The whale mount is up on Mogstation

Why do they not sell everything at $1 each item?


I mean, they boast about 14 million players etc.


So why do you need to charge $30 for 1 item.


Because we don't spend enough money on your other items? Why?

I hate shows of greed, and I have too chosen not to touch the cash shop ever again, as entertaining as the whale might be. However, I know how too many people will jump and buy new things as soon as new things come out, because restraint just isn't there. Any notion I might towards a boycott or people being more responsible with their money might as well be me talking to a cliff side.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

Because people can't stop themselves. Just because WoW's derpy playerbase allowed Blizzard to get away with it, doesn't make it alright here.

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Except WoW's player base doesn't have to deal with a cash shop of this magnitude. Have they dangled some cash grabs in front of players' faces? Yes, the most recent was a boat mount which you could get by buying 3 months worth of sub time up front (with the promise of making the mount obtainable through their store later on for their standard prices). They also add exclusive items for their various games to their yearly Blizzcon tickets, virtual and physical. But SE does it way more often, plain and simple, and with such...ridiculousness. This doesn't really fall on Blizzard, and I'm fairly quick to criticize them much like I am with SE. This falls on SE. They're a business, I get it, but...there's a point where they should show some good will toward their customers. And they don't. At times Blizzard might not be a whole lot better, but their cash shop is of reasonable size.

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

I hate shows of greed, and I have too chosen not to touch the cash shop ever again, as entertaining as the whale might be. However, I know how too many people will jump and buy new things as soon as new things come out, because restraint just isn't there. Any notion I might towards a boycott or people being more responsible with their money might as well be me talking to a cliff side.

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It has nothing to do with restraint. If the person has the funds and wants to buy a $30 mount, you have no business to butt your nose into their financial affairs and say otherwise whether you disagree in personally spending that much or not.

It has nothing to do with being more responsible with their money at all until you hear stories of people spending $30 on the mount instead of $30 on a bill, gas, or food. Then, we can argue the idea of fiscal responsibility, but you literally have no reason or say to push your ideals on their personal spending habits if they have extra income to do so that literally harms no one but your own jealously about the issue.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

It has nothing to do with restraint. If the person has the funds and wants to buy a $30 mount, you have no business to butt your nose into their financial affairs and say otherwise whether you disagree in personally spending that much or not.

It has nothing to do with being more responsible with their money at all until you hear stories of people spending $30 on the mount instead of $30 on a bill, gas, or food. Then, we can argue the idea of fiscal responsibility, but you literally have no reason or say to push your ideals on their personal spending habits if they have extra income to do so that literally harms no one but your own jealously about the issue.

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Correct. It's really no one's business telling others how to spend their money.

I disagree. The more of you zero self control day1 buyers there are, the more they'll shove into the shop and the further it will spiral out of control.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

I disagree. The more of you zero self control day1 buyers there are, the more they'll shove into the shop and the further it will spiral out of control.

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That's why they keep doing it. It works. SE would be stupid not to.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

I disagree. The more of you zero self control day1 buyers there are, the more they'll shove into the shop and the further it will spiral out of control.

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I disagree. You jealous whiners who can't afford Mogstation stuff have no evidence that will happen.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

I disagree. The more of you zero self control day1 buyers there are, the more they'll shove into the shop and the further it will spiral out of control.

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Does it harm you if I buy a $20 steak instead of a $10 one? No.

Does it harm you if I spend $40,000 on a new car instead of paying $2,500 for a used one? No.

Does it harm you if I spend $54.99 on an official Dual Shock PS2 controller for nostalgic purposes of playing PS2 era games instead of the $10 "fake" ones that usually break? No.

Get over it that some people spend their own money how they wish to, and that your opinions regarding said issues literally means nothing to them nor does it harm you or the game itself at large.

It's a personal grudge and jealously issue that you have because they bought something that you want but are not willing to buy, nothing more than that.

You probably don't like it when people try to tell you how to spend your own money either, I can't understand why anyone would think they'd have the right to do it towards others.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Correct. It's really no one's business telling others how to spend their money.

