They are not welcome in a welcoming community!

And because there are people who are calling people gatekeepers over this: y'all touch some grass, you can't be tolerant of intolerant beliefs like racism and transphobia.

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If someone displays any of the isms in the game make sure to report them definitely. However it is not your place to be the arbiter of who is and isn't acceptable to be a part of the community, and I will report any person who griefs others in their misguided attempts to appoint themselves spokesperson and gatekeeper FOR our community. You are not either of those things.

The most funny part about it is tho that this stuff is mostly and always a NA thing. Cause it's litterally your culture to be trolls, memelords, karens and chads. On EU or JP you don't see such stuff going down. But then over here our shout chats in hubs are rarely used instead of being a kuponutshow 24/7. So no, it's not an embarassment for the "community", it's literally that what infested NA since the dawn of time, trolls and memelords. I know it's hardto imagine that there is a place where strangers don't shout their unfiltered thoughts into the public abyss.

And i know that might be a wild theory but there were probably hundreds if not thousands of asmongold fans who started the game with him as new characters, they are also searching for mobs to kill. Needs really much mental gymnastics to think that Asmongold could just kill freely mobs if these terrible terrible XIV vets wouldn't harass him the whole time when there are thousands of new players doing the same, he literally summoned new expansion release day with his presence. It's no wonder he can't get kills.

I think the issue that most people have with "toxic positivity" - or whatever it's called now - and the people that propagate it is that the same people who condemn a whole community (WoW) as hyper elitist and toxic from a select few interactions and anecdotal evidence they had (with most likely a single digit amount of people) while handwaving the very same issues others have experienced in XIV as "just a few bad actors" away, and that those are not how the community is
why the hypocrisy? I never played WoW myself and thus never experienced it myself, but I've also had never heard anything overly bad about it, which I actually had about XIV - by people that played both games
just seems like how someone would talk about their ex, honestly

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

I don't see how a sprout who isn't even doing the MSQ themselves could block someone who is from doing it to that extent, however I can definitely see high level players one shotting his quest mobs or people who made alts with mogstation mounts stand on his quest objectives.

Having a sprout doesn't mean much (I have it on several characters...) and the ordeal absolutely does reflect on the XIV community.

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Having a sprout means a lot because it means they are new characters. The names of those characters proved they are new characters and you could see the names because they were spamming friend invites.

A sprout can block others by reaching the area limit of 300 instead of going about their day doing their own things where their quest is, so that others cannot enter the area. They could very easily not crowd the area waiting because their quests direct them out of the city pretty quick.

There were no mounts to begin with, because he hadn't even left the city, and couldn't even leave the tutorial area.

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Originally Posted by Rae88

If someone displays any of the isms in the game make sure to report them definitely. However it is not your place to be the arbiter of who is and isn't acceptable to be a part of the community, and I will report any person who griefs others in their misguided attempts to appoint themselves spokesperson and gatekeeper FOR our community. You are not either of those things.

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So... Are you saying that racism is an acceptable part of the community? Cause you're causing a little confusion here. You agree that these things should be reported, but... then also try to say that we can't say that people aren't allowed if they're very clearly perpetrators of these things. Am I understanding right?

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

So... Are you saying that racism is an acceptable part of the community? Cause you're causing a little confusion here. You agree that these things should be reported, but... then also try to say that we can't say that people aren't allowed if they're very clearly perpetrators of these things. Am I understanding right?

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Provide a link to where Asmongold has ever been racist.

Asmon's chat is a problem, but Asmon himself has very rarely crossed one of the isms.

You know what, I can't take the guilt anymore. It's time I come clean, and tell you all the truth...

[Tears off mask]

It was me, all along! I am the FFXIV Community! I killed Asmongold, and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

You know what, I can't take the guilt anymore. It's time I come clean, and tell you all the truth...

[Tears off mask]

It was me, all along! I am the FFXIV Community! I killed Asmongold, and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

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I knew it!

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Originally Posted by Rae88

Provide a link to where Asmongold has ever been racist.

Asmon's chat is a problem, but Asmon himself has very rarely crossed one of the isms.

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Not conflating the two, that's on you. And you've avoided the question.

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

Not conflating the two, that's on you. And you've avoided the question.

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Ah, couldn't find one I see. That's fair enough, considering Asmon has recently spoken out about racism on twitch.

To answer your question your strawman is incorrect that is definitely not what I said. I said you will not be the person to decide who's behaviour is or isn't acceptable to be part of the community. That is, and never will be your place. Your ignorance on the history of the person your crusading against is a dangerous example and I will not have that as part of my community.

If you believe he has been racist report him and the GMs will make a decision. That is their place and their responsibility, not yours.

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Originally Posted by Rae88

Ah, couldn't find one I see. That's fair enough, considering Asmon has recently spoken out about racism on twitch.

To answer your question your strawman is incorrect that is definitely not what I said. I said you will not be the person to decide who's behaviour is or isn't acceptable to be part of the community. That is, and never will be your place. Your ignorance on the history of the person your crusading against is a dangerous example and I will not have that as part of my community.

If you believe he has been racist report him and the GMs will make a decision. That is their place and their responsibility, not yours.

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You do realize conversations aren't contests, right? I'm not conflating the two. It was a general statement. Such behaviors do not belong regardless of who commits them.

You can repeat yourself but that doesn't do much to clarify, which is the point of presenting how I understood what you're saying. Your latter sentence does a bit, but it kind of seems to imply as well that not only are you preaching the understandable "innocent until proven guilty", but it feels as though you feel "innocent until proven guilty in this area". Like, I'll be hyperbolic here and say that if a recent president were to begin playing, he shouldn't even be given a chance given his prior proven behaviors. Is that not agreeable? I could have sworn that was conveyed in my very first post, but I seem to have angered you somehow saying that people should curate their spaces.

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

Like, I'll be hyperbolic here and say that if a recent president were to begin playing, he shouldn't even be given a chance given his prior proven behaviors. Is that not agreeable? I could have sworn that was conveyed in my very first post, but I seem to have angered you somehow saying that people should curate their spaces.

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And once more that is not your decision to make.

Period.

Damn get yourself an apartment you two! I even pay for it!

I think the biggest L was the about 2h late automated GM reply "please give all names areas and stuff"

We know SE is a small indie company that does not currently make a lot of money to hire GM's because we did not have a successful expansion that sold incredibly well or have a huge storm of new players incoming.

SE took the time to post on Twitter they welcome him, but at no point where they prepping it and im not talking about kissing his ass or doing anything weird but at least could they have had someone watch the first half an hour live and react to it.

Yes let the ppl freak out the moment he comes in, but they don't need to cover quest npc's and stalk him for about 8h. Did the players deserve a punishment or warning? F no. But why was it not possible to have a GM do a shout to clear the Area like 1-2h in when it was clear they would continue.

SE is benefiting from this, so they could've at least had a look. Here's hoping the players clam down.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Really hope the GMs do something about the people stalking him

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Originally Posted by Rae88

And once more that is not your decision to make.

Period.

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And so it's yours, to decide that, actually, bad people should be allowed in, because if they haven't been bad to you specifically then they're all good. Understood! And here is where I curate my space.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Asmon has done one favor for us. He shown everyone EXACTLY what this community is.

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No. He showed us what HIS community is like.

Stop and think. There was nothing in game to tell the FFXIV community when he would start playing, what world he would be on or what his character name would be. That information was only available to those who were watching his stream - HIS community. The majority of FFXIV players are ignorant of his existence and most of those who know his name have zero interest in following him around instead of playing the game.

People weren't showing up only after he had been playing for a while. They were there before he was even out of the introductory cutscene. You could see all the friend request messages flashing on his UI. It wasn't just players from Cactuar. Some of those friend requests were coming from offworld players. It would have taken watching HIS stream to know where to go fast enough to get through before first Limsa then Cactuar in general was too congested to allow additional players to enter.

He did an excellent job of demonstrating what HIS community is like. Some of them might already be FFXIV players but they were still doing it because they are part of HIS community.