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More correctly:

If you want to dictate how the money of other people is spent, take it from them and spend it yourself. We call that "taxation". It's legal, if done by representatives of the common people. Not so much if it's done by the common people directly.

seeing all the whales in rhalgar reach is so meta that it hurts. Honestly a bit over-priced for a 2-seater with generic music. All you had to do SE was put some good music other than the generic flying mount music and I probably would have bought it on a sale but you lost a customer now. I support this game but only when it respects me as customer and not a whale.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

seeing all the whales in rhalgar reach is so meta that it hurts. Honestly a bit over-priced for a 2-seater with generic music. All you had to do SE was put some good music other than the generic flying mount music and I probably would have bought it on a sale but you lost a customer now. I support this game but only when it respects me as customer and not a whale.

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That actually is a good point if it truly only has the generic flight music. I know it was made for the Chinese server and that for some reason the dev's who add their exclusive content make it with wildly varying degrees of quality, but they couldn't even change up the theme a little?

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Originally Posted by Zojha

More correctly:

If you want to dictate how the money of other people is spent, take it from them and spend it yourself. We call that "taxation". It's legal, if done by representatives of the common people. Not so much if it's done by the common people directly.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

It has nothing to do with restraint. If the person has the funds and wants to buy a $30 mount, you have no business to butt your nose into their financial affairs and say otherwise whether you disagree in personally spending that much or not.

It has nothing to do with being more responsible with their money at all until you hear stories of people spending $30 on the mount instead of $30 on a bill, gas, or food. Then, we can argue the idea of fiscal responsibility, but you literally have no reason or say to push your ideals on their personal spending habits if they have extra income to do so that literally harms no one but your own jealously about the issue.

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Way to miss the point of what I said.

You can buy something if you really, really want to buy it, as long as that thing is harmless. In the short run, buying one thing from a cash shop isn't going to do horrible, terrible things by any stretch, assuming you had the money you're right to spend (since it's yours). In the long run, it enables more of such sales to take place on top of the fees we already pay, and also on the back of systems in the game in need of more potential rewards (for example, the achievement certificates, which only have a couple items that weren't previously part of another system that was halted because it grew too big). To top that off, people are jumping on these new items as soon as they come out, because they're new. On the contrary to what you said, despite it somehow missing the point, that does scream "lack of restraint" on your part.

Furthermore, I did not say I want to dictate other peoples' expenditures. What I did say is that, if I were to suggest anything like a boycott or similar action, an action that would be taken up by we the consumers upon agreement with one another, would fall on deaf ears, and thus there would be no agreement, no action taken. The fact that you assume I want to come after your money or habits to keep you from making decisions tells me that you're being more defensive than you really need to be in this conversation. I don't think you intended that to be the case, but your words tell me this regardless.

So, really, I'm not attacking you for your decision to purchase a thing, just like I don't attack people who go out and buy so many packs of cigarettes or insane amounts of beer that doesn't even taste decent. I don't think it's a healthy practice, and I don't like businesses that take advantage of it because they know they can both get away with it and make more money in the process. You, however; you're fine. Don't take my disapproval of the cash shop as an attack on you.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

I disagree. You jealous whiners who can't afford Mogstation stuff have no evidence that will happen.

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Just having the money doesn't mean you have to buy a thing, and not buying a thing doesn't mean you don't have the money.

Those of us who DO have the money but choose not to blow it as soon as new things come out, however, do know this all too well in regards to business models. If a business model fails then it stops unless the owner is a dumbass bound, one day, to run for President that only other idiots would elect. If a business does something slimy and underhanded, but makes a ton of money off of it, then they are more like to keep going (eg., adding blatant cash shops to other fees already in place such as full subscriptions plus additional services, loot boxes to an extreme, etc.) until enough controversy picks up where the law has to step in. Then it becomes a definite problem, obviously. Right now? The cash shop is just greedy and I don't support it.

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Originally Posted by Soraki-Muppe

Speaking as a norwegian.
That is not a mount, that there is DINNER!

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I just saw this and envisioned a bunch of miqo'tes running after the whale with forks and knives.

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

To top that off, people are jumping on these new items as soon as they come out, because they're new. On the contrary to what you said, despite it somehow missing the point, that does scream "lack of restraint" on your part.