I'm glad for his sake he made the decision to keep playing off stream so he could learn more about the game via side content and adjust his UI. I also wish for his sake that he makes the smart choice and decides to leave his streaming to WoW and his other normal content while he plays FFXIV off stream. He can still record his game play and post highlights later for his viewers that want to see his reactions to cutscenes, etc.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

I think the biggest L was the about 2h late automated GM reply "please give all names areas and stuff"

We know SE is a small indie company that does not currently make a lot of money to hire GM's because we did not have a successful expansion that sold incredibly well or have a huge storm of new players incoming.

SE took the time to post on Twitter they welcome him, but at no point where they prepping it and im not talking about kissing his ass or doing anything weird but at least could they have had someone watch the first half an hour live and react to it.

Yes let the ppl freak out the moment he comes in, but they don't need to cover quest npc's and stalk him for about 8h. Did the players deserve a punishment or warning? F no. But why was it not possible to have a GM do a shout to clear the Area like 1-2h in when it was clear they would continue.

SE is benefiting from this, so they could've at least had a look. Here's hoping the players clam down.

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I guess you've never been part of staffing a company before.

You don't create additional staff out of thin air. You need time to advertise, review applications/resumes, make hiring decisions then train the new employee on policy/procedure before they can start their job duties. There wasn't enough time for SE to accomplish all that between when Asmongold announced when he would start playing and his actual start.

You need to make certain you have desk space for the new employees at the office (even if the position allows for work from home, they're generally going to have to go through training and a supervised stint in the office first).

Then there's the little matter of this being a weekend. You don't run a full staff on a Saturday or Sunday.

Then there's a bigger matter of this being a holiday weekend. You run an even smaller staff because you want your employees to be able to enjoy part of the holiday with their family and friends.

You definitely don't force your employees to give up their holiday weekends because of a single individual decided to become a customer. You don't give that single individual special attention when your other customers also have needs.

There was no way Asmongold was going to get more than a standard cut and paste response to his ticket on a holiday weekend. It could very well be that there will be several players finding their characters in the gaol when they log in on or after Tuesday because the GMs will have finally had time to investigate but it wasn't going to change what happened yesterday.

It could have been very different if Asmongold had acted as smart as so many claim he is and either played off stream (the smartest thing to do) or picked a day in the middle of the week when there would be a full GM staff on hand to handle the problems he knew were going to happen because they happen every time he does something out of the ordinary and his viewers can show up.

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

And so it's yours, to decide that, actually, bad people should be allowed in, because if they haven't been bad to you specifically then they're all good. Understood! And here is where I curate my space.

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Once again it's the GMs. Not yours. Not mine.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

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Is this why they were all high level? Are we pretending they saw him make a char on Cactuar and then did a small grind to get flashy skills.
If you believe the FFXIV community did not know you believe they have no

-FC
-Access to Novice Network
-Read FFXIV Chat in your favourite FFXIV hang out area (prolly limsa)
-Youtube
-Social Media
-Discord
-Reddit
-Forum
-Internet

Everyone and their mother in the XIV community knew Asmon was coming, and knew the day ... its why he has 30-70k on his WoW Streams and peaked at 220k viewers yesterday on XIV If you pretend we did not know ... i mean do it, but its wrong, you do you.

Also him having 220k viewers and getting over 7k subs for that day, hes gonna be around for a while.

It's true face of FFXIV's community. You are not "the great community". You are as toxic as the rest. If not more.

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Originally Posted by Rae88

Once again it's the GMs. Not yours. Not mine.

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It's players' perogatives for who they play with, who they talk with, and such. There are actions you can take on your own, such as blacklisting, not partying with, not allowing in an FC, and such. And yes, if someone displays horrible behavior, it should be brought up to a GM. I understand as well that GMs can't particularly do much about what happens outside of the game (although there are cases, such as one I remember where someone harassed someone over parses). Which is why you take your own steps that you are not only allowed to but encouraged to take in order to keep your community clean.

It's as simple as: I like FFXIV, but I don't need to follow every single FFXIV topic and read every forum post. It's toxic. I try to read and uplift encouraging and positive stuff; and in this case, my whole original point is to:

1) Not fight over who's more toxic, but to support eachother
2) Recognizing actual toxic behavior and making it clear that it's not welcome here
3) Recognizing that if someone is not welcoming of someone with a history of toxic behavior, that does not mean they are a gatekeeper

All of these were said by me without reference to The Current Topic Man because they have been coming up in conversations in regards to The Current Topic Man. If Asmon is fine, then he's fine. He's shown prior behavior that's iffy, which is why people are allowed to curate their spaces how they want and are able, and should be able without being harassed for it. If he comes in and has no problematic behavior, nice. Unfortunately, he's bringing in a following that everyone has agreed shows that toxic behavior. They aren't fully his responsibility, but he should do everything to set them straight if he hasn't already. I say this as having followed a few bigger streamers who don't have audiences like this because they have zero tolerance for bigotry.

Does that make sense? Or will you just respond "not your choice it's gm" again, kind of ignoring the whole point?

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

Is this why they were all high level? Are we pretending they saw him make a char on Cactuar and then did a small grind to get flashy skills.
If you believe the FFXIV community did not know you believe they have no

-FC
-Access to Novice Network
-Read FFXIV Chat in your favourite FFXIV hang out area (prolly limsa)
-Youtube
-Social Media
-Discord
-Reddit
-Forum
-Internet

Everyone and their mother in the XIV community knew Asmon was coming, and knew the day ... its why he has 30-70k on his WoW Streams and peaked at 220k viewers yesterday on XIV If you pretend we did not know ... i mean do it, but its wrong, you do you.

Also him having 220k viewers and getting over 7k subs for that day, hes gonna be around for a while.

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IDK, I have most of these things and the only thing I saw was a thread here saying "The Great Asmon is coming!" and I thought "literally who" and moved on with life

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

It's players' perogatives for who they play with, who they talk with, and such. There are actions you can take on your own, such as blacklisting, not partying with, not allowing in an FC, and such. And yes, if someone displays horrible behavior, it should be brought up to a GM. I understand as well that GMs can't particularly do much about what happens outside of the game (although there are cases, such as one I remember where someone harassed someone over parses). Which is why you take your own steps that you are not only allowed to but encouraged to take in order to keep your community clean.

It's as simple as: I like FFXIV, but I don't need to follow every single FFXIV topic and read every forum post. It's toxic. I try to read and uplift encouraging and positive stuff; and in this case, my whole original point is to:

1) Not fight over who's more toxic, but to support eachother
2) Recognizing actual toxic behavior and making it clear that it's not welcome here
3) Recognizing that if someone is not welcoming of someone with a history of toxic behavior, that does not mean they are a gatekeeper

All of these were said by me without reference to The Current Topic Man because they have been coming up in conversations in regards to The Current Topic Man. If Asmon is fine, then he's fine. He's shown prior behavior that's iffy, which is why people are allowed to curate their spaces how they want and are able, and should be able without being harassed for it. If he comes in and has no problematic behavior, nice. Unfortunately, he's bringing in a following that everyone has agreed shows that toxic behavior. They aren't fully his responsibility, but he should do everything to set them straight if he hasn't already. I say this as having followed a few bigger streamers who don't have audiences like this because they have zero tolerance for bigotry.

Does that make sense? Or will you just respond "not your choice it's gm" again, kind of ignoring the whole point?

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Oh of course, I completely agree with this :) Blacklist away. Don't allow them to your FC. And etc etc. I draw the line at griefing and running people out of the game because that sort of precedent sets the standard for people to make some pretty stupid decisions. Like ... I don't TRUST people with the responsiblity to decide who and who shouldn't be allowed in. But yeah, definitely, keep an eye on him and definitely his chat. Some of his chat is incredibly bad. Actually Asmon gets on well with some really nice people - Zepla, WorkToGame etc. His chat though is the reason I'll never watch Asmon's streams live. Or anything like that.