So, really, I'm not attacking you for your decision to purchase a thing, just like I don't attack people who go out and buy so many packs of cigarettes or insane amounts of beer that doesn't even taste decent. I don't think it's a healthy practice, and I don't like businesses that take advantage of it because they know they can both get away with it and make more money in the process. You, however; you're fine. Don't take my disapproval of the cash shop as an attack on you.

Just having the money doesn't mean you have to buy a thing, and not buying a thing doesn't mean you don't have the money.

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Ok, I'm curious - Why should people 'show restraint' when it comes to buying a new mount in a game? It's a bloody fluff item, and the cost is inconsequential for most people.

Also...comparing buying an in-game item to feeding one's addiction to cigarettes or alcohol? That's a bit of a stretch. Cigarettes and alcohol have proven negative health effects and can be highly addictive. Buying mounts and costumes generally doesn't threaten one's health. :P

I get it. I'm not a fan of the cash shop in a sub game either. I absolutely agree with you that SE is being greedy. They have gone full steam ahead with the amount of items they put in there as well as how much they charge. So by all means, bring complaints about the actual cash shop itself. However, SE has found a business practice that they're happy with, and I can't imagine it's going to change any time soon. With that said, there is no reason to start busting out the insults to those that actually buy items. This is a bloody game. It's meant to be enjoyed, and that translates into different ways for every single person that plays.

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

Way to miss the point of what I said.

You can buy something if you really, really want to buy it, as long as that thing is harmless. In the short run, buying one thing from a cash shop isn't going to do horrible, terrible things by any stretch, assuming you had the money you're right to spend (since it's yours). In the long run, it enables more of such sales to take place on top of the fees we already pay, and also on the back of systems in the game in need of more potential rewards (for example, the achievement certificates, which only have a couple items that weren't previously part of another system that was halted because it grew too big). To top that off, people are jumping on these new items as soon as they come out, because they're new. On the contrary to what you said, despite it somehow missing the point, that does scream "lack of restraint" on your part.

Furthermore, I did not say I want to dictate other peoples' expenditures. What I did say is that, if I were to suggest anything like a boycott or similar action, an action that would be taken up by we the consumers upon agreement with one another, would fall on deaf ears, and thus there would be no agreement, no action taken. The fact that you assume I want to come after your money or habits to keep you from making decisions tells me that you're being more defensive than you really need to be in this conversation. I don't think you intended that to be the case, but your words tell me this regardless.

So, really, I'm not attacking you for your decision to purchase a thing, just like I don't attack people who go out and buy so many packs of cigarettes or insane amounts of beer that doesn't even taste decent. I don't think it's a healthy practice, and I don't like businesses that take advantage of it because they know they can both get away with it and make more money in the process. You, however; you're fine. Don't take my disapproval of the cash shop as an attack on you.

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I didn't miss the point and I'm not taking it as a direct attack either like you think I am. Everything I've said is technically correct and no matter how you try and spin the idea, it still and factually is, literally none of your business in what others do nor does it harm you personally or impact you in any way whether someone buys the whale mount or does not. Literally, it does not affect you in any way and the only reason it does is because you're the one taking the act of buying it personally.

If a person really wants something and they have the means to buy it on the first day, it does not mean there's a lack of restraint. If that were the case then you'd have to argue that anyone who puts in pre-orders for collector editions have "restraint" problems or those who spend money on 2-day shipping because they couldn't wait the additional extra days for free shipping.

Again, this is a silly thing to disapprove the community of since it's literally no one's business what someone else does with their own money and placing the sole fault and ire into the people who want the whale is incorrect and wrong.

I really like the mount myself, quite a bit bigger than I thought it would be.

If people want to waste their money that's their business. I hate the cash shop so I will never use it. And yes I'm annoyed to see yet another potential in-game incentive/reward aim for people who have no idea what digital goods are really worth. Very on the nose at least this time.