And yes that's his responsibility as well and from what I've seen he's trying to clear it up but yeah, Jesus. He needs to do more, and I think people have told him he needs to do more.

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Originally Posted by Cetek14

It's true face of FFXIV's community. You are not "the great community". You are as toxic as the rest. If not more.

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So what would you like to do about it? Got any suggestions for bettering the community or are you just here to push things down more?

I'm glad the actions of a couple of a hundred people are now viewed as an accurate representation of a community far exceeding that number.

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Originally Posted by Cetek14

It's true face of FFXIV's community. You are not "the great community". You are as toxic as the rest. If not more.

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It sure is crazy how every EU & JP player transferred over there as well just to mess with him while he is streaming.

#generalisingsureisfun

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

IDK, I have most of these things and the only thing I saw was a thread here saying "The Great Asmon is coming!" and I thought "literally who" and moved on with life

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In other words, you knew he was coming, which proves the point i made ... and considering every 2nd post is from you on this subject I'm sure you have no opinion on this.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

In other words, you knew he was coming, which proves the point i made ... and considering every 2nd post is from you on this subject I'm sure you have no opinion on this.

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I'm sure you have no opinion either if you're going to make escalations like that.

In the days coming to this, I saw the name, but did not know who he was, what he'd be doing, or why I should care. Then, today, I woke up to the community on fire and saw people I interact with be harassed for expressing that they were uncomfortable with this happening.

That clarify for you? Or will you decide how I feel about things?

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Originally Posted by SarajasLowe

So as like Asmongold i'm a WoW veteran who's been playing nonstop for 2 months now. 501 hours in and i'm in ShB.

or like ZeplaHQ you guys need to break your bubble a bit. Community can't grow otherwise and most of us WoW veterans are 30 year old dudes like me, who aren't interested about drama and just like to play the game and have fun. We're more direct i suppose, but it means we don't do things behind your back or give fake smiles or fake opinions about things.

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seriously... not sure what is wrong here.

I am a WoW refugee myself, in fact, up until a couple months ago I was still paying them money. I have had zero, thats NO bad experiences because of that. a lot of it boils down to the type of person you are, and the type of FC you join. Its not like I keep that a secret, if someone asks me my game experience, I share. people know I played WoW, and yet, I have never been kicked from an FC, nor have people tried to make me leave. if I am in a party, there is no flag that says you played WoW a lot, except maybe how you act.

things are different here in some ways over WoW. but really, you would find the same thing I suspect in every game you go to where there are other people, sometimes you just arent a good fit due to the people you want to be with not liking you, your own actions causing friction or drama or just coming across as a donkey. I am not sure why that is a hard concept to understand. I am not excusing bad treatment, but I AM saying, that sometimes.. ITS YOUR OWN FAULT! we all rub someone else the wrong way. but I guarantee, that if you go from game B to game C, and you are always on about how game B or D or whatever is far better than game C and trashing game C... people are going to notice and treat you differently. thats a fact of life.

I am sorry you had bad experiences, shouldnt happen to anyone. but if its consistent, you have to start asking yourself.. is it really the "community" or is it you.

Having played both games(wow since almost launch), they both have their bad elements, and their good elements.

In my experience I've had waaaaaay more positive interactions in FF14 than negative.

In my experience, I've had more good than bad interactions in WoW too, though with such a large number of interactions the really bad ones tend to stand out.

It's the 10% rule. 10% of any community are going to be loud and bad and awful, right?

When you've had, what, 100 million accounts made that's 10 million people. That's a LOT of people. So that 10% tends to be more obvious.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I absolutely stand corrected and apologise...you are in fact correct. Mind you the fact the ending was gated behind a damned mythic was..idiotic. it was story content that didnt need to be tied behind a mythic level dungeon ( for my FF 14 brethren thats like tying MSQ behind a mandatory Savage fight ).

Why they did I could never understand..oh of course, their metrics. Make content compulsory and they can point and say how popular it is.
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I quit in BFA as I was..well..more or less disgusted at the potential they tossed off in favour of that idiotic faction war.