That said, when are we going to get more achievement/longevity rewards? I have tons and tons of points sitting around and nothing to spend them on since the claw mount was released (which hardly made a dent). Another mount- especially a two-seater- would be great to have.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

seeing all the whales in rhalgar reach is so meta that it hurts. Honestly a bit over-priced for a 2-seater with generic music. All you had to do SE was put some good music other than the generic flying mount music and I probably would have bought it on a sale but you lost a customer now. I support this game but only when it respects me as customer and not a whale.

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They're getting a bit cheap with mounts tbh. Typhon mount not having any "Fungah" animation was also a big missed oppertunity and disappointment. Heck, he doesn't even have saddle, they just took the boss model and slapped a mount tag and generic music on it.

Why is this only a two seater? Lazy and half-baked...the theme of Stormblood thus far with the dev team seems to be - reskin, reuse, repurpose.

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

Why is this only a two seater? Lazy and half-baked...the theme of Stormblood thus far with the dev team seems to be - reskin, reuse, repurpose.

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If they allowed more than 2 people to ride it the servers would explode. Or something. It would also no doubt be at least $40-50, if not more and would probably require a monthly sub by itself.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

If people want to waste their money that's their business. I hate the cash shop so I will never use it. And yes I'm annoyed to see yet another potential in-game incentive/reward aim for people with no idea what digital good are really worth. Very on the nose at least this time.

That said, when are we going to get more achievement/longevity rewards? I have tons and tons of points sitting around and nothing to spend them on since the claw mount was released (which hardly made a dent). Another mount- especially a two-seater- would be great to have.

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The thing is, it's not wasting their money to the people who are buying it. Also, buying a $30 mount does not make someone a whale. I was sitting in Rhalgar's reach for awhile earlier, and it seemed that someone made the "whale for whales" comment at least once every five minutes. All I can think is:
https://i.imgur.com/23UBvP2.jpg


But anyway, as I've mentioned above, I'm really not a fan of the cash shop in this game. I'm also not a fan of many things that XIV has to offer, and I've been vocal about that as well. It's taken me quite a long time, but I've come to the realization that this game, and the cash shop, are pretty set in their ways. They're not going to suddenly make a drastic change to the cash shop or the content they deliver just because I'm unhappy about it. So I get to choose if I still find this game (and by extension the cash shop) enjoyable enough to continue spending money on.

When the cash shop was just becoming a thing, I was incredibly vocal about how I thought it was setting a very bad precedent. And I continued to voice that concern for a very long time. However, at this point, I have accepted the fact that SE and XIV are not going to be my ideal game, and they will continue down the path that they're on. I sub now and then when I feel like it, and I buy an item when I feel like it. Perhaps you will count this as a win for SE, and maybe it is. But sadly it's the way games are these days. Cash shops, DLC, etc. It's everywhere. Oh i'll still complain when I feel the need, but I'm not going to beat myself up over buying an item if I feel like it. I also hate killing any sort of animal or insect, but I eat meat all the time. Life is full of weird hypocritical moments.

So yeah, at this point, I'm personally all fine and dandy if people want to insult SE over their cash-grab ways, but I'm not a fan of insulting players for buying things if it makes them happy.


Cheers on going off on a weird tangent. lawl.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Ok, I'm curious - Why should people 'show restraint' when it comes to buying a new mount in a game? It's a bloody fluff item, and the cost is inconsequential for most people.

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The same two reasons restraint is good for a lot of items, both in-game and in real life. It tells the merchants and person(s) developing the item that, in some possibility, the pricetag is too high for what is being offered, even if people could afford it (imagine some major brand or company charging $50-60 on a hammer worth 20-30 tops. It reins in those prices a little. Second, and far more importantly, to prevent budget crisis or buyer's remorse. Either emergencies happen that require your money, or something better comes along that you want but suddenly don't have quite enough spare cash lying around; or maybe you do have enough but you kick yourself because you find yourself not getting anywhere near as much enjoyment out of a thing as what you hoped for. Absolutely this case does not apply to everyone, but budgets are a thing, and so is buyer's remorse. Give a new thing time, and ask yourself first if you really want it, as well make sure you have no problem spending that money. That's not an order but advice.

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Also...comparing buying an in-game item to feeding one's addiction to cigarettes or alcohol? That's a bit of a stretch. Cigarettes and alcohol have proven negative health effects and can be highly addictive. Buying mounts and costumes generally doesn't threaten one's health. :P

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When you look at it that way, yes, you're right. It would be a stretch to compare optional gaming fluff to potentially dangerous substance. However, that wasn't the angle I was going for. I was looking more at companies selling what they will because they can, and people buying into it regardless of how good or bad it is. In the case of optional gaming fluff, it's not dangerous to your health, but a lack of restraint can lead to falling short on cash down the line should you need it for an emergency, or for something you actually do want more than the fluff, because of budgeting (again only potentially). One time doesn't hurt. Then again, when does SE stop at one time with their fluff?

So really, I'm not saying "don't ever" when I bring up restraint. I'm saying "have care, and wait a bit."

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I didn't miss the point and I'm not taking it as a direct attack either like you think I am. Everything I've said is technically correct and no matter how you try and spin the idea, it still and factually is, literally none of your business in what others do nor does it harm you personally or impact you in any way whether someone buys the whale mount or does not. Literally, it does not affect you in any way and the only reason it does is because you're the one taking the act of buying it personally.

If a person really wants something and they have the means to buy it on the first day, it does not mean there's a lack of restraint. If that were the case then you'd have to argue that anyone who puts in pre-orders for collector editions have "restraint" problems or those who spend money on 2-day shipping because they couldn't wait the additional extra days for free shipping.

Again, this is a silly thing to disapprove the community of since it's literally no one's business what someone else does with their own money and placing the sole fault and ire into the people who want the whale is incorrect and wrong.

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Yeah, you're definitely missing the point if you're saying "this is a silly thing to disapprove the community," or think I'm butting into YOUR business making YOUR decision of what to buy. You're being overly defensive when I'm already saying do what you will. My disapproval is with the shop itself, not with you. It would take a lack of business for things to change, but I am not trying to impose upon you that you shouldn't buy. I'm not telling you to stop or otherwise butting into your own choices. On the other hand, you are proving precisely what I said at the end of a previous message, where even bringing up the idea would be the same or worse off compared to just talking to a wall. I brought up my points, said that I'm taking my own action without expecting it of anyone else, and you're sitting there going nuts over it, arguing against me on it as though I was demanding change, when I in no way told you that you have to follow my points or ideas.

So, I'll tell you what. If you don't want other people inside your business or what you do with yourself, then I am going to make one suggestion to you - just one. Don't go after people for sharing an opinion that you don't like. All you're doing is saying that the opinion somehow affects you. If you don't care for my opinion, then pretend that I haven't said a single thing. Pretend that I'm not even here. Then you won't have to keep responding to me with this asinine argument we're having. Because, and I will say this one last time to you: I am not out to change your mind, your habits, or your decisions when it comes to buying from the Magstation, and my own decision not to give SE more of my money has nothing to do with you.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Other MMO's launched with a subscription fee initially but then dropped it in favour of being F2P - but typically made it appealing to subscribe to an optional fee in exchange for advantageous in-game bonuses. I believe ESO does that? I haven't played that since launch, admittedly.

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They're adding more to it soon, but until now, the overall consensus is that the major appealing feature of ESO's optional subscription was a "crafting bag" that holds an infinite amount of crafting materials; a much better deal than FF14's retainers. Not only is it infinite, but if you drop your subscription, you can still take items out (and you can craft from it without having to take them out, too!), a feature that FF14 is clearly lacking.

It's also not necessary. There are only about 150 relevant crafting items in the game. A maxed out inventory holds 200 items, the bank is 240, and you can get another 360 storage for housing. Also, 8 characters for free.

You can also store furniture in any of your 30-40+ houses that they don't take away from you.

Lot's of whales already bought the whale mount xD.

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

Yeah, you're definitely missing the point if you're saying "this is a silly thing to disapprove the community," or think I'm butting into YOUR business making YOUR decision of what to buy. You're being overly defensive when I'm already saying do what you will. My disapproval is with the shop itself, not with you. It would take a lack of business for things to change, but I am not trying to impose upon you that you shouldn't buy. I'm not telling you to stop or otherwise butting into your own choices. On the other hand, you are proving precisely what I said at the end of a previous message, where even bringing up the idea would be the same or worse off compared to just talking to a wall. I brought up my points, said that I'm taking my own action without expecting it of anyone else, and you're sitting there going nuts over it, arguing against me on it as though I was demanding change, when I in no way told you that you have to follow my points or ideas.