BTW does anyone remember anything about a humungous sword stuck in the earth in Silithus? Blizzard did.

its still there. Forgotten. Thrown away, like the Order Halls, the Broken Isles, the massive haul of character storylines and background they made in Legion. I sat there and my only thought was "We just had an epic expac with a TON of potential........and this...this...this PATHETIC GARBAGE is what they come up with?"

UGH.

NO.

Bye Blizzard.

Hello Eorzea.

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Took me a long time before I could finish that Jaina story, yeah.

I pretty much quit right after 8.1, came back in time to kill n'zoth once, hung around to get to 60 in SL, picked my covenant, felt super depressed and logged out. Haven't logged in since.

Meanwhile, FF14 was... a journey. Was actually here at 2.0 launch on this character, quit around level...18 or so, came back around HW launch, got to 32, quit, came back just prior to ShB launch and this time it stuck lol

Don't regret it and my god after doing this story line do I fully understand how bad wow is at storytelling. When we went back for Shadowlands it now feels a bit like going back to that abusive ex to give them one more chance lol

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

I'm sure you have no opinion either if you're going to make escalations like that.

In the days coming to this, I saw the name, but did not know who he was, what he'd be doing, or why I should care. Then, today, I woke up to the community on fire and saw people I interact with be harassed for expressing that they were uncomfortable with this happening.

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The community is not on fire, its all the ppl in their bubbles who got a wakeup call. I played XI for 12 years and XIV for 7 years and XIV has become a church ... and the preaching that comes from it needs to end, why cant we embrace that we have our own toxic parts and realise that's bloody normal.

XIV is not toxic free, was never and will never be. The screechers all came out their holes at once when Asmon showed up, he was the tool we needed to see all the rot in the community. Everyone says "oh he brought the bad guys", yet don't see we had those players with us for so long before.

The amount of proper Endgame mounts that were on the stream constantly did clearly show it was ffxiv veterans. There are so many posts on social media crying about it saying gross things and you know what? They get shut down ... we finally have a chance to find all the snowflakes.

The Toxic bubble XIV created and hid behind their backs is bursting now ...

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

That clarify for you? Or will you decide how I feel about things?

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Go have a nap, this is a forum ... if you think you need to clarify stuff about how you feel in a thread about a person who decided play FFXIV. The world does not revolve about you, have a snickers.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

I think the biggest L was the about 2h late automated GM reply "please give all names areas and stuff"

We know SE is a small indie company that does not currently make a lot of money to hire GM's because we did not have a successful expansion that sold incredibly well or have a huge storm of new players incoming.

SE took the time to post on Twitter they welcome him, but at no point where they prepping it and im not talking about kissing his ass or doing anything weird but at least could they have had someone watch the first half an hour live and react to it.

Yes let the ppl freak out the moment he comes in, but they don't need to cover quest npc's and stalk him for about 8h. Did the players deserve a punishment or warning? F no. But why was it not possible to have a GM do a shout to clear the Area like 1-2h in when it was clear they would continue.

SE is benefiting from this, so they could've at least had a look. Here's hoping the players clam down.

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This is a good point. lets say, oh, BTS was saying they were going to go to... New York to play. New York says great, have fun hope to see you here.

BTS then doesnt bother to let them know when they are showing up, doesnt make any venue arrangements and just decide one day to show up? Is the expectation that New York is to maintain staffing and security etc for an indeterminate period of time to make sure everything goes smoothly? how long is a reasonable expectation to keep these procedures in place without any confirmation.

perhaps it would have been preferable to make an instance with ONLY asmongold in it.. gee... exciting.. and overkill. reality is, some will be rabid fans, some will be jerks, some will be people that just want to be seen on a stream. pretty sure he is used to it by now. SE could have watched but what then? teleported people away? sure, except if you watched his stream, could just find him again. it would be kind of like that BTS example, if the police arrested every person crowding around to see them and tossed them in jail.

its entirely possible that he is chuffed about the number of weebs that showed up

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Originally Posted by hobostew

You're kind of assuming his people in his fan base don't play both games. Don't they always do stuff like this to troll him in every game? I doubt it has anything to do with getting him to quit lol

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Given the hostility about the idea of him playing the game here and on reddit, I think it safe to say it was players of FF community, but trolling from his own community is possible but not soley them, imo.

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Originally Posted by Eisi

What is the reason that the ToS could not be enforced?

Do the ToS in edge cases effectively not apply / only theoretically apply?

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This. I'd say it counts as griefing and should be reported but not easy when there is 50-100+ people grouping on him.

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Originally Posted by Moonsprite

It’s too bad this happened. Hopefully our own FFXIV streamers and content providers will condemn this behavior. If they speak out against trolling this guy maybe it will stop a lot of people from harassing him.

I don’t understand why people are so afraid of WoW players. Having new players, more subs, more money means more content for us. I’ve said before the WoW community isn’t more toxic than FFXIV. WoW just doesn’t enforce its policies like FFXIV. Ffxiv players, in general, are afraid of getting banned or suspended, WoW players aren’t. The new WoW players will adjust and it won’t be any different than now.

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Zepla been pretty clear about this shit isn't acceptable. I never cared much for her, she make some funny puns sometimes but I gotten more respect for her after seeing her stance on this whole Asmongold play FF14 situation.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Asmon has done one favor for us. He shown everyone EXACTLY what this community is.

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Sadly not surprised. "FF14 is such a nice community!" not after today.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

95% of the "community" doesn't play on Cactuar.
95% of the players on Cactuar did nothing.
So save the drama.

I played an Undead Warrior on Tich for 10 years.
I know exactly what the WoW community is.
FFXIV community is a billion times better.
There's no comparison.

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Isn't your comparison the same thing, Tich is a server I assume in this case?
I also disagree that FF community is a billion times better. It's not, it just as toxic but not as much in the open.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I think this is it, though I hope it is not because this is weapons grade ironic:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYs2pLyr/mf6-Wu-EF-d.webp

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"Far left" well that says it all :')

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Funny how this work: when something bad happen in that other game is the whole community doing it, when something similar happen here is just a few and they don't represent the majority.

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That my friend is called two faced and hypocrisy

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

IDK, I have most of these things and the only thing I saw was a thread here saying "The Great Asmon is coming!" and I thought "literally who" and moved on with life

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X to doubt

This game has "22,000,000 adventurers" or characters. It usually has about 1 million subscribers (which goes lower or higher depending on the month). Trying to say that less than 300 people (the area capacity) represent that many people is silly. Of course 300 people out of 1 million, or 300 people out of 22 million, would behave this way.

That metric is pretty misleading. We don't have 22M active users/characters which is what matters.

Mostly bad takes in this thread from people who for some reason have a hard on for hating absolutely any minor issue in the game. I've read people in here who say we have a toxic community because people report for minor things, having a complete meltdown and demanding people be reported - for a minor thing.

Dude expected this to happen. He wasn't fazed by it. It happens in ever game he plays constantly. That's celebrity for you.

He certainly wasn't being harassed. People were excited. Some people in this thread need to get their brains checked out having a complete meltdown over "how awful our community is". Besides the fact it was 95% sprouts with stupid names, it wasn't the FFXIV community stream sniping. It was his community. Yes there is some crossover. Get a grip.

It's quite obvious the FF14 community has its bad apples. About as many as WoW tbh, I've had an equal number of bad and positive experiences with other players in both games, ff14's bad experiences just tend to be more passive aggressive and bottled up while WoW is open about it. In both games the number of decent players far outweighed the rude ones though. Nasty players are just more noticeable.

It's not that ff14 has a bad community, it's nice overall, but we do have our share of toxic individuals. There's no point in pretending we don't. Comments like "he shouldn't have streamed if he didn't want harassment" or "it's just his fans, can't be us" are part of the problem. It's a clear case of harassment, every individual taking part should be banned. If the GM's don't have the manpower, that's all the more worrying and means you can break the rules if you just form a large enough group.