So, I'll tell you what. If you don't want other people inside your business or what you do with yourself, then I am going to make one suggestion to you - just one. Don't go after people for sharing an opinion that you don't like. All you're doing is saying that the opinion somehow affects you. If you don't care for my opinion, then pretend that I haven't said a single thing. Pretend that I'm not even here. Then you won't have to keep responding to me with this asinine argument we're having. Because, and I will say this one last time to you: I am not out to change your mind, your habits, or your decisions when it comes to buying from the Magstation, and my own decision not to give SE more of my money has nothing to do with you.

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I never said that you were butting into my business, I never even talked about buying the whale myself. I was speaking in the general context of people buying them. I think you're the one taking everything personal and being hyper defensive here, while also assuming that I'm talking about myself.

If anyone is missing the point, it's you right now. You keep making something general in speaking a personal affair, strawmanning things I never even clarified in the first place that I had done myself in order to make a point. Why? Point me in the direction where I said that you were butting into MY business or that I bought the whale.

Please, if you can show me where I explicitly said that then maybe you'd have a point. Otherwise, this is a lot of hot air and overthinking into things I never even specified in the first place when I was speaking generally.

You seem personally bothered that I told you to stay out of other people's business. Not MY business, but others.

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Don't go after people for sharing an opinion that you don't like. All you're doing is saying that the opinion somehow affects you. If you don't care for my opinion, then pretend that I haven't said a single thing. Pretend that I'm not even here. Then you won't have to keep responding to me with this asinine argument we're having.

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Maybe start taking your own advice if you're not going to read what people write either regarding their own opinions and instead making up your own assumptions of what they were writing for the benefit of your own point.

You literally did not read or at least understand that I was speaking generally in every single one of my posts towards you and that it had nothing to do with myself personally, but your stance against what a bunch of nameless others do with their money.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

They should play this when you mount it.

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I was expecting the Lunar Whale music from IV.

The whale mount is pretty big as I prefer compact mounts but I might consider buying once it goes on sale. I don't see much use for a two-seat mount outside of Eureka so I'm not in a rush to get one.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I didn't miss the point and I'm not taking it as a direct attack either like you think I am. Everything I've said is technically correct and no matter how you try and spin the idea, it still and factually is, literally none of your business in what others do nor does it harm you personally or impact you in any way whether someone buys the whale mount or does not. Literally, it does not affect you in any way and the only reason it does is because you're the one taking the act of buying it personally.

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This is incorrect. As consumers, this is a business practice that has succeeded because people have fallen for it, and has shaped business models worldwide for the worse. It affects us all.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

I was expecting the Lunar Whale music from IV.

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That would have made way too much sense.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

This is incorrect. As consumers, this is a business practice that has succeeded because people have fallen for it, and has shaped business models worldwide for the worse. It affects us all.

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Since it's already bad then SE should bite the bullet and make gil buyable on mogstation. Tired of seeing rmt shouts every time I zone into town. Gil is mostly only useful for vanity items anyway just like the mogstation so I don't see the problem.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

This is incorrect. As consumers, this is a business practice that has succeeded because people have fallen for it, and has shaped business models worldwide for the worse. It affects us all.

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How have people fallen for it? If people have $30 dollars to spend on something and they want to spend it, they'll spend it. They didn't fall for anything unless all of the sudden the price at checkout somehow bumps up to $60.

To fall for something would imply that they've been tricked into buying it which isn't the case since I'm pretty sure anyone buying something from the Mogstation realizes what they're buying and are perfectly okay with buying it for whatever personal reason that they may have.

What people do with their own money doesn't affect you as a consumer. Someone spending $100 in a grocery store on select items that you may think might be too pricey for the brand does not affect you, someone spending $30 on a virtual whale still does not affect you either. It's not your place to judge or butt in.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

How have people fallen for it? If people have $30 dollars to spend on something and they want to spend it, they'll spend it. They didn't fall for anything unless all of the sudden the price at checkout somehow bumps up to $60.

To fall for something would imply that they've been tricked into buying it which isn't the case since I'm pretty sure anyone buying something from the Mogstation realizes what they're buying and are perfectly okay with buying it for whatever personal reason that they may have.

What people do with their own money doesn't affect you as a consumer. Someone spending $100 in a grocery store on select items that you may think might be too pricey for the brand does not affect you, someone spending $30 on a virtual whale still does not affect you either. It's not your place to judge or butt in.

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It's double dipping, and people are falling for it. In the past, a subscription meant that you would gain access to everything the game has to offer. That's not the case anymore, because companies have realized they can get people to double dip.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

How have people fallen for it? If people have $30 dollars to spend on something and they want to spend it, they'll spend it. They didn't fall for anything unless all of the sudden the price at checkout somehow bumps up to $60.

What people do with their own money doesn't affect you as a consumer. Someone spending $100 in a grocery store on select items that you may think might be too pricey for the brand does not affect you, someone spending $30 on a virtual whale still does not affect you either. It's not your place to judge or butt in.

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Thanks for your repeated PSAs but just like you're vociferously defending people we're allowed to wish that scummy tactics like having a F2P style cash shop in a sub MMO didn't work.

People value money differently, obviously- some of us know when we're getting ripped off and don't support the scam, others don't care and just slap the bills down on the counter because they want the shiny. If people want to waste two month's worth of sub on a mount that's on them, but because they keep doing it we keep seeing more crap like paid DLC, cash shops + subs, "season passes", even loot crates and gachas. It makes the game worse to have it compartmentalized and priced just right to entice big spending in small amounts. I miss the days when I could buy a game and have the whole dang thing until an expansion pack came out. Now I have to buy a game and choose between getting jipped for content or jipped out of money. It sucks, and I have people who support those business models to thank for that state of affairs. XIV is just one example of it in the wider scheme of things.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

People value money differently, obviously- some of us know when we're getting ripped off and don't support the scam, others don't care and just slap the bills down on the counter because they want the shiny.

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What scam? You're getting exactly what you're paying for.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

Thanks for your repeated PSAs but just like you're vociferously defending people we're allowed to wish that scummy tactics like having a F2P style cash shop in a sub MMO didn't work.

People value money differently, obviously- some of us know when we're getting ripped off and don't support the scam, others don't care and just slap the bills down on the counter because they want the shiny. If people want to waste two month's worth of sub on a mount that's on them, but because they keep doing it we keep seeing more crap like paid DLC, cash shops + subs, "season passes", even loot crates and gachas. It makes the game worse to have it compartmentalized and priced just right to entice big spending in small amounts. I miss the days when I could buy a game and have the whole dang thing until an expansion pack came out. Now I have to buy a game and choose between getting jipped for content or jipped out of money. It sucks, and I have people who support those business models to thank for that state of affairs. XIV is just one example of it in the wider scheme of things.

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I never said that you couldn't hate on the Cash Shop. But, hating on people for buying something that makes them happy? That just makes you sound incredibly petty and controlling.

You can complain all you want about the Cash Shop, but unfortunately it's never going to go away, so it feels like a lot of hot air being wasted on an issue that SE will never fix merely because you find the idea unfair after how many years of it working.

Again, it's not your place to tell others what makes them happy, so maybe invest all of that time you spend worrying what others are doing and find other things that make yourself happy instead. :P

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Originally Posted by Zephera

What scam? You're getting exactly what you're paying for.

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But what you're paying for has changed. The goal posts have been moved, and people just accept it.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

It's double dipping, and people are falling for it. In the past, a subscription meant that you would gain access to everything the game has to offer. That's not the case anymore, because companies have realized they can get people to double dip.

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No one is falling for it, if people want to spend their money, they'll do it. And guess what? They don't care what you want at all because it's not your money.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

But what you're paying for has changed. The goal posts have been moved, and people just accept it.

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And there's really nothing wrong with it, because if you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. No one has a gun to your head forcing you to fork over the cash for it.